Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
It seems than at Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:13:16 -0500, Gary wrote: it's the incredibly expensive government schools that are failing epidemically. they are the ones who are desperately in need of watching. Indeed. But (to paraphrase), who will watch the watchers? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
i guess the home schoolers need to watch the government schoolers. oh, wait, we have been and that is why we are home schoolers. On Jan 11, 2008 12:51 PM, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems than at Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:13:16 -0500, Gary wrote: it's the incredibly expensive government schools that are failing epidemically. they are the ones who are desperately in need of watching. Indeed. But (to paraphrase), who will watch the watchers? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
I think that pre-algebra in college is largely for folks like me Today I'll be teaching subnet masking in binary, go fig... I took an english class in college where I was by far the best in the class, the bottom end were only vaugely literate. Fortunately the other students had no idea of the bell curve that I was ruining. The teacher finally told me that if I agreed to do a self study for the next class up the ladder (English 300 IIRC) he'd let me sleep through the class I was in (English 200). That alone went a long way to my minor in English. The later classes (British lit for example) were a bitch -Curt Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 20:53:39 -0500 From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 yeah, i did the whole school thing too and what a total waste of time it was. a friend of mine dropped out when he was 16 and took his GED and just went to college. I tried the same thing and my confused euro immigrant dad was on the verge of killing me for dropping out of school. i've been looking at the courses at area colleges and many of them are on the 5th or 6th grade level anyway. do you know that you can take pre algebra at university? it is also interesting that homeschool students have relatively stringent requirements to enter open enrollment state schools while regular students are largely open enrollment. I cannot, however, find information on how to enroll a 10 year old. - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
this is the madness of the of the brainwashed socialists, some of whom even inhabit this list. they act as if the home schoolers have to be watched, but, in fact, the home schoolers are fine. it's the incredibly expensive government schools that are failing epidemically. they are the ones who are desperately in need of watching. On Jan 10, 2008 3:02 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary wrote interesting that homeschool students have relatively stringent requirements to enter open enrollment state schools while regular students are largely open enrollment\\ Especially considering the high percentage of publicly schooled HS grads that get remedial english, math, etc upon entering college. The education system will never admit many children actually excel when being home-schooled (regardless of the stats proving otherwise) - and the education community will protect their monopoly by erecting roadblocks at every opportunity. And since they control the roads, there's plenty of opportunities - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost yeah, i did the whole school thing too and what a total waste of time it was. a friend of mine dropped out when he was 16 and took his GED and just went to college. I tried the same thing and my confused euro immigrant dad was on the verge of killing me for dropping out of school. i've been looking at the courses at area colleges and many of them are on the 5th or 6th grade level anyway. do you know that you can take pre algebra at university? it is also interesting that homeschool students have relatively stringent requirements to enter open enrollment state schools while regular students are largely open enrollment. I cannot, however, find information on how to enroll a 10 year old. On Jan 9, 2008 8:41 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: i'm just trying to figure out how long till i can send her to the local community college Move to California, and send her to college now. I wish my parents had done that with me when I was bored to death in 4th grade. (that year I was given progress assessment tests that said I was functioning at the tenth grade level) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Good question, but it also brings out the fact that our community colleges are doing more with remediation than the core coursework in a lot of cases. Dan --- Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how did they pass high school if they can't do remedial work? oh, wait, no child is left behind! Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
so why can't my kid just go to community college now given that her skill set would be about average if not a little better? On Jan 10, 2008 5:49 PM, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good question, but it also brings out the fact that our community colleges are doing more with remediation than the core coursework in a lot of cases. Dan --- Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how did they pass high school if they can't do remedial work? oh, wait, no child is left behind! Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
That's a good question. I don't know. I went to a community college down here to get a back door into a 4 year state university. Why? Because the 60+ credit hours I had from I.U. were not recognized by a state university because they were more than 10 years old. Now think about how stupid that sounds. 100 and 200 level courses have changed significantly over 10 years? What a bunch of baloney. Fortunately for me, I knew someone that worked at a local CC who told me that not only would they honor my credits, but all I had to do was a minimum of 15 hours at the CC, earn an A.A., and I was guaranteed acceptance into any state university - it's the law in Florida. You get an A.A. (or equivalent) from a Florida CC and you're guaranteed a spot at a four year state college/university. Right now there's something like 20,000 applicants for a few thousand openings at many state universities in Florida. Go to a CC for a few years and get in for free. As for the remediation bit, it's true - students these days are not adequately prepared for college level coursework by the public school system. Hence, the need for remediation in the community colleges. It's a helping hand for these student who would otherwise not make it into a 4 year institution. Dan --- Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so why can't my kid just go to community college now given that her skill set would be about average if not a little better? Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
http://tinyurl.com/369cqb Cause effect? :-) On Jan 9, 2008 8:29 AM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if it's still this way, but when I was a kid my cousins in Denmark only went to school a few hours a day. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you give your child 2 hours a day of focused concentration on any learning plan, you have accomplished more than any public or private school can. I don't know if it's still this way, but when I was a kid my cousins in Denmark only went to school a few hours a day. They had a lot more homework than I did because the school was a place for the teacher to instruct, and to hand out assignments and receive completed work. The work itself was to be done on your own time. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Hi Tom - I think he was being sarcastic -- ;-) at the moment there are 22,000+ laws nationwide regulating guns - with that many laws you'd think criminals would think - Wait a minute! What I'm about to do is against the law! I better stop But the anti gun people think one more law - that'll fix it. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost Yah, right. At the same time why don't you pass a law making convenience store robberies illegal? This way, no more convenience stores will be robbed? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 1:33 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost I think the better approach would be to pass a law prohibiting children from touching weapons unless an adult is around to supervise. That would fix the problem right there. --R LarryT wrote: Hi Mitch - You don't have to convince me -- I have to convince my daughter! All the years of propaganda beaten into her by her so-called teachers failed to mention what might happen when a very inquisitive little boy (my g'son to a T) finds a gun somewhere - in the street, in someones house or his dads closet - they *must* know how to either 1. leave it alone or 2., Unload it - and really know when it's unloaded as the 10 yr olds friend seemed to know. To me, getting a bb gun when between 6 10 is a right of passage just like getting your 1st pocket knife. Sure, some kids in cities don't have the opportunity to target shoot plink those in the country do - but there are places the parents could take them so they could shoot them and learn something that will stay with them their whole life. When they graduate to a .22 or shotgun they will know what the power of a gun really is. Seeing it on TV is not convincing no matter how much fake blood they throw around. You're 100% correct -- a child who isn;t taght the proper way to respect a firearm is an accidnt waiting to happen. Now, there;s going to be some on this list who will say I didn;t have training and I didn;t get shot. Count yourself lucky. Frtunately, gun accidents among children under 14 is incredibly low - the anti gun people claim a incredibly high number which can only be justified when Children are defined as being up to 24 years old which includes those who participate in gangs and drugs - both very dangerous activities - because the real stat is fewer children are killed by guns than drown in bath tubs every year. I wonder why we don't hear a cry to ban bath tubs? Anyway -- I see your point -- ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost LarryT wrote: I hope to convince my daughter that me teaching him how to shoot would be a positive thing. If you don't teach him, he's just another statistic waiting to happen. Here's an example that really happened: 10 year old gets permission to go home with a latchkey after school. Latchkey goes to parents bedroom, comes out with a loaded 12ga. Visiting kid unloads it and puts it on the parent's bed with the action open. Do you want your grandson to be like the visitor in this story, or the poor kid in the morgue? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
