Re: [MBZ] OT: I hope I don't lose my membership
On 04/04/2023 7:32 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Where my parents live in southern Maine the only way to get an effective ground is the water service entrance. For some reason their clay soil resists the use of a regular ground rod... -Curt That is how it is here in Winnipeg as well. The ground in my house is attached to the copper water line coming in to the meter in the basement. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hope I don't lose my membership
Because of the rocky and somewhat porous “soil” around the Flagstaff house they have to bond to a grounded utility connection. My gas meter is a lot closer than my water meter. I don’t think you could drive a ground rod into the ground here, and if you could you would be in cinders, a lousy grounding medium. -D > On Apr 4, 2023, at 8:32 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > > Where my parents live in southern Maine the only way to get an effective > ground is the water service entrance. For some reason their clay soil resists > the use of a regular ground rod... > > -Curt > > > > > On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 04:42:51 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > > > Mine is a bare #4 copper wire run along the side of the house and then > clamped on to the natural gas line. > > -D > >> On Apr 4, 2023, at 4:38 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> correct. I have a 10ft copper rod driven into the ground near the main >> shutoff. >> >> --FT >> >> On 4/4/23 4:05 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: >>> One thing that's important when you have sub-panels is that neutral and >>> ground should only be "bonded" at the main service entrance. And I believe >>> you should only have one earth connection (water pipe or grounding rod) >>> also at the main panel. Check code or ask an electrician but weird things >>> can happen if you have multiple paths to ground. >> >> -- >> --FT >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hope I don't lose my membership
It's dammed hard to get replacement breakers for our old panel. They're Easton but some old type that they don't use much anymore. The 15a breaker that feeds the garage had gotten tired and would trip if I even thought about using the welder. It took me a bunch of searching to find a new replacement. Small panels aren't terribly expensive. -Curt On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 04:58:33 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: On 04/04/2023 12:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > Hmm, I was thinking about having my existing 100a service upgraded with a new > panel but now I'm thinking this is a way better idea. A new 200a service and > panel which feeds my existing 100a panel plus a sub panel in the garage. > > I'd been scared off the idea by people telling me it'd be very expensive to > replace my existing panel but making my existing a sub panel of the new one > would seem like it'd be a lot cheaper... > > -Curt How about removing your existing 100 Amp panel in favour of a big 200 Amp panel with lots of space for breakers and then installing your existing 100 Amp panel in the garage? You can feed the garage subpanel with smaller breakers than 100 Amp since the main breakers in the garage will just be a switch and the panel will be protected by the breakers in the new panel in the house. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hope I don't lose my membership
Where my parents live in southern Maine the only way to get an effective ground is the water service entrance. For some reason their clay soil resists the use of a regular ground rod... -Curt On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 04:42:51 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: Mine is a bare #4 copper wire run along the side of the house and then clamped on to the natural gas line. -D > On Apr 4, 2023, at 4:38 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes > wrote: > > correct. I have a 10ft copper rod driven into the ground near the main > shutoff. > > --FT > > On 4/4/23 4:05 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: >> One thing that's important when you have sub-panels is that neutral and >> ground should only be "bonded" at the main service entrance. And I believe >> you should only have one earth connection (water pipe or grounding rod) also >> at the main panel. Check code or ask an electrician but weird things can >> happen if you have multiple paths to ground. > > -- > --FT > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hope I don't lose my membership
> I’m just about out of empty slots at the Florida house, meaning that I would > have to give something up if I wanted to put a mini-split in the garage. I’ve > got a double breaker feeding a twist-loc receptacle for my compressor that I > could give up. Sub-panels. They can go just about anywhere, you don't have to give up anything you don't want to. If you've got the physical space. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hope I don't lose my membership
> Maybe different practices in different parts of the country? Also, one shouldn't discount the possibility that there's an un-advertised conflation of "That isn't done" and "WE don't do that." -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hope I don't lose my membership
On 04/04/2023 12:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Hmm, I was thinking about having my existing 100a service upgraded with a new panel but now I'm thinking this is a way better idea. A new 200a service and panel which feeds my existing 100a panel plus a sub panel in the garage. I'd been scared off the idea by people telling me it'd be very expensive to replace my existing panel but making my existing a sub panel of the new one would seem like it'd be a lot cheaper... -Curt How about removing your existing 100 Amp panel in favour of a big 200 Amp panel with lots of space for breakers and then installing your existing 100 Amp panel in the garage? You can feed the garage subpanel with smaller breakers than 100 Amp since the main breakers in the garage will just be a switch and the panel will be protected by the breakers in the new panel in the house. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hope I don't lose my membership
Mine is a bare #4 copper wire run along the side of the house and then clamped on to the natural gas line. -D > On Apr 4, 2023, at 4:38 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes > wrote: > > correct. I have a 10ft copper rod driven into the ground near the main > shutoff. > > --FT > > On 4/4/23 4:05 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: >> One thing that's important when you have sub-panels is that neutral and >> ground should only be "bonded" at the main service entrance. And I believe >> you should only have one earth connection (water pipe or grounding rod) also >> at the main panel. Check code or ask an electrician but weird things can >> happen if you have multiple paths to ground. > > -- > --FT > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hope I don't lose my membership
