Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Ed Booher]

Yes, OSX *is* UNIX as described by the Open Group, owners of the UNIX
trademark. In fact, Linux is *not* UNIX as it has never been submitted for
certification. Neither is any of the open BSD systems.

OSX 10.5
OSX 10.6
AIX 5L
AIX 6
Solaris 10
HP-UX 11

This is UNIX 03 certified, and capable of using the UNIX trademark in
branding and advertising. Note, OSX 10.7 has not yet been submitted for UNIX
certification, so technically Lion is *not* UNIX either.  :)

EdB

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Redghost  wrote:

> OSx is unix
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[LWB250]

That's not a major issue - I have an iMac G5 that runs Leopard and an Xserve G5 
dual processor with a 5TB Xserve RAID that runs Leopard Server.  Both are very 
functional machines and play quite nice with my machines running Snow Leopard 
(OSX 10.6).  No issues with apps, either.

Dan



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Sent: Friday, September 2, 2011 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

Curt - Another downside of G5 worth pointing out 's is they can't run the
last two OS releases from Apple - they're stuck on Leopard and can't be
upgraded to Snow Leopard or Lion.

Brian




On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> *Sigh* you can't compare referb Macs to NEW PCs, not fair.
>
> A 5 year old Dell Precision laptop will bring nearly as much as a Mac
> though Mac prices are artificially high because of fanboys.
> If you think all Windows machines are crap its almost certainly because
> you've never used a GOOD PC.
>
> The W123 of the computer world right now is the HP xw8200. Super reliable
> and built like a brick outhouse. The comparable (meaning same time frame) G5
> Mac doesn't hardly exist because they had liquid cooling and they've pretty
> much all leaked by now. Some of them caught on fire when they leaked...
>
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Brian Toscano]

Macs may cost more but tend to have higher user satisfaction.  I've been
issued some pretty Windows laptops at work made by Dell and HP but they were
thicker and came with physically massive power supplies that I wouldn't want
to carry around very often.  My most recent work laptop was a HP that had a
fan on the side that would make my coffee warm but would heat up any cold
drinks.  Never had that kind of problem with my MacBook!

Curt - Another downside of G5 worth pointing out 's is they can't run the
last two OS releases from Apple - they're stuck on Leopard and can't be
upgraded to Snow Leopard or Lion.

Brian




On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> *Sigh* you can't compare referb Macs to NEW PCs, not fair.
>
> A 5 year old Dell Precision laptop will bring nearly as much as a Mac
> though Mac prices are artificially high because of fanboys.
> If you think all Windows machines are crap its almost certainly because
> you've never used a GOOD PC.
>
> The W123 of the computer world right now is the HP xw8200. Super reliable
> and built like a brick outhouse. The comparable (meaning same time frame) G5
> Mac doesn't hardly exist because they had liquid cooling and they've pretty
> much all leaked by now. Some of them caught on fire when they leaked...
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 09:01:45 -0500
> From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com>
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
>
> Refurb Macbook air start at $750
> Refurb Macbooks  start at $850
> Refurb Macbook pros start at $899
>
> http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac?mco=OTY2ODY3Nw
>
> Macbook air new starts at $999
> Macbook pro new starts at $1199
>  Mac mini new starts at $599
> imac new starts at $1199
>
> apple.com/store
>
>
> I bought a macbook pro in Feb and it has thunderbolt.  I expect it to
> last a long time.
>
> One thing when comparing Mac machines to "PC" machines is to factor
> in the useful life.  Macs are the 123 300D/300TD of the computer
> world.  Usefull service life is ~ five years as opposed to ~3 years
> for the "PC."
>
> a 5 year old powerbook still brings around $500 used.
>
> >  The cheapest Mac now starts at $1200 you should use that as your guide.
> >
> >-Curt
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Curt Raymond]

*Sigh* you can't compare referb Macs to NEW PCs, not fair.

A 5 year old Dell Precision laptop will bring nearly as much as a Mac though 
Mac prices are artificially high because of fanboys.
If you think all Windows machines are crap its almost certainly because you've 
never used a GOOD PC.

The W123 of the computer world right now is the HP xw8200. Super reliable and 
built like a brick outhouse. The comparable (meaning same time frame) G5 Mac 
doesn't hardly exist because they had liquid cooling and they've pretty much 
all leaked by now. Some of them caught on fire when they leaked...

-Curt

Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 09:01:45 -0500
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
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Refurb Macbook air start at $750
Refurb Macbooks  start at $850
Refurb Macbook pros start at $899

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac?mco=OTY2ODY3Nw

Macbook air new starts at $999
Macbook pro new starts at $1199
  Mac mini new starts at $599
imac new starts at $1199

apple.com/store


I bought a macbook pro in Feb and it has thunderbolt.  I expect it to
last a long time.

One thing when comparing Mac machines to "PC" machines is to factor
in the useful life.  Macs are the 123 300D/300TD of the computer
world.  Usefull service life is ~ five years as opposed to ~3 years
for the "PC."

a 5 year old powerbook still brings around $500 used.

>  The cheapest Mac now starts at $1200 you should use that as your guide.
>
>-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Allan Streib  wrote:
> I thought I heard that they finally did away with resource forks in Lion
> or maybe even Leopard.

Snow Leopard.  The first version without a "Classic Mode" OS 9 virtual machine.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Allan Streib]

On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 11:01 -0500, "Fmiser"  wrote:

> Not really.  Just because I put a OM617 in a Model A doesn't
> make the car a Mercedes.
> 
> In the same way, OSX has some BSD at the core, but there is so
> much "junk" piled on top it hardly counts as *nix anymore.
> Ordinary core *nix tools don't even work fully.  For example,
> "cp" won't copy the resource fork that OSX uses/needs.  At
> least, that was the case last I check.

Mac OSX is really NEXTSTEP, so you're right, the unix utilities don't 
understand some of the old "classic" MacOS oddities like resource forks.

I thought I heard that they finally did away with resource forks in Lion or 
maybe even Leopard.  

I copy files using 'cp' all the time, I find it much easier than using the 
Finder and have NEVER had an issue or complaint about resource forks one way or 
the other.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Dieselhead]

All true, but OSX is not known as mac unix, but rather as Mac OSX or 
OS10.  I was referring to privateers who load other flavors of *nix 
on Mac hardware.




On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 08:09 -0500, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:


 If you are running *nix on a mac platform, then you are left out of
 the industry terminology, so you have to say "*nix running on a mac"
 to describe yourself.


If you are running OSX on a Mac you are running *nix too (of a BSD-ish flavor)

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Fmiser]

> > On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 08:09 -0500, "Dieselhead"
> > <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > If you are running *nix on a mac platform, then you are left
> > out of the industry terminology, so you have to say "*nix
> > running on a mac" to describe yourself.

> Allan Streib wrote:
> 
> If you are running OSX on a Mac you are running *nix too (of a
> BSD-ish flavor)

Not really.  Just because I put a OM617 in a Model A doesn't
make the car a Mercedes.

In the same way, OSX has some BSD at the core, but there is so
much "junk" piled on top it hardly counts as *nix anymore.
Ordinary core *nix tools don't even work fully.  For example,
"cp" won't copy the resource fork that OSX uses/needs.  At
least, that was the case last I check.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Redghost]

OSx is unix

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 2, 2011, at 6:09, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Of course computers made by apple are personal computers.  However the MS/DOS 
> (later wintel) crowd claimed "Personal computer" to mean a MS/DOS machine 
> upon the release of the IBM PC almost 30 years ago.
> 
> Even Apple acquiesced to the terminology in their Mac vs PC ads a few years 
> ago.
> 
> unfortunate, but that is the way it is.  "PC" means "M$" or "M$ or *nix"   
> Mac means any PC running the Mac os.
> 
> If you are running *nix on a mac platform, then you are left out of the 
> industry terminology, so you have to say "*nix running on a mac" to describe 
> yourself.
> 
> Kind of like "is a tomato a fruit or a vegetable?"
> 
>> > LWB250 wrote:
>> 
>>> If you are going to go PC,
>> 
>> Isn't an Apple a PC?  Personal Computer?  Some of the first ones
>> were made by Apple. And Atari, and Commodore, etc.
>> 
>> --Philip
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Allan Streib]

On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 08:09 -0500, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> If you are running *nix on a mac platform, then you are left out of 
> the industry terminology, so you have to say "*nix running on a mac" 
> to describe yourself.

If you are running OSX on a Mac you are running *nix too (of a BSD-ish flavor)

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Walt Zarnoch]

I always say "Apple" "Linux" or "Windows" machine.

Walt
On Sep 2, 2011 9:15 AM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Of course computers made by apple are personal computers. However
> the MS/DOS (later wintel) crowd claimed "Personal computer" to mean a
> MS/DOS machine upon the release of the IBM PC almost 30 years ago.
>
> Even Apple acquiesced to the terminology in their Mac vs PC ads a few
> years ago.
>
> unfortunate, but that is the way it is. "PC" means "M$" or "M$ or
> *nix" Mac means any PC running the Mac os.
>
> If you are running *nix on a mac platform, then you are left out of
> the industry terminology, so you have to say "*nix running on a mac"
> to describe yourself.
>
> Kind of like "is a tomato a fruit or a vegetable?"
>
>> > LWB250 wrote:
>>
>>> If you are going to go PC,
>>
>>Isn't an Apple a PC? Personal Computer? Some of the first ones
>>were made by Apple. And Atari, and Commodore, etc.
>>
>>-- Philip
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Dan Penoff]

If you are looking for refurbs, watch carefully and regularly, as the Apple 
Store inventory changes constantly.

