Re: [MBZ] OT: I hate plumbing
Or the reverse. My F150 and my son's F150 both leak coolant when cold. In winter, the level drops and I have to keep an eye on the tank. My son is a mechanic and he has determined that it is likely an O ring that seals a slip on fitting. He has acquired the part to repair his truck and will do mine after he has done his own. It is not pressing at the moment because it does not appear to leak in the summer. In winter, it leaks a bit when the engine is first started but seals once things warm up. Randy On 02/08/2023 11:25 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Ah, I had understood this as the reverse, that you had no coolant loss for almost a year, took it to the dealer, and then suddenly/cooincidentally there was a low coolant message and you were a quart low. As Jim said, a slow leak that only happens when the coolant is hot/pressurized may not ever drip on the ground, as it just steams off immediately. If you can't spot any signs of a leak, maybe the pressure cap is a bit weak or not sealing properly? I have to add a pint or two of coolant to several of my cars every six months or so. I just do that as it's easier than trying to chase down every tiny leak to get a perfectly sealed system. I try to remember to eyeball all the fluid levels whenever I get fuel. On Wed, Aug 2, 2023, at 10:42, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Since purchasing the car I have not had any warning until recently, when the dealer noted a low coolant level and suspected/observed (?) a radiator leak. There was a low coolant warning as I drove away from the dealer. In 9 months this was the first such warning. I have never checked coolant levels prior to this. On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 11:49 PM Allan Streib wrote: If you're not losing coolant, there's no problem? Allan On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, at 22:33, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: The local dealership did a 150K service on my E250 Bluetec sedan, and noted that the radiator was leaking and needed replacing. When I picked up the car there was a low coolant message so I drove to my trusty indy tech (ex dealer). The coolant was a quart down but he saw no leak. The car sat on my driveway for a day and nothing dripped onto the pavement. I have had no coolant issues in almost a year of ownership. Not sure what to do next. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hate plumbing
Yeah, no five star review this time. On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 12:27 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Even so, one would think that good customer service would have caused > them to at least top up the coolant. You might well have decided later > to go back and have the work done. > > Randy > > On 02/08/2023 11:23 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > > Perhaps they were pi**ed after I declined their offer for a $1900 > radiator > > replacement... > > > > On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 12:20 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> Nice that the dealer didn't bother to check fluid levels. That's an easy > >> profit center right there. > >> > >> -D > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hate plumbing
Even so, one would think that good customer service would have caused them to at least top up the coolant. You might well have decided later to go back and have the work done. Randy On 02/08/2023 11:23 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Perhaps they were pi**ed after I declined their offer for a $1900 radiator replacement... On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 12:20 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Nice that the dealer didn't bother to check fluid levels. That's an easy profit center right there. -D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hate plumbing
Ah, I had understood this as the reverse, that you had no coolant loss for almost a year, took it to the dealer, and then suddenly/cooincidentally there was a low coolant message and you were a quart low. As Jim said, a slow leak that only happens when the coolant is hot/pressurized may not ever drip on the ground, as it just steams off immediately. If you can't spot any signs of a leak, maybe the pressure cap is a bit weak or not sealing properly? I have to add a pint or two of coolant to several of my cars every six months or so. I just do that as it's easier than trying to chase down every tiny leak to get a perfectly sealed system. I try to remember to eyeball all the fluid levels whenever I get fuel. On Wed, Aug 2, 2023, at 10:42, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > Since purchasing the car I have not had any warning until recently, when the > dealer noted a low coolant level and suspected/observed (?) a radiator leak. > There was a low coolant warning as I drove away from the dealer. In 9 months > this was the first such warning. I have never checked coolant levels prior > to this. > > On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 11:49 PM Allan Streib wrote: >> If you're not losing coolant, there's no problem? >> >> Allan >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, at 22:33, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: >> > The local dealership did a 150K service on my E250 Bluetec sedan, and noted >> > that the radiator was leaking and needed replacing. When I picked up the >> > car there was a low coolant message so I drove to my trusty indy tech (ex >> > dealer). The coolant was a quart down but he saw no leak. The car sat on >> > my driveway for a day and nothing dripped onto the pavement. I have had no >> > coolant issues in almost a year of ownership. Not sure what to do next. >> > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hate plumbing
Perhaps they were pi**ed after I declined their offer for a $1900 radiator replacement... On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 12:20 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Nice that the dealer didn't bother to check fluid levels. That's an easy > profit center right there. > > -D > > From: Mercedes on behalf of Andrew > Strasfogel via Mercedes > Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2023 11:42 AM > To: Allan Streib > Cc: Andrew Strasfogel ; Mercedes Discussion List < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: I hate plumbing > > Since purchasing the car I have not had any warning until recently, when > the dealer noted a low coolant level and suspected/observed (?) a radiator > leak. There was a low coolant warning as I drove away from the dealer. In > 9 months this was the first such warning. I have never checked coolant > levels prior to this. > > On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 11:49 PM Allan Streib wrote: > > > If you're not losing coolant, there's no problem? > > > > Allan > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, at 22:33, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > > > The local dealership did a 150K service on my E250 Bluetec sedan, and > > noted > > > that the radiator was leaking and needed replacing. When I picked up > the > > > car there was a low coolant message so I drove to my trusty indy tech > (ex > > > dealer). The coolant was a quart down but he saw no leak. The car sat > > on > > > my driveway for a day and nothing dripped onto the pavement. I have > had > > no > > > coolant issues in almost a year of ownership. Not sure what to do > next. > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hate plumbing