correct. I have a 10ft copper rod driven into the ground near the main shutoff. --FT On 4/4/23 4:05 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: One thing that's important when you have sub-panels is that neutral and ground should only be "bonded" at the main service entrance. And I believe you should only have one earth connection (water pipe or grounding rod) also at the main panel. Check code or ask an electrician but weird things can happen if you have multiple paths to ground. -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hope I don't lose my membership
One thing that's important when you have sub-panels is that neutral and ground should only be "bonded" at the main service entrance. And I believe you should only have one earth connection (water pipe or grounding rod) also at the main panel. Check code or ask an electrician but weird things can happen if you have multiple paths to ground. On Tue, Apr 4, 2023, at 13:35, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: > When I built my addition I had the electric company run new cable from > the pole to the house and boost it up to 300A, which apparently is > standard for new services. I am feeding 2-200A panels off the meter > box, one in the addition and one in the old part of the house. The old > panel was also 200A but when I went to hook it up I realized that > whenever it was put in (late 70s I think) they did not run a separate > ground (or neutral, I forget which), it was only 2 hots and a > neutral/ground which is no longer code. I had been feeding this old > cable off my temp pole panel and that was OK for then since it was not > yet "new." > > I had to go buy a new panel and run cable (2 hots + N and G, that stuff > is HEAVY!!!) from the new outside 200A shut-off for this panel. I still > had my kitchen and fridge and lights and everything hooked to this panel > as I had not run any circuits yet to the new panel in the addition. I > called up Inspection Services and explained all this and they said to > let them know when I needed an inspection and they would get someone > over right quick to approve it so the electric co could do their thing. > > I started real early and pulled the old panel, put in a new 200A panel > with all new breakers, hooked the feed to it, and wired in all my "old" > circuits. Took a few hours to do but then I called for the inspector, > she was working down the road and showed up in about 30min, said it > looked really good, and signed off. I then had to call the electric co > to come hot up the new service, they showed up right quick and I had > electrons flowing through all new stuff! > > So now I have some extra spaces in the "old" box should I need to run > anything else in the house. I pulled out the old oven circuit and a > couple of general purpose circuits that the old kitchen used so that > freed up 4 slots too. I probably should have run some cable into the > panel to feed the garage with a new 60A (or something) circuit but since > I was under time crunch I didn't do that. Easy enough to do later I > guess but I would have to fish the cable up into the panel. > > I did all my wiring, the inspectors said I did an excellent job (and > better than some of the crap they see in the new developments), the only > issue was one guy said I needed some new type of enclosure box for my > outdoor outlets on the addition which was easy enough to do. One of the > outside main breaker boxes has spaces for circuit breakers so I put in I > think a 60A and some cable to a box to feed another subpanel if I need > it under the addition for whatever stuff I might want. > > --FT > > On 4/4/23 2:05 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: >> I suspect > > -- > --FT > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hope I don't lose my membership
I had a 400A underground service at the megahouse in Indiana. It came into the house and split into two 200A panels. The panels were on the basement wall in my workshop, which made it really nice when it came time to wire up all my woodworking equipment. I’m just about out of empty slots at the Florida house, meaning that I would have to give something up if I wanted to put a mini-split in the garage. I’ve got a double breaker feeding a twist-loc receptacle for my compressor that I could give up. -D > On Apr 4, 2023, at 2:46 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes > wrote: > >> Hmm, I didn't even realize 300a service was a thing. > > My mid-70's all-electric house had (has) a 225A service. When we moved the > meter, in order to eliminate the second service drop that had only the well > on it, > they had to use 400A service components, as the 'next step' up. Considerably > more expensive. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hope I don't lose my membership
That's interesting, I had asked about 400A service (2-200A panels) but they said for residential they do 300A now which is fine to feed 2-200A. Maybe different practices in different parts of the country? Or maybe all the stuff is rated for 400A and they just put in a 300A meter box. I don't recall exactly how they organized it. --FT On 4/4/23 2:46 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: Hmm, I didn't even realize 300a service was a thing. My mid-70's all-electric house had (has) a 225A service. When we moved the meter, in order to eliminate the second service drop that had only the well on it, they had to use 400A service components, as the 'next step' up. Considerably more expensive. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hope I don't lose my membership
The old service was 200A cable from the pole to the main breaker. It's underground maybe 150ft run or so. I had actually dug maybe 60ft of the trench by hand down to the old cable, and another trench to the new meter box, they did the rest from the end of what I dug to the pole with a trencher. It was about 4ft deep. All sand here so easy digging. The electric co guys put in a new distribution box at the base of the pole they ran cable to from the transformer, then ran the cable from that to the house meter box but left it unattached at that distribution box until I got inspection sign-off then they just came and attached it and popped in the meter, took about 15min, and all was good. --FT On 4/4/23 2:39 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Hmm, I didn't even realize 300a service was a thing. Makes sense though, what with all the electric doo-dads and gee gaws folks are using these days. -Curt On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 02:36:29 PM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: When I built my addition I had the electric company run new cable from the pole to the house and boost it up to 300A, which apparently is standard for new services. I am feeding 2-200A panels off the meter box, one in the addition and one in the old part of the house. The old panel was also 200A but when I went to hook it up I realized that whenever it was put in (late 70s I think) they did not run a separate ground (or neutral, I forget which), it was only 2 hots and a neutral/ground which is no longer code. I had been feeding this old cable off my temp pole panel and that was OK for then since it was not yet "new." I had to go buy a new panel and run cable (2 hots + N and G, that stuff is HEAVY!!!) from the new outside 200A shut-off for this panel. I still had my kitchen and fridge and lights and everything hooked to this panel as I had not run any