Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
NOt so on my MIG, electrode (wire) is hot when macfhine is on. Pulling trigger advances the wire, it hits "Ground" and starts to burn. -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 19Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 286 KMI Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 87 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:06:27 -0800 (PST), you wrote: > >It can be, its not hot until you pull the trigger. I usually leave something >like 1/16" between the wire and the work because I'm usually welding rusty >crap and if its touching and doesn't spark right away but then sparks I get a >piece of wire sticking out... > >-Curt > >Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:20:51 -0500 >From: "archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day >To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >Is the wire touching when you pull the trigger? >Gerry >.. >> Way easier overall. Pull the trigger, the arc strikes and you weld as > much >> as you need. >> I did some ARC welding but had a very hard time getting a reliable > arc. Of >> course I was usually welding some pretty rusty stuff. My last project > was >> all clean material and I did alot better. >> -Curt > >> My only experience is with stick and acetylene welding. Haven't > quite >> figured out why MIGs are so popular. Easier to weld sheet metal? >> Constant >> welding without stopping to change sticks? Less power needed? >> Gerry > > > > > > > >- >Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
It can be, its not hot until you pull the trigger. I usually leave something like 1/16" between the wire and the work because I'm usually welding rusty crap and if its touching and doesn't spark right away but then sparks I get a piece of wire sticking out... -Curt Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:20:51 -0500 From: "archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Is the wire touching when you pull the trigger? Gerry .. > Way easier overall. Pull the trigger, the arc strikes and you weld as much > as you need. > I did some ARC welding but had a very hard time getting a reliable arc. Of > course I was usually welding some pretty rusty stuff. My last project was > all clean material and I did alot better. > -Curt > My only experience is with stick and acetylene welding. Haven't quite > figured out why MIGs are so popular. Easier to weld sheet metal? > Constant > welding without stopping to change sticks? Less power needed? > Gerry - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
Not mine - and mine is not a very expensive helmet. It darkens instantly - I never see a flash.-- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Allan Streib" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 11:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day > I've heard that the self-darkening shields do allow a momentary flash > when you first strike the arc, extended use can lead to a "dry eye" > feeling due to the repeated, but short, UV exposure. > > Allan > > > On Dec 28, 2007, at 6:45 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: > >> Alex Chamberlain wrote: >>>> Oh and for you amatuer welders out there: a self darkening >>>> welding helmet >>>> makes ALL the difference in the world. >>>> >>> >>> Why's that? Just because it's faster than flipping up and down an >>> ordinary >>> mask to inspect your work? >> >> Because you can strike the arc while watching, instead of taking a >> hand >> away from what you are doing, dropping the helmet, and then trying to >> work blind until you light the arc in the wrong place and can see >> where >> the arc went. >> >> Mitch. >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1201 - Release Date: > 12/28/2007 11:51 AM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Welding day
Several years ago, I bought a cheap Lincoln wire feed MiG with a kit to use gas cover. With it, I could do a serviceable weld in CLEAN sheet metal. I fixed the floors in my Met. Very ugly as welds were badly contaminated due to the floor having some type of rust preventative on it The big problem was that the duty cycle on the welder was about 20 seconds before it would go off on safety. I fooled to DMV inspector who wouldn't pass the very neat Pop Rivet job the P/O had done. I put the welder in a corner, anything I needed to weld for a few years I did at work with our TIG. 2 years ago I wanted to build a BBQ out of a 55 gal drum and a bunch of scrap angle iron. HInt: Old bed frames are very good raw stock! I trusted friend suggested that I loose the gas cover and use flux filled wire. His rationale: My machine couldn't melt .035 wire, it was too small capacity. .035 flux filled wire has much less metal to melt. I built my BBQ! Welds needed multiple passes and had to be chipped in between. They have good penetration and are functional. The BBQ has been used & abused for several year, we've never lost a rack of ribs from poor welding! -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 19Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 286 KMI Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 87 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 07:41:34 -0500, you wrote: >The extra power output of the 180 is a big plus. I'm often wishing I >had more power. That lets you use a larger wire which means you finish >sooner and use less gas (depending on the task at hand). More power >penetrates deeper allowing you to get a good weld on thicker >materials. I'll defer the choice between the T and C models to someone >that has actually used them. > >-Dave Walton > >On Dec 30, 2007 7:21 AM, archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Shopping.com lists several Lincoln welders (#140-180) in the $600-$800 range >> that will take the $170 spool gun: >> .. >> "BRAND NEW LINCOLN MAGNUM SPOOL GUN (K2532-1) For use with new Power Mig 140 >> or 180. No additional requirements, ready to plug into welder and run" >> http://www10.shopping.com/xGS-Lincoln_Mig_Welders~NS-1~linkin_id-8000718 >> ... >> If you were buying one of the welders on the above website, which one would >> you buy (assuming you didn't want to spend more than around $1000 for the >> welder/spool gun? >> Thanks, >> >> Gerry >> --- >> From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > All the "Old Timers" that I know and have learned from have a bias >> > towards Lincoln. They refuse to even try an auto-darkening helmet - >> > but all agree it is a good thing for us youngsters. They also say that >> > a single accidental flash without a mask in place can cause permanent >> > damage. One guy has been using the same mask for over 50 years. >> >> > Lincoln has a $200 spool gun. Make sure that is an option on whatever >> > model you get. It allows you to mig weld aluminum. I got a Miller and >> > regret it. The spool gun option costs more than I paid for the base >> > unit. >> > -Dave Walton >> >> > On Dec 29, 2007 7:31 PM, archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Lowes has (4?) sizes of MIG welders. The largest is 220v; the others >> >> 110v. >> >> How many max amps would you need for light shop work and an occasional >> >> trailer hitch? >> >> Is Hobart still a good brand? >> >> Gerry >> >> --- >> >> From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > *Anyone* can do a decent mig weld the same day they first try it. Tig >> >> > actually requires some coordination. Start off with an old brake rotor >> >> > and move your way down to a coffee can. Thinner materials are harder >> >> > to weld. >> >> > With a Mig welder and a plasma cutter, you can do about anything. >> >> > >> >> > -Dave Walton >> >> > >> >> > On Dec 29, 2007 10:07 AM, Dave H... <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> My biggest need for welding would be #1: welding fittings into 55 >> >> >> gallon >> >> >> drums and #2: constructing sheet metal tanks. >> >> >> >> >> >> I know nothing about welding (
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