Nice that the dealer didn't bother to check fluid levels. That's an easy profit center right there. -D From: Mercedes on behalf of Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2023 11:42 AM To: Allan Streib Cc: Andrew Strasfogel ; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: I hate plumbing Since purchasing the car I have not had any warning until recently, when the dealer noted a low coolant level and suspected/observed (?) a radiator leak. There was a low coolant warning as I drove away from the dealer. In 9 months this was the first such warning. I have never checked coolant levels prior to this. On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 11:49 PM Allan Streib wrote: > If you're not losing coolant, there's no problem? > > Allan > > > On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, at 22:33, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > > The local dealership did a 150K service on my E250 Bluetec sedan, and > noted > > that the radiator was leaking and needed replacing. When I picked up the > > car there was a low coolant message so I drove to my trusty indy tech (ex > > dealer). The coolant was a quart down but he saw no leak. The car sat > on > > my driveway for a day and nothing dripped onto the pavement. I have had > no > > coolant issues in almost a year of ownership. Not sure what to do next. > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hate plumbing
> Since purchasing the car I have not had any warning until recently, when > the dealer noted a low coolant level and suspected/observed (?) a radiator > leak. A slow enough leak will evaporate before it drips off. One might see dried residue, etc. Or UV fluorescence if dye-marked. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hate plumbing
Since purchasing the car I have not had any warning until recently, when the dealer noted a low coolant level and suspected/observed (?) a radiator leak. There was a low coolant warning as I drove away from the dealer. In 9 months this was the first such warning. I have never checked coolant levels prior to this. On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 11:49 PM Allan Streib wrote: > If you're not losing coolant, there's no problem? > > Allan > > > On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, at 22:33, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > > The local dealership did a 150K service on my E250 Bluetec sedan, and > noted > > that the radiator was leaking and needed replacing. When I picked up the > > car there was a low coolant message so I drove to my trusty indy tech (ex > > dealer). The coolant was a quart down but he saw no leak. The car sat > on > > my driveway for a day and nothing dripped onto the pavement. I have had > no > > coolant issues in almost a year of ownership. Not sure what to do next. > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hate plumbing
If you're not losing coolant, there's no problem? Allan On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, at 22:33, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > The local dealership did a 150K service on my E250 Bluetec sedan, and noted > that the radiator was leaking and needed replacing. When I picked up the > car there was a low coolant message so I drove to my trusty indy tech (ex > dealer). The coolant was a quart down but he saw no leak. The car sat on > my driveway for a day and nothing dripped onto the pavement. I have had no > coolant issues in almost a year of ownership. Not sure what to do next. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hate plumbing
The local dealership did a 150K service on my E250 Bluetec sedan, and noted that the radiator was leaking and needed replacing. When I picked up the car there was a low coolant message so I drove to my trusty indy tech (ex dealer). The coolant was a quart down but he saw no leak. The car sat on my driveway for a day and nothing dripped onto the pavement. I have had no coolant issues in almost a year of ownership. Not sure what to do next. On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 10:59 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > yup. it is replace mentality vs repair. I am so fortunate to have a great > indy MB mechanic who also is a sponsor for our annual ChowdahQ > > On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, 10:28 PM Dimitri Seretakis > wrote: > > > Definitely the “mechanics” at the Mercedes dealerships. I mentioned a > > while back that the dealership claimed that my mother’s G500 needed a new > > ecu which was NLA and they suggested that it get written off as a total > > loss. Well, I took it to an independent shop which spent 5 hours on it > and > > got it running. All they did was clean up some relays and fuses. How > about > > that for dealership incompetence. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Aug 1, 2023, at 9:55 PM, Dwight Giles wrote: > > > > > > yes including mechanics > > > > On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, 9:39 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> I know. Part of the issue is that the art of plumbing is dying. No skill > >> involved in pulling a trigger on a crimping machine. Now they need that > >> expensive Milwaukee tool when they could just use a cheap propane torch > and > >> some solder. Everything has to be over complicated now, including cars. > On > >> every corner you turn, you run into societal degradation…. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> > On Aug 1, 2023, at 7:55 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > Actually, a lot of plumbers no longer sweat solder copper. They use > >> the crimp system that Milwaukee and others promote. It’s pretty slick > stuff. > >> > > >> > -D > >> > > >> >> On Jul 31, 2023, at 8:49 PM, Dimitri Seretakis > > >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Real men drive old diesel Mercedes and real houses are plumbed with > >> soldered copper. > >> >> > >> >> Sent from my iPhone > >> >> > >> On Jul 31, 2023, at 2:59 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> I have a plumber in the family and they’re not keen about the > >> Sharkbite fittings. A proper crimp with PEX or copper and Robert is your > >> next of kin. > >> >>> > >> >>> -D > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> > On Jul 31, 2023, at 11:55 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > > >> > PEX ... (someone slamming a full open valve closed) they are > >> letting loose. > >> > >> Humph. Never happened with lead pipes... > >> > >> -- Jim > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> >>> ___ > >> >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> >>> > >> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> >>> > >> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> >>> > >> >> > >> > ___ > >> > http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > > >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hate plumbing
