Re: [MBZ] N and guns
So, how secure is that gun in the holster? How easy might it be for someone to come up behind you and take the gun from you? That is what would concern me as much as anything. If some nut case takes your gun, you may just be the first one to get shot. RB On 10/09/2014 7:30 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: G Mann via Mercedes wrote: I live in Arizona, where it is both legal and common to carry discrete or openly, no restrictions. It is quite common to meet other shoppers who, like me are armed. No one except the criminals or some back east visitors who are gun phobic worry about it. I shop Krogers [branded as Frys here] often. There have been no robberies and no gang assaults in the parking lot either. Here's a picture of Fry's carry, complete with a $30 Blackhawk Sherpa retention holster, or maybe a $15 knockoff of same. http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/09/dean-weingarten/open-carry-at-kroger-well-frys/ ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] N and guns
Typically the Blackhawk line of holsters have a catch positioned so it can be quickly released if needed by the wearer, but are very awkward for anyone else to be able to reach while also trying to draw the pistol out of the holster. These are the same holsters that uniformed police and military typically use. Your typical nut case wouldn't have a clue, and would almost certainly end up leaving without the gun (but maybe leaking daylight and/or in hand cuffs). On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So, how secure is that gun in the holster? How easy might it be for someone to come up behind you and take the gun from you? That is what would concern me as much as anything. If some nut case takes your gun, you may just be the first one to get shot. RB -- - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] N and guns
The nut case is the guy displaying a gun in public. The criminal is probably smart enough to disarm the nut case. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Typically the Blackhawk line of holsters have a catch positioned so it can be quickly released if needed by the wearer, but are very awkward for anyone else to be able to reach while also trying to draw the pistol out of the holster. These are the same holsters that uniformed police and military typically use. Your typical nut case wouldn't have a clue, and would almost certainly end up leaving without the gun (but maybe leaking daylight and/or in hand cuffs). On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So, how secure is that gun in the holster? How easy might it be for someone to come up behind you and take the gun from you? That is what would concern me as much as anything. If some nut case takes your gun, you may just be the first one to get shot. RB -- - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] N and guns
Speaking only for myself, training first in military, later as a Deputy, weapon retention is primary. It is a multi part process starting with holster selection and then with situational awareness at all times, armed or not. That rigorous training is refreshed often and by acceptance of daily habit. I watch those around me in the current world who are totally absorbed in their ear buds, cell phones, text messages, etc and I see a flashing Victim sign above them. Bottom line, yes it could happen, but it will bear a price to the attacker not worth paying. The primary weapon is covered by a backup. I take the position of retaining the ability to defend myself carefully. Your personal mileage may vary. How is your Mercedes working? Grant... On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So, how secure is that gun in the holster? How easy might it be for someone to come up behind you and take the gun from you? That is what would concern me as much as anything. If some nut case takes your gun, you may just be the first one to get shot. RB On 10/09/2014 7:30 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: G Mann via Mercedes wrote: I live in Arizona, where it is both legal and common to carry discrete or openly, no restrictions. It is quite common to meet other shoppers who, like me are armed. No one except the criminals or some back east visitors who are gun phobic worry about it. I shop Krogers [branded as Frys here] often. There have been no robberies and no gang assaults in the parking lot either. Here's a picture of Fry's carry, complete with a $30 Blackhawk Sherpa retention holster, or maybe a $15 knockoff of same. http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/09/dean-weingarten/ open-carry-at-kroger-well-frys/ ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] N and guns
And that observation is based on what fact? The documented number of times a criminal has attacked when a gun was present with the intended victim? That begs substance please. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The nut case is the guy displaying a gun in public. The criminal is probably smart enough to disarm the nut case. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Typically the Blackhawk line of holsters have a catch positioned so it can be quickly released if needed by the wearer, but are very awkward for anyone else to be able to reach while also trying to draw the pistol out of the holster. These are the same holsters that uniformed police and military typically use. Your typical nut case wouldn't have a clue, and would almost certainly end up leaving without the gun (but maybe leaking daylight and/or in hand cuffs). On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So, how secure is that gun in the holster? How easy might it be for someone to come up behind you and take the gun from you? That is what would concern me as much as anything. If some nut case takes your gun, you may just be the first one to get shot. RB -- - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] N and guns
Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Typically the Blackhawk line of holsters have a catch positioned so it can be quickly released if needed by the wearer, but are very awkward for anyone else to be able to reach while also trying to draw the pistol out of the holster. These are the same holsters that uniformed police and military typically use. And if you have a good belt on, if they try really hard to walk off with your gun, they'll be carrying you too. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] N and guns
G Mann via Mercedes wrote: And that observation is based on what fact? The fact that Andrew is of the privileged Progressive type that gets to make up their facts on the fly, and evil Conservatives aren't allowed to dispute them. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] N and guns
Let's not get personal, please. You don't know me at all. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: G Mann via Mercedes wrote: And that observation is based on what fact? The fact that Andrew is of the privileged Progressive type that gets to make up their facts on the fly, and evil Conservatives aren't allowed to dispute them. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] N and guns
Andrew wrote: Let's not get personal, please. You don't know me at all. Das' Kool!! You keep the mystery about who you are. The rest of us? For the most part, we are open book. Again, Das' Kool!! mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] N and guns
Federal firearms laws are quite strong and the penalties are severe. But some jurisdictions (typically jurisdictions with their own, more restrictive, firearms laws) choose to enforce neither their own laws nor the Federal laws. Just look at the criminal records of those mutts that do get caught. Our local chief of police was frustrated because the District Court docket couldn't begin to accommodate the large number of perps (almost all repeat offenders). Plea bargain became the norm; at least that took some of the perps off the street for a while. Then he started charging them with federal firearms violations. The Federal court dates were soon and proof of the crime was (relatively) easy. As I recall, 19 perps went away for 5-10 years each, that first year after the chief started the new approach. Laws are meaningless if you don't enforce them. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mountain Man via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 7:27 PM To: Andrew Strasfogel; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] N and guns Andrew wrote: Let's not get personal, please. You don't know me at all. Das' Kool!! You keep the mystery about who you are. The rest of us? For the most part, we are open book. Again, Das' Kool!! mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] N and guns
On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 19:50:24 -0400 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Then he started charging them with federal firearms violations. The Federal court dates were soon and proof of the crime was (relatively) easy. As I recall, 19 perps went away for 5-10 years each, that first year after the chief started the new approach. Good for him. Did that get the community's attention? Laws are meaningless if you don't enforce them. How true. Laws are also meaningless if you (like some now in high places) can flaunt them with impunity. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