it makes you wonder whether why the home schoolers are the ones they are worried about. why does my kid need a moron to read to her from a textbook when she can read it better herself? i'm just trying to figure out how long till i can send her to the local community college On Jan 9, 2008 6:07 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: going from memory, public schools must teach 3 hours perday. The balance is spent on electives. Also, home schooled kids are tested regularily here in Va. Don;t know what the reqmn;t are elsewhere. The teachers union in NY is very strong. Of the tens of thousands of teachers only 2 have ever been fired --also there are many teachers who are unable to pass 8th grade english tests or similar math tests. The union controls the state legislature - Take a look at - at some of the problems outlined at http://www.city-journal.org/html/7_2_how_teachers.html The current contract between the Board of Education and the UFT can best be described as a we-don't-do-windows document. Among the tasks that principals are forbidden to require of teachers under the contract: attending more than one staff meeting per month after school hours, walking the children to a school bus, patrolling the hallways or the lunchroom or the schoolyard, covering an extra class in an emergency, attending a lunchtime staff meeting, or coming in a few days prior to the opening of school each September to do some planning. And disciplinary action - what a joke The contract makes it almost insurmountably difficult for a principal even to begin the process of charging a teacher with incompetence under the union-written state education law. Every time the principal wants to record a negative evaluation in the teacher's personnel file, the teacher can contest that single entry through three separate grievance procedures, leading all the way up to the Board of Education. Even after the Board has upheld the principal, the teacher, with the help of the union, can go to arbitration to contest the single negative entry. The process is so tortuous that most principals don't even bother trying; they accept it as a fact of school life that a certain number of incompetent teachers must be carried on the payroll. and He told me that in the case of one totally dysfunctional teacher, he has spent close to 100 hours out of the building over the past two years in grievance sessions at the district office, at the Board of Education, and at arbitration sessions. Although every one of his negative evaluations has eventually been upheld, he still must go through the process for another year before this one employee might have to face formal disciplinary charges-a process that could take several more years The above is from just one of many articles about the power abuses of *our* public education system. It's truely an embarassment to see what this has done to countless students. Hopefully public outrage will force Germany to change its laws about home schooling at some point. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost http://tinyurl.com/369cqb Cause effect? :-) On Jan 9, 2008 8:29 AM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if it's still this way, but when I was a kid my cousins in Denmark only went to school a few hours a day. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
yeah, i did the whole school thing too and what a total waste of time it was. a friend of mine dropped out when he was 16 and took his GED and just went to college. I tried the same thing and my confused euro immigrant dad was on the verge of killing me for dropping out of school. i've been looking at the courses at area colleges and many of them are on the 5th or 6th grade level anyway. do you know that you can take pre algebra at university? it is also interesting that homeschool students have relatively stringent requirements to enter open enrollment state schools while regular students are largely open enrollment. I cannot, however, find information on how to enroll a 10 year old. On Jan 9, 2008 8:41 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: i'm just trying to figure out how long till i can send her to the local community college Move to California, and send her to college now. I wish my parents had done that with me when I was bored to death in 4th grade. (that year I was given progress assessment tests that said I was functioning at the tenth grade level) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Well community colleges are for the community. I can't really fault them for offering remedial courses for those who finally wake up and realize they want to learn something. Though likely you'd do just as well checking out a textbook at the library and working through it on your own. If you have the self- discipline to do it. Allan On Jan 9, 2008, at 8:53 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: i've been looking at the courses at area colleges and many of them are on the 5th or 6th grade level anyway. do you know that you can take pre algebra at university? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
how did they pass high school if they can't do remedial work? oh, wait, no child is left behind! On Jan 9, 2008 9:00 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well community colleges are for the community. I can't really fault them for offering remedial courses for those who finally wake up and realize they want to learn something. Though likely you'd do just as well checking out a textbook at the library and working through it on your own. If you have the self- discipline to do it. Allan On Jan 9, 2008, at 8:53 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: i've been looking at the courses at area colleges and many of them are on the 5th or 6th grade level anyway. do you know that you can take pre algebra at university? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Who says they passed high school? Allan On Jan 9, 2008, at 9:26 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: how did they pass high school if they can't do remedial work? oh, wait, no child is left behind! On Jan 9, 2008 9:00 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well community colleges are for the community. I can't really fault them for offering remedial courses for those who finally wake up and realize they want to learn something. Though likely you'd do just as well checking out a textbook at the library and working through it on your own. If you have the self- discipline to do it. Allan On Jan 9, 2008, at 8:53 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: i've been looking at the courses at area colleges and many of them are on the 5th or 6th grade level anyway. do you know that you can take pre algebra at university? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
my kid hasn't passed HS either. seems they are on a pretty even footing, although they are probably fully retarded, while the kid is just a tad on the stupid side (from her mother). On Jan 9, 2008 9:47 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who says they passed high school? Allan On Jan 9, 2008, at 9:26 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: how did they pass high school if they can't do remedial work? oh, wait, no child is left behind! On Jan 9, 2008 9:00 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well community colleges are for the community. I can't really fault them for offering remedial courses for those who finally wake up and realize they want to learn something. Though likely you'd do just as well checking out a textbook at the library and working through it on your own. If you have the self- discipline to do it. Allan On Jan 9, 2008, at 8:53 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: i've been looking at the courses at area colleges and many of them are on the 5th or 6th grade level anyway. do you know that you can take pre algebra at university? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Here (VA), the homeschooling orgaization provides many outside opportunities for choldren to interact with others. ALso, my Daughter keeps our g-son involved with numerous activties at the local YMCA. He probably has more friends whole homeschooling that he would during public school. Between school, soccer, baseball, piano, basketball, drama classes, and more, his time is full of children who can be friends and adults who can be role models. I hope to convince my daughter that me teaching him how to shoot would be a positive thing. I fear the propaganda she was exposed to for years in public school has provided a false image of shooting, guns and shooting sports. But that's another topic. In short, my G son is very well rounded with many children around his own age to interact with as well as adults who can help him grow. But everything depends on the child and parents. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost It's your responsibility to see that she learns something - in school or at home. She'll learn to deal with the other people on the planet at school - something that you'll have a hard time teaching her at home. given their dismal failure, shouldn't you be more concerned about some sort of accountability regarding public schooling? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
