Re: [MBZ] New M139 engine

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On June 7, 2019 at 3:53 PM OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hmmm - I was thinking more on the lines of an MGB or Triumph GT6 ---
> The MB engine turn a bit fast for a prop, and the speed reduction gear
> boxes are the greatest source of failure in auto engine installations in
> aircraft. 

Turns out the M133 is an AMG only item. 

The engine in the CLA250 makes:
Torque 258 lb-ft @ 1,250-4,000 rpm

so only about 125hp at 2500rpm. 
3000rpm might get you to 150hp (and that's 150hp at any altitude), but would 
probably require a custom prop.

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Re: [MBZ] New M139 engine

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Hmmm - I was thinking more on the lines of an MGB or Triumph GT6 ---
The MB engine turn a bit fast for a prop, and the speed reduction gear
boxes are the greatest source of failure in auto engine installations in
aircraft. That's also $6k more than the Lycoming I have for it ...

On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 12:13 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I can get you the previous model for $10k with 253 miles on it.
> Might really make that Whitman of yours go.
> https://www.copart.com/lot/36363119
> Mitch.
>
>
> > On June 7, 2019 at 12:12 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Ah, but the POWER! I wonder if you can buy it as a crate engine with the
> > required electronic boxes and harnesses???
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Re: [MBZ] New M139 engine

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I can get you the previous model for $10k with 253 miles on it. 
Might really make that Whitman of yours go. 
https://www.copart.com/lot/36363119
Mitch. 


> On June 7, 2019 at 12:12 PM OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> 
> Ah, but the POWER! I wonder if you can buy it as a crate engine with the
> required electronic boxes and harnesses???

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Re: [MBZ] New M139 engine

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Ah, but the POWER! I wonder if you can buy it as a crate engine with the
required electronic boxes and harnesses???

On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 10:55 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Disposable engine for disposable cars
>
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
>
> > On Jun 7, 2019, at 8:45 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > They claim it's not a downgrade because it makes as much power as the
> old one at 2000.
> > But can you imagine the area under the curve if this one made 400ft-lb
> from 2000 to 5500?
> > I guess it doesn't really matter. If you have an automatic transmission,
> you aren't allowed to go full throttle at 2000rpm, it'll kickdown instead.
> >
> > The part I like is that it has direct injection, but also has port
> injectors for when the direct injectors really shouldn't be asked to push
> that much fuel. This should help clean the intake ports and valves, which
> become a sooty mess from EGR in DI engines.
> >
> > The whole point of DI is it's timed for after the exhaust valve closes
> so none can blow out the exhaust, and the issues with DI are some of the
> raw fuel hits the cylinder wall and ends up in the sump and the fuel
> detergents can't clean the EGR soot off the back of the intake valves
> because the fuel never goes through them.
> >
> >> On June 6, 2019 at 11:26 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I agree.   THat sounds like a downgrade to me.   They musta been
> talking
> >> to the Apple folks. Newer = worse
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Re: [MBZ] New M139 engine

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Disposable engine for disposable cars

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Jun 7, 2019, at 8:45 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> They claim it's not a downgrade because it makes as much power as the old one 
> at 2000.
> But can you imagine the area under the curve if this one made 400ft-lb from 
> 2000 to 5500?
> I guess it doesn't really matter. If you have an automatic transmission, you 
> aren't allowed to go full throttle at 2000rpm, it'll kickdown instead. 
> 
> The part I like is that it has direct injection, but also has port injectors 
> for when the direct injectors really shouldn't be asked to push that much 
> fuel. This should help clean the intake ports and valves, which become a 
> sooty mess from EGR in DI engines. 
> 
> The whole point of DI is it's timed for after the exhaust valve closes so 
> none can blow out the exhaust, and the issues with DI are some of the raw 
> fuel hits the cylinder wall and ends up in the sump and the fuel detergents 
> can't clean the EGR soot off the back of the intake valves because the fuel 
> never goes through them.  
> 
>> On June 6, 2019 at 11:26 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I agree.   THat sounds like a downgrade to me.   They musta been talking 
>> to the Apple folks. Newer = worse
> 
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Re: [MBZ] New M139 engine

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

They claim it's not a downgrade because it makes as much power as the old one 
at 2000.
But can you imagine the area under the curve if this one made 400ft-lb from 
2000 to 5500?
I guess it doesn't really matter. If you have an automatic transmission, you 
aren't allowed to go full throttle at 2000rpm, it'll kickdown instead. 