Stuff will show up there and be gone in a matter of minutes sometimes.

Dan

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On Sep 2, 2011, at 10:01 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Refurb Macbook air start at $750
> Refurb Macbooks  start at $850
> Refurb Macbook pros start at $899
> 
> http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac?mco=OTY2ODY3Nw
> 
> Macbook air new starts at $999
> Macbook pro new starts at $1199
> Mac mini new starts at $599
> imac new starts at $1199
> 
> apple.com/store
> 
> 
> I bought a macbook pro in Feb and it has thunderbolt.  I expect it to last a 
> long time.
> 
> One thing when comparing Mac machines to "PC" machines is to factor in the 
> useful life.  Macs are the 123 300D/300TD of the computer world.  Usefull 
> service life is ~ five years as opposed to ~3 years for the "PC."
> 
> a 5 year old powerbook still brings around $500 used.
> 
>> The cheapest Mac now starts at $1200 you should use that as your guide.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Dan Penoff]

I have long been an advocate of Apple's refurbs. My 15" MacBookPro is  a refurb 
that I bought for several hundred (if not more) off the new price.

You can buy a previous generation machine as a refurb and save a substantial 
amount of coin in the process.

Only difference with a refurb from a new is the packaging. A refurb comes in a 
plain cardboard box rather than retail packaging. Other than that, everything 
is exactly the same as a new machine. Same accessories, inserts, cables, etc.

And refurbs are treated as new equipment, so they have the same warranty and 
are eligible for AppleCare as well.

As both my MBP and 20" iMac are only CoreDuo processors, I will probably be 
looking to buy replacements in the next year or so. Those will be refurbs when 
the time comes, too.

MacDan

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 2, 2011, at 9:44 AM, "Gerry Archer"  wrote:

> I paid about $700 for a refurb Macbook by watching the website for a couple 
> of weeks.  It's indistinguishable from a new one.
> I wouldn't want to pay much more than that for a PC since I don't use it in a 
> business or do
> much of anything besides email and searches.
> Right now I'm checking on the web to see which computers besides Compaqs have 
> card
> readers.  The old Compaqs card reader has been great for downloading pictures 
> from the
> camera.
> Thanks,
> Gerry
> '83 300D
> '83 240D
> 
> 
> From: "Curt Raymond" 
>> Did you price a Dell Precision? The 4600 which replaced my 4300 STARTS at 
>> $1700. A $500 laptop is consumer grade, it will not relate quality-wise to 
>> your Mac in any substantial way. The cheapest Mac now starts at $1200 you 
>> should use that as your guide.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 19:44:29 -0400
>> From: "Gerry Archer" 
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
>> Message-ID: 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>   reply-type=response
>> 
>> HP shows an HP ProBook 4530s Notebook PC for $539 which is listed
>> under "small business solutions", and 4 docking stations that range from
>> $85 to $137.  I suppose that laptop would work with any of them.
>> Having an external on-off switch would be an advantage.
>> Thanks,
>> Gerry
>> '83 300D
>> '83 240D
>> 
>> From: "Ed Booher" 
>>> Gerry,
>>> If you are looking for a desktop replacement laptop I also recommend
>>> one of the "professional" level HP laptops. They have an available
>>> option of docking stations that allow you to plug monitor, keyboard,
>>> USB stuff, etc in then drop laptop directly in. Don't even need to
>>> open, dock has power button. From laptop to desktop in less than five
>>> seconds.
>>> 
>>> EdB
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Dieselhead]

Refurb Macbook air start at $750
Refurb Macbooks  start at $850
Refurb Macbook pros start at $899

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac?mco=OTY2ODY3Nw

Macbook air new starts at $999
Macbook pro new starts at $1199
 Mac mini new starts at $599
imac new starts at $1199

apple.com/store


I bought a macbook pro in Feb and it has thunderbolt.  I expect it to 
last a long time.


One thing when comparing Mac machines to "PC" machines is to factor 
in the useful life.  Macs are the 123 300D/300TD of the computer 
world.  Usefull service life is ~ five years as opposed to ~3 years 
for the "PC."


a 5 year old powerbook still brings around $500 used.


 The cheapest Mac now starts at $1200 you should use that as your guide.

-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Gerry Archer]

I paid about $700 for a refurb Macbook by watching the website for a couple 
of weeks.  It's indistinguishable from a new one.
I wouldn't want to pay much more than that for a PC since I don't use it in 
a business or do

much of anything besides email and searches.
Right now I'm checking on the web to see which computers besides Compaqs 
have card
readers.  The old Compaqs card reader has been great for downloading 
pictures from the

camera.
Thanks,
Gerry
'83 300D
'83 240D


From: "Curt Raymond" 
Did you price a Dell Precision? The 4600 which replaced my 4300 STARTS at 
$1700. A $500 laptop is consumer grade, it will not relate quality-wise to 
your Mac in any substantial way. The cheapest Mac now starts at $1200 you 
should use that as your guide.


-Curt

Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 19:44:29 -0400
From: "Gerry Archer" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
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HP shows an HP ProBook 4530s Notebook PC for $539 which is listed
under "small business solutions", and 4 docking stations that range from
$85 to $137.  I suppose that laptop would work with any of them.
Having an external on-off switch would be an advantage.
Thanks,
Gerry
'83 300D
'83 240D

From: "Ed Booher" 

Gerry,
If you are looking for a desktop replacement laptop I also recommend
one of the "professional" level HP laptops. They have an available
option of docking stations that allow you to plug monitor, keyboard,
USB stuff, etc in then drop laptop directly in. Don't even need to
open, dock has power button. From laptop to desktop in less than five
seconds.

EdB



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Curt Raymond]

Did you price a Dell Precision? The 4600 which replaced my 4300 STARTS at 
$1700. A $500 laptop is consumer grade, it will not relate quality-wise to your 
Mac in any substantial way. The cheapest Mac now starts at $1200 you should use 
that as your guide.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 19:44:29 -0400
From: "Gerry Archer" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=response

HP shows an HP ProBook 4530s Notebook PC for $539 which is listed
under "small business solutions", and 4 docking stations that range from
$85 to $137.  I suppose that laptop would work with any of them.
Having an external on-off switch would be an advantage.
Thanks,
Gerry
'83 300D
'83 240D

From: "Ed Booher" 
> Gerry,
> If you are looking for a desktop replacement laptop I also recommend 
> one of the "professional" level HP laptops. They have an available 
> option of docking stations that allow you to plug monitor, keyboard, 
> USB stuff, etc in then drop laptop directly in. Don't even need to 
> open, dock has power button. From laptop to desktop in less than five 
> seconds.
>
> EdB
> 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Dieselhead]

Of course computers made by apple are personal computers.  However 
the MS/DOS (later wintel) crowd claimed "Personal computer" to mean a 
MS/DOS machine upon the release of the IBM PC almost 30 years ago.


Even Apple acquiesced to the terminology in their Mac vs PC ads a few 
years ago.


unfortunate, but that is the way it is.  "PC" means "M$" or "M$ or 
*nix"   Mac means any PC running the Mac os.


If you are running *nix on a mac platform, then you are left out of 
the industry terminology, so you have to say "*nix running on a mac" 
to describe yourself.


Kind of like "is a tomato a fruit or a vegetable?"


 > LWB250 wrote:


 If you are going to go PC,


Isn't an Apple a PC?  Personal Computer?  Some of the first ones
were made by Apple. And Atari, and Commodore, etc.

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Fmiser]

> > > > On 8/31/2011 8:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have several company t60s here, they are beat to hell

> > > On 8/31/2011 11:33 PM, Benz Hogs wrote:
> > >
> > > Do they still run? Bet they were dropped and abused too

> > On 9/1/2011 9:03 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> > 
> > Oh I am sure they have seen plenty of abuse. Yes, they still
> > run.

> Benz Hogs wrote:
>
> Sturdy and robust laptops, they are :)

Nobody has mentions Panasonic Toughbooks yet...
http://www.panasonic.com/business/toughbook/laptop-computers.asp

Certainly not the fastest, but it's hard to find any tougher.
Their semi-rugged are pretty sturdy, but thefully-ruggedized are
nearly indestructible.

Try putting anything but a fully rugged laptop in a rain storm,
for half an hour, running, with the lid open.

I've purchased a couple semi-rugged ones from Bob Johnson's
Computer Stuff.
http://www.bobjohnson.com/

Panasonic isn't the only maker, but there seem to be more of
them so used ones are easier (and cheaper) to find.

http://www.groupmobile.com/dept.asp/dept_id=4/Fully+Rugged+Laptops.html

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Fmiser]

> LWB250 wrote:

> If you are going to go PC,

Isn't an Apple a PC?  Personal Computer?  Some of the first ones
were made by Apple. And Atari, and Commodore, etc.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Gerry Archer]

HP shows an HP ProBook 4530s Notebook PC for $539 which is listed
under "small business solutions", and 4 docking stations that range from
$85 to $137.  I suppose that laptop would work with any of them.
Having an external on-off switch would be an advantage.
Thanks,
Gerry
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From: "Ed Booher" 

Gerry,
If you are looking for a desktop replacement laptop I also recommend  
one of the "professional" level HP laptops. They have an available  
option of docking stations that allow you to plug monitor, keyboard,  
USB stuff, etc in then drop laptop directly in. Don't even need to  
open, dock has power button. From laptop to desktop in less than five  
seconds.


