Re: [MBZ] OR--leopard borked me
FINALLY!!! I am up and running on the desktop instead of the laptop. That was a huge PIA! Tore the thing apart, removed all drives, and found an old one with panther on it to boot up. Then went to Fry's and got a 320 gig for a clean disk to install onto. One failing is that I only get access to 128meg on it. Now I need an ultra ATA controller so I can repartition to full capacity and transfer files over. clay On 21 Aug 2008, at 10:14, Tyler Backman wrote: Clay, What type of upgrade did you do? A *real* upgrade, or archive and install? In my experience the upgrade almost never works, because it keeps around old drivers and software in the OS that aren't compatible with the new version. Some simple driver such as a network VPN client can keep Leopard from booting. Generally when I do an OS upgrade, I buy a new hard drive and put the old one into an external case as a backup. I do a clean install, and then copy back the applications and user accounts from the command line with cp -a, setting up the permissions by hand with chown/chgrp after making the same accounts with the control panel. I doubt it's a disk space issue, because it won't let you install unless there's enough space. You know it's not a logic board issue if you can still boot from a CD or external firewire drive. Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Aug 20, 2008, at 6:27 PM, clay monroe wrote: Upgraded sawtooth G4 with 1gig ram, dual 120gig drives, 1.4ghz cpu, 10.4.11 updating to leopard. Went fine until it rebooted and then the computer just shuts down. Needed 12 gig for install. Install disk had 25 gig available.Using logged startup, so I see sort of what happens, but before I can read the error, it just shuts down. Maybe 25 lines or so. Any ideas? Lack of disk space? Borked the logic board? HELP clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OR--leopard borked me
I have no ability to get anywhere near full boot up. It shuts down within seconds of restart. was an upgrade install. I should have removed old drive, install new formatted drive and clean install, but am idiot and did not. I think it is failing to get to optimization part at all. Would love to boot into firewire target mode and kill some files to make room. Will reset PRAM and see. Have changed to verbose a while back since I wanted to see what all was happening. It shuts down before I can read the last few lines. clay On Aug 20, 2008, at 6:40 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Most likely the installation is flaky, that's the usual cause. Are you installing over your old system or on a clean partition? I've had trouble with upgrades, and since I have the room, I usually install on a freshly formated partition these days, especially when going from one version to another. You will get the option to copy over all your settings, including users, the name of the computer, etc. This is much better than overwriting an existing system. Also, 25G is too small for installation, even though only 12 G is required. Not enough space will result in very long optimizations, and sometimes a bad install. Try booting off the installation disks and aborting the installation. Open up Disk Utilities and check the hard drive partition you are attempting to install on. Repair disk permissions and repair the disk -- sometimes the permissions get screwed up and it won't start, but will once you fix them. If you don't get the option to repair permissions, you will have to re-install as you don't have a functional OS in place. If it were me (and I didn't have data on that partition I needed), I'd erase it and try again. Better to use a new bigger partition, but if you don't have it you don't have it. Might be a good idea to reset PRAM too, just in case, as sometimes an upgrade causes it to get scrambled and cause the boot to hang. You should also boot in verbose mode to see what's holding you up. Might be a fix the boot drive thing that can take a while on a 25G drive. Peter On Aug 20, 2008, at 8:27 PM, clay monroe wrote: Upgraded sawtooth G4 with 1gig ram, dual 120gig drives, 1.4ghz cpu, 10.4.11 updating to leopard. Went fine until it rebooted and then the computer just shuts down. Needed 12 gig for install. Install disk had 25 gig available.Using logged startup, so I see sort of what happens, but before I can read the error, it just shuts down. Maybe 25 lines or so. Any ideas? Lack of disk space? Borked the logic board? HELP clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OR--leopard borked me
Will reset PRAM and see. Have changed to verbose a while back since I wanted to see what all was happening. It shuts down before I can read the last few lines. Try booting to single-user mode. Of course, I forget just how! But the GUI doesn't come up, so maybe it'd get further that way and/or leave enough of a slug trail to give you a clue. Target disk mode works well for that kind of thing. Just the thing for a Pismo... (Our 'new' class of machines, except this one, are all firewire/USB/IDE models, and can thus support each other. This one is a G3 with SCSI/ADB/IDE.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OR--leopard borked me
Clay, What type of upgrade did you do? A *real* upgrade, or archive and install? In my experience the upgrade almost never works, because it keeps around old drivers and software in the OS that aren't compatible with the new version. Some simple driver such as a network VPN client can keep Leopard from booting. Generally when I do an OS upgrade, I buy a new hard drive and put the old one into an external case as a backup. I do a clean install, and then copy back the applications and user accounts from the command line with cp -a, setting up the permissions by hand with chown/chgrp after making the same accounts with the control panel. I doubt it's a disk space issue, because it won't let you install unless there's enough space. You know it's not a logic board issue if you can still boot from a CD or external firewire drive. Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Aug 20, 2008, at 6:27 PM, clay monroe wrote: Upgraded sawtooth G4 with 1gig ram, dual 120gig drives, 1.4ghz cpu, 10.4.11 updating to leopard. Went fine until it rebooted and then the computer just shuts down. Needed 12 gig for install. Install disk had 25 gig available.Using logged startup, so I see sort of what happens, but before I can read the error, it just shuts down. Maybe 25 lines or so. Any ideas? Lack of disk space? Borked the logic board? HELP clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OR--leopard borked me