The extra power output of the 180 is a big plus. I'm often wishing I had more power. That lets you use a larger wire which means you finish sooner and use less gas (depending on the task at hand). More power penetrates deeper allowing you to get a good weld on thicker materials. I'll defer the choice between the T and C models to someone that has actually used them. -Dave Walton On Dec 30, 2007 7:21 AM, archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Shopping.com lists several Lincoln welders (#140-180) in the $600-$800 range > that will take the $170 spool gun: > .. > "BRAND NEW LINCOLN MAGNUM SPOOL GUN (K2532-1) For use with new Power Mig 140 > or 180. No additional requirements, ready to plug into welder and run" > http://www10.shopping.com/xGS-Lincoln_Mig_Welders~NS-1~linkin_id-8000718 > ... > If you were buying one of the welders on the above website, which one would > you buy (assuming you didn't want to spend more than around $1000 for the > welder/spool gun? > Thanks, > > Gerry > --- > From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > All the "Old Timers" that I know and have learned from have a bias > > towards Lincoln. They refuse to even try an auto-darkening helmet - > > but all agree it is a good thing for us youngsters. They also say that > > a single accidental flash without a mask in place can cause permanent > > damage. One guy has been using the same mask for over 50 years. > > > Lincoln has a $200 spool gun. Make sure that is an option on whatever > > model you get. It allows you to mig weld aluminum. I got a Miller and > > regret it. The spool gun option costs more than I paid for the base > > unit. > > -Dave Walton > > > On Dec 29, 2007 7:31 PM, archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Lowes has (4?) sizes of MIG welders. The largest is 220v; the others > >> 110v. > >> How many max amps would you need for light shop work and an occasional > >> trailer hitch? > >> Is Hobart still a good brand? > >> Gerry > >> --- > >> From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > *Anyone* can do a decent mig weld the same day they first try it. Tig > >> > actually requires some coordination. Start off with an old brake rotor > >> > and move your way down to a coffee can. Thinner materials are harder > >> > to weld. > >> > With a Mig welder and a plasma cutter, you can do about anything. > >> > > >> > -Dave Walton > >> > > >> > On Dec 29, 2007 10:07 AM, Dave H... <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> My biggest need for welding would be #1: welding fittings into 55 > >> >> gallon > >> >> drums and #2: constructing sheet metal tanks. > >> >> > >> >> I know nothing about welding (I have been an electrician building > >> >> submarines > >> >> for General Dynamics and do know how to inspect a weld but not perform > >> >> any > >> >> welding) what is the groups recommendation for a welding setup for me? > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Dave H... > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 9:54 AM > >> >> To: "Diesel List" > >> >> > >> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > Itsa whole different process. > >> >> > MIG is supposed to be better for fast and dirty welding, especially > >> >> > when > >> >> > the materials you're joining aren't perfectly clean, my snowmobile > >> >> > exhaust > >> >> > for instance. > >> >> > TIG makes a cleaner prettier weld but its slower because its a > >> >> > separate > >> >> > torch and filler rod deal. Its also much better for aluminium. > >> >> > > >> >> > I'd surely love to have the money for a TIG setup, of course if I > >> >> > did > >> >> > have > >> >> > that money I'd probably be better off spending it on a better MIG... > >> >> > > >> >&
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
Shopping.com lists several Lincoln welders (#140-180) in the $600-$800 range that will take the $170 spool gun: .. "BRAND NEW LINCOLN MAGNUM SPOOL GUN (K2532-1) For use with new Power Mig 140 or 180. No additional requirements, ready to plug into welder and run" http://www10.shopping.com/xGS-Lincoln_Mig_Welders~NS-1~linkin_id-8000718 ... If you were buying one of the welders on the above website, which one would you buy (assuming you didn't want to spend more than around $1000 for the welder/spool gun? Thanks, Gerry --- From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > All the "Old Timers" that I know and have learned from have a bias > towards Lincoln. They refuse to even try an auto-darkening helmet - > but all agree it is a good thing for us youngsters. They also say that > a single accidental flash without a mask in place can cause permanent > damage. One guy has been using the same mask for over 50 years. > Lincoln has a $200 spool gun. Make sure that is an option on whatever > model you get. It allows you to mig weld aluminum. I got a Miller and > regret it. The spool gun option costs more than I paid for the base > unit. > -Dave Walton > On Dec 29, 2007 7:31 PM, archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Lowes has (4?) sizes of MIG welders. The largest is 220v; the others >> 110v. >> How many max amps would you need for light shop work and an occasional >> trailer hitch? >> Is Hobart still a good brand? >> Gerry >> --- >> From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > *Anyone* can do a decent mig weld the same day they first try it. Tig >> > actually requires some coordination. Start off with an old brake rotor >> > and move your way down to a coffee can. Thinner materials are harder >> > to weld. >> > With a Mig welder and a plasma cutter, you can do about anything. >> > >> > -Dave Walton >> > >> > On Dec 29, 2007 10:07 AM, Dave H... <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> My biggest need for welding would be #1: welding fittings into 55 >> >> gallon >> >> drums and #2: constructing sheet metal tanks. >> >> >> >> I know nothing about welding (I have been an electrician building >> >> submarines >> >> for General Dynamics and do know how to inspect a weld but not perform >> >> any >> >> welding) what is the groups recommendation for a welding setup for me? >> >> >> >> >> >> Dave H... >> >> >> >> -- >> >> From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 9:54 AM >> >> To: "Diesel List" >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Itsa whole different process. >> >> > MIG is supposed to be better for fast and dirty welding, especially >> >> > when >> >> > the materials you're joining aren't perfectly clean, my snowmobile >> >> > exhaust >> >> > for instance. >> >> > TIG makes a cleaner prettier weld but its slower because its a >> >> > separate >> >> > torch and filler rod deal. Its also much better for aluminium. >> >> > >> >> > I'd surely love to have the money for a TIG setup, of course if I >> >> > did >> >> > have >> >> > that money I'd probably be better off spending it on a better MIG... >> >> > >> >> > -Curt >> >> > >> >> > Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 04:46:14 -0500 >> >> > From: "archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day >> >> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >> >> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> >> > reply-type=original >> >> > >> >> > What's the advantage of a TIG welder over a MIG welder? The prices >> >> > on >> >> > TIG >> >> > welders are quite a bit more than MIG welders. I've been told that >> >> > it's >> >> > easier to weld aluminum with a TIG, and that a TIG is better when >> >> > welding >> >> > different metals together. >> >> > Gerry >> >> > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
I see your point. Thanks, Gerry -- > From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > When you are learning to weld, you will make mistakes. A common > mistake is to strike an arc accidentally when lining up to start the > weld. That can happen on Tig, Mig, or stick. If you do that without a > mask in place or with the visor flipped up, you expose your cornea to > a huge dose of UV and can literally burn a hole in your retina before > your brain says "Blink". > An auto-darkening mask is not transparent to begin with. It starts > somewhere around a 3-5 shade. Most let you adjust that. Even if the > auto-dark fails, it still saved your butt. > > -Dave Walton > > On Dec 29, 2007 8:19 PM, archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I'm a little dubious about the safety of the darkening mask since it does >> have some effect on the eyes. What is the cumulative "long term" effect, >> if >> any, I wonder? >> Gerry >> >> > That would be a huge step backwards from a modern instant mask. >> > Regards, >> > Peter T. Arnold >> - >> >> >>Wonder if anyone has ever built a motorized mask with a pushbutton on >> >>the >> >>stick holder. Push the button and the mask flips up, push it again and >> >>it >> >>flips down. Bet someone on the list could build one if they wanted to. >> >>Gerry >> >>--- >> >>> When you're tacking sheetmetal together you do a little weld here, a >> >>> little over there, a little in the middle, back over here, back over >> >>> there, some farther along. Its nice to be able to reposition... >> >>> >> >>> But what I was really comparing it to was the crappy mask they give >> >>> you >> >>> that you have to hold with one hand while you try to work. A real >> >>> mask >> >>> is >> >>> so much better. >> >>> >> >>> -Curt >> >>> >> >>> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:35:32 -0800 >> >>> From: "Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day >> >>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >> >>> Message-ID: >> >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >>> >> >>> On Dec 28, 2007 2:28 PM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Oh and for you amatuer welders out there: a self darkening welding >> >>> helmet >> >>>> makes ALL the difference in the world. >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> Why's that? Just because it's faster than flipping up and down an >> >>> ordinary >> >>> mask to inspect your work? >> >>> >> >>> (Not trying to argue, just about to start welding myself and >> >>> interested >> >>> in >> >>> getting off on the right foot... although, having seen some of my >> >>> soldering >> >>> handiwork, Jim may feel free to point out there's no right foot for >> >>> me >> >>> where >> >>> fire and metal are involved.) >> >>> >> >>> Alex Chamberlain >> >>> '87 300D Turbo et al. >> >> >> >> >> >>___ >> >>http://www.okiebenz.com >> >>For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> >>For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >>To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >>http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1200 - Release Date: >> > 12/27/2007 1:34 PM >> > >> > >> >> >> ___ >> >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1200 - Release Date: > 12/27/2007 1:34 PM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