EdB

"Das beste Oder nichts." --Gottlieb Daimler

On Sep 1, 2011, at 1:51, "Gerry Archer"  wrote:


This Compaq is made by HP and it's been reliable up until now.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Craig]

On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 13:08:47 -0400 Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Ed Booher wrote:
> > Don't even need to open, dock has 
> > power button. 
> 
> 
> My pet peeve. Notebooks that you have to open to hit the power button.
> 
> My idea of a desktop replacement computer:
> 
> You have a rack that holds the laptop on edge behind your monitor,
> taking up little desk space.
> You put it in the rack and plug in a power cord, usb hub, and HDMI
> cable. You turn it on by hitting a switch on the outside of the laptop,
> not by lifting it out of the cradle and opening the lid.

As Ed mentioned, my '02 Dell C840 has a docking station and the power-on
button is on the side of that. Plus, using the docking station you can
get 1920x1200 resolution while plugging a monitor in the back is
restricted to 1024x768.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Thats why we only get Lenovo for our reps.  My computer is a R61, have 
been ordering the X100e and now the X120e for the reps.  Great little 
computers for the size.


On 9/1/2011 6:03 PM, Benz Hogs wrote:

Sturdy and robust laptops, they are :)

 Luther   KB5QHUOak Park, IL
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On 9/1/2011 9:03 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

Oh I am sure they have seen plenty of abuse. Yes, they still run.

On 8/31/2011 11:33 PM, Benz Hogs wrote:

Do they still run? Bet they were dropped and abused too

Luther KB5QHU Oak Park, IL
'87 300SDL (312,xxx mi)
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On 8/31/2011 8:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

I have several company t60s here, they are beat to hell

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

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Sturdy and robust laptops, they are :)

 Luther   KB5QHUOak Park, IL
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'91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi)

On 9/1/2011 9:03 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

Oh I am sure they have seen plenty of abuse. Yes, they still run.

On 8/31/2011 11:33 PM, Benz Hogs wrote:

Do they still run? Bet they were dropped and abused too

Luther KB5QHU Oak Park, IL
'87 300SDL (312,xxx mi)
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On 8/31/2011 8:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

I have several company t60s here, they are beat to hell

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Dan Penoff]

There are some aftermarket solutions for Apple notebooks that are configured in 
this manner.

Dan

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On Sep 1, 2011, at 1:08 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Ed Booher wrote:
>> Don't even need to open, dock has power button. 
> 
> 
> My pet peeve. Notebooks that you have to open to hit the power button.
> 
> My idea of a desktop replacement computer:
> 
> You have a rack that holds the laptop on edge behind your monitor, taking up 
> little desk space.
> You put it in the rack and plug in a power cord, usb hub, and HDMI cable.
> You turn it on by hitting a switch on the outside of the laptop, not by 
> lifting it out of the cradle and opening the lid.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Mitch Haley]

Ed Booher wrote:
Don't even need to open, dock has 
power button. 



My pet peeve. Notebooks that you have to open to hit the power button.

My idea of a desktop replacement computer:

You have a rack that holds the laptop on edge behind your monitor, taking up 
little desk space.

You put it in the rack and plug in a power cord, usb hub, and HDMI cable.
You turn it on by hitting a switch on the outside of the laptop, not by lifting 
it out of the cradle and opening the lid.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Ed Booher]

Gerry,

If you are looking for a desktop replacement laptop I also recommend  
one of the "professional" level HP laptops. They have an available  
option of docking stations that allow you to plug monitor, keyboard,  
USB stuff, etc in then drop laptop directly in. Don't even need to  
open, dock has power button. From laptop to desktop in less than five  
seconds.


EdB

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On Sep 1, 2011, at 1:51, "Gerry Archer"  wrote:


This Compaq is made by HP and it's been reliable up until now.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Mitch Haley]

Tim C wrote:

I took apart a Dell Latitude E-class the other day.  One screw =
access to fan, HDD, memory, wireless cards, external plug assembly,
etc.  I am sold, long-term maintainability is my main concern on
laptops since I tend to keep them forever and abuse them a bit. :)


The new high line consumer HPs (dv6, dv7) have a tool free access hatch.
Memory, hard drive, network card, etc are under the hatch. Shove the battery 
latch one way to remove the battery, then shove it the other way to pop the edge 
of the hatch loose. Takes me less than ten minutes to install a 2nd hard drive 
in a dv7, including moving the factory drive to the secondary drive bay.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Tim C]

I took apart a Dell Latitude E-class the other day.  One screw =
access to fan, HDD, memory, wireless cards, external plug assembly,
etc.  I am sold, long-term maintainability is my main concern on
laptops since I tend to keep them forever and abuse them a bit. :)

Dell has consistency problems, seems like a lot of component failures
in the first few months (probably only 1% but I hear about a lot of
them).  That said, once a laptop is working well it seems to work well
for a long time, and the vast majority of our Dells are retired for
performance rather than failure reasons.

Unfortunately I don't know how their end-user support is, all of my
personal Dells - including the refurbs - have worked fine through the
warranty period.

Best,
-Tim
who kept a Thinkpad A20m for five years just to avoid getting issued an HP :)

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:51 AM, Gerry Archer  wrote:
> Dell doesn't show Precision M4300 laptops.  It pulls up M4600 laptops
> instead.
> Gerry
> '83 300D
> '83 240D
>
> From: "Curt Raymond" 
>>
>> I've been spoiled by excellent workstation quality laptops. My work
>> machine has been a laptop since 2003...
>> Currently using a Dell Precision M4300, great machine. The Dell M90 it
>> replaced was also a great machine but I prefer the 15" to the 17" M90.
>> -Curt
>>
>> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 19:45:23 -0400
>> From: "Gerry Archer" 
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Subject: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
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>> Speaking of computer reliability, my Compaq laptop, which has been used as
>> a
>> desktop for five
>> years, is showing signs of age with the occasional BSOD. (The very good
>> Acronis program always
>> restores it).  While replacing the HD is an option, I'd rather get one of
>> the bullet proof models that
>> have been discussed on this list.
>> The new MacBook works great (seven hours of battery time) but I use it off
>> the desk, plugging and unplugging would be a pain, and I'm still learning
>> my
>> way around it with resultant loss of speed.
>>
>> Was it the Lenovo (Thinkpad) that was judged to be the best PC laptop?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Gerry
>> '83 300D
>> '83 240D
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Oh I am sure they have seen plenty of abuse.  Yes, they still run.

On 8/31/2011 11:33 PM, Benz Hogs wrote:

Do they still run?  Bet they were dropped and abused too

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On 8/31/2011 8:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

I have several company t60s here, they are beat to hell

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On Aug 31, 2011, at 7:49 PM, "Luther's 
Benz"  wrote:


My T60 is approaching 4 years old and is still under warranty since 
it came with a 3 year warranty that can be extended. Unless 
Lenovo greatly degrades their quality, I will own ThinkPads for as 
long as I drive a Benz.


Luther


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Jim Cathey]

summer storms.  So far, the laptops haven't been hit like the old 
desktops
were regularly.  Not sure if that's coincidence or that laptops are 
more

resistant.


Transients thrive on antennae.  Laptops, being compact and all
wired together to begin with, have less of 'em.  Also, since the
things are all-in-one they are designed and tested to work together,
which means that they pass government-mandated EMI tests.  And EMI
is the flip side of transient susceptibility, so if you fix one
you're nearly automatically in a better position for the other.

Desktops, being all strung out and filled with crap made by everybody
and his dog, are going to suffer by comparison.  Of course, you _can_
make a desktop computer that is largely immune to transients.  We
used to, you could turn up the ESD machine to the point it was
pitting craters in the paint on our gear and it didn't even blink.

That was awhile ago, those machines could run CP/M, though that's
not what they ran when our customers were using them.  I have no idea
where one might be found now, except for one of the monitors that I
just saw being used as a prop in the arctic ride waiting room at
SeaWorld in San Diego!

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Gerry Archer]

This Compaq is made by HP and it's been reliable up until now.
HPs "are" an option and they cost less than Thinkpads.
Anytime you mention something related to work, I think of my
old high school, Plant, and the difference in then and now.
Plant, Jefferson, Jesuit, and Hillsborough; that was all; and they were
small
schools.
Gerry
'83 300D
'83 240D

From: "LWB250" 
If you are going to go PC, buy s commercial (business) grade HP. We use
thousands of them in the school district and most are pretty bulletproof. I
had an 8540, and it was built like a brick doghouse and never gave me a
moment's trouble.
Dan

From: Gerry Archer 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

Difficult to say since it only happens occasionally and the
test programs show no problems.
Also, it would be nice to have a faster PC with more memory
and a dual cpu; neither of which the Compaq has.
Gerry
'83 300D
'83 240D --
From: "Rich Thomas" 

Hard drive going flaky? or something on the board?
--R

On 8/31/11 7:45 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:

Speaking of computer reliability, my Compaq laptop, which has been used
as a desktop for five
years, is showing signs of age with the occasional BSOD. (The very good
Acronis program always
restores it). While replacing the HD is an option, I'd rather get one of
the bullet proof models that
have been discussed on this list.
The new MacBook works great (seven hours of battery time) but I use it
off the desk, plugging and unplugging would be a pain, and I'm still
learning my way around it with resultant loss of speed.

Was it the Lenovo (Thinkpad) that was judged to be the best PC laptop?

