Re: [MBZ] OT: MM
Hursty isn't as annoying. Bob E -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 7:19 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: MM Moore is actually Hurst, but he used a screen name. On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.auwrote: Well the only way to have any sort of opinion of him is to watch his movies. Yeah I know the talkback Nazis are saying he is the devil and the hat hides his horns. As a interesting note, towards the end of the movie Moore makes mention of an website set up by an individual to attack Moore and his views, now the funny part was that this individuals missus gets sick and he can't afford to keep the website running. Anyway the appeal goes out to all the good people who subscribe to his point of view and you know what, Moore anonymously sends this bloke a cheque for 12K to pay for the medical costs. Sure Moore might well have done this with the movie in mind because he does use it to his advantage to portray himself to have the high moral ground. If he was half decent he would have used the illness of the webmasters missus as an example of the state of the health system, send him an anonymous cheque but NOT then turn around and tell the world about it. So yeah, the bloke is a self serving A hole but this is not about him but your right to decent and fair health care. Hendrik Rich Thomas wrote: MM made a movie some years ago called Roger and Me, about Lansing MI with the car companies in the dumps, and bashing Roger Smith who at the time was pres of GM. I don't really know that much about Roger Smith, whether he deserved the bashing or not (he probably did given GMs general performance over the years). After MM's other movies came out (the Columbine one, and wasn't there another one? a global warming thing or something?) it got me thinking about Roger and Me. At the time I first saw it I thought it was pretty funny, making some people look like fools for their situations and behaviors. Then thinking about it more (being older and maybe a slight bit wiser) I realized that it was a really mean movie, mocking people for how they were and making no so subtle fun of them for how they were trying to get by the situation. It was using them to try to make a point about the car company, but in so doing it sorta lumped them into this screed about people who were clearly not as smart as MM. I think all his other movies are sorta in the same vein, look how smart I Michael Moore am, and all these other people are just really stupid for not seeing things the way I do. Since I haven't really seen any of his other stuff I have no idea what their contents are, so can't comment on his politics or anything else in that regard. But I do know that in that first movie, which apparently encouraged him to make more in the same vein, he was just a very low and mean person. Maybe that is OK if you agree with his messages, but it is not very nice. I guess that is saying something about his politics, but more about the person. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MM
I live in a country where there is a national health care system, as well as welfare and other social safety nets. One of the negative aspects of having such systems in place, or so I've observed over my life, is such systems do seem to remove some of the compassion from society. I know that may sounds strange, as one of the reasons for setting up these systems in the first place, and I'm sure it was at the time, was in the name of compassion for your fellow man and woman. Prior to these social safety nets, those in need very much relied on the true compassion of his fellow man, not so much the nation as a faceless whole, but neighbours, friends, religious organizations, etc. The system, while provided a level of care now, has in may ways removed the element of compassion, and in fact, has allowed many to wash their hands of any fellow human in need. The attitude is often very much, I pay my taxes for these things, there are systems in place. I've done my bit, no longer my responsibility. It is often viewed, anyone how in need of medical care, is hungry, homeless, or in need, is in that situation by choice. I'm not advocating removing all our social systems, I'm just saying, making all things available to all people through government plans does not always make for the most compassionate society. In that sense, these programmes have often become counter productive, creating the opposite effect within society to the moral values on which they were founded. It's not a system that promotes people to strive hard to rise above their current situations either, but that's another topic. Just my personal observation. Ed 300E 2008/12/12 Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au Yes it was a con job for the movie, Moore even showed the email of gratitude the bloke wrote to the anonymous benefactor. That shows a lack of compassion and was perhaps what he was after. That is sort of like kicking a man when he is down. Question is would that fella with the sick wife have cashed the cheque if he knew from whom it was? Thanks to Moore's cunning we'll never know. Hendrik E M wrote: Sends the check anonymously to pay for the medical expenses, and yet we all know about it. Hmmm? Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MM