When you are learning to weld, you will make mistakes. A common mistake is to strike an arc accidentally when lining up to start the weld. That can happen on Tig, Mig, or stick. If you do that without a mask in place or with the visor flipped up, you expose your cornea to a huge dose of UV and can literally burn a hole in your retina before your brain says "Blink". An auto-darkening mask is not transparent to begin with. It starts somewhere around a 3-5 shade. Most let you adjust that. Even if the auto-dark fails, it still saved your butt. -Dave Walton On Dec 29, 2007 8:19 PM, archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm a little dubious about the safety of the darkening mask since it does > have some effect on the eyes. What is the cumulative "long term" effect, if > any, I wonder? > Gerry > > > That would be a huge step backwards from a modern instant mask. > > Regards, > > Peter T. Arnold > - > > >>Wonder if anyone has ever built a motorized mask with a pushbutton on the > >>stick holder. Push the button and the mask flips up, push it again and it > >>flips down. Bet someone on the list could build one if they wanted to. > >>Gerry > >>--- > >>> When you're tacking sheetmetal together you do a little weld here, a > >>> little over there, a little in the middle, back over here, back over > >>> there, some farther along. Its nice to be able to reposition... > >>> > >>> But what I was really comparing it to was the crappy mask they give you > >>> that you have to hold with one hand while you try to work. A real mask > >>> is > >>> so much better. > >>> > >>> -Curt > >>> > >>> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:35:32 -0800 > >>> From: "Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day > >>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > >>> Message-ID: > >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >>> > >>> On Dec 28, 2007 2:28 PM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Oh and for you amatuer welders out there: a self darkening welding > >>> helmet > >>>> makes ALL the difference in the world. > >>>> > >>> > >>> Why's that? Just because it's faster than flipping up and down an > >>> ordinary > >>> mask to inspect your work? > >>> > >>> (Not trying to argue, just about to start welding myself and interested > >>> in > >>> getting off on the right foot... although, having seen some of my > >>> soldering > >>> handiwork, Jim may feel free to point out there's no right foot for me > >>> where > >>> fire and metal are involved.) > >>> > >>> Alex Chamberlain > >>> '87 300D Turbo et al. > >> > >> > >>___ > >>http://www.okiebenz.com > >>For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >>For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >>To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1200 - Release Date: > > 12/27/2007 1:34 PM > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
All the "Old Timers" that I know and have learned from have a bias towards Lincoln. They refuse to even try an auto-darkening helmet - but all agree it is a good thing for us youngsters. They also say that a single accidental flash without a mask in place can cause permanent damage. One guy has been using the same mask for over 50 years. Lincoln has a $200 spool gun. Make sure that is an option on whatever model you get. It allows you to mig weld aluminum. I got a Miller and regret it. The spool gun option costs more than I paid for the base unit. -Dave Walton On Dec 29, 2007 7:31 PM, archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lowes has (4?) sizes of MIG welders. The largest is 220v; the others 110v. > How many max amps would you need for light shop work and an occasional > trailer hitch? > Is Hobart still a good brand? > Gerry > --- > From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > *Anyone* can do a decent mig weld the same day they first try it. Tig > > actually requires some coordination. Start off with an old brake rotor > > and move your way down to a coffee can. Thinner materials are harder > > to weld. > > With a Mig welder and a plasma cutter, you can do about anything. > > > > -Dave Walton > > > > On Dec 29, 2007 10:07 AM, Dave H... <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> My biggest need for welding would be #1: welding fittings into 55 gallon > >> drums and #2: constructing sheet metal tanks. > >> > >> I know nothing about welding (I have been an electrician building > >> submarines > >> for General Dynamics and do know how to inspect a weld but not perform > >> any > >> welding) what is the groups recommendation for a welding setup for me? > >> > >> > >> Dave H... > >> > >> -- > >> From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 9:54 AM > >> To: "Diesel List" > >> > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day > >> > >> > > >> > Itsa whole different process. > >> > MIG is supposed to be better for fast and dirty welding, especially > >> > when > >> > the materials you're joining aren't perfectly clean, my snowmobile > >> > exhaust > >> > for instance. > >> > TIG makes a cleaner prettier weld but its slower because its a separate > >> > torch and filler rod deal. Its also much better for aluminium. > >> > > >> > I'd surely love to have the money for a TIG setup, of course if I did > >> > have > >> > that money I'd probably be better off spending it on a better MIG... > >> > > >> > -Curt > >> > > >> > Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 04:46:14 -0500 > >> > From: "archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day > >> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > >> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > >> > reply-type=original > >> > > >> > What's the advantage of a TIG welder over a MIG welder? The prices on > >> > TIG > >> > welders are quite a bit more than MIG welders. I've been told that > >> > it's > >> > easier to weld aluminum with a TIG, and that a TIG is better when > >> > welding > >> > different metals together. > >> > Gerry > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > - > >> > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! > >> > Search. > >> > ___ > >> > http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >> > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/l
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
> Is the wire touching when you pull the trigger? No, but it will be soon as it spools out! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
No, I always keep a pair of dyke's handy and clip the wire even with the end of the gas flange if it is a little passed. You want the gas to start an instant before the wire feeds that last quarter inch to the base and starts the arc. On 12/29/07, archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is the wire touching when you pull the trigger? > Gerry > .. > > Way easier overall. Pull the trigger, the arc strikes and you weld as > much > > as you need. > > I did some ARC welding but had a very hard time getting a reliable arc. > Of > > course I was usually welding some pretty rusty stuff. My last project > was > > all clean material and I did alot better. > > -Curt > > > My only experience is with stick and acetylene welding. Haven't quite > > figured out why MIGs are so popular. Easier to weld sheet metal? > > Constant > > welding without stopping to change sticks? Less power needed? > > Gerry > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- OK Richard 1987 300D 193k with miles and miles to go!!! Midwest City, Oklahoma ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