The part I like is that it has direct injection, but also has port injectors 
for when the direct injectors really shouldn't be asked to push that much fuel. 
This should help clean the intake ports and valves, which become a sooty mess 
from EGR in DI engines. 

The whole point of DI is it's timed for after the exhaust valve closes so none 
can blow out the exhaust, and the issues with DI are some of the raw fuel hits 
the cylinder wall and ends up in the sump and the fuel detergents can't clean 
the EGR soot off the back of the intake valves because the fuel never goes 
through them.  

> On June 6, 2019 at 11:26 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I agree.   THat sounds like a downgrade to me.   They musta been talking 
> to the Apple folks. Newer = worse

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Re: [MBZ] New M139 engine

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I agree.   THat sounds like a downgrade to me.   They musta been talking 
to the Apple folks. Newer = worse


Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote on 6/6/19 8:19 PM:

Rather than giving you access to maximum torque across a broad range starting 
at 2000 rpm, we decided it feels 'sportier' if we make you wait for 5200 rpm to 
receive peak torque.

That's like the CVT manufacturers deciding it 'feels' better if they limit a 
CVT to 7 ratios.

Mitch.




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Re: [MBZ] New M139 engine

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

"Worlds most powerful 4 cyl engine"  is BS too.

OK, this example is not more rated HP, but is bigger, and if you 
consider torque, more powerful.
There are other 4 cyl engines with big HP and torque and displacement. 
The Merkun mantra:  "There is no replacement for DISplacement"


*How big*: 28.3 liters
*How powerful*: 300 horsepower

Yes, there are some cars with larger airplane engines out there, but 
this Fiat is the real deal. According toTeam DAN 
, this is what you need to know:


   Built in the winter of 1910/11 by Fiat to take on the Blitzen Benz,
   it featured a four cylinde 28.3 litre engine (190x250mm). Two of
   these cars were built. Number 1 was purchased by the Russian Prince
   Boris Soukhanov late 1911, but after the Russian revolution it went
   to Australia where it was fitted with a Stutz engine until it was
   crashed in 1924. Number 2 was retained by Fiat, but was scrapped in
   1920, only the engine being kept.
   https://jalopnik.com/the-worlds-ten-largest-engines-509258535


But, a more modern example:
https://www.thedrive.com/sheetmetal/15015/thor-is-a-4-0-liter-four-cylinder-that-can-make-over-1500-hp

AMG may have the most HP in a 4 cyl production car, but that is NOT what 
the hype-sters said.


I am sure there are 4 cyl marine/industrial engines that top 400 HP 
too.   But not at 200HP per liter, but again the AMG hype did not claim 
HP per liter.


OK Don via Mercedes wrote on 6/6/19 7:40 PM:

This is the one you have all been waiting for  ;-)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/enthusiasts/mercedes-amg-unveils-most-powerful-four-cylinder-engine-ever/ar-AACvb4N?li=BBnb4R5



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Re: [MBZ] New M139 engine

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

there is an engine somewhere under there?  coulda fooled me!

OK Don via Mercedes wrote on 6/6/19 7:40 PM:

This is the one you have all been waiting for  ;-)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/enthusiasts/mercedes-amg-unveils-most-powerful-four-cylinder-engine-ever/ar-AACvb4N?li=BBnb4R5




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Re: [MBZ] New M139 engine

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Makes you feel like an F1 driver

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> On Jun 6, 2019, at 9:19 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Rather than giving you access to maximum torque across a broad range starting 
> at 2000 rpm, we decided it feels 'sportier' if we make you wait for 5200 rpm 
> to receive peak torque. 
> 
> That's like the CVT manufacturers deciding it 'feels' better if they limit a 
> CVT to 7 ratios. 
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] New M139 engine

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Rather than giving you access to maximum torque across a broad range starting 
at 2000 rpm, we decided it feels 'sportier' if we make you wait for 5200 rpm to 
receive peak torque. 

That's like the CVT manufacturers deciding it 'feels' better if they limit a 
CVT to 7 ratios. 

Mitch.

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[MBZ] New M139 engine

[OK Don via Mercedes]

This is the one you have all been waiting for  ;-)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/enthusiasts/mercedes-amg-unveils-most-powerful-four-cylinder-engine-ever/ar-AACvb4N?li=BBnb4R5

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for themselves."

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