circuits yet to the new panel in the addition. I called up Inspection Services and explained all this and they said to let them know when I needed an inspection and they would get someone over right quick to approve it so the electric co could do their thing. I started real early and pulled the old panel, put in a new 200A panel with all new breakers, hooked the feed to it, and wired in all my "old" circuits. Took a few hours to do but then I called for the inspector, she was working down the road and showed up in about 30min, said it looked really good, and signed off. I then had to call the electric co to come hot up the new service, they showed up right quick and I had electrons flowing through all new stuff! So now I have some extra spaces in the "old" box should I need to run anything else in the house. I pulled out the old oven circuit and a couple of general purpose circuits that the old kitchen used so that freed up 4 slots too. I probably should have run some cable into the panel to feed the garage with a new 60A (or something) circuit but since I was under time crunch I didn't do that. Easy enough to do later I guess but I would have to fish the cable up into the panel. I did all my wiring, the inspectors said I did an excellent job (and better than some of the crap they see in the new developments), the only issue was one guy said I needed some new type of enclosure box for my outdoor outlets on the addition which was easy enough to do. One of the outside main breaker boxes has spaces for circuit breakers so I put in I think a 60A and some cable to a box to feed another subpanel if I need it under the addition for whatever stuff I might want. --FT On 4/4/23 2:05 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I suspect -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hope I don't lose my membership
> Hmm, I didn't even realize 300a service was a thing. My mid-70's all-electric house had (has) a 225A service. When we moved the meter, in order to eliminate the second service drop that had only the well on it, they had to use 400A service components, as the 'next step' up. Considerably more expensive. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hope I don't lose my membership
Hmm, I didn't even realize 300a service was a thing. Makes sense though, what with all the electric doo-dads and gee gaws folks are using these days. -Curt On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 02:36:29 PM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: When I built my addition I had the electric company run new cable from the pole to the house and boost it up to 300A, which apparently is standard for new services. I am feeding 2-200A panels off the meter box, one in the addition and one in the old part of the house. The old panel was also 200A but when I went to hook it up I realized that whenever it was put in (late 70s I think) they did not run a separate ground (or neutral, I forget which), it was only 2 hots and a neutral/ground which is no longer code. I had been feeding this old cable off my temp pole panel and that was OK for then since it was not yet "new." I had to go buy a new panel and run cable (2 hots + N and G, that stuff is HEAVY!!!) from the new outside 200A shut-off for this panel. I still had my kitchen and fridge and lights and everything hooked to this panel as I had not run any circuits yet to the new panel in the addition. I called up Inspection Services and explained all this and they said to let them know when I needed an inspection and they would get someone over right quick to approve it so the electric co could do their thing. I started real early and pulled the old panel, put in a new 200A panel with all new breakers, hooked the feed to it, and wired in all my "old" circuits. Took a few hours to do but then I called for the inspector, she was working down the road and showed up in about 30min, said it looked really good, and signed off. I then had to call the electric co to come hot up the new service, they showed up right quick and I had electrons flowing through all new stuff! So now I have some extra spaces in the "old" box should I need to run anything else in the house. I pulled out the old oven circuit and a couple of general purpose circuits that the old kitchen used so that freed up 4 slots too. I probably should have run some cable into the panel to feed the garage with a new 60A (or something) circuit but since I was under time crunch I didn't do that. Easy enough to do later I guess but I would have to fish the cable up into the panel. I did all my wiring, the inspectors said I did an excellent job (and better than some of the crap they see in the new developments), the only issue was one guy said I needed some new type of enclosure box for my outdoor outlets on the addition which was easy enough to do. One of the outside main breaker boxes has spaces for circuit breakers so I put in I think a 60A and some cable to a box to feed another subpanel if I need it under the addition for whatever stuff I might want. --FT On 4/4/23 2:05 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > I suspect -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hope I don't lose my membership
When I built my addition I had the electric company run new cable from the pole to the house and boost it up to 300A, which apparently is standard for new services. I am feeding 2-200A panels off the meter box, one in the addition and one in the old part of the house. The old panel was also 200A but when I went to hook it up I realized that whenever it was put in (late 70s I think) they did not run a separate ground (or neutral, I forget which), it was only 2 hots and a neutral/ground which is no longer code. I had been feeding this old cable off my temp pole panel and that was OK for then since it was not yet "new." I had to go buy a new panel and run cable (2 hots + N and G, that stuff is HEAVY!!!) from the new outside 200A shut-off for this panel. I still had my kitchen and fridge and lights and everything hooked to this panel as I had not run any circuits yet to the new panel in the addition. I called up Inspection Services and explained all this and they said to let them know when I needed an inspection and they would get someone over right quick to approve it so the electric co could do their thing. I started real early and pulled the old panel, put in a new 200A panel with all new breakers, hooked the feed to it, and wired in all my "old" circuits. Took a few hours to do but then I called for the inspector, she was working down the road and showed up in about 30min, said it looked really good, and signed off. I then had to call the electric co to come hot up the new service, they showed up right quick and I had electrons flowing through all new stuff! So now I have some extra spaces in the "old" box should I need to run anything else in the house. I pulled out the old oven circuit and a couple of general purpose circuits that the old kitchen used so that freed up 4 slots too. I probably should have run some cable into the panel to feed the garage with a new 60A (or something) circuit but since I was under time crunch I didn't do that. Easy enough to do later I guess but I would have to fish the cable up into the panel. I did all my wiring, the inspectors said I did an excellent job (and better than some of the crap they see in the new developments), the only issue was one guy said I needed some new type of enclosure box for my outdoor outlets on the addition which was easy enough to do. One of the outside main breaker boxes has spaces for circuit breakers so I put in I think a 60A and some cable to a box to feed another subpanel if I need it under the addition for whatever stuff I might want. --FT On 4/4/23 2:05 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I suspect -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hope I don't lose my membership
