Re: [MBZ] ML tars
Living in FL I found that UV can kill a set of tires in just a few years. Michelins were especially susceptible to this, which I experienced and later had confirmed by a tire guy who used to be a Michelin field rep. My cars are garaged, so it's not an issue, but if you park you car outside here you're likely to need a new set within 4-5 years due to the sidewalls cracking. -D From: Mercedes on behalf of OK Don via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 1:03 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: OK Don Subject: Re: [MBZ] ML tars Do the tires sit outside or in a garage? My 2013 F150 has the original tires, about 30K miles, and they look good. The truck owner's manual says to replace a 7 years regardless of miles/wear. It sits in the garage unless I'm driving it, which is not that often or far. I'm thinking one more year and I'll replace them. On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 9:06 AM G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > My personal hard line date code replacement is 5 years. Regardless of miles > or tread. > After 5 years of age, the compounds start to fail and catastrophic failure > [at speed] is pre-ordained. > It is not a question of "IF" ... but "WHEN" and if "When" happens in > traffic, at 75 MPH... there are not enough bandaids in the med kit to stop > the bleeding that could happen.. > I buy insurance for the car... I buy new tires as insurance for myself. > > On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 5:46 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Ahh, ok that makes sense. I looked that up once and forgot the details > > since. > > > > I looked at some of the other tires in the fleet snd couldn’t find date > > codes. > > > > --FT > > Sent from iFōn > > > > > On Dec 4, 2021, at 7:41 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > > > wrote: > > > > > > IIRC, that is the 24th week of 2014, not that it matters. > > > > > >> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 6:10 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < > > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> So the date code on these Lizetti tires on the ML is 2414 which I > guess > > >> means either 2 or 4 of 2014. That tracks with the guy at the > distributor > > >> telling me they discontinued them 7yr ago. Tires look good though , > > lots of > > >> tread on them, I thought they were nearly new. H. > > >> > > >> I think I’ll get a cheap replacement from El Mercado de Wal for the > one > > >> that seems to be bad then think about a new set when Mr Budget says to > > do > > >> it. > > >> > > >> --FT > > >> Sent from iFōn > > >> ___ > > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > > >> > > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > >> > > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >> > > >> > > > > > > -- > > > OK Don > > > > > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > > > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > > > > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” > > Wernher > > > Von Braun > > > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > > > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > > > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ML tars
Do the tires sit outside or in a garage? My 2013 F150 has the original tires, about 30K miles, and they look good. The truck owner's manual says to replace a 7 years regardless of miles/wear. It sits in the garage unless I'm driving it, which is not that often or far. I'm thinking one more year and I'll replace them. On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 9:06 AM G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > My personal hard line date code replacement is 5 years. Regardless of miles > or tread. > After 5 years of age, the compounds start to fail and catastrophic failure > [at speed] is pre-ordained. > It is not a question of "IF" ... but "WHEN" and if "When" happens in > traffic, at 75 MPH... there are not enough bandaids in the med kit to stop > the bleeding that could happen.. > I buy insurance for the car... I buy new tires as insurance for myself. > > On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 5:46 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Ahh, ok that makes sense. I looked that up once and forgot the details > > since. > > > > I looked at some of the other tires in the fleet snd couldn’t find date > > codes. > > > > --FT > > Sent from iFōn > > > > > On Dec 4, 2021, at 7:41 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > > > wrote: > > > > > > IIRC, that is the 24th week of 2014, not that it matters. > > > > > >> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 6:10 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < > > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> So the date code on these Lizetti tires on the ML is 2414 which I > guess > > >> means either 2 or 4 of 2014. That tracks with the guy at the > distributor > > >> telling me they discontinued them 7yr ago. Tires look good though , > > lots of > > >> tread on them, I thought they were nearly new. H. > > >> > > >> I think I’ll get a cheap replacement from El Mercado de Wal for the > one > > >> that seems to be bad then think about a new set when Mr Budget says to > > do > > >> it. > > >> > > >> --FT > > >> Sent from iFōn > > >> ___ > > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > > >> > > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > >> > > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >> > > >> > > > > > > -- > > > OK Don > > > > > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > > > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > > > > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” > > Wernher > > > Von Braun > > > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > > > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > > > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ML tars