yup. it is replace mentality vs repair. I am so fortunate to have a great indy MB mechanic who also is a sponsor for our annual ChowdahQ On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, 10:28 PM Dimitri Seretakis wrote: > Definitely the “mechanics” at the Mercedes dealerships. I mentioned a > while back that the dealership claimed that my mother’s G500 needed a new > ecu which was NLA and they suggested that it get written off as a total > loss. Well, I took it to an independent shop which spent 5 hours on it and > got it running. All they did was clean up some relays and fuses. How about > that for dealership incompetence. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 1, 2023, at 9:55 PM, Dwight Giles wrote: > > > yes including mechanics > > On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, 9:39 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> I know. Part of the issue is that the art of plumbing is dying. No skill >> involved in pulling a trigger on a crimping machine. Now they need that >> expensive Milwaukee tool when they could just use a cheap propane torch and >> some solder. Everything has to be over complicated now, including cars. On >> every corner you turn, you run into societal degradation…. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Aug 1, 2023, at 7:55 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> > >> > Actually, a lot of plumbers no longer sweat solder copper. They use >> the crimp system that Milwaukee and others promote. It’s pretty slick stuff. >> > >> > -D >> > >> >> On Jul 31, 2023, at 8:49 PM, Dimitri Seretakis >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Real men drive old diesel Mercedes and real houses are plumbed with >> soldered copper. >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> On Jul 31, 2023, at 2:59 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I have a plumber in the family and they’re not keen about the >> Sharkbite fittings. A proper crimp with PEX or copper and Robert is your >> next of kin. >> >>> >> >>> -D >> >>> >> >>> >> > On Jul 31, 2023, at 11:55 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> >> > >> > PEX ... (someone slamming a full open valve closed) they are >> letting loose. >> >> Humph. Never happened with lead pipes... >> >> -- Jim >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >>> ___ >> >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >>> >> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >>> >> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >>> >> >> >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hate plumbing
Definitely the “mechanics” at the Mercedes dealerships. I mentioned a while back that the dealership claimed that my mother’s G500 needed a new ecu which was NLA and they suggested that it get written off as a total loss. Well, I took it to an independent shop which spent 5 hours on it and got it running. All they did was clean up some relays and fuses. How about that for dealership incompetence. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 1, 2023, at 9:55 PM, Dwight Giles wrote: > > > yes including mechanics > >> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, 9:39 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes >> wrote: >> I know. Part of the issue is that the art of plumbing is dying. No skill >> involved in pulling a trigger on a crimping machine. Now they need that >> expensive Milwaukee tool when they could just use a cheap propane torch and >> some solder. Everything has to be over complicated now, including cars. On >> every corner you turn, you run into societal degradation…. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Aug 1, 2023, at 7:55 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes >> > wrote: >> > >> > Actually, a lot of plumbers no longer sweat solder copper. They use the >> > crimp system that Milwaukee and others promote. It’s pretty slick stuff. >> > >> > -D >> > >> >> On Jul 31, 2023, at 8:49 PM, Dimitri Seretakis >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Real men drive old diesel Mercedes and real houses are plumbed with >> >> soldered copper. >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> On Jul 31, 2023, at 2:59 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I have a plumber in the family and they’re not keen about the Sharkbite >> >>> fittings. A proper crimp with PEX or copper and Robert is your next of >> >>> kin. >> >>> >> >>> -D >> >>> >> >>> >> > On Jul 31, 2023, at 11:55 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes >> > wrote: >> >> >> > >> > PEX ... (someone slamming a full open valve closed) they are letting >> > loose. >> >> Humph. Never happened with lead pipes... >> >> -- Jim >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >>> ___ >> >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >>> >> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >>> >> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >>> >> >> >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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yes including mechanics On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, 9:39 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I know. Part of the issue is that the art of plumbing is dying. No skill > involved in pulling a trigger on a crimping machine. Now they need that > expensive Milwaukee tool when they could just use a cheap propane torch and > some solder. Everything has to be over complicated now, including cars. On > every corner you turn, you run into societal degradation…. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Aug 1, 2023, at 7:55 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Actually, a lot of plumbers no longer sweat solder copper. They use the > crimp system that Milwaukee and others promote. It’s pretty slick stuff. > > > > -D > > > >> On Jul 31, 2023, at 8:49 PM, Dimitri Seretakis > wrote: > >> > >> Real men drive old diesel Mercedes and real houses are plumbed with > soldered copper. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > On Jul 31, 2023, at 2:59 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> I have a plumber in the family and they’re not keen about the > Sharkbite fittings. A proper crimp with PEX or copper and Robert is your > next of kin. > >>> > >>> -D > >>> > >>> > > On Jul 31, 2023, at 11:55 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > PEX ... (someone slamming a full open valve closed) they are letting > loose. > > Humph. Never happened with lead pipes... > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hate plumbing