Ed, Do consider that most of our assistance programs are there for people who truly have a need, not to be taken advantage of. Sadly, many people look to them as a form of a handout rather than a hand up, as they were originally intended. They are getting better in some ways, as in the state of Wisconsin where I once lived, where to participate in such programs you have to work or provide some sort of service to the State, no matter how minor. Rather than the programs causing people to coast along and do nothing to improve their situation, the state has forced them to do so if they want to receive benefits. Some say it's unfair or cruel, but I think it's a wonderful approach to returning people's dignity and feelings of value and self worth, so that they can once again become contributors to society. Dan --- On Sat, 12/13/08, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: MM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 10:23 AM I live in a country where there is a national health care system, as well as welfare and other social safety nets. One of the negative aspects of having such systems in place, or so I've observed over my life, is such systems do seem to remove some of the compassion from society. I know that may sounds strange, as one of the reasons for setting up these systems in the first place, and I'm sure it was at the time, was in the name of compassion for your fellow man and woman. Prior to these social safety nets, those in need very much relied on the true compassion of his fellow man, not so much the nation as a faceless whole, but neighbours, friends, religious organizations, etc. The system, while provided a level of care now, has in may ways removed the element of compassion, and in fact, has allowed many to wash their hands of any fellow human in need. The attitude is often very much, I pay my taxes for these things, there are systems in place. I've done my bit, no longer my responsibility. It is often viewed, anyone how in need of medical care, is hungry, homeless, or in need, is in that situation by choice. I'm not advocating removing all our social systems, I'm just saying, making all things available to all people through government plans does not always make for the most compassionate society. In that sense, these programmes have often become counter productive, creating the opposite effect within society to the moral values on which they were founded. It's not a system that promotes people to strive hard to rise above their current situations either, but that's another topic. Just my personal observation. Ed 300E 2008/12/12 Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au Yes it was a con job for the movie, Moore even showed the email of gratitude the bloke wrote to the anonymous benefactor. That shows a lack of compassion and was perhaps what he was after. That is sort of like kicking a man when he is down. Question is would that fella with the sick wife have cashed the cheque if he knew from whom it was? Thanks to Moore's cunning we'll never know. Hendrik E M wrote: Sends the check anonymously to pay for the medical expenses, and yet we all know about it. Hmmm? Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MM
he still needs to put on a few pounds to be me. i tend to like michael moore though. On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 6:18 PM, Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com wrote: Moore is actually Hurst, but he used a screen name. On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Well the only way to have any sort of opinion of him is to watch his movies. Yeah I know the talkback Nazis are saying he is the devil and the hat hides his horns. As a interesting note, towards the end of the movie Moore makes mention of an website set up by an individual to attack Moore and his views, now the funny part was that this individuals missus gets sick and he can't afford to keep the website running. Anyway the appeal goes out to all the good people who subscribe to his point of view and you know what, Moore anonymously sends this bloke a cheque for 12K to pay for the medical costs. Sure Moore might well have done this with the movie in mind because he does use it to his advantage to portray himself to have the high moral ground. If he was half decent he would have used the illness of the webmasters missus as an example of the state of the health system, send him an anonymous cheque but NOT then turn around and tell the world about it. So yeah, the bloke is a self serving A hole but this is not about him but your right to decent and fair health care. Hendrik Rich Thomas wrote: MM made a movie some years ago called Roger and Me, about Lansing MI with the car companies in the dumps, and bashing Roger Smith who at the time was pres of GM. I don't really know that much about Roger Smith, whether he deserved the bashing or not (he probably did given GMs general performance over the years). After MM's other movies came out (the Columbine one, and wasn't there another one? a global warming thing or something?) it got me thinking about Roger and Me. At the time I first saw it I thought it was pretty funny, making some people look like fools for their situations and behaviors. Then thinking about it more (being older and maybe a slight bit wiser) I realized that it was a really mean movie, mocking people for how they were and making no so subtle fun of them for how they were trying to get by the situation. It was using them to try to make a point about the car company, but in so doing it sorta lumped them into this screed about people who were clearly not as smart as MM. I think all his other movies are sorta in the same vein, look how smart I Michael Moore am, and all these other people are just really stupid for not seeing things the way I do. Since I haven't really seen any of his other stuff I have no idea what their contents are, so can't comment on his politics or anything else in that regard. But I do know that in that first movie, which apparently encouraged him to make more in the same vein, he was just a very low and mean person. Maybe that is OK if you agree with his messages, but it is not very nice. I guess that is saying something about his politics, but more about the person. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MM
Dan, I agree with what you say, and with what is taking place in Wisconsin. It was suggested here, that those receiving a check from the tax payers, should in some way, if able bodied, give something back. The idea was shot down, with replies of how dare you force someone to do something for their tax payer received cheque. It was humiliating to suggest that those receiving money, do anything in return for it. I was raised in a way, if you got $10 bucks, you gave $12 worth of work for it. My how attitudes have changed. Ed 300E 2008/12/13 LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com Ed, Do consider that most of our assistance programs are there for people who truly have a need, not to be taken advantage of. Sadly, many people look to them as a form of a handout rather than a hand up, as they were originally intended. They are getting better in some ways, as in the state of Wisconsin where I once lived, where to participate in such programs you have to work or provide some sort of service to the State, no matter how minor. Rather than the programs causing people to coast along and do nothing to improve their situation, the state has forced them to do so if they want to receive benefits. Some say it's unfair or cruel, but I think it's a wonderful approach to returning people's dignity and feelings of value and self worth, so that they can once again become contributors to society. Dan --- On Sat, 12/13/08, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: MM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 10:23 AM I live in a country where there is a national health care system, as well as welfare and other social safety nets. One of the negative aspects of having such systems in place, or so I've observed over my life, is such systems do seem to remove some of the compassion from society. I know that may sounds strange, as one of the reasons for setting up these systems in the first place, and I'm sure it was at the time, was in the name of compassion for your fellow man and woman. Prior to these social safety nets, those in need very much relied on the true compassion of his fellow man, not so much the nation as a faceless whole, but neighbours, friends, religious organizations, etc. The system, while provided a level of care now, has in may ways removed the element of compassion, and in fact, has allowed many to wash their hands of any fellow human in need. The attitude is often very much, I pay my taxes for these things, there are systems in place. I've done my bit, no longer my responsibility. It is often viewed, anyone how in need of medical care, is hungry, homeless, or in need, is in that situation by choice. I'm not advocating removing all our social systems, I'm just saying, making all things available to all people through government plans does not always make for the most compassionate society. In that sense, these programmes have often become counter productive, creating the opposite effect within society to the moral values on which they were founded. It's not a system that promotes people to strive hard to rise above their current situations either, but that's another topic. Just my personal observation. Ed 300E 2008/12/12 Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au Yes it was a con job for the movie, Moore even showed the email of gratitude the bloke wrote to the anonymous benefactor. That shows a lack of compassion and was perhaps what he was after. That is sort of like kicking a man when he is down. Question is would that fella with the sick wife have cashed the cheque if he knew from whom it was? Thanks to Moore's cunning we'll never know. Hendrik E M wrote: Sends the check anonymously to pay for the medical expenses, and yet we all know about it. Hmmm? Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go
Re: [MBZ] OT: MM