Thanks,
Gerry
'83 300D
'83 240D

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Gerry Archer]

That's a thought!  I'd forgotten about Bootcamp.  I'll probably get around
to
a dual system after becoming more familiar with Apple software, etc.
Over the years I've found that three working computers are almost a
necessity
because of the lightning transients in this area.  I have nearly everything
powered
through Panamax surge protectors which are supposed to be the best, but
nothing seems to stop the transient voltages generated by the almost daily
summer storms.  So far, the laptops haven't been hit like the old desktops
were regularly.  Not sure if that's coincidence or that laptops are more
resistant.
Gerry
'83 300D
'83 240D

From: "Brian Toscano" 

I can understand the support issues.  When I moved from Window to Mac a few
years ago I still needed to run Windows applications so I converted my
work
issued laptop to a virtual machine that I could use with VMWare Fusion.
In
my case I converted a Windows partition (bootcamp) to a virtual machine,
but
VMWare now has software you can install on the Windows machine and it will
create a virtual machine on your Mac.  It even will sync the two, so if
you're writing a document in Word on the Windows machine while VMWare is
creating the image, you'll have the most recent save on your virtual
machine!

Brian


On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Gerry Archer
wrote:


Difficult to say since it only happens occasionally and the
test programs show no problems.
Also, it would be nice to have a faster PC with more memory
and a dual cpu; neither of which the Compaq has.
Gerry
'83 300D
'83 240D  --**
From: "Rich Thomas"

>


Hard drive going flaky?  or something on the board?
--R


On 8/31/11 7:45 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:


Speaking of computer reliability, my Compaq laptop, which has been used
as a desktop for five
years, is showing signs of age with the occasional BSOD. (The very good
Acronis program always
restores it).  While replacing the HD is an option, I'd rather get one
of
the bullet proof models that
have been discussed on this list.
The new MacBook works great (seven hours of battery time) but I use it
off the desk, plugging and unplugging would be a pain, and I'm still
learning my way around it with resultant loss of speed.

Was it the Lenovo (Thinkpad) that was judged to be the best PC laptop?

Thanks,
Gerry
'83 300D
'83 240D

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Gerry Archer]

Dell doesn't show Precision M4300 laptops.  It pulls up M4600 laptops
instead.
Gerry
'83 300D
'83 240D

From: "Curt Raymond" 

I've been spoiled by excellent workstation quality laptops. My work
machine has been a laptop since 2003...
Currently using a Dell Precision M4300, great machine. The Dell M90 it
replaced was also a great machine but I prefer the 15" to the 17" M90.
-Curt

Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 19:45:23 -0400
From: "Gerry Archer" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Subject: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
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Speaking of computer reliability, my Compaq laptop, which has been used as
a
desktop for five
years, is showing signs of age with the occasional BSOD. (The very good
Acronis program always
restores it).  While replacing the HD is an option, I'd rather get one of
the bullet proof models that
have been discussed on this list.
The new MacBook works great (seven hours of battery time) but I use it off
the desk, plugging and unplugging would be a pain, and I'm still learning
my
way around it with resultant loss of speed.

Was it the Lenovo (Thinkpad) that was judged to be the best PC laptop?

Thanks,
Gerry
'83 300D
'83 240D


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Gerry Archer]

That's a thought.  I'll keep that in mind.
Gerry

From: "Redghost" 

Docking station makes hooking it up for desktop use simple
Clay

On Aug 31, 2011, at 18:49, Brian Toscano  wrote:


Why would plugging and unplugging it be a pain?  I've used my MacBook Pro
for almost 4 years for software development and movies, music, etc.  They
are thinner than many Windows laptop making it easy to carry.  The power
supplies are small with long cords or you can change the cord to a
2-blade
connector and the power connection on the laptop side is magnetic so if
you
trip over the cord your laptop doesn't go flying.  Apple also sells an
Airport Express WiFi adapter that is the same size as the power supply.
I
usually carry one of these with me too.  That way if I'm at someone's
house
and they can't remember the password or whatever I'll ask if I can
connect
my wifi to their router.  All of this is vastly more comfortable to carry
than my last work issued Dell or Compaq machines.  The newer Mac's have
Thunderbolt which is basically puts PCI bus on an external cable and one
cable can connect the monitor, any keyboards, mice, hard drives, etc.

Brian


On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Gerry Archer
wrote:


Speaking of computer reliability, my Compaq laptop, which has been used
as
a desktop for five
years, is showing signs of age with the occasional BSOD. (The very good
Acronis program always
restores it).  While replacing the HD is an option, I'd rather get one
of
the bullet proof models that
have been discussed on this list.
The new MacBook works great (seven hours of battery time) but I use it
off
the desk, plugging and unplugging would be a pain, and I'm still
learning my
way around it with resultant loss of speed.

Was it the Lenovo (Thinkpad) that was judged to be the best PC laptop?

Thanks,
Gerry
'83 300D
'83 240D



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Benz Hogs]

Nope, the t60 is post-parallel.

 Luther   KB5QHUOak Park, IL
'87 300SDL (312,xxx mi)
'91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi)

On 8/31/2011 9:04 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:

Do they have parallel ports on the back?

--R

On 8/31/11 9:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

I have several company t60s here, they are beat to hell




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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Benz Hogs]

Do they still run?  Bet they were dropped and abused too

 Luther   KB5QHUOak Park, IL
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On 8/31/2011 8:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

I have several company t60s here, they are beat to hell

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 31, 2011, at 7:49 PM, "Luther's Benz"  wrote:


My T60 is approaching 4 years old and is still under warranty since it came with a 
3 year warranty that can be extended. Unless Lenovo greatly degrades their 
quality, I will own ThinkPads for as long as I drive a Benz.

Luther


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Brian Toscano]

I can understand the support issues.  When I moved from Window to Mac a few
years ago I still needed to run Windows applications so I converted my work
issued laptop to a virtual machine that I could use with VMWare Fusion.  In
my case I converted a Windows partition (bootcamp) to a virtual machine, but
VMWare now has software you can install on the Windows machine and it will
create a virtual machine on your Mac.  It even will sync the two, so if
you're writing a document in Word on the Windows machine while VMWare is
creating the image, you'll have the most recent save on your virtual
machine!

Brian


On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:

> Difficult to say since it only happens occasionally and the
> test programs show no problems.
> Also, it would be nice to have a faster PC with more memory
> and a dual cpu; neither of which the Compaq has.
> Gerry
> '83 300D
> '83 240D  --**
> From: "Rich Thomas" 
> 
> >
>
>> Hard drive going flaky?  or something on the board?
>> --R
>>
>>
>> On 8/31/11 7:45 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:
>>
>>> Speaking of computer reliability, my Compaq laptop, which has been used
>>> as a desktop for five
>>> years, is showing signs of age with the occasional BSOD. (The very good
>>> Acronis program always
>>> restores it).  While replacing the HD is an option, I'd rather get one of
>>> the bullet proof models that
>>> have been discussed on this list.
>>> The new MacBook works great (seven hours of battery time) but I use it
>>> off the desk, plugging and unplugging would be a pain, and I'm still
>>> learning my way around it with resultant loss of speed.
>>>
>>> Was it the Lenovo (Thinkpad) that was judged to be the best PC laptop?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Gerry
>>> '83 300D
>>> '83 240D
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Curt Raymond]

I've been spoiled by excellent workstation quality laptops. My work machine has 
been a laptop since 2003...

Currently using a Dell Precision M4300, great machine. The Dell M90 it replaced 
was also a great machine but I prefer the 15" to the 17" M90.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 19:45:23 -0400
From: "Gerry Archer" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Subject: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
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Speaking of computer reliability, my Compaq laptop, which has been used as a
desktop for five
years, is showing signs of age with the occasional BSOD. (The very good
Acronis program always
restores it).  While replacing the HD is an option, I'd rather get one of
the bullet proof models that
have been discussed on this list.
The new MacBook works great (seven hours of battery time) but I use it off
the desk, plugging and unplugging would be a pain, and I'm still learning my
way around it with resultant loss of speed.

Was it the Lenovo (Thinkpad) that was judged to be the best PC laptop?

Thanks,
Gerry
'83 300D
'83 240D


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[LWB250]

If you are going to go PC, buy s commercial (business) grade HP.  We use 
thousands of them in the school district and most are pretty bulletproof.  I 
had an 8540, and it was built like a brick doghouse and never gave me a 
moment's trouble.

Dan



From: Gerry Archer 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

Difficult to say since it only happens occasionally and the
test programs show no problems.
Also, it would be nice to have a faster PC with more memory
and a dual cpu; neither of which the Compaq has.
Gerry
'83 300D
'83 240D  --
From: "Rich Thomas" 
> Hard drive going flaky?  or something on the board?
> --R
> 
> On 8/31/11 7:45 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:
>> Speaking of computer reliability, my Compaq laptop, which has been used as a 
>> desktop for five
>> years, is showing signs of age with the occasional BSOD. (The very good 
>> Acronis program always
>> restores it).  While replacing the HD is an option, I'd rather get one of 
>> the bullet proof models that
>> have been discussed on this list.
>> The new MacBook works great (seven hours of battery time) but I use it off 
>> the desk, plugging and unplugging would be a pain, and I'm still learning my 
>> way around it with resultant loss of speed.
>> 
>> Was it the Lenovo (Thinkpad) that was judged to be the best PC laptop?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Gerry
>> '83 300D
>> '83 240D
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Gerry Archer]

Difficult to say since it only happens occasionally and the
test programs show no problems.
Also, it would be nice to have a faster PC with more memory
and a dual cpu; neither of which the Compaq has.
Gerry
'83 300D
'83 240D  
--

From: "Rich Thomas" 

Hard drive going flaky?  or something on the board?
--R

On 8/31/11 7:45 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:
Speaking of computer reliability, my Compaq laptop, which has been 
used as a desktop for five
years, is showing signs of age with the occasional BSOD. (The very 
good Acronis program always
restores it).  While replacing the HD is an option, I'd rather get one 
of the bullet proof models that

have been discussed on this list.
The new MacBook works great (seven hours of battery time) but I use it 
off the desk, plugging and unplugging would be a pain, and I'm still 
learning my way around it with resultant loss of speed.