Yes MIG is better, less heat build up which distorts the sheet metal, but you have got to use the gas with it. A lot of people try to just use the welder with out the gas and you will not get good clean fast welds. Also you still only want to weld about half to one inch at a time with at least 6 to 8 inches between welds. Then let them cool to touch before welding the next half to one inch. A lot of times you can get great deal at the local votech if you have all the prep work done and all the student has to do is weld the patch in, but make sure you watch them do it so they don't rush it and overheat/distort the metal. On 12/29/07, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have some rust repair to do on the SLC - and used to be pretty good > at patching up rusted sheet metal with oxy-acetylene. Is MIG better > for welding under cars, igniting less undercoating, etc.??? > > > -- > OK Don, KD5NRO > Norman, OK > "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." > -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain > '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- OK Richard 1987 300D 193k with miles and miles to go!!! Midwest City, Oklahoma ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
I just make a little brow on the aluminum foil hat I wear for protection from the black helicopters... -- Regards, Pete Arnold You only need two things in life... Duct tape and WD40 If it moves and shouldn't...use the duct tape. If it doesn't move and should...use the WD40! On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:19:45 -0500, you wrote: >I'm a little dubious about the safety of the darkening mask since it does >have some effect on the eyes. What is the cumulative "long term" effect, if >any, I wonder? >Gerry > >> That would be a huge step backwards from a modern instant mask. >> Regards, >> Peter T. Arnold >- >>>Wonder if anyone has ever built a motorized mask with a pushbutton on the >>>stick holder. Push the button and the mask flips up, push it again and it >>>flips down. Bet someone on the list could build one if they wanted to. >>>Gerry >>>--- >>>> When you're tacking sheetmetal together you do a little weld here, a >>>> little over there, a little in the middle, back over here, back over >>>> there, some farther along. Its nice to be able to reposition... >>>> >>>> But what I was really comparing it to was the crappy mask they give you >>>> that you have to hold with one hand while you try to work. A real mask >>>> is >>>> so much better. >>>> >>>> -Curt >>>> >>>> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:35:32 -0800 >>>> From: "Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day >>>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >>>> Message-ID: >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>>> >>>> On Dec 28, 2007 2:28 PM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Oh and for you amatuer welders out there: a self darkening welding >>>> helmet >>>>> makes ALL the difference in the world. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Why's that? Just because it's faster than flipping up and down an >>>> ordinary >>>> mask to inspect your work? >>>> >>>> (Not trying to argue, just about to start welding myself and interested >>>> in >>>> getting off on the right foot... although, having seen some of my >>>> soldering >>>> handiwork, Jim may feel free to point out there's no right foot for me >>>> where >>>> fire and metal are involved.) >>>> >>>> Alex Chamberlain >>>> '87 300D Turbo et al. >>> >>> >>>___ >>>http://www.okiebenz.com >>>For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>>For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>>To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1200 - Release Date: >> 12/27/2007 1:34 PM >> >> > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
I'm a little dubious about the safety of the darkening mask since it does have some effect on the eyes. What is the cumulative "long term" effect, if any, I wonder? Gerry > That would be a huge step backwards from a modern instant mask. > Regards, > Peter T. Arnold - >>Wonder if anyone has ever built a motorized mask with a pushbutton on the >>stick holder. Push the button and the mask flips up, push it again and it >>flips down. Bet someone on the list could build one if they wanted to. >>Gerry >>--- >>> When you're tacking sheetmetal together you do a little weld here, a >>> little over there, a little in the middle, back over here, back over >>> there, some farther along. Its nice to be able to reposition... >>> >>> But what I was really comparing it to was the crappy mask they give you >>> that you have to hold with one hand while you try to work. A real mask >>> is >>> so much better. >>> >>> -Curt >>> >>> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:35:32 -0800 >>> From: "Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day >>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >>> Message-ID: >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> On Dec 28, 2007 2:28 PM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>> Oh and for you amatuer welders out there: a self darkening welding >>> helmet >>>> makes ALL the difference in the world. >>>> >>> >>> Why's that? Just because it's faster than flipping up and down an >>> ordinary >>> mask to inspect your work? >>> >>> (Not trying to argue, just about to start welding myself and interested >>> in >>> getting off on the right foot... although, having seen some of my >>> soldering >>> handiwork, Jim may feel free to point out there's no right foot for me >>> where >>> fire and metal are involved.) >>> >>> Alex Chamberlain >>> '87 300D Turbo et al. >> >> >>___ >>http://www.okiebenz.com >>For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1200 - Release Date: > 12/27/2007 1:34 PM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
Lowes has (4?) sizes of MIG welders. The largest is 220v; the others 110v. How many max amps would you need for light shop work and an occasional trailer hitch? Is Hobart still a good brand? Gerry --- From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > *Anyone* can do a decent mig weld the same day they first try it. Tig > actually requires some coordination. Start off with an old brake rotor > and move your way down to a coffee can. Thinner materials are harder > to weld. > With a Mig welder and a plasma cutter, you can do about anything. > > -Dave Walton > > On Dec 29, 2007 10:07 AM, Dave H... <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> My biggest need for welding would be #1: welding fittings into 55 gallon >> drums and #2: constructing sheet metal tanks. >> >> I know nothing about welding (I have been an electrician building >> submarines >> for General Dynamics and do know how to inspect a weld but not perform >> any >> welding) what is the groups recommendation for a welding setup for me? >> >> >> Dave H... >> >> -- >> From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 9:54 AM >> To: "Diesel List" >> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day >> >> > >> > Itsa whole different process. >> > MIG is supposed to be better for fast and dirty welding, especially >> > when >> > the materials you're joining aren't perfectly clean, my snowmobile >> > exhaust >> > for instance. >> > TIG makes a cleaner prettier weld but its slower because its a separate >> > torch and filler rod deal. Its also much better for aluminium. >> > >> > I'd surely love to have the money for a TIG setup, of course if I did >> > have >> > that money I'd probably be better off spending it on a better MIG... >> > >> > -Curt >> > >> > Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 04:46:14 -0500 >> > From: "archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day >> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> > reply-type=original >> > >> > What's the advantage of a TIG welder over a MIG welder? The prices on >> > TIG >> > welders are quite a bit more than MIG welders. I've been told that >> > it's >> > easier to weld aluminum with a TIG, and that a TIG is better when >> > welding >> > different metals together. >> > Gerry >> > >> > >> > >> > - >> > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! >> > Search. >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1200 - Release Date: > 12/27/2007 1:34 PM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
Is the wire touching when you pull the trigger? Gerry .. > Way easier overall. Pull the trigger, the arc strikes and you weld as much > as you need. > I did some ARC welding but had a very hard time getting a reliable arc. Of > course I was usually welding some pretty rusty stuff. My last project was > all clean material and I did alot better. > -Curt > My only experience is with stick and acetylene welding. Haven't quite > figured out why MIGs are so popular. Easier to weld sheet metal? > Constant > welding without stopping to change sticks? Less power needed? > Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