Sounds like I need to bring in an electrician to get a real sense of what can be done. This has given me much to think about. Fortunately the vast northern estate already has a big 200A panel with (now) only 4 circuits used in it. -Curt On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 02:17:20 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: I may be wrong, but there were a number of what I would call “unprofessional” updates on the AZ house and they didn’t make any noise about it. The distribution panel was on the back (exterior) wall of the house, a little bitty 100A panel full of “split” breakers, that is, two breakers in one section if that makes sense. A lot of stuff had been rewired and moved around since the house was built in 1975, so to say the panel was outdated was an understatement. To make things worse, when a deck and later an addition was added to the back of the house, the floor of the deck was right where the distribution panel was. So that meant that the distribution panel, which had a lid that hinged up, was right at the floor level of the deck. To see and get into it you literally had to lay on the deck and look straight ahead into the panel to see the breakers. The electrician I hired brought the panel around the side of the house, which was within a foot or two of the old panel which was right at the corner of the house. They had to change the location of the weatherhead, so the old one was removed and the roof patched where it had penetrated the roof. The new meter box and distribution panel are standard NEMA 3R panels and are easy to access. The only real bummer is that they just relabeled the new breakers to match the old ones. I’ve got a circuit tracer I am planning on using to map the circuits when I have the time so they’re relabeled and accurate as to what they serve. -D > On Apr 4, 2023, at 2:05 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > > I suspect that if somebody touches my panel they'll find a bunch of stuff > that needs replacing. The upstairs wiring is pretty legit but I think the > previous owner did a lot of the basement wiring himself. > > -Curt > > On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 01:55:09 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > > > The electricians that did mine did it in a day. Started about 8:30, were done > by 4:00. Part of the planning was coordinating the replacement of the meter > box with the utility. > > I have a 60A or 80A sub-panel in the garage. Does just fine, even with the > 18,000 BTU mini-split on it. > > -D > >> On Apr 4, 2023, at 1:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Hmm, I was thinking about having my existing 100a service upgraded with a >> new panel but now I'm thinking this is a way better idea. A new 200a service >> and panel which feeds my existing 100a panel plus a sub panel in the garage. >> >> I'd been scared off the idea by people telling me it'd be very expensive to >> replace my existing panel but making my existing a sub panel of the new one >> would seem like it'd be a lot cheaper... >> >> -Curt >> >> >> On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 01:00:05 PM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >>> I have 220V and 30 Amps on #10-3 underground wire into my garage sub-panel. >> >> That's what I have out in the woodshed sub-panel. (For eventual gas-fired >> hot tub, >> if ever.) Currently it only runs one 8-bulb light circuit, and an outlet. >> >>> but I keep acquiring things ... that I didn't have back when I built the >>>garage >> >> That is ever the case. Even if YOU don't get an EV, somebody will. Yet >> another >> big ticket item. Time to bury that big wire, and did you make it big enough? >> >>> My panel in the house is only 100 Amp and is full. I already have 2 >>> sub-panels in the house. >> >> Perhaps make the existing main panel a sub-panel from a new feed? >> >> I need to rewire the beach cabin. It has an actual fuse box. I want to put >> in an >> electric clothes dryer, and maybe an RV outlet. Ideally I can find a >> take-out panel, >> or otherwise used. Fits right in to the cabin motif. >> >> >> -- Jim >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list arc
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I may be wrong, but there were a number of what I would call “unprofessional” updates on the AZ house and they didn’t make any noise about it. The distribution panel was on the back (exterior) wall of the house, a little bitty 100A panel full of “split” breakers, that is, two breakers in one section if that makes sense. A lot of stuff had been rewired and moved around since the house was built in 1975, so to say the panel was outdated was an understatement. To make things worse, when a deck and later an addition was added to the back of the house, the floor of the deck was right where the distribution panel was. So that meant that the distribution panel, which had a lid that hinged up, was right at the floor level of the deck. To see and get into it you literally had to lay on the deck and look straight ahead into the panel to see the breakers. The electrician I hired brought the panel around the side of the house, which was within a foot or two of the old panel which was right at the corner of the house. They had to change the location of the weatherhead, so the old one was removed and the roof patched where it had penetrated the roof. The new meter box and distribution panel are standard NEMA 3R panels and are easy to access. The only real bummer is that they just relabeled the new breakers to match the old ones. I’ve got a circuit tracer I am planning on using to map the circuits when I have the time so they’re relabeled and accurate as to what they serve. -D > On Apr 4, 2023, at 2:05 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > > I suspect that if somebody touches my panel they'll find a bunch of stuff > that needs replacing. The upstairs wiring is pretty legit but I think the > previous owner did a lot of the basement wiring himself. > > -Curt > > On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 01:55:09 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > > > The electricians that did mine did it in a day. Started about 8:30, were done > by 4:00. Part of the planning was coordinating the replacement of the meter > box with the utility. > > I have a 60A or 80A sub-panel in the garage. Does just fine, even with the > 18,000 BTU mini-split on it. > > -D > >> On Apr 4, 2023, at 1:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Hmm, I was thinking about having my existing 100a service upgraded with a >> new panel but now I'm thinking this is a way better idea. A new 200a service >> and panel which feeds my existing 100a panel plus a sub panel in the garage. >> >> I'd been