Tommy Thompson, who was governor at the time, got the workfare program started, but I don't know where it's at now. If you were able-bodied you might be picking up trash on the side of state highways, but you were paid a living wage and received benefits. If you were a parent with children you got state provided day care, so that even moms were able to participate without compromising their children's situation. Wisconsin once had a welfare system that was second to none, and the system itself promoted staying in it because of the benefits. Russ Feingold, while a Wisconsin legislator, had his staffers check the Amtrack and Greyhound bus ridership between Chicago and Milwaukee during days that benefits were paid out. Ridership on these two means of transportation spiked on those days, mainly because there were literally thousands of people in the system that didn't even live in the state. The word was that if you were a woman and could get pregnant every two years, you could pull down well over $40k/year in benefits, and that did not include food stamps and WIC. Dan --- On Sat, 12/13/08, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: MM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 11:06 AM Dan, I agree with what you say, and with what is taking place in Wisconsin. It was suggested here, that those receiving a check from the tax payers, should in some way, if able bodied, give something back. The idea was shot down, with replies of how dare you force someone to do something for their tax payer received cheque. It was humiliating to suggest that those receiving money, do anything in return for it. I was raised in a way, if you got $10 bucks, you gave $12 worth of work for it. My how attitudes have changed. Ed 300E 2008/12/13 LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com Ed, Do consider that most of our assistance programs are there for people who truly have a need, not to be taken advantage of. Sadly, many people look to them as a form of a handout rather than a hand up, as they were originally intended. They are getting better in some ways, as in the state of Wisconsin where I once lived, where to participate in such programs you have to work or provide some sort of service to the State, no matter how minor. Rather than the programs causing people to coast along and do nothing to improve their situation, the state has forced them to do so if they want to receive benefits. Some say it's unfair or cruel, but I think it's a wonderful approach to returning people's dignity and feelings of value and self worth, so that they can once again become contributors to society. Dan --- On Sat, 12/13/08, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: MM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 10:23 AM I live in a country where there is a national health care system, as well as welfare and other social safety nets. One of the negative aspects of having such systems in place, or so I've observed over my life, is such systems do seem to remove some of the compassion from society. I know that may sounds strange, as one of the reasons for setting up these systems in the first place, and I'm sure it was at the time, was in the name of compassion for your fellow man and woman. Prior to these social safety nets, those in need very much relied on the true compassion of his fellow man, not so much the nation as a faceless whole, but neighbours, friends, religious organizations, etc. The system, while provided a level of care now, has in may ways removed the element of compassion, and in fact, has allowed many to wash their hands of any fellow human in need. The attitude is often very much, I pay my taxes for these things, there are systems in place. I've done my bit, no longer my responsibility. It is often viewed, anyone how in need of medical care, is hungry, homeless, or in need, is in that situation by choice. I'm not advocating removing all our social systems, I'm just saying, making all things available to all people through government plans does not always make for the most compassionate society. In that sense, these programmes have often become counter productive, creating the opposite effect within society to the moral values on which they were founded. It's not a system that promotes people to strive hard to rise above their current situations either, but that's another topic. Just my personal observation. Ed 300E 2008/12/12 Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au Yes it was a con job for the movie, Moore even showed the email of gratitude
[MBZ] OT: MM
MM made a movie some years ago called Roger and Me, about Lansing MI with the car companies in the dumps, and bashing Roger Smith who at the time was pres of GM. I don't really know that much about Roger Smith, whether he deserved the bashing or not (he probably did given GMs general performance over the years). After MM's other movies came out (the Columbine one, and wasn't there another one? a global warming thing or something?) it got me thinking about Roger and Me. At the time I first saw it I thought it was pretty funny, making some people look like fools for their situations and behaviors. Then thinking about it more (being older and maybe a slight bit wiser) I realized that it was a really mean movie, mocking people for how they were and making no so subtle fun of them for how they were trying to get by the situation. It was using them to try to make a point about the car company, but in so doing it sorta lumped them into this screed about people who were clearly not as smart as MM. I think all his other movies are sorta in the same vein, look how smart I Michael Moore am, and all these other people are just really stupid for not seeing things the way I do. Since I haven't really seen any of his other stuff I have no idea what their contents are, so can't comment on his politics or anything else in that regard. But I do know that in that first movie, which apparently encouraged him to make more in the same vein, he was just a very low and mean person. Maybe that is OK if you agree with his messages, but it is not very nice. I guess that is saying something about his politics, but more about the person. --R Hendrik Fay wrote: I watched that Michael Moore movie Sicko last night ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MM