Was it the Lenovo (Thinkpad) that was judged to be the best PC laptop?

Thanks,
Gerry
'83 300D
'83 240D

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Redghost]

Docking station makes hooking it up for desktop use simple

Clay

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 31, 2011, at 18:49, Brian Toscano  wrote:

> Why would plugging and unplugging it be a pain?  I've used my MacBook Pro
> for almost 4 years for software development and movies, music, etc.  They
> are thinner than many Windows laptop making it easy to carry.  The power
> supplies are small with long cords or you can change the cord to a 2-blade
> connector and the power connection on the laptop side is magnetic so if you
> trip over the cord your laptop doesn't go flying.  Apple also sells an
> Airport Express WiFi adapter that is the same size as the power supply.  I
> usually carry one of these with me too.  That way if I'm at someone's house
> and they can't remember the password or whatever I'll ask if I can connect
> my wifi to their router.  All of this is vastly more comfortable to carry
> than my last work issued Dell or Compaq machines.  The newer Mac's have
> Thunderbolt which is basically puts PCI bus on an external cable and one
> cable can connect the monitor, any keyboards, mice, hard drives, etc.
> 
> Brian
> 
> 
> On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:
> 
>> Speaking of computer reliability, my Compaq laptop, which has been used as
>> a desktop for five
>> years, is showing signs of age with the occasional BSOD. (The very good
>> Acronis program always
>> restores it).  While replacing the HD is an option, I'd rather get one of
>> the bullet proof models that
>> have been discussed on this list.
>> The new MacBook works great (seven hours of battery time) but I use it off
>> the desk, plugging and unplugging would be a pain, and I'm still learning my
>> way around it with resultant loss of speed.
>> 
>> Was it the Lenovo (Thinkpad) that was judged to be the best PC laptop?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Gerry
>> '83 300D
>> '83 240D
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Gerry Archer]

The physical layout in the computer area makes changing laptops a pain.
I've used PCs since before windows (for about 16 years) such that they've
become second nature.  I can see that after I've learned the Apple system
as well as I know PC/Windows, I'll like it better since it has many 
advantages

such as being faster and more intuitive than Windows.
Apple, of course, does not have the installed base that Windows has; and 
that
creates problems when trying to solve various glitches that arise.  For 
example,

I installed Snow Leopard and mail had problems.  Isp couldn't help.
Wiped the hd and installed Leopard 10.5xx that came with the Mac which 
helped

but still couldn't receive mail.
After talking to four techs at the isp, the last one finally transferred me 
to someone

who knew Apple and he solved the problem in about five minutes.

In general, I get along well on both the PC and the Mac and I'm even 
beginning to
figure out Linux.  Sort of a hobby after one retires, but a "slow" hobby 
since one

doesn't learn as fast as when one is younger.

I do carry the Macbook when I go out and like its thinness, smaller size, 
and less
weight.  My Macbook has built in wifi which works better than the PC at 
hotspots

such as restaurants and airline terminals.

This Macbook probably doesn't have Thunderbolt since it's 2 years old, but 
it
sounds like it would be considerable advantage for one using it as a 
desktop.


Gerry
'83 300D
'83 240D

From: "Brian Toscano" 

Why would plugging and unplugging it be a pain?  I've used my MacBook Pro
for almost 4 years for software development and movies, music, etc.  They
are thinner than many Windows laptop making it easy to carry.  The power
supplies are small with long cords or you can change the cord to a 2-blade
connector and the power connection on the laptop side is magnetic so if 
you

trip over the cord your laptop doesn't go flying.  Apple also sells an
Airport Express WiFi adapter that is the same size as the power supply.  I
usually carry one of these with me too.  That way if I'm at someone's 
house

and they can't remember the password or whatever I'll ask if I can connect
my wifi to their router.  All of this is vastly more comfortable to carry
than my last work issued Dell or Compaq machines.  The newer Mac's have
Thunderbolt which is basically puts PCI bus on an external cable and one
cable can connect the monitor, any keyboards, mice, hard drives, etc.

Brian


On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Gerry Archer 
wrote:


Speaking of computer reliability, my Compaq laptop, which has been used 
as

a desktop for five
years, is showing signs of age with the occasional BSOD. (The very good
Acronis program always
restores it).  While replacing the HD is an option, I'd rather get one of
the bullet proof models that
have been discussed on this list.
The new MacBook works great (seven hours of battery time) but I use it 
off
the desk, plugging and unplugging would be a pain, and I'm still learning 
my

way around it with resultant loss of speed.

Was it the Lenovo (Thinkpad) that was judged to be the best PC laptop?

Thanks,
Gerry
'83 300D
'83 240D

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Rich Thomas]

Do they have parallel ports on the back?

--R

On 8/31/11 9:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Rich Thomas]

Hard drive going flaky?  or something on the board?

--R

On 8/31/11 7:45 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:
Speaking of computer reliability, my Compaq laptop, which has been 
used as a desktop for five
years, is showing signs of age with the occasional BSOD. (The very 
good Acronis program always
restores it).  While replacing the HD is an option, I'd rather get one 
of the bullet proof models that

have been discussed on this list.
The new MacBook works great (seven hours of battery time) but I use it 
off the desk, plugging and unplugging would be a pain, and I'm still 
learning my way around it with resultant loss of speed.


Was it the Lenovo (Thinkpad) that was judged to be the best PC laptop?

Thanks,
Gerry
'83 300D
'83 240D

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Brian Toscano]

Why would plugging and unplugging it be a pain?  I've used my MacBook Pro
for almost 4 years for software development and movies, music, etc.  They
are thinner than many Windows laptop making it easy to carry.  The power
supplies are small with long cords or you can change the cord to a 2-blade
connector and the power connection on the laptop side is magnetic so if you
trip over the cord your laptop doesn't go flying.  Apple also sells an
Airport Express WiFi adapter that is the same size as the power supply.  I
usually carry one of these with me too.  That way if I'm at someone's house
and they can't remember the password or whatever I'll ask if I can connect
my wifi to their router.  All of this is vastly more comfortable to carry
than my last work issued Dell or Compaq machines.  The newer Mac's have
Thunderbolt which is basically puts PCI bus on an external cable and one
cable can connect the monitor, any keyboards, mice, hard drives, etc.

Brian


On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:

> Speaking of computer reliability, my Compaq laptop, which has been used as
> a desktop for five
> years, is showing signs of age with the occasional BSOD. (The very good
> Acronis program always
> restores it).  While replacing the HD is an option, I'd rather get one of
> the bullet proof models that
> have been discussed on this list.
> The new MacBook works great (seven hours of battery time) but I use it off
> the desk, plugging and unplugging would be a pain, and I'm still learning my
> way around it with resultant loss of speed.
>
> Was it the Lenovo (Thinkpad) that was judged to be the best PC laptop?
>
> Thanks,
> Gerry
> '83 300D
> '83 240D
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Curt Raymond]

I've made a career out of remembering things. I also spend a lot of time 
reading things and remembering them. Sometimes its something I can't turn off 
though...

-Curt

Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 22:45:41 -0400
From: Rich Thomas 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
Message-ID: <4e5da055.5070...@constructivity.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

That was Andrew that got the whole thing started?  (Shows how much
attention I paid to it, though I did bookmark the link...)

--R

On 8/30/11 7:35 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> Yeahbut Andrew asked this question on the 18th. Allen, Dan and I responded 
> exactly the same way we have today... I think its reasonable to expect Andrew 
> to remember asking his own dang question, especially after 3 of us answered 
> the same.
>
> Of course today I see the reality is that he didn't like our answers...
>
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Curt Raymond]

Slave cylinder is easy, you just need to know if you've got the old type or new 
and get a new gasket with it.

Which reminds me I bought a new gasket for mine...

The clutch master cylinder and its rod on the other hand, thats a completely 
different story...

-Curt

Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 20:50:22 -0500
From: Mountain Man 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

--R wrote:
> yabbut if it is not something you are concerned about at the time you just
> blow through it, then figure the listers will be nice enough to answer again
> when you do need to know.

Can we talk about changing a clutch slave cylinder agian?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I have several company t60s here, they are beat to hell

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 31, 2011, at 7:49 PM, "Luther's Benz"  wrote:

> My T60 is approaching 4 years old and is still under warranty since it came 
> with a 3 year warranty that can be extended.  Unless Lenovo greatly 
> degrades their quality, I will own ThinkPads for as long as I drive a Benz.
> 
> Luther
> 
> On Aug 31, 2011 7:16 PM, Gerry Archer  wrote: 
> 
> Speaking of computer reliability, my Compaq laptop, which has been used as a 
> 
> desktop for five
> 
> years, is showing signs of age with the occasional BSOD. (The very good 
> 
> Acronis program always
> 
> restores it).  While replacing the HD is an option, I'd rather get one of 
> 
> the bullet proof models that
> 
> have been discussed on this list.
> 
> The new MacBook works great (seven hours of battery time) but I use it off 
> 
> the desk, plugging and unplugging would be a pain, and I'm still learning my 
> 
> way around it with resultant loss of speed.
> 
> 
> 
> Was it the Lenovo (Thinkpad) that was judged to be the best PC laptop?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gerry
> 
> '83 300D
> 
> '83 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Luther's Benz]

My T60 is approaching 4 years old and is still under warranty since it came 
with a 3 year warranty that can be extended.  Unless Lenovo greatly 
degrades their quality, I will own ThinkPads for as long as I drive a Benz.