you wrote:oldest is seven and has the diction of a three year old Hmm - maybe your BIL thinks he can do a better job than was done by previous schooling? I guess that was public ed? Anyway -- homeschooling requires a few things to succeed. First, one or both parents must have the time determination to hold regular classes with structured class work. Second, the child/children must be willing to listen to a parent and absorb the info without special help the parent may be unable to provide. Some children crave structure - it's born into them just as wildness is born into others. One type will work with homeschooling and the other will prove difficult. Also, the parent doing the teaching must be able to be firm enough to command respect and concentration during the hours of schooling. My daughter is very structured - always was - from being age 1 yr and up she was fascinated by things concerning schooling, education, - even office equipment - all got her attention.Give her an adding machine and she'd be occupied for hours on end. Our sons OTOH, had short attention spans and little use for school unless forced to. My youngest went to Catholic school for a while and 1st thing he did when getting home was his homework - no playing, tv or dinner got in his way. The reason? He feared the Nuns who taught the classes. When he transferred to public school his grades dropped like a rock - because the teachers didn't seem concerned if he did his work or not. No homework? no problem - you get a zero. Once we figured out what was going on we made sure he feared us as he had the Nuns. And his grades improved. Anyway - not every child nor every parent is made for homeschooling. BTW, home schooling has gone on for years - there are many children growing up on cruising sailboats that spend their time on the open ocean and in ports all over the world - in addition to the education they get by traveling the parents generally teach according to a subscription they buy that provides all classroom materials enabling the parents to open their book and teach without additional preparation. Also, many children of parents who work in remote areas of the world that do not have the luxury of a company or govt school must teach their children themselves or send them to private school. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost I am not at all sure home schooling is good for most kids. The BiL who lives in the boonies of NC is going to school his kids. Their oldest is seven and has the diction of a three year old. Not sure he has a grasp of basic second grade math or reading either. Then again, I am comparing his slag child to my kid and it seems that either my kid is sporting an IQ of 220 or his kid is just plain retarded. clay On 7 Jan 2008, at 12:05, John Robbins wrote: Tom Hargrave wrote: Try taking your kids out of the public school system without enrolling them in a Government approved private school system here in the States and you'll discover how many parents rights you don't have. I think there should be accountability/basic regulations regarding homeschooling. I don't have anything against homeschooling... I just think that there should be some guarantee that you will actually teach them (and that they've learned something). The only way I see for that guarantee to happen is for the government to enforce it. It is unfortunate for the states who do not have the a parent organization for homeschooling though... John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
yes, DHS has been called many times on them and they never took the kids away. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost I agree with Don. Child Services (DHR in Alabama) is the most over worked government organization in any state. The problem is that the workers have to obtain unrefutable evidence then they have to present the evidence to a Judge the judge has to issue a court order to have the child or children removed. All of this is necessary because of our lawsuit happy society. The Chld Services workers have to protect themselves from being sued by the parents of the children they are trying to protect. Based on Kaleb's his Wive's comments on the kid's overall condition, Kaleb's new family are a likely good example of the system failing. It's possible that the family had been investigated but Child Services could not put together enough evidence to convince a judge to issue a court order. But it's just as likely that they were never investigated because of the work load most Child Services must carry. My Niece was removed from her Mother 4 years too late - She was 13 years old. Kaleb's new family are younger and they have a chance to make a difference. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 9:18 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost google georgia dfcs and you will have enough kidnap stories to fill a book. children are kidnapped for reasons such as there were scissors in the house. we have a customer at bimby who drives an S600 from being a professional foster parent. tom, who works at bimby, has personal knowledge of such kidnappings for profit from his days working retail, where many of his employees had second incomes from keeping a kid or two locked obtained by predatory means in the closet when they went to work. what's next for you to say? that we are in iraq to save the world from terrorism? child welfare worker, right. insult someone elses intelligence On Jan 7, 2008 9:05 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kidnapped Have you seen how bad it has to get before the kids are removed from a home? That's the LAST resort. Wittness the LACK of response to the ealrier reports to child wlefare about Kaleb's new kids. Follow a child welfare worker around for a few days - it'll open your eyes. We don't pay enough for a foster family to take proper care of kids, can't find enough homes for the kids that need them. So you get what you pay for - those who do take them have other motives than the kids best welfare in mind. On Jan 7, 2008 7:58 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what about the kids that are kidnapped and farmed out to abusive foster homes by their friends in the government (i would presume that these government agents get some kind of kickback, but don't know how the details work)? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
LarryT wrote: I hope to convince my daughter that me teaching him how to shoot would be a positive thing. If you don't teach him, he's just another statistic waiting to happen. Here's an example that really happened: 10 year old gets permission to go home with a latchkey after school. Latchkey goes to parents bedroom, comes out with a loaded 12ga. Visiting kid unloads it and puts it on the parent's bed with the action open. Do you want your grandson to be like the visitor in this story, or the poor kid in the morgue? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
did they sue remington? my guns are kept locked up in a room that is kept locked up. and my kid is never in the house alone. on the other hand, i keep everything loaded and out in the open when the ex-wife is in the house alone, but she has no interest in playing with guns :( On Jan 8, 2008 9:07 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LarryT wrote: I hope to convince my daughter that me teaching him how to shoot would be a positive thing. If you don't teach him, he's just another statistic waiting to happen. Here's an example that really happened: 10 year old gets permission to go home with a latchkey after school. Latchkey goes to parents bedroom, comes out with a loaded 12ga. Visiting kid unloads it and puts it on the parent's bed with the action open. Do you want your grandson to be like the visitor in this story, or the poor kid in the morgue? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Hi Mitch - You don't have to convince me -- I have to convince my daughter! All the years of propaganda beaten into her by her so-called teachers failed to mention what might happen when a very inquisitive little boy (my g'son to a T) finds a gun somewhere - in the street, in someones house or his dads closet - they *must* know how to either 1. leave it alone or 2., Unload it - and really know when it's unloaded as the 10 yr olds friend seemed to know. To me, getting a bb gun when between 6 10 is a right of passage just like getting your 1st pocket knife. Sure, some kids in cities don't have the opportunity to target shoot plink those in the country do - but there are places the parents could take them so they could shoot them and learn something that will stay with them their whole life. When they graduate to a .22 or shotgun they will know what the power of a gun really is. Seeing it on TV is not convincing no matter how much fake blood they throw around. You're 100% correct -- a child who isn;t taght the proper way to respect a firearm is an accidnt waiting to happen. Now, there;s going to be some on this list who will say I didn;t have training and I didn;t get shot. Count yourself lucky. Frtunately, gun accidents among children under 14 is incredibly low - the anti gun people claim a incredibly high number which can only be justified when Children are defined as being up to 24 years old which includes those who participate in gangs and drugs - both very dangerous activities - because the real stat is fewer children are killed by guns than drown in bath tubs every year. I wonder why we don't hear a cry to ban bath tubs? Anyway -- I see your point -- ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost LarryT wrote: I hope to convince my daughter that me teaching him how to shoot would be a positive thing. If you don't teach him, he's just another statistic waiting to happen. Here's an example that really happened: 10 year old gets permission to go home with a latchkey after school. Latchkey goes to parents bedroom, comes out with a loaded 12ga. Visiting kid unloads it and puts it on the parent's bed with the action open. Do you want your grandson to be like the visitor in this story, or the poor kid in the morgue? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
I think the better approach would be to pass a law prohibiting children from touching weapons unless an adult is around to supervise. That would fix the problem right there. --R LarryT wrote: Hi Mitch - You don't have to convince me -- I have to convince my daughter! All the years of propaganda beaten into her by her so-called teachers failed to mention what might happen when a very inquisitive little boy (my g'son to a T) finds a gun somewhere - in the street, in someones house or his dads closet - they *must* know how to either 1. leave it alone or 2., Unload it - and really know when it's unloaded as the 10 yr olds friend seemed to know. To me, getting a bb gun when between 6 10 is a right of passage just like getting your 1st pocket knife. Sure, some kids in cities don't have the opportunity to target shoot plink those in the country do - but there are places the parents could take them so they could shoot them and learn something that will stay with them their whole life. When they graduate to a .22 or shotgun they will know what the power of a gun really is. Seeing it on TV is not convincing no matter how much fake blood they throw around. You're 100% correct -- a child who isn;t taght the proper way to respect a firearm is an accidnt waiting to happen. Now, there;s going to be some on this list who will say I didn;t have training and I didn;t get shot. Count yourself lucky. Frtunately, gun accidents among children under 14 is incredibly low - the anti gun people claim a incredibly high number which can only be justified when Children are defined as being up to 24 years old which includes those who participate in gangs and drugs - both very dangerous activities - because the real stat is fewer children are killed by guns than drown in bath tubs every year. I wonder why we don't hear a cry to ban bath tubs? Anyway -- I see your point -- ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost LarryT wrote: I hope to convince my daughter that me teaching him how to shoot would be a positive thing. If you don't teach him, he's just another statistic waiting to happen. Here's an example that really happened: 10 year old gets permission to go home with a latchkey after school. Latchkey goes to parents bedroom, comes out with a loaded 12ga. Visiting kid unloads it and puts it on the parent's bed with the action open. Do you want your grandson to be like the visitor in this story, or the poor kid in the morgue? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Was that an NRA sort of pun? (Right of passage vs. rite of passage.) On Jan 8, 2008 1:02 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To me, getting a bb gun when between 6 10 is a right of passage -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Yah, right. At the same time why don't you pass a law making convenience store robberies illegal? This way, no more convenience stores will be robbed? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 1:33 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost I think the better approach would be to pass a law prohibiting children from touching weapons unless an adult is around to supervise. That would fix the problem right there. --R LarryT wrote: Hi Mitch - You don't have to convince me -- I have to convince my daughter! All the years of propaganda beaten into her by her so-called teachers failed to mention what might happen when a very inquisitive little boy (my g'son to a T) finds a gun somewhere - in the street, in someones house or his dads closet - they *must* know how to either 1. leave it alone or 2., Unload it - and really know when it's unloaded as the 10 yr olds friend seemed to know. To me, getting a bb gun when between 6 10 is a right of passage just like getting your 1st pocket knife. Sure, some kids in cities don't have the opportunity to target shoot plink those in the country do - but there are places the parents could take them so they could shoot them and learn something that will stay with them their whole life. When they graduate to a .22 or shotgun they will know what the power of a gun really is. Seeing it on TV is not convincing no matter how much fake blood they throw around. You're 100% correct -- a child who isn;t taght the proper way to respect a firearm is an accidnt waiting to happen. Now, there;s going to be some on this list who will say I didn;t have training and I didn;t get shot. Count yourself lucky. Frtunately, gun accidents among children under 14 is incredibly low - the anti gun people claim a incredibly high number which can only be justified when Children are defined as being up to 24 years old which includes those who participate in gangs and drugs - both very dangerous activities - because the real stat is fewer children are killed by guns than drown in bath tubs every year. I wonder why we don't hear a cry to ban bath tubs? Anyway -- I see your point -- ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost LarryT wrote: I hope to convince my daughter that me teaching him how to shoot would be a positive thing. If you don't teach him, he's just another statistic waiting to happen. Here's an example that really happened: 10 year old gets permission to go home with a latchkey after school. Latchkey goes to parents bedroom, comes out with a loaded 12ga. Visiting kid unloads it and puts it on the parent's bed with the action open. Do you want your grandson to be like the visitor in this story, or the poor kid in the morgue? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1214 - Release Date: 1/8/2008 1:38 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
i would presume he was being sarcastic, no? On Jan 8, 2008 7:26 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yah, right. At the same time why don't you pass a law making convenience store robberies illegal? This way, no more convenience stores will be robbed? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 1:33 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost I think the better approach would be to pass a law prohibiting children from touching weapons unless an adult is around to supervise. That would fix the problem right there. --R LarryT wrote: Hi Mitch - You don't have to convince me -- I have to convince my daughter! All the years of propaganda beaten into her by her so-called teachers failed to mention what might happen when a very inquisitive little boy (my g'son to a T) finds a gun somewhere - in the street, in someones house or his dads closet - they *must* know how to either 1. leave it alone or 2., Unload it - and really know when it's unloaded as the 10 yr olds friend seemed to know. To me, getting a bb gun when between 6 10 is a right of passage just like getting your 1st pocket knife. Sure, some kids in cities don't have the opportunity to target shoot plink those in the country do - but there are places the parents could take them so they could shoot them and learn something that will stay with them their whole life. When they graduate to a .22 or shotgun they will know what the power of a gun really is. Seeing it on TV is not convincing no matter how much fake blood they throw around. You're 100% correct -- a child who isn;t taght the proper way to respect a firearm is an accidnt waiting to happen. Now, there;s going to be some on this list who will say I didn;t have training and I didn;t get shot. Count yourself lucky. Frtunately, gun accidents among children under 14 is incredibly low - the anti gun people claim a incredibly high number which can only be justified when Children are defined as being up to 24 years old which includes those who participate in gangs and drugs - both very dangerous activities - because the real stat is fewer children are killed by guns than drown in bath tubs every year. I wonder why we don't hear a cry to ban bath tubs? Anyway -- I see your point -- ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost LarryT wrote: I hope to convince my daughter that me teaching him how to shoot would be a positive thing. If you don't teach him, he's just another statistic waiting to happen. Here's an example that really happened: 10 year old gets permission to go home with a latchkey after school. Latchkey goes to parents bedroom, comes out with a loaded 12ga. Visiting kid unloads it and puts it on the parent's bed with the action open. Do you want your grandson to be like the visitor in this story, or the poor kid in the morgue? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1214 - Release Date: 1/8/2008 1:38 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Great idea! Perhaps the presidential candidates will take this up as a plank in their law n' order platform (I think Fred might already be there!). It will bi-partisan support, who is the best one to make that change? --R (I'm for change and the best one to make it!) Tom Hargrave wrote: Yah, right. At the same time why don't you pass a law making convenience store robberies illegal? This way, no more convenience stores will be robbed? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
At the risk of turning the conversation back to home schooling, one must understand why the government came up with this sort of go to school rule in the first place. It was for the protection of the children, not as some sort of evil government meddling. Where I grew up (West Virginia), it wasn't unusual -- not too many years before I was born in 1952 -- for kids to enter the coal mines at the age of 12, or even younger, and labor there for an entire lifetime. The purpose of the compulsory education law was to give these kids a chance at a better life. Although we'd hope that human nature would act differently, we have to understand that there were fathers who'd put their kids into the mines at a very early age, if only for the wages that would be brought home. Hey, if Daddy didn't get much schooling then why do the sons need schooling? Fortunately, laws were passed and, at least at the time I was graduated, a child had to be in school until age 16. I think that might have been raised to age 18. Now ... if you want to home school the kids *and* they will get a good education, then I have no issues with that. The goal is an educated individual. If a parent lays out a curriculum and sticks to it, the child might get a superior education. As for those of you who are worried about the gubmint indoctrinating a child with socialist views in school, I must differ. I am *way* more worried about the child be indoctrinated with way more dangerous philosophies, mostly religious in nature. All three of my children went to public schools. None are atheists. All three are pretty good citizens. My step-daughter is the dummy of the trio, having only a 3.6 GPA as a university junior. And before you think I have my head up my rear, I was *there* at BJU when this home school movement was launched, and knew some of the folks who were writing the curriculum. You worry about your child being perverted during twelve years of public education? Just give them twelve years of BJU-prepared stuff. I am a product of a sheltered Fundamentalist upbringing and am slightly screwed up as a result. Fortunately, I broke out (in my mid-20s) and am still a recovering Fundamentalist. D. On Jan 8, 2008 7:33 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great idea! Perhaps the presidential candidates will take this up as a plank in their law n' order platform (I think Fred might already be there!). It will bi-partisan support, who is the best one to make that change? --R (I'm for change and the best one to make it!) Tom Hargrave wrote: Yah, right. At the same time why don't you pass a law making convenience store robberies illegal? This way, no more convenience stores will be robbed? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
