Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic
How much power is required to recharge the Leaf? I wonder if enough photocells could be put into the windows to recharge enough to get the vehicle home and not have to call for a tow. Might be expensive and cumbersome and most people would not want to put up with that. Randy On 13/08/2014 7:18 PM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes wrote: According to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Leaf stop go really eats into the range, probably to do with using climate control and the physics of getting a stationary object moving. Not sure if the trailer idea would be suitable for everyone, some people are not comfortable towing a trailer, however the concept is good insofar that if you build a proper camping trailer with fridge and 240v power and hook it up to a EV 4x4. Yes the lack of oil threads will be a problem but would they not still use grease in some bearings, M1 grease? Perhaps we'll have to have battery threads? Hendrik who is controlled with electricity On 14/08/14 05:00, Archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: That might give her the extra charge she would need to get home. IIRC one of their problems was that Nissan advertised a range of 100 miles, but under normal conditions it only gets 70 miles. That made it close, but they could still make the round trip in bus lanes. Gerry On 8/13/2014 12:46 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Depending on how much extra capacity she needs a small generator might make sense. I've got a 1200w 2 stroke generator that will run 8 hours at 50% load with 1 gallon of gas. It wouldn't make a huge difference but if she only needed a little more... Sounds like her commute was iffy for the car and they're running the AC hard. Stop and go traffic shouldn't hurt the range of an EV anywhere near what it does to a gas car. -Curt ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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OK if you work the day shift. Those things can be charged with a 110V outlet though it takes a lot longer, but still, for 8-10 hours should be enough to add some miles of range? --R (don't no nuffin bout no electrical car mosheenerries) On 8/14/14 11:16 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: How much power is required to recharge the Leaf? I wonder if enough photocells could be put into the windows to recharge enough to get the vehicle home and not have to call for a tow. Might be expensive and cumbersome and most people would not want to put up with that. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic
Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: How much power is required to recharge the Leaf? 12Ax120Vx20Hours if it's dead and you're using the 'trickle charger'. 3.3kWx8hours at 240v. I wonder if enough photocells could be put into the windows to recharge enough to get the vehicle home and not have to call for a tow. Might be expensive and cumbersome and most people would not want to put up with that. One rated kW of solar cells might put out 3 kWh through the workday, which should add 10-20 miles. The problem is, 200w panels are big, and there would be five of them. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic
I do not recall the name of the run, but there is or at least was, a sort of a race between cars built by various universities and colleges. I went to one of their stops a few years back and looked at some of the solar powered vehicles. My recollection is that there was a significant difference between some of the solar cells. Some were much more capable of producing power than others. These car bodies were covered from end to end with solar cells. The cars were of course, minimal and had very slippery shapes as well. Randy On 14/08/2014 10:53 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: How much power is required to recharge the Leaf? 12Ax120Vx20Hours if it's dead and you're using the 'trickle charger'. 3.3kWx8hours at 240v. I wonder if enough photocells could be put into the windows to recharge enough to get the vehicle home and not have to call for a tow. Might be expensive and cumbersome and most people would not want to put up with that. One rated kW of solar cells might put out 3 kWh through the workday, which should add 10-20 miles. The problem is, 200w panels are big, and there would be five of them. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic
Randy Bennell wrote: I do not recall the name of the run, but there is or at least was, a sort of a race between cars built by various universities and colleges. I went to one of their stops a few years back and looked at some of the solar powered vehicles. My recollection is that there was a significant difference between some of the solar cells. Some were much more capable of producing power than others. These car bodies were covered from end to end with solar cells. The cars were of course, minimal and had very slippery shapes as well. http://americansolarchallenge.org/ For the solar challenge, watts per square foot are the major consideration, with weight per watt being a very distant 2nd. Any personal use, like topping up the family Leaf, is going to depend on standard commercial panels. Off-grid drivers have been known to charge the car in a solar panel carport, but obviously they aren't driving that car to a day job five days a week. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic
friend of the kid has one at his home. Thing runs on a 50 amp breaker to a 240 volt hook up. Same sort of hook up that a back yard pool or spa requires. I would guess at least 6-8kW clay On Aug 14, 2014, at 8:16 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: How much power is required to recharge the Leaf? I wonder if enough photocells could be put into the windows to recharge enough to get the vehicle home and not have to call for a tow. Might be expensive and cumbersome and most people would not want to put up with that. Randy On 13/08/2014 7:18 PM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes wrote: According to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Leaf stop go really eats into the range, probably to do with using climate control and the physics of getting a stationary object moving. Not sure if the trailer idea would be suitable for everyone, some people are not comfortable towing a trailer, however the concept is good insofar that if you build a proper camping trailer with fridge and 240v power and hook it up to a EV 4x4. Yes the lack of oil threads will be a problem but would they not still use grease in some bearings, M1 grease? Perhaps we'll have to have battery threads? Hendrik who is controlled with electricity On 14/08/14 05:00, Archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: That might give her the extra charge she would need to get home. IIRC one of their problems was that Nissan advertised a range of 100 miles, but under normal conditions it only gets 70 miles. That made it close, but they could still make the round trip in bus lanes. Gerry On 8/13/2014 12:46 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Depending on how much extra capacity she needs a small generator might make sense. I've got a 1200w 2 stroke generator that will run 8 hours at 50% load with 1 gallon of gas. It wouldn't make a huge difference but if she only needed a little more... Sounds like her commute was iffy for the car and they're running the AC hard. Stop and go traffic shouldn't hurt the range of an EV anywhere near what it does to a gas car. -Curt ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic
Not even close. Its a 28KWH battery. A solar panel 1 meter by about 3/4 meter produces about 100WH so you'd need to cover a couple parking spaces to get enough power to be useful. -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic How much power is required to recharge the Leaf? I wonder if enough photocells could be put into the windows to recharge enough to get the vehicle home and not have to call for a tow. Might be expensive and cumbersome and most people would not want to put up with that. Randy On 13/08/2014 7:18 PM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes wrote: According to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Leaf stop go really eats into the range, probably to do with using climate control and the physics of getting a stationary object moving. Not sure if the trailer idea would be suitable for everyone, some people are not comfortable towing a trailer, however the concept is good insofar that if you build a proper camping trailer with fridge and 240v power and hook it up to a EV 4x4. Yes the lack of oil threads will be a problem but would they not still use grease in some bearings, M1 grease? Perhaps we'll have to have battery threads? Hendrik who is controlled with electricity On 14/08/14 05:00, Archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: That might give her the extra charge she would need to get home. IIRC one of their problems was that Nissan advertised a range of 100 miles, but under normal conditions it only gets 70 miles. That made it close, but they could still make the round trip in bus lanes. Gerry On 8/13/2014 12:46 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Depending on how much extra capacity she needs a small generator might make sense. I've got a 1200w 2 stroke generator that will run 8 hours at 50% load with 1 gallon of gas. It wouldn't make a huge difference but if she only needed a little more... Sounds like her commute was iffy for the car and they're running the AC hard. Stop and go traffic shouldn't hurt the range of an EV anywhere near what it does to a gas car. -Curt ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic
Aren't you the one that said you only commuted a mile or two a day? Most people only commute something like 10 miles round trip daily which makes the Leaf PERFECT for them. None of the downsides of a gas car, heat comes on faster (its electric) no worry about accelerated wear due to the engine never getting up to operating temp, reduced maintenance costs. How often do you really need to drive a long distance? Zip car would be a perfect compliment, especially for city dwellers. -Curt From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic Sounds like the Leaf is a bit useless unless one never goes more than just a few miles in a day. Not surprising. Electric cars are mostly wishful thinking so far. Don't think they would be very good here in the dead of winter either. Would need the old gas heater from a VW bug in order to keep warm and keep the windows clear. My good wife could likely make do with an electric vehicle in the summer. She rarely takes her car far from home. However, she has a heavy foot and would certainly make it work hard. Randy On 14/08/2014 3:14 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Not even close. Its a 28KWH battery. A solar panel 1 meter by about 3/4 meter produces about 100WH so you'd need to cover a couple parking spaces to get enough power to be useful. -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic How much power is required to recharge the Leaf? I wonder if enough photocells could be put into the windows to recharge enough to get the vehicle home and not have to call for a tow. Might be expensive and cumbersome and most people would not want to put up with that. Randy On 13/08/2014 7:18 PM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes wrote: According to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Leaf stop go really eats into the range, probably to do with using climate control and the physics of getting a stationary object moving. Not sure if the trailer idea would be