scared off the idea by people telling me it'd be very expensive to >> replace my existing panel but making my existing a sub panel of the new one >> would seem like it'd be a lot cheaper... >> >> -Curt >> >> >> On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 01:00:05 PM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >>> I have 220V and 30 Amps on #10-3 underground wire into my garage sub-panel. >> >> That's what I have out in the woodshed sub-panel. (For eventual gas-fired >> hot tub, >> if ever.) Currently it only runs one 8-bulb light circuit, and an outlet. >> >>> but I keep acquiring things ... that I didn't have back when I built the >>> garage >> >> That is ever the case. Even if YOU don't get an EV, somebody will. Yet >> another >> big ticket item. Time to bury that big wire, and did you make it big enough? >> >>> My panel in the house is only 100 Amp and is full. I already have 2 >>> sub-panels in the house. >> >> Perhaps make the existing main panel a sub-panel from a new feed? >> >> I need to rewire the beach cabin. It has an actual fuse box. I want to put >> in an >> electric clothes dryer, and maybe an RV outlet. Ideally I can find a >> take-out panel, >> or otherwise used. Fits right in to the cabin motif. >> >> >> -- Jim >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I suspect that if somebody touches my panel they'll find a bunch of stuff that needs replacing. The upstairs wiring is pretty legit but I think the previous owner did a lot of the basement wiring himself. -Curt On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 01:55:09 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: The electricians that did mine did it in a day. Started about 8:30, were done by 4:00. Part of the planning was coordinating the replacement of the meter box with the utility. I have a 60A or 80A sub-panel in the garage. Does just fine, even with the 18,000 BTU mini-split on it. -D > On Apr 4, 2023, at 1:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > Hmm, I was thinking about having my existing 100a service upgraded with a new > panel but now I'm thinking this is a way better idea. A new 200a service and > panel which feeds my existing 100a panel plus a sub panel in the garage. > > I'd been scared off the idea by people telling me it'd be very expensive to > replace my existing panel but making my existing a sub panel of the new one > would seem like it'd be a lot cheaper... > > -Curt > > > On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 01:00:05 PM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes > wrote: > >> I have 220V and 30 Amps on #10-3 underground wire into my garage sub-panel. > > That's what I have out in the woodshed sub-panel. (For eventual gas-fired > hot tub, > if ever.) Currently it only runs one 8-bulb light circuit, and an outlet. > >> but I keep acquiring things ... that I didn't have back when I built the >>garage > > That is ever the case. Even if YOU don't get an EV, somebody will. Yet > another > big ticket item. Time to bury that big wire, and did you make it big enough? > >> My panel in the house is only 100 Amp and is full. I already have 2 >> sub-panels in the house. > > Perhaps make the existing main panel a sub-panel from a new feed? > > I need to rewire the beach cabin. It has an actual fuse box. I want to put > in an > electric clothes dryer, and maybe an RV outlet. Ideally I can find a > take-out panel, > or otherwise used. Fits right in to the cabin motif. > > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hope I don't lose my membership
The electricians that did mine did it in a day. Started about 8:30, were done by 4:00. Part of the planning was coordinating the replacement of the meter box with the utility. I have a 60A or 80A sub-panel in the garage. Does just fine, even with the 18,000 BTU mini-split on it. -D > On Apr 4, 2023, at 1:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > Hmm, I was thinking about having my existing 100a service upgraded with a new > panel but now I'm thinking this is a way better idea. A new 200a service and > panel which feeds my existing 100a panel plus a sub panel in the garage. > > I'd been scared off the idea by people telling me it'd be very expensive to > replace my existing panel but making my existing a sub panel of the new one > would seem like it'd be a lot cheaper... > > -Curt > > > On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 01:00:05 PM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes > wrote: > >> I have 220V and 30 Amps on #10-3 underground wire into my garage sub-panel. > > That's what I have out in the woodshed sub-panel. (For eventual gas-fired > hot tub, > if ever.) Currently it only runs one 8-bulb light circuit, and an outlet. > >> but I keep acquiring things ... that I didn't have back when I built the >> garage > > That is ever the case. Even if YOU don't get an EV, somebody will. Yet > another > big ticket item. Time to bury that big wire, and did you make it big enough? > >> My panel in the house is only 100 Amp and is full. I already have 2 >> sub-panels in the house. > > Perhaps make the existing main panel a sub-panel from a new feed? > > I need to rewire the beach cabin. It has an actual fuse box. I want to put > in an > electric clothes dryer, and maybe an RV outlet. Ideally I can find a > take-out panel, > or otherwise used. Fits right in to the cabin motif. > > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hope I don't lose my membership
Hmm, I was thinking about having my existing 100a service upgraded with a new panel but now I'm thinking this is a way better idea. A new 200a service and panel which feeds my existing 100a panel plus a sub panel in the garage. I'd been scared off the idea by people telling me it'd be very expensive to replace my existing panel but making my existing a sub panel of the new one would seem like it'd be a lot cheaper... -Curt On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 01:00:05 PM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: > I have 220V and 30 Amps on #10-3 underground wire into my garage sub-panel. That's what I have out in the woodshed sub-panel. (For eventual gas-fired hot tub, if ever.) Currently it only runs one 8-bulb light circuit, and an outlet. > but I keep acquiring things ... that I didn't have back when I built the >garage That is ever the case. Even if YOU don't get an EV, somebody will. Yet another big ticket item. Time to bury that big wire, and did you make it big enough? > My panel in the house is only 100 Amp and is full. I already have 2 > sub-panels in the house. Perhaps make the existing main panel a sub-panel from a new feed? I need to rewire the beach cabin. It has an actual fuse box. I want to put in an electric clothes dryer, and maybe an RV outlet. Ideally I can find a take-out panel, or otherwise used. Fits right in to the cabin motif. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thats bonkers. We have a dead cherry in the back yard that I've been seasoning for firewood. Most of the bark has come off the base so I reckon its time to bring it down. Ought to do it now while theres no leaves on the other trees. I'll do it myself, nobody will care... -Curt On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 12:55:04 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Cousin in Ottawa, ON has just had trees taken out of her yard. She had to have permission and a permit, and she is required to replace them. Randy On 04/04/2023 11:51 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > Florida. Can’t take out (any) trees in AZ without approval of the City. Even > on private property. In fairness, it’s much the same in Florida only it > pertains just to “grand” oaks. That is, oak trees above a certain caliper > size. > > For that matter, all of the trees on my lot in AZ are mapped and recorded by > the City. > > -D > >> On Apr 4, 2023, at 12:46 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> On 03/04/2023 8:38 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >>> I just realized I might have at least a partial membership - I took out a >>> tree that was in front of the house a few months ago. It opened up an area >>> about 12’x12’ in front of the house and inside of a walkway to the front >>> door. Mrs. Dan wanted pavers put down in it, but I pushed back as it would >>> have been a major undertaking. Now she’s moved to river rock, which I can >>> get on board with. >>> >>> It’s got to be leveled and raked up because it’s covered with oak leaves. >>> Guess I’ll make it a project for the week, maybe. That and trimming the >>> hedge behind the pool enclosure. There’s a hedge along the back side of the >>> enclosure that has been growing out of control, so I guess I need to have >>> at that as well. >>> >>> At least I’m pretty well caught up with car stuff. Gotta have priorities. >>> >>> -D >> Was this Florida or AZ? >> >> Randy >> >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hope I don't lose my membership
I had the service bumped from 100A to 200A at the Flagstaff house not long after we bought it. That included a new distribution panel, as the original one was outside and in a really bad location. The new distribution panel is still outside, but at least it’s easily accessible. Cost was about $USD 2,000 when it was all said and done. -D > On Apr 4, 2023, at 12:59 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes > wrote: > >> I have 220V and 30 Amps on #10-3 underground wire into my garage sub-panel. > > That's what I have out in the woodshed sub-panel. (For eventual gas-fired > hot tub, > if ever.) Currently it only runs one 8-bulb light circuit, and an outlet. > >> but I keep acquiring things ... that I didn't have back when I built the >> garage > > That is ever the case. Even if YOU don't get an EV, somebody will. Yet > another > big ticket item. Time to bury that big wire, and did you make it big enough? > >> My panel in the house is only 100 Amp and is full. I already have 2 >> sub-panels in the house. > > Perhaps make the existing main panel a sub-panel from a new feed? > > I need to rewire the beach cabin. It has an actual fuse box. I want to put > in an > electric clothes dryer, and maybe an RV outlet. Ideally I can find a > take-out panel, > or otherwise used. Fits right in to the cabin motif. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hope I don't lose my membership
> I have 220V and 30 Amps on #10-3 underground wire into my garage sub-panel. That's what I have out in the woodshed sub-panel. (For eventual gas-fired hot tub, if ever.) Currently it only runs one 8-bulb light circuit, and an outlet. > but I keep acquiring things ... that I didn't have back when I built the > garage That is ever the case. Even if YOU don't get an EV, somebody will. Yet another big ticket item. Time to bury that big wire, and did you make it big enough? > My panel in the house is only 100 Amp and is full. I already have 2 > sub-panels in the house. Perhaps make the existing main panel a sub-panel from a new feed? I need to rewire the beach cabin. It has an actual fuse box. I want to put in an electric clothes dryer, and maybe an RV outlet. Ideally I can find a take-out panel, or otherwise used. Fits right in to the cabin motif. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Same in Florida, at least in my county, if they’re oak trees. However, it’s up to the County as to whether or not you have to replace them. I took a ~20” oak tree out at the previous FL home because it was destroying my driveway and I wanted to add a parking spot next to the driveway. I was prepared to plant 20” worth of new trees on the lot, but the County gave me a pass for some reason. Not sure why, didn’t ask. -D > On Apr 4, 2023, at 12:54 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > > Cousin in Ottawa, ON has just had trees taken out of her yard. She had to > have permission and a permit, and she is required to replace them. > > Randy > > > On 04/04/2023 11:51 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >> Florida. Can’t take out (any) trees in AZ without approval of the City. Even >> on private property. In fairness, it’s much the same in Florida only it >> pertains just to “grand” oaks. That is, oak trees above a certain caliper >> size. >> >> For that matter, all of the trees on my lot in AZ are mapped and recorded by >> the City. >> >> -D >> >>> On Apr 4, 2023, at 12:46 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> On 03/04/2023 8:38 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: I just realized I might have at least a partial membership - I took out a tree that was in front of the house a few months ago. It opened up an area about 12’x12’ in front of the house and inside of a walkway to the front door. Mrs. Dan wanted pavers put down in it, but I pushed back as it would have been a major undertaking. Now she’s moved to river rock, which I can get on board with. It’s got to be leveled and raked up because it’s covered with oak leaves. Guess I’ll make it a project for the week, maybe. That and trimming the hedge behind the pool enclosure. There’s a hedge along the back side of the enclosure that has been growing out of control, so I guess I need to have at that as well. At least I’m pretty well caught up with car stuff. Gotta have priorities. -D >>> Was this Florida or AZ? >>> >>> Randy >>> >>> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hope I don't lose my membership
Cousin in Ottawa, ON has just had trees taken out of her yard. She had to have permission and a permit, and she is required to replace them. Randy On 04/04/2023 11:51 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: Florida. Can’t take out (any) trees in AZ without approval of the City. Even on private property. In fairness, it’s much the same in Florida only it pertains just to “grand” oaks. That is, oak trees above a certain caliper size. For that matter, all of the trees on my lot in AZ are mapped and recorded by the City. -D On Apr 4, 2023, at 12:46 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: On 03/04/2023 8:38 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: I just realized I might have at least a partial membership - I took out a tree that was in front of the house a few months ago. It opened up an area about 12’x12’ in front of the house and inside of a walkway to the front door. Mrs. Dan wanted pavers put down in it, but I pushed back as it would have been a major undertaking. Now she’s moved to river rock, which I can get on board with. It’s got to be leveled and raked up because it’s covered with oak leaves. Guess I’ll make it a project for the week, maybe. That and trimming the hedge behind the pool enclosure. There’s a hedge along the back side of the enclosure that has been growing out of control, so I guess I need to have at that as well. At least I’m pretty well caught up with car stuff. Gotta have priorities. -D Was this Florida or AZ? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hope I don't lose my membership