That would be a huge step backwards from a modern instant mask. -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 19Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 286 KMI Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 87 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 14:33:06 -0500, you wrote: >Wonder if anyone has ever built a motorized mask with a pushbutton on the >stick holder. Push the button and the mask flips up, push it again and it >flips down. Bet someone on the list could build one if they wanted to. >Gerry >--- >> When you're tacking sheetmetal together you do a little weld here, a >> little over there, a little in the middle, back over here, back over >> there, some farther along. Its nice to be able to reposition... >> >> But what I was really comparing it to was the crappy mask they give you >> that you have to hold with one hand while you try to work. A real mask is >> so much better. >> >> -Curt >> >> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:35:32 -0800 >> From: "Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >> Message-ID: >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> On Dec 28, 2007 2:28 PM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Oh and for you amatuer welders out there: a self darkening welding >> helmet >>> makes ALL the difference in the world. >>> >> >> Why's that? Just because it's faster than flipping up and down an >> ordinary >> mask to inspect your work? >> >> (Not trying to argue, just about to start welding myself and interested >> in >> getting off on the right foot... although, having seen some of my >> soldering >> handiwork, Jim may feel free to point out there's no right foot for me >> where >> fire and metal are involved.) >> >> Alex Chamberlain >> '87 300D Turbo et al. > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
Hi, Now at age 61 I still sometimes gas weld when the torch is portable and I have no want to drag out the gennie powered stick welder. Flame welding is as good as any other in some cases. Carbon is formed by the torch being adjusted without a neutral flame i.e. too hot with too much Oxygen. Slow down the heat and take your time to do a proper weld. I have welded aluminum castings with a propane torch. I have seen others weld aluminum sheet metal with a oxy-acetylene small torch. Use the right size torch for the job at hand. A cutting/heating torch is not a do-all tool. Ed in Chicago Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gas welding will add loads of carbon to any steel, hardening it. The heat from gas is much LESS concentrated (only the arc and immediately adjacent metal are heated directly in arc welding, gas you have to have a flame, and it will be much larger than even a big arc.). I would suspect that gas welding exists because it was all that was available before electric arc welding was invented. I don't know of anyone using it except as a novelty. Brazing is another story, but it's not welding. MIG is the best way to handle sheet metal as you have the most control over it, and the inert gas means no slag. TIG might even be better if you have the setup. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
Wonder if anyone has ever built a motorized mask with a pushbutton on the stick holder. Push the button and the mask flips up, push it again and it flips down. Bet someone on the list could build one if they wanted to. Gerry --- > When you're tacking sheetmetal together you do a little weld here, a > little over there, a little in the middle, back over here, back over > there, some farther along. Its nice to be able to reposition... > > But what I was really comparing it to was the crappy mask they give you > that you have to hold with one hand while you try to work. A real mask is > so much better. > > -Curt > > Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:35:32 -0800 > From: "Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Dec 28, 2007 2:28 PM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Oh and for you amatuer welders out there: a self darkening welding > helmet >> makes ALL the difference in the world. >> > > Why's that? Just because it's faster than flipping up and down an > ordinary > mask to inspect your work? > > (Not trying to argue, just about to start welding myself and interested > in > getting off on the right foot... although, having seen some of my > soldering > handiwork, Jim may feel free to point out there's no right foot for me > where > fire and metal are involved.) > > Alex Chamberlain > '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
TIG is tungsten inert gas -- the mateial used to fill is separate from the arc, so can be anything. The arc is between a tungsten electrode (which theoretically won't melt) and the base material -- fill material is a rod inserted into the arc so that it melts into the base material. In a completely inert atmosphere you can weld things like magnesium and titanium which would combust otherwise, even under CO2. My brother reports that it requires much more dexterity than MIG as you have to keep both hands coordinated, not just one! For sheer bulk fill, it's hard to beat rods, and you are not limited to the ability to draw materials into wire, but even there a wire feed MIG is a nice thing -- you can keep welding continuously with no need to remove slag from the barrier material. Yes, I've seen people who can keep an continuous arc with a stick for a long time, but wire is easier and yeilds better welds most of the time (no trapped slag filled voids). . And yes, MIG welding, particularly on sheet metal, seems to require much less practice and skill -- a great boon to those of us who only weld once in a while, not every day! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
I am no welder, so know that up front. > What's the advantage of a TIG welder over a MIG welder? The prices on > TIG > welders are quite a bit more than MIG welders. I've been told that > it's > easier to weld aluminum with a TIG, and that a TIG is better when > welding > different metals together. I think that might be better worded "welding a variety of different metals". Yes, in that case. > My only experience is with stick and acetylene welding. Haven't quite > figured out why MIGs are so popular. Easier to weld sheet metal? > Constant > welding without stopping to change sticks? Less power needed? Yes. > I have some rust repair to do on the SLC - and used to be pretty good > at patching up rusted sheet metal with oxy-acetylene. Is MIG better > for welding under cars, igniting less undercoating, etc.??? The heat is much more concentrated and localized. The nickname for MIG is "glue gun". And so it is, when welding under optimal conditions. My take is that TIG is the new-and-improved version of gas welding, and that MIG is the new-and-improved stick welder, and that both _are_ considerable improvements. Not that either can completely replace their predecessors, the well-rounded welding dilettante will have all of the equipment, of course. I still don't have a TIG setup, but occasionally I wish I did. But I will want one that has excellent small-piece capabilities. (For example, Frankensteining a new end on a fried switch contact. I'd like to be able to do that if required.) If _all_ you could have was one, gas is the most flexible. Besides welding, there's cutting, brazing, heavy soldering, heating, bending. But there's a lot of waste heat to deal with. MIG is nice for sheet metal, and regular joining. But stick can have more power, and has a considerably better selection of more exotic filler material, such as hard-facing, etc. It's probably also the cheapest method, especially if you score rod at yard and clearance sales. You can also use it to thaw metal pipes. MIG can do aluminum, but really requires additional special equipment. (Spool gun and argon tank.) MIG (or TIG) was required to fix the rust hole in the trunk channel on that 380SL. Stick would have been too crude, unless perhaps in the hands of a real artist. Gas has too much waste heat, no way I could have done it without ruining the nearby paint that shows. IMHO, you will really eventually need them all. But I _am_ a tool junkie. (OK, I don't know why one would need a carbon arc kit for the stick welder, given the presence of gas. So naturally I have a cheap and nasty one, it came with the house!) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