Well the only way to have any sort of opinion of him is to watch his movies. Yeah I know the talkback Nazis are saying he is the devil and the hat hides his horns. As a interesting note, towards the end of the movie Moore makes mention of an website set up by an individual to attack Moore and his views, now the funny part was that this individuals missus gets sick and he can't afford to keep the website running. Anyway the appeal goes out to all the good people who subscribe to his point of view and you know what, Moore anonymously sends this bloke a cheque for 12K to pay for the medical costs. Sure Moore might well have done this with the movie in mind because he does use it to his advantage to portray himself to have the high moral ground. If he was half decent he would have used the illness of the webmasters missus as an example of the state of the health system, send him an anonymous cheque but NOT then turn around and tell the world about it. So yeah, the bloke is a self serving A hole but this is not about him but your right to decent and fair health care. Hendrik Rich Thomas wrote: MM made a movie some years ago called Roger and Me, about Lansing MI with the car companies in the dumps, and bashing Roger Smith who at the time was pres of GM. I don't really know that much about Roger Smith, whether he deserved the bashing or not (he probably did given GMs general performance over the years). After MM's other movies came out (the Columbine one, and wasn't there another one? a global warming thing or something?) it got me thinking about Roger and Me. At the time I first saw it I thought it was pretty funny, making some people look like fools for their situations and behaviors. Then thinking about it more (being older and maybe a slight bit wiser) I realized that it was a really mean movie, mocking people for how they were and making no so subtle fun of them for how they were trying to get by the situation. It was using them to try to make a point about the car company, but in so doing it sorta lumped them into this screed about people who were clearly not as smart as MM. I think all his other movies are sorta in the same vein, look how smart I Michael Moore am, and all these other people are just really stupid for not seeing things the way I do. Since I haven't really seen any of his other stuff I have no idea what their contents are, so can't comment on his politics or anything else in that regard. But I do know that in that first movie, which apparently encouraged him to make more in the same vein, he was just a very low and mean person. Maybe that is OK if you agree with his messages, but it is not very nice. I guess that is saying something about his politics, but more about the person. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MM
Sends the check anonymously to pay for the medical expenses, and yet we all know about it. Hmmm? Ed 300E 2008/12/12 Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au Well the only way to have any sort of opinion of him is to watch his movies. Yeah I know the talkback Nazis are saying he is the devil and the hat hides his horns. As a interesting note, towards the end of the movie Moore makes mention of an website set up by an individual to attack Moore and his views, now the funny part was that this individuals missus gets sick and he can't afford to keep the website running. Anyway the appeal goes out to all the good people who subscribe to his point of view and you know what, Moore anonymously sends this bloke a cheque for 12K to pay for the medical costs. Sure Moore might well have done this with the movie in mind because he does use it to his advantage to portray himself to have the high moral ground. If he was half decent he would have used the illness of the webmasters missus as an example of the state of the health system, send him an anonymous cheque but NOT then turn around and tell the world about it. So yeah, the bloke is a self serving A hole but this is not about him but your right to decent and fair health care. Hendrik Rich Thomas wrote: MM made a movie some years ago called Roger and Me, about Lansing MI with the car companies in the dumps, and bashing Roger Smith who at the time was pres of GM. I don't really know that much about Roger Smith, whether he deserved the bashing or not (he probably did given GMs general performance over the years). After MM's other movies came out (the Columbine one, and wasn't there another one? a global warming thing or something?) it got me thinking about Roger and Me. At the time I first saw it I thought it was pretty funny, making some people look like fools for their situations and behaviors. Then thinking about it more (being older and maybe a slight bit wiser) I realized that it was a really mean movie, mocking people for how they were and making no so subtle fun of them for how they were trying to get by the situation. It was using them to try to make a point about the car company, but in so doing it sorta lumped them into this screed about people who were clearly not as smart as MM. I think all his other movies are sorta in the same vein, look how smart I Michael Moore am, and all these other people are just really stupid for not seeing things the way I do. Since I haven't really seen any of his other stuff I have no idea what their contents are, so can't comment on his politics or anything else in that regard. But I do know that in that first movie, which apparently encouraged him to make more in the same vein, he was just a very low and mean person. Maybe that is OK if you agree with his messages, but it is not very nice. I guess that is saying something about his politics, but more about the person. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MM