Florida. Can’t take out (any) trees in AZ without approval of the City. Even on private property. In fairness, it’s much the same in Florida only it pertains just to “grand” oaks. That is, oak trees above a certain caliper size. For that matter, all of the trees on my lot in AZ are mapped and recorded by the City. -D > On Apr 4, 2023, at 12:46 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > > On 03/04/2023 8:38 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >> I just realized I might have at least a partial membership - I took out a >> tree that was in front of the house a few months ago. It opened up an area >> about 12’x12’ in front of the house and inside of a walkway to the front >> door. Mrs. Dan wanted pavers put down in it, but I pushed back as it would >> have been a major undertaking. Now she’s moved to river rock, which I can >> get on board with. >> >> It’s got to be leveled and raked up because it’s covered with oak leaves. >> Guess I’ll make it a project for the week, maybe. That and trimming the >> hedge behind the pool enclosure. There’s a hedge along the back side of the >> enclosure that has been growing out of control, so I guess I need to have at >> that as well. >> >> At least I’m pretty well caught up with car stuff. Gotta have priorities. >> >> -D > > Was this Florida or AZ? > > Randy > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 03/04/2023 8:38 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: I just realized I might have at least a partial membership - I took out a tree that was in front of the house a few months ago. It opened up an area about 12’x12’ in front of the house and inside of a walkway to the front door. Mrs. Dan wanted pavers put down in it, but I pushed back as it would have been a major undertaking. Now she’s moved to river rock, which I can get on board with. It’s got to be leveled and raked up because it’s covered with oak leaves. Guess I’ll make it a project for the week, maybe. That and trimming the hedge behind the pool enclosure. There’s a hedge along the back side of the enclosure that has been growing out of control, so I guess I need to have at that as well. At least I’m pretty well caught up with car stuff. Gotta have priorities. -D Was this Florida or AZ? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 03/04/2023 9:13 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: I'm going to take it over to buddy Ben's house for final welding, he's got a big stick welder so I can really burn in the mounts, my MIG works okay but doesn't really have enough heat for the job... Old stick welders are usually pretty affordable at garage sales... I have a Miller. Something like $75, IIRC? -- Jim ___ New ones are still pretty affordable too. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I am only slightly ahead of you in that regard. I have 220V and 30 Amps on #10-3 underground wire into my garage sub-panel. It has been in place for about 38 years and has served me well but I keep acquiring things like welders that I didn't have back when I built the garage and installed the electrical feed to it. That is now pretty marginal. I can run the compressor, or the planer, or a welder so long as I don't need to run the welder at higher amps than around 90. I bought heavier underground cable to run to the garage years ago but have yet to dig it in. I also bought a plasma cutter a year or so ago but have yet to try it out. I need more power as the compressor would be needed as well. My compressor has an 80 gallon tank so I could probably pump it up and then shut it off to use the plasma cutter briefly. My panel in the house is only 100 Amp and is full. I already have 2 sub-panels in the house. I really need to bite the bullet and get 200 Amps into the house and a larger panel so that I could run more current to the garage. A friend has a 200 Amp meter and a splitter box in the basement that feeds 2 100 Amp panels. That might be a less expensive way to do it and also less of a change as the existing panel could probably stay the way it is. Randy On 03/04/2023 9:37 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I don't have enough electricity to run a big welder in my garage. I have one 15a circuit that runs everything in the garage. I manage to pop the breaker twice yesterday. Fortunately I realized recently that I have 2 open spots in my breaker panel. I'm thinking it's time to run a 220V line to a sub panel in the garage so I can have a real 20a (110v) outlet in my garage. -Curt On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 10:13:43 AM EDT, Jim Cathey wrote: I'm going to take it over to buddy Ben's house for final welding, he's got a big stick welder so I can really burn in the mounts, my MIG works okay but doesn't really have enough heat for the job... Old stick welders are usually pretty affordable at garage sales... I have a Miller. Something like $75, IIRC? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The subpanel feed to my (new) garage is 90A. Well poised for stove, welders, RV's, and EV's. Not all at once, of course. That subpanel feeds another subpanel in another garage, which in turn feeds a 30A subpanel out in the woodshed. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I don't have enough electricity to run a big welder in my garage. I have one 15a circuit that runs everything in the garage. I manage to pop the breaker twice yesterday. Fortunately I realized recently that I have 2 open spots in my breaker panel. I'm thinking it's time to run a 220V line to a sub panel in the garage so I can have a real 20a (110v) outlet in my garage. -Curt On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 10:13:43 AM EDT, Jim Cathey wrote: > I'm going to take it over to buddy Ben's house for final welding, he's got a > big stick welder so I can really burn in the mounts, my MIG works okay but > doesn't really have enough heat for the job... Old stick welders are usually pretty affordable at garage sales... I have a Miller. Something like $75, IIRC? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Attaboy!! Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 3, 2023, at 9:28 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > In the Procrastinators Guild. > > Over the last couple weeks I sealed up the hydraulic tank on my garden > tractor loader project. I got the machine back in 2017, you guys might have > forgotten about it. > Heres a shot from back when I got it: > https://photos.app.goo.gl/o8ikU4CZaYtekP2P9 > > Last week I reinstalled the tank, it had leaked where I added the hose > fittings so I slathered the inside with POR15 gas tank sealer. It didn't leak > overnight so yesterday I fired it up. It did NOT want to run but finally got > going, smoked a lot but I'll be darned if it didn't work pretty good. > https://photos.app.goo.gl/WB6pA6vJKTyDyRqD8 > > I moved some snow out of the shadows on our yard over to the storm drain > which gets more sun. > Everything was going great until: https://photos.app.goo.gl/xb5thG6iiDxJBCpA7 > That's the upper bucket cylinder mount, or rather there should be a mount > there. Apparently I'd only tacked it on and the tacks broke. I wanted to move > the mount a little higher anyway. > > While I was working I finished cutting the bucket down: > https://photos.app.goo.gl/yqcBXcnMym9bEeUD6 > I took 3" off each side of the bucket, bringing it down to 38" which is still > about 2" wider than the machine. Took probably 25# off the weight of the > bucket making it much more manageable for the machine. There's still some > more to come off but it's much improved. > > I'm going to take it over to buddy Ben's house for final welding, he's got a > big stick welder so I can really burn in the mounts, my MIG works okay but > doesn't really have enough heat for the job... > > -Curt > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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> I'm going to take it over to buddy Ben's house for final welding, he's got a > big stick welder so I can really burn in the mounts, my MIG works okay but > doesn't really have enough heat for the job... Old stick welders are usually pretty affordable at garage sales... I have a Miller. Something like $75, IIRC? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: I hope I don't lose my membership
I just realized I might have at least a partial membership - I took out a tree that was in front of the house a few months ago. It opened up an area about 12’x12’ in front of the house and inside of a walkway to the front door. Mrs. Dan wanted pavers put down in it, but I pushed back as it would have been a major undertaking. Now she’s moved to river rock, which I can get on board with. It’s got to be leveled and raked up because it’s covered with oak leaves. Guess I’ll make it a project for the week, maybe. That and trimming the hedge behind the pool enclosure. There’s a hedge along the back side of the enclosure that has been growing out of control, so I guess I need to have at that as well. At least I’m pretty well caught up with car stuff. Gotta have priorities. -D > On Apr 3, 2023, at 9:32 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > Strong work! 💪 > > -D > >> On Apr 3, 2023, at 9:28 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> In the Procrastinators Guild. >> >> Over the last couple weeks I sealed up the hydraulic tank on my garden >> tractor loader project. I got the machine back in 2017, you guys might have >> forgotten about it. >> Heres a shot from back when I got it: >> https://photos.app.goo.gl/o8ikU4CZaYtekP2P9 >> >> Last week I reinstalled the tank, it had leaked where I added the hose >> fittings so I slathered the inside with POR15 gas tank sealer. It didn't >> leak overnight so yesterday I fired it up. It did NOT want to run but >> finally got going, smoked a lot but I'll be darned if it didn't work pretty >> good. >> https://photos.app.goo.gl/WB6pA6vJKTyDyRqD8 >> >> I moved some snow out of the shadows on our yard over to the storm drain >> which gets more sun. >> Everything was going great until: https://photos.app.goo.gl/xb5thG6iiDxJBCpA7 >> That's the upper bucket cylinder mount, or rather there should be a mount >> there. Apparently I'd only tacked it on and the tacks broke. I wanted to >> move the mount a little higher anyway. >> >> While I was working I finished cutting the bucket down: >> https://photos.app.goo.gl/yqcBXcnMym9bEeUD6 >> I took 3" off each side of the bucket, bringing it down to 38" which is >> still about 2" wider than the machine. Took probably 25# off the weight of >> the bucket making it much more manageable for the machine. There's still >> some more to come off but it's much improved. >> >> I'm going to take it over to buddy Ben's house for final welding, he's got a >> big stick welder so I can really burn in the mounts, my MIG works okay but >> doesn't really have enough heat for the job... >> >> -Curt >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Strong work! 💪 -D > On Apr 3, 2023, at 9:28 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > In the Procrastinators Guild. > > Over the last couple weeks I sealed up the hydraulic tank on my garden > tractor loader project. I got the machine back in 2017, you guys might have > forgotten about it. > Heres a shot from back when I got it: > https://photos.app.goo.gl/o8ikU4CZaYtekP2P9 > > Last week I reinstalled the tank, it had leaked where I added the hose > fittings so I slathered the inside with POR15 gas tank sealer. It didn't leak > overnight so yesterday I fired it up. It did NOT want to run but finally got > going, smoked a lot but I'll be darned if it didn't work pretty good. > https://photos.app.goo.gl/WB6pA6vJKTyDyRqD8 > > I moved some snow out of the shadows on our yard over to the storm drain > which gets more sun. > Everything was going great until: https://photos.app.goo.gl/xb5thG6iiDxJBCpA7 > That's the upper bucket cylinder mount, or rather there should be a mount > there. Apparently I'd only tacked it on and the tacks broke. I wanted to move > the mount a little higher anyway. > > While I was working I finished cutting the bucket down: > https://photos.app.goo.gl/yqcBXcnMym9bEeUD6 > I took 3" off each side of the bucket, bringing it down to 38" which is still > about 2" wider than the machine. Took probably 25# off the weight of the > bucket making it much more manageable for the machine. There's still some > more to come off but it's much improved. > > I'm going to take it over to buddy Ben's house for final welding, he's got a > big stick welder so I can really burn in the mounts, my MIG works okay but > doesn't really have enough heat for the job... > > -Curt > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: I hope I don't lose my membership
In the Procrastinators Guild. Over the last couple weeks I sealed up the hydraulic tank on my garden tractor loader project. I got the machine back in 2017, you guys might have forgotten about it. Heres a shot from back when I got it: https://photos.app.goo.gl/o8ikU4CZaYtekP2P9 Last week I reinstalled the tank, it had leaked where I added the hose fittings so I slathered the inside with POR15 gas tank sealer. It didn't leak overnight so yesterday I fired it up. It did NOT want to run but finally got going, smoked a lot but I'll be darned if it didn't work pretty good. https://photos.app.goo.gl/WB6pA6vJKTyDyRqD8 I moved some snow out of the shadows on our yard over to the storm drain which gets more sun. Everything was going great until: https://photos.app.goo.gl/xb5thG6iiDxJBCpA7 That's the upper bucket cylinder mount, or rather there should be a mount there. Apparently I'd only tacked it on and the tacks broke. I wanted to move the mount a little higher anyway. While I was working I finished cutting the bucket down: https://photos.app.goo.gl/yqcBXcnMym9bEeUD6 I took 3" off each side of the bucket, bringing it down to 38" which is still about 2" wider than the machine. Took probably 25# off the weight of the bucket making it much more manageable for the machine. There's still some more to come off but it's much improved. I'm going to take it over to buddy Ben's house for final welding, he's got a big stick welder so I can really burn in the mounts, my MIG works okay but doesn't really have enough heat for the job... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