suitable for everyone, some people are not comfortable towing a trailer, however the concept is good insofar that if you build a proper camping trailer with fridge and 240v power and hook it up to a EV 4x4. Yes the lack of oil threads will be a problem but would they not still use grease in some bearings, M1 grease? Perhaps we'll have to have battery threads? Hendrik who is controlled with electricity On 14/08/14 05:00, Archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: That might give her the extra charge she would need to get home. IIRC one of their problems was that Nissan advertised a range of 100 miles, but under normal conditions it only gets 70 miles. That made it close, but they could still make the round trip in bus lanes. Gerry On 8/13/2014 12:46 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Depending on how much extra capacity she needs a small generator might make sense. I've got a 1200w 2 stroke generator that will run 8 hours at 50% load with 1 gallon of gas. It wouldn't make a huge difference but if she only needed a little more... Sounds like her commute was iffy for the car and they're running the AC hard. Stop and go traffic shouldn't hurt the range of an EV anywhere near what it does to a gas car. -Curt ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic
On 14/08/2014 4:04 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Aren't you the one that said you only commuted a mile or two a day? Most people only commute something like 10 miles round trip daily which makes the Leaf PERFECT for them. None of the downsides of a gas car, heat comes on faster (its electric) no worry about accelerated wear due to the engine never getting up to operating temp, reduced maintenance costs. How often do you really need to drive a long distance? Zip car would be a perfect compliment, especially for city dwellers. -Curt Yes, we have been down this road before justifying my truck etc. The same old problem rears its ugly head. I do not have enough parking spots to park any more more vehicles and I don't think paying another $1K a year to nsure another vehicle plus additional upkeep really makes it worth it for me to have a vehicle purely for my short commute between office and home. It may be hard on it but I have been using my 300D most every day this summer for the short trips around town. If I am going to keep it, then it needs to be used too. The truck goes to the lake a couple of times each month over the summer and to North Dakota about once each month and apart from that, essentially sits waiting for winter when the car will be stored and the snow will justify 4 WD. Don't get me wrong, I would love to have some more vehicles but a Leaf would not be high on the list. I would like a newer Mercedes but don't need one. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic
The issue is still upfront cost, essentially the leaf costs twice as much as a comparable sized car, which are pretty efficient these days, especially with an oil burner under the bonnet. For instance http://volkswagenaustralia.com.au/PassengerVehicleVariants/vehicle/up AU$15k for the 5 door with a 1 litre 55kw. Yes the reduced maintenance thingy has to be factored in (I would assume the leaf or other EVs would still need to be serviced now and then) battery will need replacement at some stage (I think Nissan have a program whereby you can pay a 100 bucks a month to essentially pay off your next battery, which has a warranty of 5 years). I did read some figure on the break even point of an EV and it's not that exciting, something like 8 to 10 years I think or 200k miles(?). Which is a problem, insofar that if you do lots of miles per day then you will need to somehow charge it or tow that trailer to make it there and back. However the break even figures would vary, for instance in a place where fuel is expensive but electricity is cheapish, the break even point would be lower. Hendrik who would like a pink up! On 15/08/14 06:34, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Aren't you the one that said you only commuted a mile or two a day? Most people only commute something like 10 miles round trip daily which makes the Leaf PERFECT for them. None of the downsides of a gas car, heat comes on faster (its electric) no worry about accelerated wear due to the engine never getting up to operating temp, reduced maintenance costs. How often do you really need to drive a long distance? Zip car would be a perfect compliment, especially for city dwellers. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic
And that's the thing with a lot of folks, you have an old car that is essentially paid off, is not too bad on fuel relatively speaking. I can't see the sense in buying a EV in your situation, as you may well never break even, unless fuel goes through the roof and perhaps the gobbermenters come along with some cash incentives. Hendrik who also hard on his vehicles with lots of short trips On 15/08/14 06:48, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Yes, we have been down this road before justifying my truck etc. The same old problem rears its ugly head. I do not have enough parking spots to park any more more vehicles and I don't think paying another $1K a year to nsure another vehicle plus additional upkeep really makes it worth it for me to have a vehicle purely for my short commute between office and home. It may be hard on it but I have been using my 300D most every day this summer for the short trips around town. If I am going to keep it, then it needs to be used too. The truck goes to the lake a couple of times each month over the summer and to North Dakota about once each month and apart from that, essentially sits waiting for winter when the car will be stored and the snow will justify 4 WD. Don't get me wrong, I would love to have some more vehicles but a Leaf would not be high on the list. I would like a newer Mercedes but don't need one. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic
We don't have the UP in the US but the Leaf is more compatible in size to the Golf anyway, its not a teeny tiny car. I sat comfortably in the back seat, bigger than a Versa. If you look at pictures of the Versa and the Leaf the latter has junk in the trunk. That big ass gives it more internal space. -Curt From: Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic The issue is still upfront cost, essentially the leaf costs twice as much as a comparable sized car, which are pretty efficient these days, especially with an oil burner under the bonnet. For instance http://volkswagenaustralia.com.au/PassengerVehicleVariants/vehicle/up AU$15k for the 5 door with a 1 litre 55kw. Yes the reduced maintenance thingy has to be factored in (I would assume the leaf or other EVs would still need to be serviced now and then) battery will need replacement at some stage (I think Nissan have a program whereby you can pay a 100 bucks a month to essentially pay off your next battery, which has a warranty of 5 years). I did read some figure on the break even point of an EV and it's not that exciting, something like 8 to 10 years I think or 200k miles(?). Which is a problem, insofar that if you do lots of miles per day then you will need to somehow charge it or tow that trailer to make it there and back. However the break even figures would vary, for instance in a place where fuel is expensive but electricity is cheapish, the break even point would be lower. Hendrik who would like a pink up! On 15/08/14 06:34, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Aren't you the one that said you only commuted a mile or two a day? Most people only commute something like 10 miles round trip daily which makes the Leaf PERFECT for them. None of the downsides of a gas car, heat comes on faster (its electric) no worry about accelerated wear due to the engine never getting up to operating temp, reduced maintenance costs. How often do you really need to drive a long distance? Zip car would be a perfect compliment, especially for city dwellers. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic
A lot of normal people can't maintain their cars and are probably better off getting rid of their clunker, unlike the good folks here who can keep a hoopty on the road forever. Curt Driver of hooptys. From: Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic And that's the thing with a lot of folks, you have an old car that is essentially paid off, is not too bad on fuel relatively speaking. I can't see the sense in buying a EV in your situation, as you may well never break even, unless fuel goes through the roof and perhaps the gobbermenters come along with some cash incentives. Hendrik who also hard on his vehicles with lots of short trips On 15/08/14 06:48, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Yes, we have been down this road before justifying my truck etc. The same old problem rears its ugly head. I do not have enough parking spots to park any more more vehicles and I don't think paying another $1K a year to nsure another vehicle plus additional upkeep really makes it worth it for me to have a vehicle purely for my short commute between office and home. It may be hard on it but I have been using my 300D most every day this summer for the short trips around town. If I am going to keep it, then it needs to be used too. The truck goes to the lake a couple of times each month over the summer and to North Dakota about once each month and apart from that, essentially sits waiting for winter when the car will be stored and the snow will justify 4 WD. Don't get me wrong, I would love to have some more vehicles but a Leaf would not be high on the list. I would like a newer Mercedes but don't need one. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Kid at the dealership said it'd recharge from dead on 110v in 16 hours. So 8 hours ought to give more than half charge since charging slows as you reach maximum capacity. -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic OK if you work the day shift. Those things can be charged with a 110V outlet though it takes a lot longer, but still, for 8-10 hours should be enough to add some miles of range? --R (don't no nuffin bout no electrical car mosheenerries) On 8/14/14 11:16 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: How much power is required to recharge the Leaf? I wonder if enough photocells could be put into the windows to recharge enough to get the vehicle home and not have to call for a tow. Might be expensive and cumbersome and most people would not want to put up with that. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Oooh, very clever, get the boss to pay for your fuel/electricity. I see some places in Euroland have charging stations, how does that work? Are they free or do drop a coin in them or swipe the credit card? A quick look shows that the leaf is rated at something like 99mpg under the rating system. I think in places where electricity is pretty cheap, they will become more popular as people overcome their fears and such. Also the tech should get better, such as being able to use a standard power cord to charge the beasty. Another question is whether auto makers can make 'traditional' cars more fuel efficient? What will the price of fuel be in ten years or even in a couple of years if those crazies in the middle east get crazier? There was work/trials being done to transfer electricity without wires, enabling EVs to recharge whilst stopped at traffic lights, not sure if that will pan out in the short term? Hendrik who would be happy enough to drive an electric car, no more oil changes On 12/08/14 02:36, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: At the Nissan dealership to drive pickups yesterday I talked him into letting us drive the Nissan Leaf electric car. I know you old bastards all hate anything new and different but you need to go out and try one. Yes its small but the seating area is about the same as my Jetta. No its not tinny or cheap feeling. Yes its VERY quiet. Its not slow, about the same as my Jetta. 