*Anyone* can do a decent mig weld the same day they first try it. Tig actually requires some coordination. Start off with an old brake rotor and move your way down to a coffee can. Thinner materials are harder to weld. With a Mig welder and a plasma cutter, you can do about anything. -Dave Walton On Dec 29, 2007 10:07 AM, Dave H... <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My biggest need for welding would be #1: welding fittings into 55 gallon > drums and #2: constructing sheet metal tanks. > > I know nothing about welding (I have been an electrician building submarines > for General Dynamics and do know how to inspect a weld but not perform any > welding) what is the groups recommendation for a welding setup for me? > > > Dave H... > > -- > From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 9:54 AM > To: "Diesel List" > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day > > > > > Itsa whole different process. > > MIG is supposed to be better for fast and dirty welding, especially when > > the materials you're joining aren't perfectly clean, my snowmobile exhaust > > for instance. > > TIG makes a cleaner prettier weld but its slower because its a separate > > torch and filler rod deal. Its also much better for aluminium. > > > > I'd surely love to have the money for a TIG setup, of course if I did have > > that money I'd probably be better off spending it on a better MIG... > > > > -Curt > > > > Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 04:46:14 -0500 > > From: "archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day > > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > > reply-type=original > > > > What's the advantage of a TIG welder over a MIG welder? The prices on > > TIG > > welders are quite a bit more than MIG welders. I've been told that > > it's > > easier to weld aluminum with a TIG, and that a TIG is better when > > welding > > different metals together. > > Gerry > > > > > > > > - > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! > > Search. > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
Gas welding will add loads of carbon to any steel, hardening it. The heat from gas is much LESS concentrated (only the arc and immediately adjacent metal are heated directly in arc welding, gas you have to have a flame, and it will be much larger than even a big arc.). I would suspect that gas welding exists because it was all that was available before electric arc welding was invented. I don't know of anyone using it except as a novelty. Brazing is another story, but it's not welding. MIG is the best way to handle sheet metal as you have the most control over it, and the inert gas means no slag. TIG might even be better if you have the setup. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
In theory yes as the heat is more concentrated. In practice I have no idea I've never done any gas welding. I read that on some newer cars you can't gas weld because the sheetmetal is hardened or something and gas welding will make it brittle and prone to cracking. -Curt Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 09:32:40 -0600 From: "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have some rust repair to do on the SLC - and used to be pretty good at patching up rusted sheet metal with oxy-acetylene. Is MIG better for welding under cars, igniting less undercoating, etc.??? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
MIG, Need one with appropriate power. Virtually all production welding on carbon steel is done with a MIG. -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 19Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 286 KMI Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 87 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is!On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 10:07:15 -0500, you wrote: >My biggest need for welding would be #1: welding fittings into 55 gallon >drums and #2: constructing sheet metal tanks. > >I know nothing about welding (I have been an electrician building submarines >for General Dynamics and do know how to inspect a weld but not perform any >welding) what is the groups recommendation for a welding setup for me? > > >Dave H... > >-- >From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 9:54 AM >To: "Diesel List" >Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day > >> >> Itsa whole different process. >> MIG is supposed to be better for fast and dirty welding, especially when >> the materials you're joining aren't perfectly clean, my snowmobile exhaust >> for instance. >> TIG makes a cleaner prettier weld but its slower because its a separate >> torch and filler rod deal. Its also much better for aluminium. >> >> I'd surely love to have the money for a TIG setup, of course if I did have >> that money I'd probably be better off spending it on a better MIG... >> >> -Curt >> >> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 04:46:14 -0500 >> From: "archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> What's the advantage of a TIG welder over a MIG welder? The prices on >> TIG >> welders are quite a bit more than MIG welders. I've been told that >> it's >> easier to weld aluminum with a TIG, and that a TIG is better when >> welding >> different metals together. >> Gerry >> >> >> >> - >> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! >> Search. >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
I have some rust repair to do on the SLC - and used to be pretty good at patching up rusted sheet metal with oxy-acetylene. Is MIG better for welding under cars, igniting less undercoating, etc.??? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
Oxy acetaline? Probably the most cost effective for those jobs depending on the metal for the tanks. #2 would be MIG which could possibly be cheaper over time and would probably be faster. ARC would be cheaper (especially for a cheap buzzbox welder) but can be difficult to weld sheetmetal with, especially if its thin. TIG would be the most expensive but would produce a very nice looking weld (although gas welding will too) and would allow you lots of flexability to weld aluminum or stainless just by changing filler rods and settings. -Curt Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 10:07:15 -0500 From: "Dave H..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original My biggest need for welding would be #1: welding fittings into 55 gallon drums and #2: constructing sheet metal tanks. I know nothing about welding (I have been an electrician building submarines for General Dynamics and do know how to inspect a weld but not perform any welding) what is the groups recommendation for a welding setup for me? Dave H... - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
Way easier overall. Pull the trigger, the arc strikes and you weld as much as you need. I did some ARC welding but had a very hard time getting a reliable arc. Of course I was usually welding some pretty rusty stuff. My last project was all clean material and I did alot better. -Curt Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 08:55:53 -0500 From: "archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original My only experience is with stick and acetylene welding. Haven't quite figured out why MIGs are so popular. Easier to weld sheet metal? Constant welding without stopping to change sticks? Less power needed? Gerry - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
My biggest need for welding would be #1: welding fittings into 55 gallon drums and #2: constructing sheet metal tanks. I know nothing about welding (I have been an electrician building submarines for General Dynamics and do know how to inspect a weld but not perform any welding) what is the groups recommendation for a welding setup for me? Dave H... -- From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 9:54 AM To: "Diesel List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day > > Itsa whole different process. > MIG is supposed to be better for fast and dirty welding, especially when > the materials you're joining aren't perfectly clean, my snowmobile exhaust > for instance. > TIG makes a cleaner prettier weld but its slower because its a separate > torch and filler rod deal. Its also much better for aluminium. > > I'd surely love to have the money for a TIG setup, of course if I did have > that money I'd probably be better off spending it on a better MIG... > > -Curt > > Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 04:46:14 -0500 > From: "archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > What's the advantage of a TIG welder over a MIG welder? The prices on > TIG > welders are quite a bit more than MIG welders. I've been told that > it's > easier to weld aluminum with a TIG, and that a TIG is better when > welding > different metals together. > Gerry > > > > - > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! > Search. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
Itsa whole different process. MIG is supposed to be better for fast and dirty welding, especially when the materials you're joining aren't perfectly clean, my snowmobile exhaust for instance. TIG makes a cleaner prettier weld but its slower because its a separate torch and filler rod deal. Its also much better for aluminium. I'd surely love to have the money for a TIG setup, of course if I did have that money I'd probably be better off spending it on a better MIG... -Curt Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 04:46:14 -0500 From: "archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original What's the advantage of a TIG welder over a MIG welder? The prices on TIG welders are quite a bit more than MIG welders. I've been told that it's easier to weld aluminum with a TIG, and that a TIG is better when welding different metals together. Gerry - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
