[MBZ] OT: Thinset mortar and bricks

2014-02-24 Thread Fmiser
I just did a project where I used about 2lb [1 kg] of thinset
mortar intended for laying tile from a bag of 50 lb [22 kg].

I am also needing to do some tuckpointing on a brick chimney.

So is it okay to use the thinset?

I'm not a mason!

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Thinset mortar and bricks

2014-02-24 Thread Rich Thomas
It does not have a lot of sand in it, or the sand is finer, something. 
It is different from mortar, probably the mix of lime cement and sand.  
I know it is hard to waste a whole bag but the repointing mortar is 
cheap enough and would be the correct stuff. That said, it would 
probably work but how long it would hold up would be the question.


--R

On 2/24/14 1:49 PM, Fmiser wrote:

I just did a project where I used about 2lb [1 kg] of thinset
mortar intended for laying tile from a bag of 50 lb [22 kg].

I am also needing to do some tuckpointing on a brick chimney.

So is it okay to use the thinset?

I'm not a mason!

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Thinset mortar and bricks

2014-02-24 Thread Larry T

Rich,
On a similar note, the restored Williamsburg area has many walkways 
and paths.  They did not want to be forced to constantly restore the 
paths which see a lot of foot traffic every year, or use something that 
was obviously ahead of its time.  They ended up mixing  Portland cement 
with x pounds of cracked, yellow river pebbles.   They use cracked 
because the rocks will lock into adjacent rocks and with the cement, 
recreate a sturdy walkway which only needs to be touched up once a 
year.   The paths look gorgeous also..


Sincerely,
Larry

On 2/24/2014 3:00 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:
It does not have a lot of sand in it, or the sand is finer, something. 
It is different from mortar, probably the mix of lime cement and 
sand.  I know it is hard to waste a whole bag but the repointing 
mortar is cheap enough and would be the correct stuff. That said, it 
would probably work but how long it would hold up would be the question.


--R

On 2/24/14 1:49 PM, Fmiser wrote:

I just did a project where I used about 2lb [1 kg] of thinset
mortar intended for laying tile from a bag of 50 lb [22 kg].

I am also needing to do some tuckpointing on a brick chimney.

So is it okay to use the thinset?

I'm not a mason!

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Thinset mortar and bricks

2014-02-24 Thread dseretakis
I wouldn't.

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 On Feb 24, 2014, at 1:49 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I just did a project where I used about 2lb [1 kg] of thinset
 mortar intended for laying tile from a bag of 50 lb [22 kg].
 
 I am also needing to do some tuckpointing on a brick chimney.
 
 So is it okay to use the thinset?
 
 I'm not a mason!
 
 --   Philip
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Thinset mortar and bricks

2014-02-24 Thread Richard Hattaway
I agree, don't do it.  Regular masonry mortar is a better bet, cause it has 
more sand and such in it, and is designed to fill larger gaps than thinset.  

I guess you could go get some sand and mix it in the thinset to produce a 
masonry mortar of types, but I'd only do that in a real unusual situation ( 
deserted island ) cause masonry mortar is so cheap.  





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dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
I wouldn't.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 24, 2014, at 1:49 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I just did a project where I used about 2lb [1 kg] of thinset
 mortar intended for laying tile from a bag of 50 lb [22 kg].
 
 I am also needing to do some tuckpointing on a brick chimney.
 
 So is it okay to use the thinset?
 
 I'm not a mason!
 
 --   Philip
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Thinset mortar and bricks

2014-02-24 Thread Dieselhead

I just did a project where I used about 2lb [1 kg] of thinset
mortar intended for laying tile from a bag of 50 lb [22 kg].

I am also needing to do some tuckpointing on a brick chimney.

So is it okay to use the thinset?

I'm not a mason!

--   Philip


It depends:

Others have pointed out some of the potential pitfalls.  THinset is 
made with finer sand, and with a very rich mixture of portland cement 
and possibly lime and latex.


Portland cement = compression strength
Hydrated lime= tensile strength
Latex = stronger bond (and increased tensile strength.

So, if you mix 50% sand and 50% thinset, you might be close
or maybe 1/3 sand and 2/3 thinset.  but some ratio will get you a 
good mortar if mortar color does not matter.


If you have a large job and will use more than your bag, you may want 
to keep the thinset for other uses and mix your own mortar for 
tuckpointing.



HOWEVER:  If you are trying to match the original mortar, the thinset 
may be too light in color.


Bagged mortar mix does not contain lime.  It tends to break away from 
the bricks if anything shifts.  (like the next great New Madrid fault 
earthquake)


Liime and Latex both make the mortar lighter in color

Historically, most mortar used before 1900 was sand, lime and horsehair/straw
Early 1900s was cement and lime and sand
Post WWII was mostly portland cement only with sand.
Some good masons still mix their own

I'd laid thousands of bricks, and I always mix my own.

Mortar types:
http://voices.yahoo.com/the-five-types-mortar-which-choose-your-909863.html?cat=6

Tuckpointing historic houses (lime mortar)
http://www.oldhouseweb.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9529

More:  (good stuff)
http://www.contractortalk.com/f48/mortar-mixing-ratio-8293/

I think i threw out my formulas for Type N and type S.  :(

HTH



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