My pickup (‘05 Dodge 2500 SLT 4X4 5.9 Cummins) that I got in trade with my pops has Michelin Defenders (265/70/17) on it, make date 4th week of 2016. The tires have only about 30K miles on them, 16K of which I’ve put on in the last year. They are wearing perfectly. Other that last summer, the tires have been in the midwest all their lives. Based on date alone (not wear), Michelin says on their website that their tires should last 10 years if well maintained. knowing that these tires haven’t lived in Arizona all their life I think I’ll feel comfortable wearing them out before I would want to place them because of date alone. AZBob. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 5, 2021, at 8:27 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes > wrote: > > On 2021-12-05 10:05, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: >> My personal hard line date code replacement is 5 years. Regardless of miles >> or tread. > > My Saturn allegedly had new tires in 2015. > Mixed date codes 20-40 of 2014, so he probably bought them before winter of > 2015, but gave me the impression he'd bought them Spring/Summer. > > Being 7 years old is one reason they're not going back on the car in the > spring. > > I suspect tires sitting outdoors in Arizona go faster than tires which spend > 4 months of the year in a dark garage in Michigan. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ML tars
On 2021-12-05 10:05, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: My personal hard line date code replacement is 5 years. Regardless of miles or tread. My Saturn allegedly had new tires in 2015. Mixed date codes 20-40 of 2014, so he probably bought them before winter of 2015, but gave me the impression he'd bought them Spring/Summer. Being 7 years old is one reason they're not going back on the car in the spring. I suspect tires sitting outdoors in Arizona go faster than tires which spend 4 months of the year in a dark garage in Michigan. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ML tars
My personal hard line date code replacement is 5 years. Regardless of miles or tread. After 5 years of age, the compounds start to fail and catastrophic failure [at speed] is pre-ordained. It is not a question of "IF" ... but "WHEN" and if "When" happens in traffic, at 75 MPH... there are not enough bandaids in the med kit to stop the bleeding that could happen.. I buy insurance for the car... I buy new tires as insurance for myself. On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 5:46 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Ahh, ok that makes sense. I looked that up once and forgot the details > since. > > I looked at some of the other tires in the fleet snd couldn’t find date > codes. > > --FT > Sent from iFōn > > > On Dec 4, 2021, at 7:41 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > IIRC, that is the 24th week of 2014, not that it matters. > > > >> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 6:10 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> So the date code on these Lizetti tires on the ML is 2414 which I guess > >> means either 2 or 4 of 2014. That tracks with the guy at the distributor > >> telling me they discontinued them 7yr ago. Tires look good though , > lots of > >> tread on them, I thought they were nearly new. H. > >> > >> I think I’ll get a cheap replacement from El Mercado de Wal for the one > >> that seems to be bad then think about a new set when Mr Budget says to > do > >> it. > >> > >> --FT > >> Sent from iFōn > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > > > -- > > OK Don > > > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” > Wernher > > Von Braun > > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ML tars
Ahh, ok that makes sense. I looked that up once and forgot the details since. I looked at some of the other tires in the fleet snd couldn’t find date codes. --FT Sent from iFōn > On Dec 4, 2021, at 7:41 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > > IIRC, that is the 24th week of 2014, not that it matters. > >> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 6:10 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> So the date code on these Lizetti tires on the ML is 2414 which I guess >> means either 2 or 4 of 2014. That tracks with the guy at the distributor >> telling me they discontinued them 7yr ago. Tires look good though , lots of >> tread on them, I thought they were nearly new. H. >> >> I think I’ll get a cheap replacement from El Mercado de Wal for the one >> that seems to be bad then think about a new set when Mr Budget says to do >> it. >> >> --FT >> Sent from iFōn >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > -- > OK Don > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher > Von Braun > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ML tars
On 2021-12-04 19:09, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: So the date code on these Lizetti tires on the ML is 2414 which I guess means either 2 or 4 of 2014. 2014, week 24. Or June 2014 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ML tars
IIRC, that is the 24th week of 2014, not that it matters. On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 6:10 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > So the date code on these Lizetti tires on the ML is 2414 which I guess > means either 2 or 4 of 2014. That tracks with the guy at the distributor > telling me they discontinued them 7yr ago. Tires look good though , lots of > tread on them, I thought they were nearly new. H. > > I think I’ll get a cheap replacement from El Mercado de Wal for the one > that seems to be bad then think about a new set when Mr Budget says to do > it. > > --FT > Sent from iFōn > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] ML tars
So the date code on these Lizetti tires on the ML is 2414 which I guess means either 2 or 4 of 2014. That tracks with the guy at the distributor telling me they discontinued them 7yr ago. Tires look good though , lots of tread on them, I thought they were nearly new. H. I think I’ll get a cheap replacement from El Mercado de Wal for the one that seems to be bad then think about a new set when Mr Budget says to do it. --FT Sent from iFōn ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