When you're tacking sheetmetal together you do a little weld here, a little over there, a little in the middle, back over here, back over there, some farther along. Its nice to be able to reposition... But what I was really comparing it to was the crappy mask they give you that you have to hold with one hand while you try to work. A real mask is so much better. -Curt Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:35:32 -0800 From: "Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Dec 28, 2007 2:28 PM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh and for you amatuer welders out there: a self darkening welding helmet > makes ALL the difference in the world. > Why's that? Just because it's faster than flipping up and down an ordinary mask to inspect your work? (Not trying to argue, just about to start welding myself and interested in getting off on the right foot... although, having seen some of my soldering handiwork, Jim may feel free to point out there's no right foot for me where fire and metal are involved.) Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
Very good on lighter materials, need many passes to weld heavier stuff. Big plus is they only need 20 Amps @110v -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 19Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 286 KMI Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 87 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 08:55:53 -0500, you wrote: >My only experience is with stick and acetylene welding. Haven't quite >figured out why MIGs are so popular. Easier to weld sheet metal? Constant >welding without stopping to change sticks? Less power needed? >Gerry > >- Original Message - >From: "Peter T. Arnold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> With TIG, you use gas cover, tungsten electrode and filler wire. Very >> controllable and a clean weld. Does well with most materials, I'm not >> aware that you can join dissimilar materials, I doubt it. >> I have a cheap MiG with optional gas cover. I don't use gas anymore, >> the unit doesn't have power to melt the heavy wire. I have decent >> results using flux filed wire, less material to melt. Messy weld, >> like stick. Must be chipped. >> Anything I weld will say together un till I hit the next stump! >> Regards, >> Peter T. Arnold > >> 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 19Kmi, No problems! >> 1987 300SDL 286 KMI Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio >> 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi >> 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen >> Wife has a Cruizer, 87 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that >> is! > >> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 04:46:14 -0500, you wrote: >>>What's the advantage of a TIG welder over a MIG welder? The prices on TIG >>>welders are quite a bit more than MIG welders. I've been told that it's >>>easier to weld aluminum with a TIG, and that a TIG is better when welding >>>different metals together. >>>Gerry >>>--- > Based on today I might be ready to try a little sheetmetal on a car... > I might have to buy Dwights 240D just as a welding project... Where to > get a microwave? ;) Any thrift shop, I like St. Vinnies where I could get them (non-working) for $1. > Oh and for you amatuer welders out there: a self darkening welding > helmet makes ALL the difference in the world. Sure does. Cuts way down on sticking the rod to completely the wrong thing. -- Jim > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
My only experience is with stick and acetylene welding. Haven't quite figured out why MIGs are so popular. Easier to weld sheet metal? Constant welding without stopping to change sticks? Less power needed? Gerry - Original Message - From: "Peter T. Arnold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > With TIG, you use gas cover, tungsten electrode and filler wire. Very > controllable and a clean weld. Does well with most materials, I'm not > aware that you can join dissimilar materials, I doubt it. > I have a cheap MiG with optional gas cover. I don't use gas anymore, > the unit doesn't have power to melt the heavy wire. I have decent > results using flux filed wire, less material to melt. Messy weld, > like stick. Must be chipped. > Anything I weld will say together un till I hit the next stump! > Regards, > Peter T. Arnold > 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 19Kmi, No problems! > 1987 300SDL 286 KMI Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio > 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi > 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen > Wife has a Cruizer, 87 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that > is! > On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 04:46:14 -0500, you wrote: >>What's the advantage of a TIG welder over a MIG welder? The prices on TIG >>welders are quite a bit more than MIG welders. I've been told that it's >>easier to weld aluminum with a TIG, and that a TIG is better when welding >>different metals together. >>Gerry >>--- Based on today I might be ready to try a little sheetmetal on a car... I might have to buy Dwights 240D just as a welding project... Where to get a microwave? ;) >>> Any thrift shop, I like St. Vinnies where I could get them (non-working) >>> for $1. Oh and for you amatuer welders out there: a self darkening welding helmet makes ALL the difference in the world. >>> Sure does. Cuts way down on sticking the rod to completely the >>> wrong thing. >>> -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
With TIG, you use gas cover, tungsten electrode and filler wire. Very controllable and a clean weld. Does well with most materials, I'm not aware that you can join dissimilar materials, I doubt it. I have a cheap MiG with optional gas cover. I don't use gas anymore, the unit doesn't have power to melt the heavy wire. I have decent results using flux filed wire, less material to melt. Messy weld, like stick. Must be chipped. Anything I weld will say together un till I hit the next stump! -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 19Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 286 KMI Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 87 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 04:46:14 -0500, you wrote: >What's the advantage of a TIG welder over a MIG welder? The prices on TIG >welders are quite a bit more than MIG welders. I've been told that it's >easier to weld aluminum with a TIG, and that a TIG is better when welding >different metals together. >Gerry >--- >>> Based on today I might be ready to try a little sheetmetal on a car... >>> I might have to buy Dwights 240D just as a welding project... Where to >>> get a microwave? ;) >> >> Any thrift shop, I like St. Vinnies where I could get them (non-working) >> for $1. >> >>> Oh and for you amatuer welders out there: a self darkening welding >>> helmet makes ALL the difference in the world. >> >> Sure does. Cuts way down on sticking the rod to completely the >> wrong thing. >> >> -- Jim > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
What's the advantage of a TIG welder over a MIG welder? The prices on TIG welders are quite a bit more than MIG welders. I've been told that it's easier to weld aluminum with a TIG, and that a TIG is better when welding different metals together. Gerry --- >> Based on today I might be ready to try a little sheetmetal on a car... >> I might have to buy Dwights 240D just as a welding project... Where to >> get a microwave? ;) > > Any thrift shop, I like St. Vinnies where I could get them (non-working) > for $1. > >> Oh and for you amatuer welders out there: a self darkening welding >> helmet makes ALL the difference in the world. > > Sure does. Cuts way down on sticking the rod to completely the > wrong thing. > > -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes they do allow light in, but filter out effectively all of the UV - even when not in auto-dark mode. There is a finite amount of time required to darken the mask. Something around 1/20,000 of a second or less (or so they say). If you are concerned, you can always blink when you first start an arc. -Dave Walton On Dec 28, 2007 11:14 PM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've heard that the self-darkening shields do allow a momentary flash > when you first strike the arc, extended use can lead to a "dry eye" > feeling due to the repeated, but short, UV exposure. > > Allan > > > > On Dec 28, 2007, at 6:45 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: > > > Alex Chamberlain wrote: > >>> Oh and for you amatuer welders out there: a self darkening > >>> welding helmet > >>> makes ALL the difference in the world. > >>> > >> > >> Why's that? Just because it's faster than flipping up and down an > >> ordinary > >> mask to inspect your work? > > > > Because you can strike the arc while watching, instead of taking a > > hand > > away from what you are doing, dropping the helmet, and then trying to > > work blind until you light the arc in the wrong place and can see > > where > > the arc went. > > > > Mitch. > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Dec 28, 2007, at 6:50 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: > Not trusting my eyes to a Harbor Freight cheapie... I bought a Harbor Freight cheapie welder, and even worse than the flip-down shield is the *hand-held* shield it came with. Yes, you have to weld one-handed while the other hand holds the shield over your face. I did manage to get my lawn mower deck patched up, but I'm definitely getting something else before I try anything that needs to look halfway good. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I've heard that the self-darkening shields do allow a momentary flash when you first strike the arc, extended use can lead to a "dry eye" feeling due to the repeated, but short, UV exposure. Allan On Dec 28, 2007, at 6:45 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: > Alex Chamberlain wrote: >>> Oh and for you amatuer welders out there: a self darkening >>> welding helmet >>> makes ALL the difference in the world. >>> >> >> Why's that? Just because it's faster than flipping up and down an >> ordinary >> mask to inspect your work? > > Because you can strike the arc while watching, instead of taking a > hand > away from what you are doing, dropping the helmet, and then trying to > work blind until you light the arc in the wrong place and can see > where > the arc went. > > Mitch. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Or it could be vice versa - you riding in the back On Dec 28, 2007 7:33 PM, Kevin Kraly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> (Not trusting my eyes to a Harbor Freight cheapie...) >> > Good thing, otherwise your guide dog will be riding in the back seat of the > '87 300D! > -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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> getting off on the right foot... although, having seen some of my > soldering > handiwork, Jim may feel free to point out there's no right foot for me > where > fire and metal are involved.) Now now, I'm not that uncharitable. I _will_ say that for your first foray into the field that you not weld on a tank of some sort. Especially a fuel tank! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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> Based on today I might be ready to try a little sheetmetal on a car... > I might have to buy Dwights 240D just as a welding project... Where to > get a microwave? ;) Any thrift shop, I like St. Vinnies where I could get them (non-working) for $1. > Oh and for you amatuer welders out there: a self darkening welding > helmet makes ALL the difference in the world. Sure does. Cuts way down on sticking the rod to completely the wrong thing. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt wrote: <> Absolutely wothout a doubt !! Before I got my self-darkening hood I was welding by the touch method ;-) never a good idea as I'd end up with the stick stuck to something not needing to be welded. The best welding oney I ever spent was for a self-darkening hood! \ Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Diesel List" Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 5:28 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT: Welding day > My dad said I couldn't consider myself a welder until I'd lit my pants on > fire. > > Check... > > I managed to weld a piece of stovepipe around a perforated snowmobile > muffler. It looks AWFUL but I think it'll hold at least for a little > while. > Based on today I might be ready to try a little sheetmetal on a car... I > might have to buy Dwights 240D just as a welding project... Where to get a > microwave? ;) > > Oh and for you amatuer welders out there: a self darkening welding helmet > makes ALL the difference in the world. > > -Curt > > > - > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! > Search. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1201 - Release Date: > 12/28/2007 11:51 AM > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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(Not trusting my eyes to a Harbor Freight cheapie...) Good thing, otherwise your guide dog will be riding in the back seat of the '87 300D! Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Accidentally flashing yourself becomes much harder as well when you line things up if the helmet is already in place. Remember to cover all exposed skin and keep pets away. -Dave Walton On Dec 28, 2007 6:45 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alex Chamberlain wrote: > > > Oh and for you amatuer welders out there: a self darkening welding helmet > > > makes ALL the difference in the world. > > > > > > > Why's that? Just because it's faster than flipping up and down an ordinary > > mask to inspect your work? > > Because you can strike the arc while watching, instead of taking a hand > away from what you are doing, dropping the helmet, and then trying to > work blind until you light the arc in the wrong place and can see where > the arc went. > > Mitch. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Dec 28, 2007 3:45 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alex Chamberlain wrote: > > > Oh and for you amatuer welders out there: a self darkening welding > helmet > > > makes ALL the difference in the world. > > > > > Why's that? Just because it's faster than flipping up and down an > ordinary > > mask to inspect your work? > > Because you can strike the arc while watching, instead of taking a hand > away from what you are doing, dropping the helmet, and then trying to > work blind until you light the arc in the wrong place and can see where > the arc went. > Ah, I get it. Guess I'll be going out and getting a good self-darkening helmet, then! (Not trusting my eyes to a Harbor Freight cheapie...) Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Alex Chamberlain wrote: > > Oh and for you amatuer welders out there: a self darkening welding helmet > > makes ALL the difference in the world. > > > > Why's that? Just because it's faster than flipping up and down an ordinary > mask to inspect your work? Because you can strike the arc while watching, instead of taking a hand away from what you are doing, dropping the helmet, and then trying to work blind until you light the arc in the wrong place and can see where the arc went. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt- Good progress, I'll throw in a microwave with the 240D-will plug the hole in the wheel well. Dwight . Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 5:29 PM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] OT: Welding day My dad said I couldn't consider myself a welder until I'd lit my pants on fire. Check... I managed to weld a piece of stovepipe around a perforated snowmobile muffler. It looks AWFUL but I think it'll hold at least for a little while. Based on today I might be ready to try a little sheetmetal on a car... I might have to buy Dwights 240D just as a welding project... Where to get a microwave? ;) Oh and for you amatuer welders out there: a self darkening welding helmet makes ALL the difference in the world. -Curt - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Welding day
On Dec 28, 2007 2:28 PM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh and for you amatuer welders out there: a self darkening welding helmet > makes ALL the difference in the world. > Why's that? Just because it's faster than flipping up and down an ordinary mask to inspect your work? (Not trying to argue, just about to start welding myself and interested in getting off on the right foot... although, having seen some of my soldering handiwork, Jim may feel free to point out there's no right foot for me where fire and metal are involved.) Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Welding day
My dad said I couldn't consider myself a welder until I'd lit my pants on fire. Check... I managed to weld a piece of stovepipe around a perforated snowmobile muffler. It looks AWFUL but I think it'll hold at least for a little while. Based on today I might be ready to try a little sheetmetal on a car... I might have to buy Dwights 240D just as a welding project... Where to get a microwave? ;) Oh and for you amatuer welders out there: a self darkening welding helmet makes ALL the difference in the world. -Curt - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