100 mile rated range, the kid at the dealership has one and says 80 is more likely. I enjoyed watching the range meter count up while coasting. We went 6 miles on 3 miles of capacity. If I could get my employer to put in a charging station I'd seriously consider one... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes wrote: Oooh, very clever, get the boss to pay for your fuel/electricity. That was my first thought, my 2nd thought is that Curt wouldn't be able to make the round trip in a pure electric without it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Speaking of energy storage, I just saw this - there might be a practical solution after all --- Dr Mitlin's team took these fibres and recycled them into supercapacitors - energy storage devices which are transforming the way electronics are powered. Hemp fibres 'better than graphene' http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-28770876 -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Friend in Frisco Bay area bought a Leaf for his wife to drive to work. There were no charging stations in her work area but under county law, electric vehicles could drive in the inside bus lane which let her avoid the stop and go of morning and evening traffic, and she could make it to work and back home on one charge. A few months after he bought the Leaf, the county decided to bar electric cars from the inside lane and she had to drive in the right stop and go lanes. The second time she ran out of electric and had to be towed home by a wrecker they switched cars and now she drives their Prius and he drives the Leaf locally. The last time I asked, they were still waiting for her employer to install a charging station where his wife works. It might be long wait since she works for the cash strapped county. They thought about buying a battery trailer that is towed behind and extends the Leafs range, but the numbers didn't add up. Here's a European battery trailer: http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1079294_forget-better-place-hook-your-electric-car-to-a-battery-trailer . On 8/13/2014 3:00 AM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes wrote: Oooh, very clever, get the boss to pay for your fuel/electricity. I see some places in Euroland have charging stations, how does that work? Are they free or do drop a coin in them or swipe the credit card? A quick look shows that the leaf is rated at something like 99mpg under the rating system. I think in places where electricity is pretty cheap, they will become more popular as people overcome their fears and such. Also the tech should get better, such as being able to use a standard power cord to charge the beasty. Another question is whether auto makers can make 'traditional' cars more fuel efficient? What will the price of fuel be in ten years or even in a couple of years if those crazies in the middle east get crazier? There was work/trials being done to transfer electricity without wires, enabling EVs to recharge whilst stopped at traffic lights, not sure if that will pan out in the short term? Hendrik who would be happy enough to drive an electric car, no more oil changes On 12/08/14 02:36, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: At the Nissan dealership to drive pickups yesterday I talked him into letting us drive the Nissan Leaf electric car. I know you old bastards all hate anything new and different but you need to go out and try one. Yes its small but the seating area is about the same as my Jetta. No its not tinny or cheap feeling. Yes its VERY quiet. Its not slow, about the same as my Jetta. 100 mile rated range, the kid at the dealership has one and says 80 is more likely. I enjoyed watching the range meter count up while coasting. We went 6 miles on 3 miles of capacity. If I could get my employer to put in a charging station I'd seriously consider one... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Depending on how much extra capacity she needs a small generator might make sense. I've got a 1200w 2 stroke generator that will run 8 hours at 50% load with 1 gallon of gas. It wouldn't make a huge difference but if she only needed a little more... Sounds like her commute was iffy for the car and they're running the AC hard. Stop and go traffic shouldn't hurt the range of an EV anywhere near what it does to a gas car. -Curt From: Archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic Friend in Frisco Bay area bought a Leaf for his wife to drive to work. There were no charging stations in her work area but under county law, electric vehicles could drive in the inside bus lane which let her avoid the stop and go of morning and evening traffic, and she could make it to work and back home on one charge. A few months after he bought the Leaf, the county decided to bar electric cars from the inside lane and she had to drive in the right stop and go lanes. The second time she ran out of electric and had to be towed home by a wrecker they switched cars and now she drives their Prius and he drives the Leaf locally. The last time I asked, they were still waiting for her employer to install a charging station where his wife works. It might be long wait since she works for the cash strapped county. They thought about buying a battery trailer that is towed behind and extends the Leafs range, but the numbers didn't add up. Here's a European battery trailer: http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1079294_forget-better-place-hook-your-electric-car-to-a-battery-trailer . On 8/13/2014 3:00 