I know. Part of the issue is that the art of plumbing is dying. No skill involved in pulling a trigger on a crimping machine. Now they need that expensive Milwaukee tool when they could just use a cheap propane torch and some solder. Everything has to be over complicated now, including cars. On every corner you turn, you run into societal degradation…. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 1, 2023, at 7:55 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > Actually, a lot of plumbers no longer sweat solder copper. They use the > crimp system that Milwaukee and others promote. It’s pretty slick stuff. > > -D > >> On Jul 31, 2023, at 8:49 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: >> >> Real men drive old diesel Mercedes and real houses are plumbed with >> soldered copper. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Jul 31, 2023, at 2:59 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> I have a plumber in the family and they’re not keen about the Sharkbite >>> fittings. A proper crimp with PEX or copper and Robert is your next of kin. >>> >>> -D >>> >>> > On Jul 31, 2023, at 11:55 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes > wrote: > > PEX ... (someone slamming a full open valve closed) they are letting > loose. Humph. Never happened with lead pipes... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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According to oldest son, while some old school plumbers still like sweating copper, these are very popular in the trade. He says they're quite substantial and he's never seen one leak unless it was improperly installed. -D From: Allan Streib Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2023 8:27 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: dan penoff.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: I hate plumbing I can see the advantages of those, but seems somewhat like a "sharkbite" in that it relies on an O-ring to make the seal, which will eventually start to leak years later. But I've had sweated copper joints eventually leak also, so I don't think anything is really permanent when it comes to household plumbing. On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, at 07:03, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > To clarify, they’re referred to as “copper press” fittings, I’m told. > Not cheap, nor are the crimping tools (+$2k) but they work well, are > quick and easy to use, and avoid having to use a torch in places with > flammable materials as well as are great in tight spaces. > > https://blog.supplyhouse.com/propress-fittings-better-than-soldering/#:~:text=Unlike%20soldering%2C%20ProPress%20fittings%20do,creates%20a%20strong%20seal%20regardless.=Unlike%20soldering%2C%20ProPress%20systems%20do,hot%20work%20permit%2C%20saves%20time. > > -D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I can see the advantages of those, but seems somewhat like a "sharkbite" in that it relies on an O-ring to make the seal, which will eventually start to leak years later. But I've had sweated copper joints eventually leak also, so I don't think anything is really permanent when it comes to household plumbing. On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, at 07:03, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > To clarify, they’re referred to as “copper press” fittings, I’m told. > Not cheap, nor are the crimping tools (+$2k) but they work well, are > quick and easy to use, and avoid having to use a torch in places with > flammable materials as well as are great in tight spaces. > > https://blog.supplyhouse.com/propress-fittings-better-than-soldering/#:~:text=Unlike%20soldering%2C%20ProPress%20fittings%20do,creates%20a%20strong%20seal%20regardless.=Unlike%20soldering%2C%20ProPress%20systems%20do,hot%20work%20permit%2C%20saves%20time. > > -D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Blowtorches like that Turner are what plumbers used to solder fittings, before bottled propane was widely available. My dad always called them a plumbers blowtorch; his father was a plumber (among other crafts) and had several. On Mon, Jul 31, 2023, at 23:26, Curt Raymond wrote: > I've got a variety of liquid fueled torches. I can't remember if this > little guy burns alcohol or gasoline: > https://photos.app.goo.gl/QikswMykEiNpxjT78 > I don't know what you'd use it for either but its kind of fun. > > This one is a Turner, it burns kerosene: > https://photos.app.goo.gl/9T8EshvpTqLzao6L6 > I suppose it'd probably burn gasoline too. > It won't explode I don't think. There is a ring around the pump that > has solder filled holes, if it gets too hot or too much pressure that > ring will blow out. Mine must have gotten too hot before I got it, I > had to spend a bunch of time carefully flowing some new solder into the > holes... > > Looks more impressive/frightening while preheating: > https://photos.app.goo.gl/FtcowU7YFjGBGiU98 > > Sounds pretty good too: https://photos.app.goo.gl/EM9Pq9PJDQ78a7sFA > > -Curt > > > On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 11:19:29 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > > > And no propane torches. Pump-up gasoline torches only. The occasional > explosion will only make you a manlier man. > > On Mon, Jul 31, 2023, at 20:56, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: >> What? You don't braze them? >> >> Randy >> >> On 7/31/2023 7:49 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: >>> Real men drive old diesel Mercedes and real houses are plumbed with >>> soldered copper. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Jul 31, 2023, at 2:59 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: I have a plumber in the family and they’re not keen about the Sharkbite fittings. A proper crimp with PEX or copper and Robert is your next of kin. -D > On Jul 31, 2023, at 11:55 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes > wrote: > > >> PEX ... (someone slamming a full open valve closed) they are letting >> loose. > Humph. Never happened with lead pipes... > > -- Jim > > > ___ > >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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To clarify, they’re referred to as “copper press” fittings, I’m told. Not cheap, nor are the crimping tools (+$2k) but they work well, are quick and easy to use, and avoid having to use a torch in places with flammable materials as well as are great in tight spaces. https://blog.supplyhouse.com/propress-fittings-better-than-soldering/#:~:text=Unlike%20soldering%2C%20ProPress%20fittings%20do,creates%20a%20strong%20seal%20regardless.=Unlike%20soldering%2C%20ProPress%20systems%20do,hot%20work%20permit%2C%20saves%20time. -D On Aug 1, 2023, at 7:55 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: Actually, a lot of plumbers no longer sweat solder copper. They use the crimp system that Milwaukee and others promote. It’s pretty slick stuff. -D On Jul 31, 2023, at 8:49 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: Real men drive old diesel Mercedes and real houses are plumbed with soldered copper. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2023, at 2:59 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: I have a plumber in the family and they’re not keen about the Sharkbite fittings. A proper crimp with PEX or copper and Robert is your next of kin. -D On Jul 31, 2023, at 11:55 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: PEX ... (someone slamming a full open valve closed) they are letting loose. Humph. Never happened with lead pipes... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Actually, a lot of plumbers no longer sweat solder copper. They use the crimp system that Milwaukee and others promote. It’s pretty slick stuff. -D > On Jul 31, 2023, at 8:49 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: > > Real men drive old diesel Mercedes and real houses are plumbed with soldered > copper. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 31, 2023, at 2:59 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I have a plumber in the family and they’re not keen about the Sharkbite >> fittings. A proper crimp with PEX or copper and Robert is your next of kin. >> >> -D >> >> On Jul 31, 2023, at 11:55 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> PEX ... (someone slamming a full open valve closed) they are letting loose. >>> >>> Humph. Never happened with lead pipes... >>> >>> -- Jim >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I've got a variety of liquid fueled torches. I can't remember if this little guy burns alcohol or gasoline: https://photos.app.goo.gl/QikswMykEiNpxjT78 I don't know what you'd use it for either but its kind of fun. This one is a Turner, it burns kerosene: https://photos.app.goo.gl/9T8EshvpTqLzao6L6 I suppose it'd probably burn gasoline too. It won't explode I don't think. There is a ring around the pump that has solder filled holes, if it gets too hot or too much pressure that ring will blow out. Mine must have gotten too hot before I got it, I had to spend a bunch of time carefully flowing some new solder into the holes... Looks more impressive/frightening while preheating: https://photos.app.goo.gl/FtcowU7YFjGBGiU98 Sounds pretty good too: https://photos.app.goo.gl/EM9Pq9PJDQ78a7sFA -Curt On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 11:19:29 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: And no propane torches. Pump-up gasoline torches only. The occasional explosion will only make you a manlier man. On Mon, Jul 31, 2023, at 20:56, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: > What? You don't braze them? > > Randy > > On 7/31/2023 7:49 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: >> Real men drive old diesel Mercedes and real houses are plumbed with soldered >> copper. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 31, 2023, at 2:59 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> I have a plumber in the family and they’re not keen about the Sharkbite >>> fittings. A proper crimp with PEX or copper and Robert is your next of kin. >>> >>> -D >>> >>> On Jul 31, 2023, at 11:55 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: > PEX ... (someone slamming a full open valve closed) they are letting > loose. Humph. Never happened with lead pipes... -- Jim ___ > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have Aussies in class this week (7pm to midnight), its winter time for them. I asked "What does winter in Sydney really mean?" Turns out its low to mid 50s for overnight lows. Not unlike our overnight low here... -Curt On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 11:19:01 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: AZBOB.. It was only 82F at sunrise this morning in Phoenix... I had to get a parka to run the Zamboni on the ice in the pool, before the junior hockey league came over for morning practice.. hahaha.. Nice cool day.. with dry heat... perfect day in Desert Paradise. On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 8:51 AM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Many folks utilized PEX in the spaces below their manufactured homes out > here. They have learned that when the ambient temperature stays stupid hot > that the connections get squishy and at the first small system perturbation > (someone slamming a full open valve closed) they are letting loose. > I don’t know enough about PEX to know if that would be due to shoddy > assembly in the first place made worse by the heat or if the heat weakens a > correctly assembled system. > BTW…our 31 consecutive days of >110 degrees F will likely end today. > > AZBob > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 31, 2023, at 8:30 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Yes if I ever need to re-plumb a house I will be using PEX. > > > > Brother-in-Law is a fan of the "Sharkbite" fittings but they cost a lot > and I don't really trust them long term compared to a properly cemented or > soldered connection, their claims notwithstanding. I know a lot of > "handyman" types use them because it saves time and the customer is paying > for the fitting so they don't care. > > > > > >> On Mon, Jul 31, 2023, at 08:18, Curt Raymond wrote: > >> This is in part why I've gone over to PEX, put the fitting in, crimp > it, done... > >> > >> -Curt > >> > >> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:44:34 PM EDT, Allan Streib via > >> Mercedes wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> I really, really, really hate plumbing. > >> > >> Need to install a T fitting on a line in the basement. Shut the water > >> off, opened the upstairs taps, opened the downstairs outside faucet > >> (lowest drain point in the house). Cut the pipe for the fitting, > >> waiting like an hour now and it's still dripping. PVC so it needs to be > >> dry to cement it. > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes, it was beautiful this morning. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 31, 2023, at 8:19 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > AZBOB.. > It was only 82F at sunrise this morning in Phoenix... I had to get a parka > to run the Zamboni on the ice in the pool, before the junior hockey league > came over for morning practice.. hahaha.. > Nice cool day.. with dry heat... perfect day in Desert Paradise. > >> On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 8:51 AM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> Many folks utilized PEX in the spaces below their manufactured homes out >> here. They have learned that when the ambient temperature stays stupid hot >> that the connections get squishy and at the first small system perturbation >> (someone slamming a full open valve closed) they are letting loose. >> I don’t know enough about PEX to know if that would be due to shoddy >> assembly in the first place made worse by the heat or if the heat weakens a >> correctly assembled system. >> BTW…our 31 consecutive days of >110 degrees F will likely end today. >> >> AZBob >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 31, 2023, at 8:30 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> Yes if I ever need to re-plumb a house I will be using PEX. >>> >>> Brother-in-Law is a fan of the "Sharkbite" fittings but they cost a lot >> and I don't really trust them long term compared to a properly cemented or >> soldered connection, their claims notwithstanding. I know a lot of >> "handyman" types use them because it saves time and the customer is paying >> for the fitting so they don't care. >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 31, 2023, at 08:18, Curt Raymond wrote: This is in part why I've gone over to PEX, put the fitting in, crimp >> it, done... -Curt On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:44:34 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: I really, really, really hate plumbing. Need to install a T fitting on a line in the basement. Shut the water off, opened the upstairs taps, opened the downstairs outside faucet (lowest drain point in the house). Cut the pipe for the fitting, waiting like an hour now and it's still dripping. PVC so it needs to be dry to cement it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And no propane torches. Pump-up gasoline torches only. The occasional explosion will only make you a manlier man. On Mon, Jul 31, 2023, at 20:56, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: > What? You don't braze them? > > Randy > > On 7/31/2023 7:49 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: >> Real men drive old diesel Mercedes and real houses are plumbed with soldered >> copper. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 31, 2023, at 2:59 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> I have a plumber in the family and they’re not keen about the Sharkbite >>> fittings. A proper crimp with PEX or copper and Robert is your next of kin. >>> >>> -D >>> >>> On Jul 31, 2023, at 11:55 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: > PEX ... (someone slamming a full open valve closed) they are letting > loose. Humph. Never happened with lead pipes... -- Jim ___ > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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AZBOB.. It was only 82F at sunrise this morning in Phoenix... I had to get a parka to run the Zamboni on the ice in the pool, before the junior hockey league came over for morning practice.. hahaha.. Nice cool day.. with dry heat... perfect day in Desert Paradise. On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 8:51 AM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Many folks utilized PEX in the spaces below their manufactured homes out > here. They have learned that when the ambient temperature stays stupid hot > that the connections get squishy and at the first small system perturbation > (someone slamming a full open valve closed) they are letting loose. > I don’t know enough about PEX to know if that would be due to shoddy > assembly in the first place made worse by the heat or if the heat weakens a > correctly assembled system. > BTW…our 31 consecutive days of >110 degrees F will likely end today. > > AZBob > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 31, 2023, at 8:30 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Yes if I ever need to re-plumb a house I will be using PEX. > > > > Brother-in-Law is a fan of the "Sharkbite" fittings but they cost a lot > and I don't really trust them long term compared to a properly cemented or > soldered connection, their claims notwithstanding. I know a lot of > "handyman" types use them because it saves time and the customer is paying > for the fitting so they don't care. > > > > > >> On Mon, Jul 31, 2023, at 08:18, Curt Raymond wrote: > >> This is in part why I've gone over to PEX, put the fitting in, crimp > it, done... > >> > >> -Curt > >> > >> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:44:34 PM EDT, Allan Streib via > >> Mercedes wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> I really, really, really hate plumbing. > >> > >> Need to install a T fitting on a line in the basement. Shut the water > >> off, opened the upstairs taps, opened the downstairs outside faucet > >> (lowest drain point in the house). Cut the pipe for the fitting, > >> waiting like an hour now and it's still dripping. PVC so it needs to be > >> dry to cement it. > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What? You don't braze them? Randy On 7/31/2023 7:49 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: Real men drive old diesel Mercedes and real houses are plumbed with soldered copper. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2023, at 2:59 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: I have a plumber in the family and they’re not keen about the Sharkbite fittings. A proper crimp with PEX or copper and Robert is your next of kin. -D On Jul 31, 2023, at 11:55 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: PEX ... (someone slamming a full open valve closed) they are letting loose. Humph. Never happened with lead pipes... -- Jim ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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say on Dimitri. On Mon, Jul 31, 2023, 8:50 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Real men drive old diesel Mercedes and real houses are plumbed with > soldered copper. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 31, 2023, at 2:59 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > I have a plumber in the family and they’re not keen about the Sharkbite > fittings. A proper crimp with PEX or copper and Robert is your next of kin. > > > > -D > > > > > >> On Jul 31, 2023, at 11:55 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >>> > >>> PEX ... (someone slamming a full open valve closed) they are letting > loose. > >> > >> Humph. Never happened with lead pipes... > >> > >> -- Jim > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hate plumbing
Real men drive old diesel Mercedes and real houses are plumbed with soldered copper. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 31, 2023, at 2:59 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > I have a plumber in the family and they’re not keen about the Sharkbite > fittings. A proper crimp with PEX or copper and Robert is your next of kin. > > -D > > >> On Jul 31, 2023, at 11:55 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> >>> >>> PEX ... (someone slamming a full open valve closed) they are letting loose. >> >> Humph. Never happened with lead pipes... >> >> -- Jim >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hate plumbing
I have a plumber in the family and they’re not keen about the Sharkbite fittings. A proper crimp with PEX or copper and Robert is your next of kin. -D > On Jul 31, 2023, at 11:55 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes > wrote: > > >> >> PEX ... (someone slamming a full open valve closed) they are letting loose. > > Humph. Never happened with lead pipes... > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hate plumbing