I hope you are correct. It will all depend on (1) the education ethic of the child and (2) the RULES set down by the ADULT in charge of the educational process. Nothing different from public schools. The kids who want to learn will. Those who aren't interested can't be beat into submission. As for the gubment corrupting the children ... send me your address so I can provide the raw materials for your tin foil hat. On Jan 8, 2008 8:53 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i would be happy to have my kid take any standard government test and when she scores in the top few percentile, i would like them to just leave us the hell alone and quit wasting our time and robbing our spirit. way back in the day, you were finished being educated by the time you were 14 or 15 and if you actually knew something, you'd go to harvard or princeton till you were about 18. that was legitimate education. we now have 19 year olds who can barely read on a 4th grade level taking up space at a cost of 5 figures a year and tell people this somehow benefits the children. this is a lie. what would benefit the children is to let the smart ones finish high school at the age of 14 and let the dumb ones go work in the mines. the idea of of dumbing and slowing it down so the smart ones are locked up bored to tears until 18 so the dumb ones can actually follow it (which they won't because they are stupid and they don't care) benefits no one but the educators who get rich off this. NOTHING is to benefit the children. NOTHING is to benefit the poor. NOTHING is to benefit most of us. The government only benefits itself and only brings desolation to the citizenry. If we were a decent and intelligent society, we would demand they be dismantled, but we are stupid dupes who believe propaganda. at least in the old soviet union, no one over the age of 10 believed the nonsense they were fed by the government. I suppose the russians are just that much smarter than we are. On 1/8/08, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the risk of turning the conversation back to home schooling, one must understand why the government came up with this sort of go to school rule in the first place. It was for the protection of the children, not as some sort of evil government meddling. Where I grew up (West Virginia), it wasn't unusual -- not too many years before I was born in 1952 -- for kids to enter the coal mines at the age of 12, or even younger, and labor there for an entire lifetime. The purpose of the compulsory education law was to give these kids a chance at a better life. Although we'd hope that human nature would act differently, we have to understand that there were fathers who'd put their kids into the mines at a very early age, if only for the wages that would be brought home. Hey, if Daddy didn't get much schooling then why do the sons need schooling? Fortunately, laws were passed and, at least at the time I was graduated, a child had to be in school until age 16. I think that might have been raised to age 18. Now ... if you want to home school the kids *and* they will get a good education, then I have no issues with that. The goal is an educated individual. If a parent lays out a curriculum and sticks to it, the child might get a superior education. As for those of you who are worried about the gubmint indoctrinating a child with socialist views in school, I must differ. I am *way* more worried about the child be indoctrinated with way more dangerous philosophies, mostly religious in nature. All three of my children went to public schools. None are atheists. All three are pretty good citizens. My step-daughter is the dummy of the trio, having only a 3.6 GPA as a university junior. And before you think I have my head up my rear, I was *there* at BJU when this home school movement was launched, and knew some of the folks who were writing the curriculum. You worry about your child being perverted during twelve years of public education? Just give them twelve years of BJU-prepared stuff. I am a product of a sheltered Fundamentalist upbringing and am slightly screwed up as a result. Fortunately, I broke out (in my mid-20s) and am still a recovering Fundamentalist. D. On Jan 8, 2008 7:33 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great idea! Perhaps the presidential candidates will take this up as a plank in their law n' order platform (I think Fred might already be there!). It will bi-partisan support, who is the best one to make that change? --R (I'm for change and the best one to make it!) Tom Hargrave wrote: Yah, right. At the same time why don't you pass a law making convenience store robberies illegal? This way, no more convenience stores will be robbed? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
I believe that the government is a force for evil that exists to enrich itself and is currently at war with the people on every level. I believe that education is a gimmick to give a lot of stupid people part time jobs with full time pay and has no objective beyond that, other than political indoctrinating the students to go along with the program. I could go on further, but I feel i've said enough to qualify for tinfoil. I think you are a sucker and a fool and you think i'm flat nuts. what else is new? On Jan 8, 2008 10:16 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope you are correct. It will all depend on (1) the education ethic of the child and (2) the RULES set down by the ADULT in charge of the educational process. Nothing different from public schools. The kids who want to learn will. Those who aren't interested can't be beat into submission. As for the gubment corrupting the children ... send me your address so I can provide the raw materials for your tin foil hat. On Jan 8, 2008 8:53 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i would be happy to have my kid take any standard government test and when she scores in the top few percentile, i would like them to just leave us the hell alone and quit wasting our time and robbing our spirit. way back in the day, you were finished being educated by the time you were 14 or 15 and if you actually knew something, you'd go to harvard or princeton till you were about 18. that was legitimate education. we now have 19 year olds who can barely read on a 4th grade level taking up space at a cost of 5 figures a year and tell people this somehow benefits the children. this is a lie. what would benefit the children is to let the smart ones finish high school at the age of 14 and let the dumb ones go work in the mines. the idea of of dumbing and slowing it down so the smart ones are locked up bored to tears until 18 so the dumb ones can actually follow it (which they won't because they are stupid and they don't care) benefits no one but the educators who get rich off this. NOTHING is to benefit the children. NOTHING is to benefit the poor. NOTHING is to benefit most of us. The government only benefits itself and only brings desolation to the citizenry. If we were a decent and intelligent society, we would demand they be dismantled, but we are stupid dupes who believe propaganda. at least in the old soviet union, no one over the age of 10 believed the nonsense they were fed by the government. I suppose the russians are just that much smarter than we are. On 1/8/08, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the risk of turning the conversation back to home schooling, one must understand why the government came up with this sort of go to school rule in the first place. It was for the protection of the children, not as some sort of evil government meddling. Where I grew up (West Virginia), it wasn't unusual -- not too many years before I was born in 1952 -- for kids to enter the coal mines at the age of 12, or even younger, and labor there for an entire lifetime. The purpose of the compulsory education law was to give these kids a chance at a better life. Although we'd hope that human nature would act differently, we have to understand that there were fathers who'd put their kids into the mines at a very early age, if only for the wages that would be brought home. Hey, if Daddy didn't get much schooling then why do the sons need schooling? Fortunately, laws were passed and, at least at the time I was graduated, a child had to be in school until age 16. I think that might have been raised to age 18. Now ... if you want to home school the kids *and* they will get a good education, then I have no issues with that. The goal is an educated individual. If a parent lays out a curriculum and sticks to it, the child might get a superior education. As for those of you who are worried about the gubmint indoctrinating a child with socialist views in school, I must differ. I am *way* more worried about the child be indoctrinated with way more dangerous philosophies, mostly religious in nature. All three of my children went to public schools. None are atheists. All three are pretty good citizens. My step-daughter is the dummy of the trio, having only a 3.6 GPA as a university junior. And before you think I have my head up my rear, I was *there* at BJU when this home school movement was launched, and knew some of the folks who were writing the curriculum. You worry about your child being perverted during twelve years of public education? Just give them twelve years of BJU-prepared stuff. I am a product of a sheltered Fundamentalist upbringing and am slightly screwed up as a result. Fortunately, I broke out (in my mid-20s) and am still a
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
http://zapatopi.net/afdb/ Wonko the Sane wrote: As for the gubment corrupting the children ... send me your address so I can provide the raw materials for your tin foil hat. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
I only object to home schooling when when the parent's beliefs differ from my own. I'm being sarcastic, but have to admit that I must periodically remind myself that it's the parent's right to raise their kids as they see fit. If you give your child 2 hours a day of focused concentration on any learning plan, you have accomplished more than any public or private school can. -Dave Walton On Jan 8, 2008 11:11 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe that the government is a force for evil that exists to enrich itself and is currently at war with the people on every level. I believe that education is a gimmick to give a lot of stupid people part time jobs with full time pay and has no objective beyond that, other than political indoctrinating the students to go along with the program. I could go on further, but I feel i've said enough to qualify for tinfoil. I think you are a sucker and a fool and you think i'm flat nuts. what else is new? On Jan 8, 2008 10:16 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope you are correct. It will all depend on (1) the education ethic of the child and (2) the RULES set down by the ADULT in charge of the educational process. Nothing different from public schools. The kids who want to learn will. Those who aren't interested can't be beat into submission. As for the gubment corrupting the children ... send me your address so I can provide the raw materials for your tin foil hat. On Jan 8, 2008 8:53 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i would be happy to have my kid take any standard government test and when she scores in the top few percentile, i would like them to just leave us the hell alone and quit wasting our time and robbing our spirit. way back in the day, you were finished being educated by the time you were 14 or 15 and if you actually knew something, you'd go to harvard or princeton till you were about 18. that was legitimate education. we now have 19 year olds who can barely read on a 4th grade level taking up space at a cost of 5 figures a year and tell people this somehow benefits the children. this is a lie. what would benefit the children is to let the smart ones finish high school at the age of 14 and let the dumb ones go work in the mines. the idea of of dumbing and slowing it down so the smart ones are locked up bored to tears until 18 so the dumb ones can actually follow it (which they won't because they are stupid and they don't care) benefits no one but the educators who get rich off this. NOTHING is to benefit the children. NOTHING is to benefit the poor. NOTHING is to benefit most of us. The government only benefits itself and only brings desolation