Re: [MBZ] No cross pollination
By your reasoning, you and the other computer engineers shouldn't be able to diagnose and fix mechanical problems on cars, yet you usually can. If you bought a used hybrid, I don't think it would be long before you were fixing it. Several banks are using Windows to run their ATMs. Probably won't be long before Windows will be running hybrids. (g) Gerry From: Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com Ask a civil engineer to design a rocket engine. He's an engineer after all! :P Walt On Jun 3, 2012 1:46 AM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ...I'm surprised that some of the computer professionals on the list haven't bought a hybrid since they could probably diagnose and fix a highly computerized car. Apples and kumquats. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] No cross pollination
I guess I didn't provide enough evidence of the sarcasm and funniness that I was trying to convey, haha. :) :D :p I'm an EE with ME background and embedded systems experience, so at least on paper I could do some of the work. I'd likely devise my own control circuitry or hijack the existing to do my will... It has been shown that a Prius without the nany-limits on starting torque can do an impressive 0-60 time. And I HATE the BofA ATM machines... The one closest to my house has never had a touch screen calibration or even the dignity of the windows sounds being changed... Walt On Jun 3, 2012 4:03 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: By your reasoning, you and the other computer engineers shouldn't be able to diagnose and fix mechanical problems on cars, yet you usually can. If you bought a used hybrid, I don't think it would be long before you were fixing it. Several banks are using Windows to run their ATMs. Probably won't be long before Windows will be running hybrids. (g) Gerry From: Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com Ask a civil engineer to design a rocket engine. He's an engineer after all! :P Walt On Jun 3, 2012 1:46 AM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ...I'm surprised that some of the computer professionals on the list haven't bought a hybrid since they could probably diagnose and fix a highly computerized car. Apples and kumquats. RLE __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] No cross pollination
Walt Zarnoch wrote: And I HATE the BofA ATM machines... The one closest to my house has never had a touch screen calibration or even the dignity of the windows sounds being changed... I wonder how many folks find the default MS Win sounds to be comforting because they are familiar. Some people reportedly even like elevator music!! **shudder** -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] No cross pollination
Those sounds are the FIRST thing to get turned off when I do a windows install. They make me want to cut speaker wires... Sometimes I even replace them with blank files... Walt On Jun 3, 2012 4:53 AM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Walt Zarnoch wrote: And I HATE the BofA ATM machines... The one closest to my house has never had a touch screen calibration or even the dignity of the windows sounds being changed... I wonder how many folks find the default MS Win sounds to be comforting because they are familiar. Some people reportedly even like elevator music!! **shudder** -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] No cross pollination
On Sun, 3 Jun 2012 04:56:03 -0400 Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: Those sounds are the FIRST thing to get turned off when I do a windows install. They make me want to cut speaker wires... Sometimes I even replace them with blank files... Or make the Windows shutting down sound the Ta-Da to signify you are finally out of Windows. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] No cross pollination
When Suntrust Bank got new type ATMs, I accidentally hit two buttons on the keypad at the same time and the ATM crashed and went blank. In a minute it booted up very slowly with the Windows logo just like a computer. Not a very reassuring thought that your money is being dispensed by a crash prone Windows program. Gerry PS: You had me thinking that you were a CE; probably out setting stakes every day. There seems to be a lot of DIY Prius info on the net. From: Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com I guess I didn't provide enough evidence of the sarcasm and funniness that I was trying to convey, haha. :) :D :p I'm an EE with ME background and embedded systems experience, so at least on paper I could do some of the work. I'd likely devise my own control circuitry or hijack the existing to do my will... It has been shown that a Prius without the nany-limits on starting torque can do an impressive 0-60 time. And I HATE the BofA ATM machines... The one closest to my house has never had a touch screen calibration or even the dignity of the windows sounds being changed... Walt On Jun 3, 2012 4:03 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: By your reasoning, you and the other computer engineers shouldn't be able to diagnose and fix mechanical problems on cars, yet you usually can. If you bought a used hybrid, I don't think it would be long before you were fixing it. Several banks are using Windows to run their ATMs. Probably won't be long before Windows will be running hybrids. (g) Gerry From: Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com Ask a civil engineer to design a rocket engine. He's an engineer after all! :P Walt On Jun 3, 2012 1:46 AM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ...I'm surprised that some of the computer professionals on the list haven't bought a hybrid since they could probably diagnose and fix a highly computerized car. Apples and kumquats. RLE __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2425/5041 - Release Date: 06/02/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] No cross pollination
Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com writes: Probably won't be long before Windows will be running hybrids. (g) Ha. ATMs don't have the ability to kill you when the OS goes out to lunch. OSes like Windows or Linux are wholly inappropriate for something like critical real-time control of mechanical systems with life and property at stake. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] No cross pollination
Microsoft has/had an automotive version of windows. I saw it on a timeline of windows versions. Walt On Jun 3, 2012 12:07 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com writes: Probably won't be long before Windows will be running hybrids. (g) Ha. ATMs don't have the ability to kill you when the OS goes out to lunch. OSes like Windows or Linux are wholly inappropriate for something like critical real-time control of mechanical systems with life and property at stake. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] No cross pollination
Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com writes: Microsoft has/had an automotive version of windows. I saw it on a timeline of windows versions. I would think (hope) that would be for in-car entertainment, navigation, etc. maybe climate control, not control of the actual mechanical devices related to going, stopping, and steering. The system Ford uses for voice command control of the radio, etc. I believe is made by Microsoft. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] No cross pollination