AM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes wrote: Oooh, very clever, get the boss to pay for your fuel/electricity. I see some places in Euroland have charging stations, how does that work? Are they free or do drop a coin in them or swipe the credit card? A quick look shows that the leaf is rated at something like 99mpg under the rating system. I think in places where electricity is pretty cheap, they will become more popular as people overcome their fears and such. Also the tech should get better, such as being able to use a standard power cord to charge the beasty. Another question is whether auto makers can make 'traditional' cars more fuel efficient? What will the price of fuel be in ten years or even in a couple of years if those crazies in the middle east get crazier? There was work/trials being done to transfer electricity without wires, enabling EVs to recharge whilst stopped at traffic lights, not sure if that will pan out in the short term? Hendrik who would be happy enough to drive an electric car, no more oil changes On 12/08/14 02:36, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: At the Nissan dealership to drive pickups yesterday I talked him into letting us drive the Nissan Leaf electric car. I know you old bastards all hate anything new and different but you need to go out and try one. Yes its small but the seating area is about the same as my Jetta. No its not tinny or cheap feeling. Yes its VERY quiet. Its not slow, about the same as my Jetta. 100 mile rated range, the kid at the dealership has one and says 80 is more likely. I enjoyed watching the range meter count up while coasting. We went 6 miles on 3 miles of capacity. If I could get my employer to put in a charging station I'd seriously consider one... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over
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I think its trading good press to my employer for being green for a little free electricity. Actually I'm willing to pay for the electricity anyway, we're only talking maybe $20/wk. The charging stations take a credit card, or at least the ones I've seen at gas stations and the airport do. -Curt From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes wrote: Oooh, very clever, get the boss to pay for your fuel/electricity. That was my first thought, my 2nd thought is that Curt wouldn't be able to make the round trip in a pure electric without it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I wondered what effect the AC would have, since that is pretty much mandatory down here 8-9 months of the year. Dan Sent from my iPad On Aug 13, 2014, at 12:46 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Depending on how much extra capacity she needs a small generator might make sense. I've got a 1200w 2 stroke generator that will run 8 hours at 50% load with 1 gallon of gas. It wouldn't make a huge difference but if she only needed a little more... Sounds like her commute was iffy for the car and they're running the AC hard. Stop and go traffic shouldn't hurt the range of an EV anywhere near what it does to a gas car. -Curt From: Archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic Friend in Frisco Bay area bought a Leaf for his wife to drive to work. There were no charging stations in her work area but under county law, electric vehicles could drive in the inside bus lane which let her avoid the stop and go of morning and evening traffic, and she could make it to work and back home on one charge. A few months after he bought the Leaf, the county decided to bar electric cars from the inside lane and she had to drive in the right stop and go lanes. The second time she ran out of electric and had to be towed home by a wrecker they switched cars and now she drives their Prius and he drives the Leaf locally. The last time I asked, they were still waiting for ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: They thought about buying a battery trailer that is towed behind and extends the Leafs range, but the numbers didn't add up. Here's a European battery trailer: http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1079294_forget-better-place-hook-your-electric-car-to-a-battery-trailer If it wasn't California, where lawn mower emissions seem to be considered a major crime, I'd say to put a receiver hitch on it, make a generator rack that fits in the hitch, and carry a gas engined generator in the trunk for when the need arises. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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OOPS! Here's the link about the self propelled diesel/battery trailer: http://www.plugincars.com/company-launches-electric-car-range-extending-diesel-powered-trailer-101953.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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On 13/08/2014 2:00 AM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes wrote: Oooh, Hendrik who would be happy enough to drive an electric car, no more oil changes But, then how would we manage to have oil threads? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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On 8/13/2014 1:32 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: Archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: They thought about buying a battery trailer that is towed behind and extends the Leafs range, but the numbers didn't add up. Here's a European battery trailer: http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1079294_forget-better-place-hook-your-electric-car-to-a-battery-trailer If it wasn't California, where lawn mower emissions seem to be considered a major crime, I'd say to put a receiver hitch on it, make a generator rack that fits in the hitch, and carry a gas engined generator in the trunk for when the need arises. Mitch. There is also a trailer with a diesel engine and additional batteries that powers itself along under the control of a computer and input from the hitch as well as other inputs: http://www.popsci.com/cars/article/2010-11/pru-trailer-adds-storage-space-and-700-extra-miles-range-electric-cars ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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If you coast downhill in an EV does that recharge the battery? On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On 8/13/2014 1:32 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: Archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: They thought about buying a battery trailer that is towed behind and extends the Leafs range, but the numbers didn't add up. Here's a European battery trailer: http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1079294_forget- better-place-hook-your-electric-car-to-a-battery-trailer If it wasn't California, where lawn mower emissions seem to be considered a major crime, I'd say to put a receiver hitch on it, make a generator rack that fits in the hitch, and carry a gas engined generator in the trunk for when the need arises. Mitch. There is also a trailer with a diesel engine and additional batteries that powers itself along under the control of a computer and input from the hitch as well as other inputs: http://www.popsci.com/cars/article/2010-11/pru-trailer- adds-storage-space-and-700-extra-miles-range-electric-cars ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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That might give her the extra charge she would need to get home. IIRC one of their problems was that Nissan advertised a range of 100 miles, but under normal conditions it only gets 70 miles. That made it close, but they could still make the round trip in bus lanes. Gerry On 8/13/2014 12:46 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Depending on how much extra capacity she needs a small generator might make sense. I've got a 1200w 2 stroke generator that will run 8 hours at 50% load with 1 gallon of gas. It wouldn't make a huge difference but if she only needed a little more... Sounds like her commute was iffy for the car and they're running the AC hard. Stop and go traffic shouldn't hurt the range of an EV anywhere near what it does to a gas car. -Curt From: Archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic Friend in Frisco Bay area bought a Leaf for his wife to drive to work. There were no charging stations in her work area but under county law, electric vehicles could drive in the inside bus lane which let her avoid the stop and go of morning and evening traffic, and she could make it to work and back home on one charge. A few months after he bought the Leaf, the county decided to bar electric cars from the inside lane and she had to drive in the right stop and go lanes. The second time she ran out of electric and had to be towed home by a wrecker they switched cars and now she drives their Prius and he drives the Leaf locally. The last time I asked, they were still waiting for her employer to install a charging station where his wife works. It might be long wait since she works for the cash strapped county. They thought about buying a battery trailer that is towed behind and extends the Leafs range, but the numbers didn't add up. Here's a European battery trailer: http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1079294_forget-better-place-hook-your-electric-car-to-a-battery-trailer . On 8/13/2014 3:00 AM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes wrote: Oooh, very clever, get the boss to pay for your fuel/electricity. I see some places in Euroland have charging stations, how does that work? Are they free or do drop a coin in them or swipe the credit card? A quick look shows that the leaf is rated at something like 99mpg under the rating system. I think in places where electricity is pretty cheap, they will become more popular as people overcome their fears and such. Also the tech should get better, such as being able to use a standard power cord to charge the beasty. Another question is whether auto makers can make 'traditional' cars more fuel efficient? What will the price of fuel be in ten years or even in a couple of years if those crazies in the middle east get crazier? There was work/trials being done to transfer electricity without wires, enabling EVs to recharge whilst stopped at traffic lights, not sure if that will pan out in the short term? Hendrik who would be happy enough to drive an electric car, no more oil changes On 12/08/14 02:36, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: At the Nissan dealership to drive pickups yesterday I talked him into letting us drive the Nissan Leaf electric car. I know you old bastards all hate anything new and different but you need to go out and try one. Yes its small but the seating area is about the same as my Jetta. No its not tinny or cheap feeling. Yes its VERY quiet. Its not slow, about the same as my Jetta. 100 mile rated range, the kid at the dealership has one and says 80 is more likely. I enjoyed watching the range meter count up while coasting. We went 6 miles on 3 miles of capacity. If I could get my employer to put in a charging station I'd seriously consider one... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive
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Archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: That might give her the extra charge she would need to get home. IIRC one of their problems was that Nissan advertised a range of 100 miles, but under normal conditions it only gets 70 miles. That made it close, but they could still make the round trip in bus lanes. Gerry If heat/AC is a factor, longer trip times = more kwh wasted on creature comforts. If she knows how to drive EV, stopgo should have less effect than on a gasser, but unless her motor-generator and battery are 100% efficient, it will still cost her something. If she's one to hit the brakes when traffic slows instead of planning ahead to let the car regenerate, then stopgo will kill her range. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I thought that the braking action regerated the batteries. WTF? On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: That might give her the extra charge she would need to get home. IIRC one of their problems was that Nissan advertised a range of 100 miles, but under normal conditions it only gets 70 miles. That made it close, but they could still make the round trip in bus lanes. Gerry If heat/AC is a factor, longer trip times = more kwh wasted on creature comforts. If she knows how to drive EV, stopgo should have less effect than on a gasser, but unless her motor-generator and battery are 100% efficient, it will still cost her something. If she's one to hit the brakes when traffic slows instead of planning ahead to let the car regenerate, then stopgo will kill her range. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I thought that the braking action regerated the batteries. WTF? There are friction brakes too. AFAIK, a Prius has an adjustment for how hard you want it to slow down when you lift off the go pedal. Hit the stop pedal and you engage the friction brakes. I believe a Tesla regenerates when you hit the stop pedal and engages the brakes when you push the stop pedal further. Not sure about a Leaf, but any EV or hybrid will have a limit to 'engine braking' and if you decelerate harder than that you're using the service brakes to turn kinetic energy into heat. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Yes. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 15:05:20 -0700 curtludwig--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes. Yes, what? Sent from Sylpheed Mail on Linux ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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According to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Leaf stop go really eats into the range, probably to do with using climate control and the physics of getting a stationary object moving. Not sure if the trailer idea would be suitable for everyone, some people are not comfortable towing a trailer, however the concept is good insofar that if you build a proper camping trailer with fridge and 240v power and hook it up to a EV 4x4. Yes the lack of oil threads will be a problem but would they not still use grease in some bearings, M1 grease? Perhaps we'll have to have battery threads? Hendrik who is controlled with electricity On 14/08/14 05:00, Archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: That might give her the extra charge she would need to get home. IIRC one of their problems was that Nissan advertised a range of 100 miles, but under normal conditions it only gets 70 miles. That made it close, but they could still make the round trip in bus lanes. Gerry On 8/13/2014 12:46 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Depending on how much extra capacity she needs a small generator might make sense. I've got a 1200w 2 stroke generator that will run 8 hours at 50% load with 1 gallon of gas. It wouldn't make a huge difference but if she only needed a little more... Sounds like her commute was iffy for the car and they're running the AC hard. Stop and go traffic shouldn't hurt the range of an EV anywhere near what it does to a gas car. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Yes to everything, no is a negative word that should be banned, ooopps starting to soound like mao. Seriously though, could be this iffy thing where the reply to goes to the original author and the list, I try to delete the author addy when I remember. Hendrik who sometimes forgets...ahhhm..you know...ahh forget it On 14/08/14 09:46, Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 15:05:20 -0700 curtludwig--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes. Yes, what? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic
Yes EVs do recharge when coasting. Its called regenerative braking. Both the Leaf and Prius have braking settings where the car is more aggressive about slowing down when you get off the accelerator. -Curt From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: curtlud...@yahoo.com curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 15:05:20 -0700 curtludwig--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes. Yes, what? Sent from Sylpheed Mail on Linux ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic
On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 18:13:43 -0700 Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes EVs do recharge when coasting. Its called regenerative braking. Both the Leaf and Prius have braking settings where the car is more aggressive about slowing down when you get off the accelerator. Thanks! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic
Andrew wrote: If you coast downhill in an EV does that recharge the battery? Coasting? No. Braking - yes, at some level. Those of us who are familiar with driving an internal combustion engine are familiar with engine braking caused by the restriction of air passing through the engine. This level of braking is almost always regenerated in an electric. It's possible to get almost the same amount of negative acceleration as positive acceleration in an electric vehicle, so on some the service brake (activated with the pedal) will regenerate up to that point. On almost all vehicles, the brake system is more capable than the thrust system so all modern electric vehicles that I know of also have friction brakes when more braking power is needed than can be developed by the regeneration process. The friction brakes just turn motion into heat. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