The metal fittings the PEX goes over can/will split if there is water in them and they freeze ... On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 10:58 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I agree in not trusting sharkbite fittings. Sadly it's probably one of > those things where 99% of the time they work fine but I don't want to be in > the 1%. > I MIGHT use one as a "get by" solution. Leaky pipe, don't have time to do > a proper fix today? Slap on a sharkbite and fix later, but not long term. > > A couple years ago I replaced a bunch of the copper pipes in our house > with new copper. Then last year I did the house up north with PEX, I'll > never do copper again. Especially after this year I had to cut some of the > PEX out of the house up north and discovered that I hadn't gotten all of > the water out. It had frozen and hadn't damaged anything. I'm sold... > > -Curt > > > On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 11:29:28 AM EDT, Allan Streib < > astr...@fastmail.fm> wrote: > > > > > > Yes if I ever need to re-plumb a house I will be using PEX. > > Brother-in-Law is a fan of the "Sharkbite" fittings but they cost a lot > and I don't really trust them long term compared to a properly cemented or > soldered connection, their claims notwithstanding. I know a lot of > "handyman" types use them because it saves time and the customer is paying > for the fitting so they don't care. > > > On Mon, Jul 31, 2023, at 08:18, Curt Raymond wrote: > > This is in part why I've gone over to PEX, put the fitting in, crimp it, > done... > > > > -Curt > > > > On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:44:34 PM EDT, Allan Streib via > > Mercedes wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I really, really, really hate plumbing. > > > > Need to install a T fitting on a line in the basement. Shut the water > > off, opened the upstairs taps, opened the downstairs outside faucet > > (lowest drain point in the house). Cut the pipe for the fitting, > > waiting like an hour now and it's still dripping. PVC so it needs to be > > dry to cement it. > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Quality of life is inversely proportional to the amount of clothing you are wearing." "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Werner Von Braun "In science if you know what you are doing you should not be doing it. In engineering if you do not know what you are doing you should not be doing it." -- Richard W. Hamming, The Art of Doing Science and Engineering 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hate plumbing
That sounds like PEX A which is stretched over the fitting and held on with another ring of (formerly stretched) PEX. I've wondered if that would be an issue. They SAY PEX wants to return to it's original shape but I've wondered. PEX B gets held on with a metal ring. I used copper because I like the look of the copper better than the stainless steel. It's also easier to get the copper off if you make a mistake. I'm well aware of my ability to make mistakes... -Curt On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 11:51:06 AM EDT, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: Many folks utilized PEX in the spaces below their manufactured homes out here. They have learned that when the ambient temperature stays stupid hot that the connections get squishy and at the first small system perturbation (someone slamming a full open valve closed) they are letting loose. I don’t know enough about PEX to know if that would be due to shoddy assembly in the first place made worse by the heat or if the heat weakens a correctly assembled system. BTW…our 31 consecutive days of >110 degrees F will likely end today. AZBob Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 31, 2023, at 8:30 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > Yes if I ever need to re-plumb a house I will be using PEX. > > Brother-in-Law is a fan of the "Sharkbite" fittings but they cost a lot and I > don't really trust them long term compared to a properly cemented or soldered > connection, their claims notwithstanding. I know a lot of "handyman" types > use them because it saves time and the customer is paying for the fitting so > they don't care. > > >> On Mon, Jul 31, 2023, at 08:18, Curt Raymond wrote: >> This is in part why I've gone over to PEX, put the fitting in, crimp it, >> done... >> >> -Curt >> >> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:44:34 PM EDT, Allan Streib via >> Mercedes wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> I really, really, really hate plumbing. >> >> Need to install a T fitting on a line in the basement. Shut the water >> off, opened the upstairs taps, opened the downstairs outside faucet >> (lowest drain point in the house). Cut the pipe for the fitting, >> waiting like an hour now and it's still dripping. PVC so it needs to be >> dry to cement it. >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hate plumbing
PVC pipes get brittle as they age also. Copper and soldered joints can corrode. No such thing as "permanent" plumbing at least not for what most people would be able to afford. If PEX is good for domestic hot water (usually hotter than 110F) I would think it would be good for warm ambient temps. But probably not forever. On Mon, Jul 31, 2023, at 10:50, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: > Many folks utilized PEX in the spaces below their manufactured homes > out here. They have learned that when the ambient temperature stays > stupid hot that the connections get squishy and at the first small > system perturbation (someone slamming a full open valve closed) they > are letting loose. > I don’t know enough about PEX to know if that would be due to shoddy > assembly in the first place made worse by the heat or if the heat > weakens a correctly assembled system. > BTW…our 31 consecutive days of >110 degrees F will likely end today. > > AZBob > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 31, 2023, at 8:30 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Yes if I ever need to re-plumb a house I will be using PEX. >> >> Brother-in-Law is a fan of the "Sharkbite" fittings but they cost a lot and >> I don't really trust them long term compared to a properly cemented or >> soldered connection, their claims notwithstanding. I know a lot of >> "handyman" types use them because it saves time and the customer is paying >> for the fitting so they don't care. >> >> >>> On Mon, Jul 31, 2023, at 08:18, Curt Raymond wrote: >>> This is in part why I've gone over to PEX, put the fitting in, crimp it, >>> done... >>> >>> -Curt >>> >>> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:44:34 PM EDT, Allan Streib via >>> Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I really, really, really hate plumbing. >>> >>> Need to install a T fitting on a line in the basement. Shut the water >>> off, opened the upstairs taps, opened the downstairs outside faucet >>> (lowest drain point in the house). Cut the pipe for the fitting, >>> waiting like an hour now and it's still dripping. PVC so it needs to be >>> dry to cement it. >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hate plumbing