I got it up in target disk mode and am cleaning files off. Turns out the investment into the iBook was a very good thing for just this sort of idiot move I made. Will be sure now that the bork was to the disk and not the machine itself since it is allowing target disk mode and outputting to the screen so that I can see it working clay On Aug 21, 2008, at 5:17 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: Will reset PRAM and see. Have changed to verbose a while back since I wanted to see what all was happening. It shuts down before I can read the last few lines. Try booting to single-user mode. Of course, I forget just how! But the GUI doesn't come up, so maybe it'd get further that way and/or leave enough of a slug trail to give you a clue. Target disk mode works well for that kind of thing. Just the thing for a Pismo... (Our 'new' class of machines, except this one, are all firewire/USB/IDE models, and can thus support each other. This one is a G3 with SCSI/ADB/IDE.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OR--leopard borked me
Not able to boot from known external source yet. Was able to get it into target disk mode and clean up some files. I should have gotten a fresh disk and done install that way. Caught on the limits of the internal controller so using only 120 gig drives. Will be looking at upgrading to sata controller and getting giant drive, but too cheap to shell out for a card at this point. Thanks for the insight. I am taking all the information I can get and muddling through. clay On Aug 21, 2008, at 10:14 AM, Tyler Backman wrote: Clay, What type of upgrade did you do? A *real* upgrade, or archive and install? In my experience the upgrade almost never works, because it keeps around old drivers and software in the OS that aren't compatible with the new version. Some simple driver such as a network VPN client can keep Leopard from booting. Generally when I do an OS upgrade, I buy a new hard drive and put the old one into an external case as a backup. I do a clean install, and then copy back the applications and user accounts from the command line with cp -a, setting up the permissions by hand with chown/chgrp after making the same accounts with the control panel. I doubt it's a disk space issue, because it won't let you install unless there's enough space. You know it's not a logic board issue if you can still boot from a CD or external firewire drive. Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Aug 20, 2008, at 6:27 PM, clay monroe wrote: Upgraded sawtooth G4 with 1gig ram, dual 120gig drives, 1.4ghz cpu, 10.4.11 updating to leopard. Went fine until it rebooted and then the computer just shuts down. Needed 12 gig for install. Install disk had 25 gig available.Using logged startup, so I see sort of what happens, but before I can read the error, it just shuts down. Maybe 25 lines or so. Any ideas? Lack of disk space? Borked the logic board? HELP clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OR--leopard borked me
Upgraded sawtooth G4 with 1gig ram, dual 120gig drives, 1.4ghz cpu, 10.4.11 updating to leopard. Went fine until it rebooted and then the computer just shuts down. Needed 12 gig for install. Install disk had 25 gig available.Using logged startup, so I see sort of what happens, but before I can read the error, it just shuts down. Maybe 25 lines or so. Any ideas? Lack of disk space? Borked the logic board? HELP clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OR--leopard borked me
Most likely the installation is flaky, that's the usual cause. Are you installing over your old system or on a clean partition? I've had trouble with upgrades, and since I have the room, I usually install on a freshly formated partition these days, especially when going from one version to another. You will get the option to copy over all your settings, including users, the name of the computer, etc. This is much better than overwriting an existing system. Also, 25G is too small for installation, even though only 12 G is required. Not enough space will result in very long optimizations, and sometimes a bad install. Try booting off the installation disks and aborting the installation. Open up Disk Utilities and check the hard drive partition you are attempting to install on. Repair disk permissions and repair the disk -- sometimes the permissions get screwed up and it won't start, but will once you fix them. If you don't get the option to repair permissions, you will have to re-install as you don't have a functional OS in place. If it were me (and I didn't have data on that partition I needed), I'd erase it and try again. Better to use a new bigger partition, but if you don't have it you don't have it. Might be a good idea to reset PRAM too, just in case, as sometimes an upgrade causes it to get scrambled and cause the boot to hang. You should also boot in verbose mode to see what's holding you up. Might be a fix the boot drive thing that can take a while on a 25G drive. Peter On Aug 20, 2008, at 8:27 PM, clay monroe wrote: Upgraded sawtooth G4 with 1gig ram, dual 120gig drives, 1.4ghz cpu, 10.4.11 updating to leopard. Went fine until it rebooted and then the computer just shuts down. Needed 12 gig for install. Install disk had 25 gig available.Using logged startup, so I see sort of what happens, but before I can read the error, it just shuts down. Maybe 25 lines or so. Any ideas? Lack of disk space? Borked the logic board? HELP clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