Many ford vehicles are powered by microsoft Sent from my iPhone On Jun 3, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: Microsoft has/had an automotive version of windows. I saw it on a timeline of windows versions. Walt On Jun 3, 2012 12:07 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com writes: Probably won't be long before Windows will be running hybrids. (g) Ha. ATMs don't have the ability to kill you when the OS goes out to lunch. OSes like Windows or Linux are wholly inappropriate for something like critical real-time control of mechanical systems with life and property at stake. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] No cross pollination
Funny that the Microsoft splash screen doesn't show up on the Ford units unless you have to spank the system (i.e. pull a fuse for a cold reboot). Many a rental car I had to reset due to slow performance of the Sync system -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 1:44 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] No cross pollination Many ford vehicles are powered by microsoft Sent from my iPhone On Jun 3, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: Microsoft has/had an automotive version of windows. I saw it on a timeline of windows versions. Walt On Jun 3, 2012 12:07 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com writes: Probably won't be long before Windows will be running hybrids. (g) Ha. ATMs don't have the ability to kill you when the OS goes out to lunch. OSes like Windows or Linux are wholly inappropriate for something like critical real-time control of mechanical systems with life and property at stake. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] No cross pollination
Microsoft Sync. Its for the info-tainment center in the car. I had a rental with it once, a Hyundai Elantra which was a fun little car BTW. I kid you not that at one point the son-of-a crashed, I'm cruising down the highway and all of a sudden the car won't make a sound, won't play the radio, nuthin. I slipped the shifter into neutral, shut off the engine careful not to turn the key back so far as to lock the steering, restarted and it was good again. It was a good system other than that one blip. -Curt Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 12:19:41 -0400 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] No cross pollination Message-ID: m1ipf8nzaa@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com writes: Microsoft has/had an automotive version of windows. I saw it on a timeline of windows versions. I would think (hope) that would be for in-car entertainment, navigation, etc. maybe climate control, not control of the actual mechanical devices related to going, stopping, and steering. The system Ford uses for voice command control of the radio, etc. I believe is made by Microsoft. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] No cross pollination
On Jun 3, 2012 12:07 PM, Allan Streib streib str...@cs.indiana.edu@str...@cs.indiana.edu cs.indiana.edu str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Gerry Archer archer75 arche...@embarqmail.com@arche...@embarqmail.com embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com writes: Probably won't be long before Windows will be running hybrids. (g) Ha. ATMs don't have the ability to kill you when the OS goes out to lunch. OSes like Windows or Linux are wholly inappropriate for something like critical real-time control of mechanical systems with life and property at stake. A single retransmitted data packet in a high-speed trading environment can result in the loss of hundreds of thousands of dollars. Cisco has a whole division set up to test latency, loss, etc. in those guys' networks. Not an auto accident, sure, but suicide if the network hiccups. And that doesn't even account for the networks running traffic signals and hospital services. I have seen too many buggy one-off embedded systems to believe that a bespoke solution will be more reliable than something based on a commercial system, be it wince or Linux or vxworks. There are just too many opportunities for data corruption and colliding interrupts once you have several processors going at once, and in real OSs at least you have the chance of handling those issues gracefully. Best, Tim Has more computers in the new van than in the old hybrid ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] No cross pollination
On Jun 3, 2012 10:21 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: Or make the Windows shutting down sound the Ta-Da to signify you are finally out of Windows. Or reverse the startup/shutdown sounds. That works best on shared computers. Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So that's what happened to my Facebook million$. --R On 6/3/12 2:51 PM, Tim C wrote: A single retransmitted data packet in a high-speed trading environment can result in the loss of hundreds of thousands of dollars. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] No cross pollination
Curt Raymond wrote: I'm cruising down the highway and all of a sudden the car won't make a sound, won't play the radio, nuthin. I slipped the shifter into neutral, shut off the engine careful not to turn the key back so far as to lock the steering, restarted and it was good again. I did that with my E320 once when the cruise control refused to engage. Result: rolling down the road after restart the transmission refuses to engage because I was doing 50mph when I turned the key back on. So I pulled over and stopped, planted my foot firmly on the kickdown switch, turned the key on for 15 seconds, turned the key off, kept the go pedal in kickdown for two more minutes, then got off the throttle and restarted. All was good after that, including the cruise control. Never had another glitch in the cruise since then either. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] No cross pollination
Walt wrote: Ask a civil engineer to design a rocket engine. He's an engineer after all! :P My boss 30 years ago graduated Aerospace (ND), then PhD CivilEngg (SoCal) - he coulda done it. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Tim C wrote: I have seen too many buggy one-off embedded systems to believe that a bespoke solution will be more reliable than something based on a commercial system, be it wince or Linux or vxworks. How does this relate to online bill payment bank account (Jamie Dimon bank)? I enjoy bill pay from behind linux firewall network at home, not writing checks, but I can go back to pen, checks, postage if bill pay is funky/dangerous. Please tell us it ain't so. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com writes: How does this relate to online bill payment bank account (Jamie Dimon bank)? I enjoy bill pay from behind linux firewall network at home, not writing checks, but I can go back to pen, checks, postage if bill pay is funky/dangerous. Please tell us it ain't so. Even paper checks are processed electronically now. There's little if any safety advantage to using them. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] No cross pollination
...I'm surprised that some of the computer professionals on the list haven't bought a hybrid since they could probably diagnose and fix a highly computerized car. Apples and kumquats. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] No cross pollination
Ask a civil engineer to design a rocket engine. He's an engineer after all! :P Walt On Jun 3, 2012 1:46 AM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ...I'm surprised that some of the computer professionals on the list haven't bought a hybrid since they could probably diagnose and fix a highly computerized car. Apples and kumquats. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