Luther

On Aug 31, 2011 7:16 PM, Gerry Archer  wrote: 

Speaking of computer reliability, my Compaq laptop, which has been used as a 

desktop for five

years, is showing signs of age with the occasional BSOD. (The very good 

Acronis program always

restores it).  While replacing the HD is an option, I'd rather get one of 

the bullet proof models that

have been discussed on this list.

The new MacBook works great (seven hours of battery time) but I use it off 

the desk, plugging and unplugging would be a pain, and I'm still learning my 

way around it with resultant loss of speed.



Was it the Lenovo (Thinkpad) that was judged to be the best PC laptop?



Thanks,

Gerry

'83 300D

'83 

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[MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Gerry Archer]

Speaking of computer reliability, my Compaq laptop, which has been used as a 
desktop for five
years, is showing signs of age with the occasional BSOD. (The very good 
Acronis program always
restores it).  While replacing the HD is an option, I'd rather get one of 
the bullet proof models that

have been discussed on this list.
The new MacBook works great (seven hours of battery time) but I use it off 
the desk, plugging and unplugging would be a pain, and I'm still learning my 
way around it with resultant loss of speed.


Was it the Lenovo (Thinkpad) that was judged to be the best PC laptop?

Thanks,
Gerry
'83 300D
'83 240D 



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[WILTON]

And we learn more easily by repetition, so an occasional reminder is good. 
;<)))


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Allan Streib" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability



Rich Thomas  writes:


That was Andrew that got the whole thing started?  (Shows how much
attention I paid to it, though I did bookmark the link...)


I plead guilty to asking questions here that I know have been answered,
or I may have myself asked in the past... just because in general I've
found mail list archives very difficult to search effectively.  Subject
matter and subject lines often bear no relationship to one another,
there tends to be a lot of OT content to weed out, and a lot of list
archive sites have poor search capabilities to begin with.  So it's
easier to just ask again.

Though I do try not to do it twice in the same month ;).

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Allan Streib]

Rich Thomas  writes:

> That was Andrew that got the whole thing started?  (Shows how much
> attention I paid to it, though I did bookmark the link...)

I plead guilty to asking questions here that I know have been answered,
or I may have myself asked in the past... just because in general I've
found mail list archives very difficult to search effectively.  Subject
matter and subject lines often bear no relationship to one another,
there tends to be a lot of OT content to weed out, and a lot of list
archive sites have poor search capabilities to begin with.  So it's
easier to just ask again.

Though I do try not to do it twice in the same month ;).

Allan
-- 
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1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Rich Thomas]

That was Andrew that got the whole thing started?  (Shows how much 
attention I paid to it, though I did bookmark the link...)


--R

On 8/30/11 7:35 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

Yeahbut Andrew asked this question on the 18th. Allen, Dan and I responded 
exactly the same way we have today... I think its reasonable to expect Andrew 
to remember asking his own dang question, especially after 3 of us answered the 
same.

Of course today I see the reality is that he didn't like our answers...

-Curt

Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 17:59:25 -0400
From: Rich Thomas
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
Message-ID:<4e5d5d3d.40...@constructivity.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

yabbut if it is not something you are concerned about at the time you
just blow through it, then figure the listers will be nice enough to
answer again when you do need to know.

--R

On 8/30/11 5:40 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

Didn't we go through this about 2 weeks ago? Didn't about 4 of us all tell you 
to go to OWC (Macsales.com) and buy one there? Didn't one guy even give you the 
part number and price?

Yeah, we did do that...

-Curt


Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 10:06:47 -0400
From: andrew strasfogel
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
Message-ID:
  
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

I just bought a used MacBook Pro 15 on ebay.  It's very cool but the battery
only takes a 30 minute charge so I need a replacement.  My son says to
purchase a "new genuine Apple battery".  What's the best place to get a good
deal on one of these?  How much should I expect to pay?

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Craig]

On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 20:50:22 -0500 Mountain Man 
wrote:

> --R wrote:
> > yabbut if it is not something you are concerned about at the time you
> > just blow through it, then figure the listers will be nice enough to
> > answer again when you do need to know.
> 
> Can we talk about changing a clutch slave cylinder agian?

No.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Mountain Man]

--R wrote:
> yabbut if it is not something you are concerned about at the time you just
> blow through it, then figure the listers will be nice enough to answer again
> when you do need to know.

Can we talk about changing a clutch slave cylinder agian?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Craig]

On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 19:15:20 -0600 Craig  wrote:

> You can also see them at
> 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mercedes@okiebenz.com/info.html
> 
> with a list of emails at
> 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mercedes@okiebenz.com/maillist.html
> 
> 
> They're really up-to-date with Robert Koziak's email of 8 minutes ago
> already archived.


Maybe our fearless leader followed the advice on the home page for
www.mail-archive.com :

Looking for an easy way to turn your mailing list into a searchable
archive? Just add The Mail Archive as a member to your mailing list
as described in the how-to-guide.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Craig]

On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 18:06:41 -0400 Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Rich Thomas wrote:
> > yabbut if it is not something you are concerned about at the time you 
> > just blow through it, then figure the listers will be nice enough to 
> > answer again when you do need to know.
> > 
> 
> http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

You can also see them at

http://www.mail-archive.com/mercedes@okiebenz.com/info.html

with a list of emails at

http://www.mail-archive.com/mercedes@okiebenz.com/maillist.html


They're really up-to-date with Robert Koziak's email of 8 minutes ago
already archived.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Redghost]

Ages ago I sourced a nupower for my newton 2100.  That thing is still going 
strong and holds 98% of new charge ability

Clay

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 30, 2011, at 9:24, andrew strasfogel  wrote:

> The OWC NuPower is $99 vs. 129 for an Apple battery (same specs.), which is
> more than I want to spend.  What about this for about half the price from
> Batteryedge?
> 
> http://www.batteryedge.com/Apple_MacBook_Pro_15_Inch_Battery_A1175_p/apa1175.htm?gclid=CKSK4tW296oCFUJrKgod4Q06DA
> 
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Allan Streib wrote:
> 
>> If you want a genuine Apple battery you will probably need to buy it at
>> the Apple store.  Anything on eBay claiming to be genuine but much
>> cheaper I would be suspicious of.
>> 
>> Like Dan, I've had very good results with the OWC batteries and would
>> not hesitate to recommend that approach.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
>> 
>> Dan Penoff  writes:
>> 
>>> OWC (Other World Computing).
>>> 
>>> Their house brand replacements (Nupower) are very good.
>>> 
>>> Before you toss the battery or buy a new one, go to Apple's support site
>> and read up on how to condition a battery. You may be able to resurrect it
>> somewhat.
>>> 
>>> More info if you need it - just ask.
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Aug 30, 2011, at 10:06 AM, andrew strasfogel 
>> wrote:
>>> 
 I just bought a used MacBook Pro 15 on ebay.  It's very cool but the
>> battery
 only takes a 30 minute charge so I need a replacement.  My son says to
 purchase a "new genuine Apple battery".  What's the best place to get a
>> good
 deal on one of these?  How much should I expect to pay?
 
 On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Jim Cathey 
>> wrote:
 
> I was just checking my records, and this 233 MHz Mac G3
> has been rebooted 7 times in the two years that it has
> resided in my new computer room.  It normally runs 24/7,
> is my sole e-mail device and wherefrom I master the web
> site, do all Photoshop/Illustrator work, etc.
> 
> Four power failures where the UPS was inadequate to
> the task, two deliberate power-downs during longer
> vacations, and once due to a CD-R image getting logically
> stuck and un-dismountable during a Toast burning session.
> (A vulnerability it has long had, but which is rarely
> a problem.)  Only once in two years due to software failure.
> Take that, Microsoft!  (The PC I am forced to use at work,
> though now largely an xterm and Outhouse machine only,
> can often make it about 2 weeks between reboots.  Unless
> it can't.)
> 
> Not bad for free!  I believe I've been running it since
> 2005, that's when the HD was formatted anyway.
> 
> -- Jim
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Redghost]

Expect $150.  You could do better with used on cl or a cinese exploding one on 
flea bay.  I get good life per $$ spent off eBay

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 30, 2011, at 7:06, andrew strasfogel  wrote:

> I just bought a used MacBook Pro 15 on ebay.  It's very cool but the battery
> only takes a 30 minute charge so I need a replacement.  My son says to
> purchase a "new genuine Apple battery".  What's the best place to get a good
> deal on one of these?  How much should I expect to pay?
> 
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
>> I was just checking my records, and this 233 MHz Mac G3
>> has been rebooted 7 times in the two years that it has
>> resided in my new computer room.  It normally runs 24/7,
>> is my sole e-mail device and wherefrom I master the web
>> site, do all Photoshop/Illustrator work, etc.
>> 
>> Four power failures where the UPS was inadequate to
>> the task, two deliberate power-downs during longer
>> vacations, and once due to a CD-R image getting logically
>> stuck and un-dismountable during a Toast burning session.
>> (A vulnerability it has long had, but which is rarely
>> a problem.)  Only once in two years due to software failure.
>> Take that, Microsoft!  (The PC I am forced to use at work,
>> though now largely an xterm and Outhouse machine only,
>> can often make it about 2 weeks between reboots.  Unless
>> it can't.)
>> 
>> Not bad for free!  I believe I've been running it since
>> 2005, that's when the HD was formatted anyway.
>> 
>> -- Jim
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Redghost]