to the citizenry. If we were a decent and intelligent society, we would demand they be dismantled, but we are stupid dupes who believe propaganda. at least in the old soviet union, no one over the age of 10 believed the nonsense they were fed by the government. I suppose the russians are just that much smarter than we are. On 1/8/08, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the risk of turning the conversation back to home schooling, one must understand why the government came up with this sort of go to school rule in the first place. It was for the protection of the children, not as some sort of evil government meddling. Where I grew up (West Virginia), it wasn't unusual -- not too many years before I was born in 1952 -- for kids to enter the coal mines at the age of 12, or even younger, and labor there for an entire lifetime. The purpose of the compulsory education law was to give these kids a chance at a better life. Although we'd hope that human nature would act differently, we have to understand that there were fathers who'd put their kids into the mines at a very early age, if only for the wages that would be brought home. Hey, if Daddy didn't get much schooling then why do the sons need schooling? Fortunately, laws were passed and, at least at the time I was graduated, a child had to be in school until age 16. I think that might have been raised to age 18. Now ... if you want to home school the kids *and* they will get a good education, then I have no issues with that. The goal is an educated individual. If a parent lays out a curriculum and sticks to it, the child might get a superior education. As for those of you who are worried about the gubmint indoctrinating a child with socialist views in school, I must differ. I am *way* more worried about the child be indoctrinated with way more dangerous philosophies, mostly religious in nature. All three of my children went to public schools. None are atheists. All three are pretty good citizens. My step-daughter is the dummy of
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
yeah, i'd figure about 10 hours a week of actual learning should beat out 30 to 40 hours a week of busy work, propaganda and art projects about martin luther king. On Jan 8, 2008 11:32 PM, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I only object to home schooling when when the parent's beliefs differ from my own. I'm being sarcastic, but have to admit that I must periodically remind myself that it's the parent's right to raise their kids as they see fit. If you give your child 2 hours a day of focused concentration on any learning plan, you have accomplished more than any public or private school can. -Dave Walton On Jan 8, 2008 11:11 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe that the government is a force for evil that exists to enrich itself and is currently at war with the people on every level. I believe that education is a gimmick to give a lot of stupid people part time jobs with full time pay and has no objective beyond that, other than political indoctrinating the students to go along with the program. I could go on further, but I feel i've said enough to qualify for tinfoil. I think you are a sucker and a fool and you think i'm flat nuts. what else is new? On Jan 8, 2008 10:16 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope you are correct. It will all depend on (1) the education ethic of the child and (2) the RULES set down by the ADULT in charge of the educational process. Nothing different from public schools. The kids who want to learn will. Those who aren't interested can't be beat into submission. As for the gubment corrupting the children ... send me your address so I can provide the raw materials for your tin foil hat. On Jan 8, 2008 8:53 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i would be happy to have my kid take any standard government test and when she scores in the top few percentile, i would like them to just leave us the hell alone and quit wasting our time and robbing our spirit. way back in the day, you were finished being educated by the time you were 14 or 15 and if you actually knew something, you'd go to harvard or princeton till you were about 18. that was legitimate education. we now have 19 year olds who can barely read on a 4th grade level taking up space at a cost of 5 figures a year and tell people this somehow benefits the children. this is a lie. what would benefit the children is to let the smart ones finish high school at the age of 14 and let the dumb ones go work in the mines. the idea of of dumbing and slowing it down so the smart ones are locked up bored to tears until 18 so the dumb ones can actually follow it (which they won't because they are stupid and they don't care) benefits no one but the educators who get rich off this. NOTHING is to benefit the children. NOTHING is to benefit the poor. NOTHING is to benefit most of us. The government only benefits itself and only brings desolation to the citizenry. If we were a decent and intelligent society, we would demand they be dismantled, but we are stupid dupes who believe propaganda. at least in the old soviet union, no one over the age of 10 believed the nonsense they were fed by the government. I suppose the russians are just that much smarter than we are. On 1/8/08, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the risk of turning the conversation back to home schooling, one must understand why the government came up with this sort of go to school rule in the first place. It was for the protection of the children, not as some sort of evil government meddling. Where I grew up (West Virginia), it wasn't unusual -- not too many years before I was born in 1952 -- for kids to enter the coal mines at the age of 12, or even younger, and labor there for an entire lifetime. The purpose of the compulsory education law was to give these kids a chance at a better life. Although we'd hope that human nature would act differently, we have to understand that there were fathers who'd put their kids into the mines at a very early age, if only for the wages that would be brought home. Hey, if Daddy didn't get much schooling then why do the sons need schooling? Fortunately, laws were passed and, at least at the time I was graduated, a child had to be in school until age 16. I think that might have been raised to age 18. Now ... if you want to home school the kids *and* they will get a good education, then I have no issues with that. The goal is an educated individual. If a parent lays out a curriculum and sticks to it, the child might get a superior education. As for those of you who are worried about the gubmint
[MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
I'm confused. Was East Germany absorbed into West Germany, or was West Germany absorbed into East Germany? It seems like the East German government is the surviving entity here: http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59536 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Mitch, Try taking your kids out of the public school system without enrolling them in a Government approved private school system here in the States and you'll discover how many parents rights you don't have. And by the way, home schooling is only legal in some states because of a support network that has been approved by big brother. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 2:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost I'm confused. Was East Germany absorbed into West Germany, or was West Germany absorbed into East Germany? It seems like the East German government is the surviving entity here: http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59536 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
i just took my kid out of school, so i guess i'll find out On Jan 7, 2008 2:37 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mitch, Try taking your kids out of the public school system without enrolling them in a Government approved private school system here in the States and you'll discover how many parents rights you don't have. And by the way, home schooling is only legal in some states because of a support network that has been approved by big brother. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 2:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost I'm confused. Was East Germany absorbed into West Germany, or was West Germany absorbed into East Germany? It seems like the East German government is the surviving entity here: http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59536 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Gary Hurst wrote: i just took my kid out of school, so i guess i'll find out If you think home schooling is bad, try refusing to send your kid to the hospital when the paramedics don't find anything wrong with him after he falls and bumps his head in the driveway. http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59566 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
What are you going to do? Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost i just took my kid out of school, so i guess i'll find out On Jan 7, 2008 2:37 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mitch, Try taking your kids out of the public school system without enrolling them in a Government approved private school system here in the States and you'll discover how many parents rights you don't have. And by the way, home schooling is only legal in some states because of a support network that has been approved by big brother. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 2:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost I'm confused. Was East Germany absorbed into West Germany, or was West Germany absorbed into East Germany? It seems like the East German government is the surviving entity here: http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59536 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
But are they signed up to home school is it through a state certified agency? Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 2:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost i just took my kid out of school, so i guess i'll find out On Jan 7, 2008 2:37 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mitch, Try taking your kids out of the public school system without enrolling them in a Government approved private school system here in the States and you'll discover how many parents rights you don't have. And by the way, home schooling is only legal in some states because of a support network that has been approved by big brother. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 2:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost I'm confused. Was East Germany absorbed into West Germany, or was West Germany absorbed into East Germany? It seems like the East German government is the surviving entity here: http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59536 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