Moore is actually Hurst, but he used a screen name. On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.auwrote: Well the only way to have any sort of opinion of him is to watch his movies. Yeah I know the talkback Nazis are saying he is the devil and the hat hides his horns. As a interesting note, towards the end of the movie Moore makes mention of an website set up by an individual to attack Moore and his views, now the funny part was that this individuals missus gets sick and he can't afford to keep the website running. Anyway the appeal goes out to all the good people who subscribe to his point of view and you know what, Moore anonymously sends this bloke a cheque for 12K to pay for the medical costs. Sure Moore might well have done this with the movie in mind because he does use it to his advantage to portray himself to have the high moral ground. If he was half decent he would have used the illness of the webmasters missus as an example of the state of the health system, send him an anonymous cheque but NOT then turn around and tell the world about it. So yeah, the bloke is a self serving A hole but this is not about him but your right to decent and fair health care. Hendrik Rich Thomas wrote: MM made a movie some years ago called Roger and Me, about Lansing MI with the car companies in the dumps, and bashing Roger Smith who at the time was pres of GM. I don't really know that much about Roger Smith, whether he deserved the bashing or not (he probably did given GMs general performance over the years). After MM's other movies came out (the Columbine one, and wasn't there another one? a global warming thing or something?) it got me thinking about Roger and Me. At the time I first saw it I thought it was pretty funny, making some people look like fools for their situations and behaviors. Then thinking about it more (being older and maybe a slight bit wiser) I realized that it was a really mean movie, mocking people for how they were and making no so subtle fun of them for how they were trying to get by the situation. It was using them to try to make a point about the car company, but in so doing it sorta lumped them into this screed about people who were clearly not as smart as MM. I think all his other movies are sorta in the same vein, look how smart I Michael Moore am, and all these other people are just really stupid for not seeing things the way I do. Since I haven't really seen any of his other stuff I have no idea what their contents are, so can't comment on his politics or anything else in that regard. But I do know that in that first movie, which apparently encouraged him to make more in the same vein, he was just a very low and mean person. Maybe that is OK if you agree with his messages, but it is not very nice. I guess that is saying something about his politics, but more about the person. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MM
Show me where decent and fair health care is defined as a right. I have read our Constitution and the Bill of Rights and I did not see it in there. Some have also put forth the proposition that not to be offended is a right. What think you on that? Please be careful in your answer. --R Hendrik Fay wrote: but this is not about him but your right to decent and fair health care. Hendrik ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MM
Yes it was a con job for the movie, Moore even showed the email of gratitude the bloke wrote to the anonymous benefactor. That shows a lack of compassion and was perhaps what he was after. That is sort of like kicking a man when he is down. Question is would that fella with the sick wife have cashed the cheque if he knew from whom it was? Thanks to Moore's cunning we'll never know. Hendrik E M wrote: Sends the check anonymously to pay for the medical expenses, and yet we all know about it. Hmmm? Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MM
No it's not but if the US of A was half the country it tells others it is, it would be. Perhaps now is a good time to stop worrying about what other nations are doing and fix your own backyard, so we can actually believe the BS that comes from across the pond. Far as the offending bit goes, there are laws in place to stop people being offended, I think the UN came up with some sort of basic human right thingy but they are useless and it's all talk. Once world poverty and disease are under control I would worry about world offending. Hendrik Rich Thomas wrote: Show me where decent and fair health care is defined as a right. I have read our Constitution and the Bill of Rights and I did not see it in there. Some have also put forth the proposition that not to be offended is a right. What think you on that? Please be careful in your answer. --R Hendrik Fay wrote: but this is not about him but your right to decent and fair health care. Hendrik ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