Win blows partition on the Dell mackintosh kacked, taking the OSx setup data 
with it.  Not sure how.  Decided to just get a Mac pro that will do lion out of 
the box.  No sinking around with unix drivers for non standard hardware to get 
minimal functionality

Clay

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 30, 2011, at 7:00, Jim Cathey  wrote:

> I was just checking my records, and this 233 MHz Mac G3
> has been rebooted 7 times in the two years that it has
> resided in my new computer room.  It normally runs 24/7,
> is my sole e-mail device and wherefrom I master the web
> site, do all Photoshop/Illustrator work, etc.
> 
> Four power failures where the UPS was inadequate to
> the task, two deliberate power-downs during longer
> vacations, and once due to a CD-R image getting logically
> stuck and un-dismountable during a Toast burning session.
> (A vulnerability it has long had, but which is rarely
> a problem.)  Only once in two years due to software failure.
> Take that, Microsoft!  (The PC I am forced to use at work,
> though now largely an xterm and Outhouse machine only,
> can often make it about 2 weeks between reboots.  Unless
> it can't.)
> 
> Not bad for free!  I believe I've been running it since
> 2005, that's when the HD was formatted anyway.
> 
> -- Jim
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Curt Raymond]

Yeahbut Andrew asked this question on the 18th. Allen, Dan and I responded 
exactly the same way we have today... I think its reasonable to expect Andrew 
to remember asking his own dang question, especially after 3 of us answered the 
same.

Of course today I see the reality is that he didn't like our answers...

-Curt

Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 17:59:25 -0400
From: Rich Thomas 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
Message-ID: <4e5d5d3d.40...@constructivity.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

yabbut if it is not something you are concerned about at the time you
just blow through it, then figure the listers will be nice enough to
answer again when you do need to know.

--R

On 8/30/11 5:40 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> Didn't we go through this about 2 weeks ago? Didn't about 4 of us all tell 
> you to go to OWC (Macsales.com) and buy one there? Didn't one guy even give 
> you the part number and price?
>
> Yeah, we did do that...
>
> -Curt
>
>
> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 10:06:47 -0400
> From: andrew strasfogel
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
> Message-ID:
>  
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I just bought a used MacBook Pro 15 on ebay.  It's very cool but the battery
> only takes a 30 minute charge so I need a replacement.  My son says to
> purchase a "new genuine Apple battery".  What's the best place to get a good
> deal on one of these?  How much should I expect to pay?

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Curt Raymond]

A cheap battery will give cheap results.

About 2 years ago the battery in my Dell failed. I got an inexpensive 
replacement (Dell wanted ~$150, the inexpensive replacement was about $80) the 
replacement lasted about 9 months before it inexplicably failed completely. 
Ended up buying a full price replacement...

You pays your money and you takes your chance.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 12:24:46 -0400
From: andrew strasfogel 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability
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The OWC NuPower is $99 vs. 129 for an Apple battery (same specs.), which is
more than I want to spend.  What about this for about half the price from
Batteryedge?

http://www.batteryedge.com/Apple_MacBook_Pro_15_Inch_Battery_A1175_p/apa1175.htm?gclid=CKSK4tW296oCFUJrKgod4Q06DA

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Allan Streib wrote:

> If you want a genuine Apple battery you will probably need to buy it at
> the Apple store.  Anything on eBay claiming to be genuine but much
> cheaper I would be suspicious of.
>
> Like Dan, I've had very good results with the OWC batteries and would
> not hesitate to recommend that approach.
>
> Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Mitch Haley]

Rich Thomas wrote:
yabbut if it is not something you are concerned about at the time you 
just blow through it, then figure the listers will be nice enough to 
answer again when you do need to know.




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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[WILTON]

Yep, but if not, maybe it can be found in the archives.

Wilton

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yabbut if it is not something you are concerned about at the time you just 
blow through it, then figure the listers will be nice enough to answer 
again when you do need to know.


--R

On 8/30/11 5:40 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
Didn't we go through this about 2 weeks ago? Didn't about 4 of us all 
tell you to go to OWC (Macsales.com) and buy one there? Didn't one guy 
even give you the part number and price?


Yeah, we did do that...

-Curt


Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 10:06:47 -0400
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I just bought a used MacBook Pro 15 on ebay.  It's very cool but the 
battery

only takes a 30 minute charge so I need a replacement.  My son says to
purchase a "new genuine Apple battery".  What's the best place to get a 
good

deal on one of these?  How much should I expect to pay?

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Rich Thomas]

yabbut if it is not something you are concerned about at the time you 
just blow through it, then figure the listers will be nice enough to 
answer again when you do need to know.


--R

On 8/30/11 5:40 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

Didn't we go through this about 2 weeks ago? Didn't about 4 of us all tell you 
to go to OWC (Macsales.com) and buy one there? Didn't one guy even give you the 
part number and price?

Yeah, we did do that...

-Curt


Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 10:06:47 -0400
From: andrew strasfogel
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I just bought a used MacBook Pro 15 on ebay.  It's very cool but the battery
only takes a 30 minute charge so I need a replacement.  My son says to
purchase a "new genuine Apple battery".  What's the best place to get a good
deal on one of these?  How much should I expect to pay?

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Curt Raymond]

Didn't we go through this about 2 weeks ago? Didn't about 4 of us all tell you 
to go to OWC (Macsales.com) and buy one there? Didn't one guy even give you the 
part number and price?

Yeah, we did do that...

-Curt


Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 10:06:47 -0400
From: andrew strasfogel 
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I just bought a used MacBook Pro 15 on ebay.  It's very cool but the battery
only takes a 30 minute charge so I need a replacement.  My son says to
purchase a "new genuine Apple battery".  What's the best place to get a good
deal on one of these?  How much should I expect to pay?

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Dan Penoff]

It has been my experience that the third party batteries (other than OWC's) 
have serious fit and finish issues.

If you are willing to risk it, go ahead.  Since the battery is an integral part 
of the computer case, I wouldn't, but that's a personal preference.

MacDan

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 30, 2011, at 12:24 PM, andrew strasfogel  wrote:

> The OWC NuPower is $99 vs. 129 for an Apple battery (same specs.), which is
> more than I want to spend.  What about this for about half the price from
> Batteryedge?
> 
> http://www.batteryedge.com/Apple_MacBook_Pro_15_Inch_Battery_A1175_p/apa1175.htm?gclid=CKSK4tW296oCFUJrKgod4Q06DA
> 
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Allan Streib wrote:
> 
>> If you want a genuine Apple battery you will probably need to buy it at
>> the Apple store.  Anything on eBay claiming to be genuine but much
>> cheaper I would be suspicious of.
>> 
>> Like Dan, I've had very good results with the OWC batteries and would
>> not hesitate to recommend that approach.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
>> 
>> Dan Penoff  writes:
>> 
>>> OWC (Other World Computing).
>>> 
>>> Their house brand replacements (Nupower) are very good.
>>> 
>>> Before you toss the battery or buy a new one, go to Apple's support site
>> and read up on how to condition a battery. You may be able to resurrect it
>> somewhat.
>>> 
>>> More info if you need it - just ask.
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Aug 30, 2011, at 10:06 AM, andrew strasfogel 
>> wrote:
>>> 
 I just bought a used MacBook Pro 15 on ebay.  It's very cool but the
>> battery
 only takes a 30 minute charge so I need a replacement.  My son says to
 purchase a "new genuine Apple battery".  What's the best place to get a
>> good
 deal on one of these?  How much should I expect to pay?
 
 On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Jim Cathey 
>> wrote:
 
> I was just checking my records, and this 233 MHz Mac G3
> has been rebooted 7 times in the two years that it has
> resided in my new computer room.  It normally runs 24/7,
> is my sole e-mail device and wherefrom I master the web
> site, do all Photoshop/Illustrator work, etc.
> 
> Four power failures where the UPS was inadequate to
> the task, two deliberate power-downs during longer
> vacations, and once due to a CD-R image getting logically
> stuck and un-dismountable during a Toast burning session.
> (A vulnerability it has long had, but which is rarely
> a problem.)  Only once in two years due to software failure.
> Take that, Microsoft!  (The PC I am forced to use at work,
> though now largely an xterm and Outhouse machine only,
> can often make it about 2 weeks between reboots.  Unless
> it can't.)
> 
> Not bad for free!  I believe I've been running it since
> 2005, that's when the HD was formatted anyway.
> 
> -- Jim
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[andrew strasfogel]

The OWC NuPower is $99 vs. 129 for an Apple battery (same specs.), which is
more than I want to spend.  What about this for about half the price from
Batteryedge?

http://www.batteryedge.com/Apple_MacBook_Pro_15_Inch_Battery_A1175_p/apa1175.htm?gclid=CKSK4tW296oCFUJrKgod4Q06DA

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Allan Streib wrote:

> If you want a genuine Apple battery you will probably need to buy it at
> the Apple store.  Anything on eBay claiming to be genuine but much
> cheaper I would be suspicious of.
>
> Like Dan, I've had very good results with the OWC batteries and would
> not hesitate to recommend that approach.
>
> Allan
>
>
> Dan Penoff  writes:
>
> > OWC (Other World Computing).
> >
> > Their house brand replacements (Nupower) are very good.
> >
> > Before you toss the battery or buy a new one, go to Apple's support site
> and read up on how to condition a battery. You may be able to resurrect it
> somewhat.
> >
> > More info if you need it - just ask.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Aug 30, 2011, at 10:06 AM, andrew strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >
> >> I just bought a used MacBook Pro 15 on ebay.  It's very cool but the
> battery
> >> only takes a 30 minute charge so I need a replacement.  My son says to
> >> purchase a "new genuine Apple battery".  What's the best place to get a
> good
> >> deal on one of these?  How much should I expect to pay?
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Jim Cathey 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I was just checking my records, and this 233 MHz Mac G3
> >>> has been rebooted 7 times in the two years that it has
> >>> resided in my new computer room.  It normally runs 24/7,
> >>> is my sole e-mail device and wherefrom I master the web
> >>> site, do all Photoshop/Illustrator work, etc.
> >>>
> >>> Four power failures where the UPS was inadequate to
> >>> the task, two deliberate power-downs during longer
> >>> vacations, and once due to a CD-R image getting logically
> >>> stuck and un-dismountable during a Toast burning session.
> >>> (A vulnerability it has long had, but which is rarely
> >>> a problem.)  Only once in two years due to software failure.
> >>> Take that, Microsoft!  (The PC I am forced to use at work,
> >>> though now largely an xterm and Outhouse machine only,
> >>> can often make it about 2 weeks between reboots.  Unless
> >>> it can't.)
> >>>
> >>> Not bad for free!  I believe I've been running it since
> >>> 2005, that's when the HD was formatted anyway.
> >>>
> >>> -- Jim
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Allan Streib]

If you want a genuine Apple battery you will probably need to buy it at
the Apple store.  Anything on eBay claiming to be genuine but much
cheaper I would be suspicious of.

Like Dan, I've had very good results with the OWC batteries and would
not hesitate to recommend that approach.

Allan


Dan Penoff  writes:

> OWC (Other World Computing).
>
> Their house brand replacements (Nupower) are very good.
>
> Before you toss the battery or buy a new one, go to Apple's support site and 
> read up on how to condition a battery. You may be able to resurrect it 
> somewhat.
>
> More info if you need it - just ask.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 30, 2011, at 10:06 AM, andrew strasfogel  wrote:
>
>> I just bought a used MacBook Pro 15 on ebay.  It's very cool but the battery
>> only takes a 30 minute charge so I need a replacement.  My son says to
>> purchase a "new genuine Apple battery".  What's the best place to get a good
>> deal on one of these?  How much should I expect to pay?
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
>> 
>>> I was just checking my records, and this 233 MHz Mac G3
>>> has been rebooted 7 times in the two years that it has
>>> resided in my new computer room.  It normally runs 24/7,
>>> is my sole e-mail device and wherefrom I master the web
>>> site, do all Photoshop/Illustrator work, etc.
>>> 
>>> Four power failures where the UPS was inadequate to
>>> the task, two deliberate power-downs during longer
>>> vacations, and once due to a CD-R image getting logically
>>> stuck and un-dismountable during a Toast burning session.
>>> (A vulnerability it has long had, but which is rarely
>>> a problem.)  Only once in two years due to software failure.
>>> Take that, Microsoft!  (The PC I am forced to use at work,
>>> though now largely an xterm and Outhouse machine only,
>>> can often make it about 2 weeks between reboots.  Unless
>>> it can't.)
>>> 
>>> Not bad for free!  I believe I've been running it since
>>> 2005, that's when the HD was formatted anyway.
>>> 
>>> -- Jim
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Dan Penoff]

Sounds like my G4 Quicksilver.  Built like a brick doghouse.

MacDan

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 30, 2011, at 10:00 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:

> I was just checking my records, and this 233 MHz Mac G3
> has been rebooted 7 times in the two years that it has
> resided in my new computer room.  It normally runs 24/7,
> is my sole e-mail device and wherefrom I master the web
> site, do all Photoshop/Illustrator work, etc.
> 
> Four power failures where the UPS was inadequate to
> the task, two deliberate power-downs during longer
> vacations, and once due to a CD-R image getting logically
> stuck and un-dismountable during a Toast burning session.
> (A vulnerability it has long had, but which is rarely
> a problem.)  Only once in two years due to software failure.
> Take that, Microsoft!  (The PC I am forced to use at work,
> though now largely an xterm and Outhouse machine only,
> can often make it about 2 weeks between reboots.  Unless
> it can't.)
> 
> Not bad for free!  I believe I've been running it since
> 2005, that's when the HD was formatted anyway.
> 
> -- Jim
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Rich Thomas]

There was a whole discussion on this last week, or the week before, but 
I forget what the source was.


-R

On 8/30/11 10:06 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

I just bought a used MacBook Pro 15 on ebay.  It's very cool but the battery
only takes a 30 minute charge so I need a replacement.  My son says to
purchase a "new genuine Apple battery".  What's the best place to get a good
deal on one of these?  How much should I expect to pay?

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:


I was just checking my records, and this 233 MHz Mac G3
has been rebooted 7 times in the two years that it has
resided in my new computer room.  It normally runs 24/7,
is my sole e-mail device and wherefrom I master the web
site, do all Photoshop/Illustrator work, etc.

Four power failures where the UPS was inadequate to
the task, two deliberate power-downs during longer
vacations, and once due to a CD-R image getting logically
stuck and un-dismountable during a Toast burning session.
(A vulnerability it has long had, but which is rarely
a problem.)  Only once in two years due to software failure.
Take that, Microsoft!  (The PC I am forced to use at work,
though now largely an xterm and Outhouse machine only,
can often make it about 2 weeks between reboots.  Unless
it can't.)

Not bad for free!  I believe I've been running it since
2005, that's when the HD was formatted anyway.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Dan Penoff]

OWC (Other World Computing).

Their house brand replacements (Nupower) are very good.

Before you toss the battery or buy a new one, go to Apple's support site and 
read up on how to condition a battery. You may be able to resurrect it somewhat.

More info if you need it - just ask.

Dan

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 30, 2011, at 10:06 AM, andrew strasfogel  wrote:

> I just bought a used MacBook Pro 15 on ebay.  It's very cool but the battery
> only takes a 30 minute charge so I need a replacement.  My son says to
> purchase a "new genuine Apple battery".  What's the best place to get a good
> deal on one of these?  How much should I expect to pay?
> 
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
>> I was just checking my records, and this 233 MHz Mac G3
>> has been rebooted 7 times in the two years that it has
>> resided in my new computer room.  It normally runs 24/7,
>> is my sole e-mail device and wherefrom I master the web
>> site, do all Photoshop/Illustrator work, etc.
>> 
>> Four power failures where the UPS was inadequate to
>> the task, two deliberate power-downs during longer
>> vacations, and once due to a CD-R image getting logically
>> stuck and un-dismountable during a Toast burning session.
>> (A vulnerability it has long had, but which is rarely
>> a problem.)  Only once in two years due to software failure.
>> Take that, Microsoft!  (The PC I am forced to use at work,
>> though now largely an xterm and Outhouse machine only,
>> can often make it about 2 weeks between reboots.  Unless
>> it can't.)
>> 
>> Not bad for free!  I believe I've been running it since
>> 2005, that's when the HD was formatted anyway.
>> 
>> -- Jim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> __**_
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Jim Cathey]

Four power failures where the UPS was inadequate to
the task,


Oh, and the defective battery (one of its four) has been
replaced.  Live, so that I wouldn't incur an unnecessary
reboot!  There have been no power failure reboots in the
year since.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[andrew strasfogel]

I just bought a used MacBook Pro 15 on ebay.  It's very cool but the battery
only takes a 30 minute charge so I need a replacement.  My son says to
purchase a "new genuine Apple battery".  What's the best place to get a good
deal on one of these?  How much should I expect to pay?

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:

> I was just checking my records, and this 233 MHz Mac G3
> has been rebooted 7 times in the two years that it has
> resided in my new computer room.  It normally runs 24/7,
> is my sole e-mail device and wherefrom I master the web
> site, do all Photoshop/Illustrator work, etc.
>
> Four power failures where the UPS was inadequate to
> the task, two deliberate power-downs during longer
> vacations, and once due to a CD-R image getting logically
> stuck and un-dismountable during a Toast burning session.
> (A vulnerability it has long had, but which is rarely
> a problem.)  Only once in two years due to software failure.
> Take that, Microsoft!  (The PC I am forced to use at work,
> though now largely an xterm and Outhouse machine only,
> can often make it about 2 weeks between reboots.  Unless
> it can't.)
>
> Not bad for free!  I believe I've been running it since
> 2005, that's when the HD was formatted anyway.
>
> -- Jim
>
>
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[MBZ] OT: Computer reliability

[Jim Cathey]

I was just checking my records, and this 233 MHz Mac G3
has been rebooted 7 times in the two years that it has
resided in my new computer room.  It normally runs 24/7,
is my sole e-mail device and wherefrom I master the web
site, do all Photoshop/Illustrator work, etc.

Four power failures where the UPS was inadequate to
the task, two deliberate power-downs during longer
vacations, and once due to a CD-R image getting logically
stuck and un-dismountable during a Toast burning session.
(A vulnerability it has long had, but which is rarely
a problem.)  Only once in two years due to software failure.
Take that, Microsoft!  (The PC I am forced to use at work,
though now largely an xterm and Outhouse machine only,
can often make it about 2 weeks between reboots.  Unless
it can't.)

Not bad for free!  I believe I've been running it since
2005, that's when the HD was formatted anyway.

-- Jim



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