I agree in not trusting sharkbite fittings. Sadly it's probably one of those things where 99% of the time they work fine but I don't want to be in the 1%. I MIGHT use one as a "get by" solution. Leaky pipe, don't have time to do a proper fix today? Slap on a sharkbite and fix later, but not long term. A couple years ago I replaced a bunch of the copper pipes in our house with new copper. Then last year I did the house up north with PEX, I'll never do copper again. Especially after this year I had to cut some of the PEX out of the house up north and discovered that I hadn't gotten all of the water out. It had frozen and hadn't damaged anything. I'm sold... -Curt On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 11:29:28 AM EDT, Allan Streib wrote: Yes if I ever need to re-plumb a house I will be using PEX. Brother-in-Law is a fan of the "Sharkbite" fittings but they cost a lot and I don't really trust them long term compared to a properly cemented or soldered connection, their claims notwithstanding. I know a lot of "handyman" types use them because it saves time and the customer is paying for the fitting so they don't care. On Mon, Jul 31, 2023, at 08:18, Curt Raymond wrote: > This is in part why I've gone over to PEX, put the fitting in, crimp it, > done... > > -Curt > > On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:44:34 PM EDT, Allan Streib via > Mercedes wrote: > > > > > > I really, really, really hate plumbing. > > Need to install a T fitting on a line in the basement. Shut the water > off, opened the upstairs taps, opened the downstairs outside faucet > (lowest drain point in the house). Cut the pipe for the fitting, > waiting like an hour now and it's still dripping. PVC so it needs to be > dry to cement it. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hate plumbing
> PEX ... (someone slamming a full open valve closed) they are letting loose. Humph. Never happened with lead pipes... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hate plumbing
Many folks utilized PEX in the spaces below their manufactured homes out here. They have learned that when the ambient temperature stays stupid hot that the connections get squishy and at the first small system perturbation (someone slamming a full open valve closed) they are letting loose. I don’t know enough about PEX to know if that would be due to shoddy assembly in the first place made worse by the heat or if the heat weakens a correctly assembled system. BTW…our 31 consecutive days of >110 degrees F will likely end today. AZBob Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 31, 2023, at 8:30 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > Yes if I ever need to re-plumb a house I will be using PEX. > > Brother-in-Law is a fan of the "Sharkbite" fittings but they cost a lot and I > don't really trust them long term compared to a properly cemented or soldered > connection, their claims notwithstanding. I know a lot of "handyman" types > use them because it saves time and the customer is paying for the fitting so > they don't care. > > >> On Mon, Jul 31, 2023, at 08:18, Curt Raymond wrote: >> This is in part why I've gone over to PEX, put the fitting in, crimp it, >> done... >> >> -Curt >> >> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:44:34 PM EDT, Allan Streib via >> Mercedes wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> I really, really, really hate plumbing. >> >> Need to install a T fitting on a line in the basement. Shut the water >> off, opened the upstairs taps, opened the downstairs outside faucet >> (lowest drain point in the house). Cut the pipe for the fitting, >> waiting like an hour now and it's still dripping. PVC so it needs to be >> dry to cement it. >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hate plumbing
Yes if I ever need to re-plumb a house I will be using PEX. Brother-in-Law is a fan of the "Sharkbite" fittings but they cost a lot and I don't really trust them long term compared to a properly cemented or soldered connection, their claims notwithstanding. I know a lot of "handyman" types use them because it saves time and the customer is paying for the fitting so they don't care. On Mon, Jul 31, 2023, at 08:18, Curt Raymond wrote: > This is in part why I've gone over to PEX, put the fitting in, crimp it, > done... > > -Curt > > On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:44:34 PM EDT, Allan Streib via > Mercedes wrote: > > > > > > I really, really, really hate plumbing. > > Need to install a T fitting on a line in the basement. Shut the water > off, opened the upstairs taps, opened the downstairs outside faucet > (lowest drain point in the house). Cut the pipe for the fitting, > waiting like an hour now and it's still dripping. PVC so it needs to be > dry to cement it. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hate plumbing
This is in part why I've gone over to PEX, put the fitting in, crimp it, done... -Curt On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:44:34 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: I really, really, really hate plumbing. Need to install a T fitting on a line in the basement. Shut the water off, opened the upstairs taps, opened the downstairs outside faucet (lowest drain point in the house). Cut the pipe for the fitting, waiting like an hour now and it's still dripping. PVC so it needs to be dry to cement it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hate plumbing
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 21:51:25 -0500 "Allan Streib" wrote: > On Sat, Jul 29, 2023, at 21:48, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > > > Stuff a piece of bread in the dripping pipe, wipe the pipe dry, and go > > for it. > > Yeah I've heard of that trick. Never tried it, won't it clog downstream > faucets, toilet tank valves, or anything? Run water through the pipe to the appliance with the largest valve and the bread will be ripped apart and the pieces will come out with the water. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hate plumbing
On Sat, Jul 29, 2023, at 21:48, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > Stuff a piece of bread in the dripping pipe, wipe the pipe dry, and go > for it. Yeah I've heard of that trick. Never tried it, won't it clog downstream faucets, toilet tank valves, or anything? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hate plumbing
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 21:42:38 -0500 Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: > I really, really, really hate plumbing. > > Need to install a T fitting on a line in the basement. Shut the water > off, opened the upstairs taps, opened the downstairs outside faucet > (lowest drain point in the house). Cut the pipe for the fitting, > waiting like an hour now and it's still dripping. PVC so it needs to be > dry to cement it. Stuff a piece of bread in the dripping pipe, wipe the pipe dry, and go for it. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: I hate plumbing
I really, really, really hate plumbing. Need to install a T fitting on a line in the basement. Shut the water off, opened the upstairs taps, opened the downstairs outside faucet (lowest drain point in the house). Cut the pipe for the fitting, waiting like an hour now and it's still dripping. PVC so it needs to be dry to cement it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