you are confused because you suppose that the euros have a history of similar freedoms to those we once enjoyed here in the usa. countries such as germany have no tradition of individual liberty. consider for a moment that the most popular german leader of the last 100 years was hitler and you can get some kind of understanding. what is stunning is how we have allowed this continental tyranny to take hold in our nation. On Jan 7, 2008 2:11 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm confused. Was East Germany absorbed into West Germany, or was West Germany absorbed into East Germany? It seems like the East German government is the surviving entity here: http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59536 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
mcguffey, dude, what else? i also signed her up for a canned program called time4learing.com, but mostly did that on price. On Jan 7, 2008 2:44 PM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are you going to do? Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost i just took my kid out of school, so i guess i'll find out On Jan 7, 2008 2:37 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mitch, Try taking your kids out of the public school system without enrolling them in a Government approved private school system here in the States and you'll discover how many parents rights you don't have. And by the way, home schooling is only legal in some states because of a support network that has been approved by big brother. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 2:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost I'm confused. Was East Germany absorbed into West Germany, or was West Germany absorbed into East Germany? It seems like the East German government is the surviving entity here: http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59536 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
no. On Jan 7, 2008 2:51 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But are they signed up to home school is it through a state certified agency? Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 2:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost i just took my kid out of school, so i guess i'll find out On Jan 7, 2008 2:37 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mitch, Try taking your kids out of the public school system without enrolling them in a Government approved private school system here in the States and you'll discover how many parents rights you don't have. And by the way, home schooling is only legal in some states because of a support network that has been approved by big brother. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 2:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost I'm confused. Was East Germany absorbed into West Germany, or was West Germany absorbed into East Germany? It seems like the East German government is the surviving entity here: http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59536 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Oh yes...you said that before. Rock on! Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:58 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost mcguffey, dude, what else? i also signed her up for a canned program called time4learing.com, but mostly did that on price. On Jan 7, 2008 2:44 PM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are you going to do? Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost i just took my kid out of school, so i guess i'll find out On Jan 7, 2008 2:37 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mitch, Try taking your kids out of the public school system without enrolling them in a Government approved private school system here in the States and you'll discover how many parents rights you don't have. And by the way, home schooling is only legal in some states because of a support network that has been approved by big brother. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 2:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost I'm confused. Was East Germany absorbed into West Germany, or was West Germany absorbed into East Germany? It seems like the East German government is the surviving entity here: http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59536 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Tom Hargrave wrote: Try taking your kids out of the public school system without enrolling them in a Government approved private school system here in the States and you'll discover how many parents rights you don't have. I think there should be accountability/basic regulations regarding homeschooling. I don't have anything against homeschooling... I just think that there should be some guarantee that you will actually teach them (and that they've learned something). The only way I see for that guarantee to happen is for the government to enforce it. It is unfortunate for the states who do not have the a parent organization for homeschooling though... John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Gary Hurst wrote: no. Do you have a plan for teaching her? Just curious, but why did you take her out? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
it has to beat being shown endless videos on martin luther king by semi-literates and then representing his struggle in various art projects, no? not that i don't admire mlk, particularly his handling of the white women, but there are limits. On Jan 7, 2008 2:57 PM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh yes...you said that before. Rock on! Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:58 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost mcguffey, dude, what else? i also signed her up for a canned program called time4learing.com, but mostly did that on price. On Jan 7, 2008 2:44 PM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are you going to do? Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost i just took my kid out of school, so i guess i'll find out On Jan 7, 2008 2:37 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mitch, Try taking your kids out of the public school system without enrolling them in a Government approved private school system here in the States and you'll discover how many parents rights you don't have. And by the way, home schooling is only legal in some states because of a support network that has been approved by big brother. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 2:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost I'm confused. Was East Germany absorbed into West Germany, or was West Germany absorbed into East Germany? It seems like the East German government is the surviving entity here: http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59536 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
by having the swat team kick down my door and force me to assume the position, pistol whipping me as they search for politically correct art projects? given their dismal failure, shouldn't you be more concerned about some sort of accountability regarding public schooling? On Jan 7, 2008 3:05 PM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Hargrave wrote: Try taking your kids out of the public school system without enrolling them in a Government approved private school system here in the States and you'll discover how many parents rights you don't have. I think there should be accountability/basic regulations regarding homeschooling. I don't have anything against homeschooling... I just think that there should be some guarantee that you will actually teach them (and that they've learned something). The only way I see for that guarantee to happen is for the government to enforce it. It is unfortunate for the states who do not have the a parent organization for homeschooling though... John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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frustration with lack of progress in skill set development and extraordinary low expectations in this regard by the school. high expectations for conformity and low expectations for skills just have it backwards as far as we can see. On Jan 7, 2008 3:06 PM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: no. Do you have a plan for teaching her? Just curious, but why did you take her out? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Just claim it's for religious reasons and they'll leave you alone... Dan --- John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: no. Do you have a plan for teaching her? Just curious, but why did you take her out? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Hire your new friends from the 'hood as body guards. On Jan 7, 2008 2:10 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: by having the swat team kick down my door and force me to assume the position, pistol whipping me as they search for politically correct art projects? -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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not sure anarchist libertarian pacifist quite constitutes a religion. but your point is well taken. probably behooves us to join some sort of fundamentalist christian homeschooling organization for protection against vindictive action from government thugs. On Jan 7, 2008 3:20 PM, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just claim it's for religious reasons and they'll leave you alone... Dan --- John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: no. Do you have a plan for teaching her? Just curious, but why did you take her out? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Mitch, Try taking your kids out of the public school system without enrolling them in a Government approved private school system here in the States and you'll discover how many parents rights you don't have. And by the way, home schooling is only legal in some states because of a support network that has been approved by big brother. Tom My first pass reading that I thought you were saying the reason home schooling is legal because there are some states that that have fought off 'big brother'. This is not correct. But then I read through it again and realized that it could be read a different way. in some states, home schooling is only allowed if the home schoolers are a part of 'big brother's' network. Which is correct. The English language - especially the North American version - can be so obtuse... -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Yah, right - try that in Alabama without signing up to a big brother approved Christian homeschool organization DHR will be by to pick up the kids after a 6 week investigation. Anyone who really knows better will tell you that the state considers your children property of the state. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 3:20 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost Just claim it's for religious reasons and they'll leave you alone... Dan --- John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: no. Do you have a plan for teaching her? Just curious, but why did you take her out? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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the track record of fighting the man in the hood is less than exemplary. mostly they just end up in jail or dead as a result of their disagreements with the law. interestingly, they have a 2 acre backyard behind the family compound house. the house is interesting as it started as a small house and amateur extensions are put on it as the need arises, so now it is more like a giant railroad flat rather than the ranch house it started life as. the mother has actually been offered insane amounts of money for the property by developers who would put up cheap easy financing town houses, but she won't sell. she says it is her neighborhood and she likes it the way it is. my prediction is that it becomes 40 townwhouses from 110k within six months after her demise On Jan 7, 2008 3:21 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hire your new friends from the 'hood as body guards. On Jan 7, 2008 2:10 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: by having the swat team kick down my door and force me to assume the position, pistol whipping me as they search for politically correct art projects? -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Correct. - Original Message - From: Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 3:27 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost Mitch, Try taking your kids out of the public school system without enrolling them in a Government approved private school system here in the States and you'll discover how many parents rights you don't have. And by the way, home schooling is only legal in some states because of a support network that has been approved by big brother. Tom My first pass reading that I thought you were saying the reason home schooling is legal because there are some states that that have fought off 'big brother'. This is not correct. But then I read through it again and realized that it could be read a different way. in some states, home schooling is only allowed if the home schoolers are a part of 'big brother's' network. Which is correct. The English language - especially the North American version - can be so obtuse... -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
i try to explain that to my kid all the time, how she really must be cautious because she has less rights than her dogs in the country and can be victimized by the state at their amusement. she doesn't believe me, as 10 year olds can't really grasp that the authorities have embraced evil and make uncontested war on the people. On Jan 7, 2008 3:30 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yah, right - try that in Alabama without signing up to a big brother approved Christian homeschool organization DHR will be by to pick up the kids after a 6 week investigation. Anyone who really knows better will tell you that the state considers your children property of the state. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 3:20 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost Just claim it's for religious reasons and they'll leave you alone... Dan --- John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: no. Do you have a plan for teaching her? Just curious, but why did you take her out? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
That's because the state considers your children property of the state you are responsible for taking care of them. Don't take care of them to the state's minimum standards (refuse to send your kid to the hospital when the paramedics don't find anything wrong with him after he falls and bumps his head in the driveway) and you'll discover how fast the state will step in to protect their property. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 2:47 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost Gary Hurst wrote: i just took my kid out of school, so i guess i'll find out If you think home schooling is bad, try refusing to send your kid to the hospital when the paramedics don't find anything wrong with him after he falls and bumps his head in the driveway. http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59566 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
have you ever spoken to any products of the foster car system? they are routinely abused, neglected and even sexually molested while in state care. protecting their property doesn't even seem to exist beyond pretext. there seems nothing here beyond state sponsored terrorism and profiteering. people such as mrs clinton worry me as they seem to prefer more of this rather than less of this. although i can't really support any political candidate as i'm looking for one that will offer me nothing and ask me for nothing. On Jan 7, 2008 3:44 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's because the state considers your children property of the state you are responsible for taking care of them. Don't take care of them to the state's minimum standards (refuse to send your kid to the hospital when the paramedics don't find anything wrong with him after he falls and bumps his head in the driveway) and you'll discover how fast the state will step in to protect their property. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 2:47 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost Gary Hurst wrote: i just took my kid out of school, so i guess i'll find out If you think home schooling is bad, try refusing to send your kid to the hospital when the paramedics don't find anything wrong with him after he falls and bumps his head in the driveway. http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59566 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Gary Hurst wrote: frustration with lack of progress in skill set development and extraordinary low expectations in this regard by the school. high expectations for conformity and low expectations for skills just have it backwards as far as we can see. Hey, you're right in the heart of New Soviet Georgia. Where the only thing that matters is making sure the kid faces felony charges because his mom saw an auto safety special on TV and put Swiss Army knives in the family cars in case somebody needed to cut a seat belt. It doesn't even matter that the law he was charged under specifies an allowable blade length and the knife in question was smaller than the limit. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/14043836/detail.html Florida is slightly better, they dropped the felony charges against the fifth grader whose mother packed a knife and fork in her lunch. http://www.ocala.com/article/20071221/NEWS/394926456/1340/NEWS http://www.examiner.com/a-1124288~Charges_dropped_against_girl_who_brought_steak_knife_to_school.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
you are trying to make me even more depressed than i already am, huh? it is stunning that the government is absolutely powerless to fight any real crime and the police simply will not protect and serve, but they have resources for all of this nonsense you have been showing us. what can one conclude? that the government is absolutely stupid and incompetent? that they know exactly what they are doing, which is waging a terror campaign to keep the citizenry in line? in any case, why do we want to keep these people and organizations in existence? On Jan 7, 2008 4:01 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: frustration with lack of progress in skill set development and extraordinary low expectations in this regard by the school. high expectations for conformity and low expectations for skills just have it backwards as far as we can see. Hey, you're right in the heart of New Soviet Georgia. Where the only thing that matters is making sure the kid faces felony charges because his mom saw an auto safety special on TV and put Swiss Army knives in the family cars in case somebody needed to cut a seat belt. It doesn't even matter that the law he was charged under specifies an allowable blade length and the knife in question was smaller than the limit. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/14043836/detail.html Florida is slightly better, they dropped the felony charges against the fifth grader whose mother packed a knife and fork in her lunch. http://www.ocala.com/article/20071221/NEWS/394926456/1340/NEWS http://www.examiner.com/a-1124288~Charges_dropped_against_girl_who_brought_steak_knife_to_school.htmlhttp://www.examiner.com/a-1124288%7ECharges_dropped_against_girl_who_brought_steak_knife_to_school.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Unfortunately, I've been involved with the system. We took temporary custody of a Niece while her Mother got her drug filled life in order. I learned through the process how much the State really can do. DHR was has a court order in hand to remove her from the house she was living in threatened to take legal action if we did not step in become responsible Aunt Uncle. It was a very expensive and failed experiment. It's 4 years later and the Niece is 17 years old, now lives with her (much older) drug dealing Boyfriend the Mother is back on Crystal Methe. At least She is not pregnant (yet). Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 3:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost have you ever spoken to any products of the foster car system? they are routinely abused, neglected and even sexually molested while in state care. protecting their property doesn't even seem to exist beyond pretext. there seems nothing here beyond state sponsored terrorism and profiteering. people such as mrs clinton worry me as they seem to prefer more of this rather than less of this. although i can't really support any political candidate as i'm looking for one that will offer me nothing and ask me for nothing. On Jan 7, 2008 3:44 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's because the state considers your children property of the state you are responsible for taking care of them. Don't take care of them to the state's minimum standards (refuse to send your kid to the hospital when the paramedics don't find anything wrong with him after he falls and bumps his head in the driveway) and you'll discover how fast the state will step in to protect their property. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 2:47 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost Gary Hurst wrote: i just took my kid out of school, so i guess i'll find out If you think home schooling is bad, try refusing to send your kid to the hospital when the paramedics don't find anything wrong with him after he falls and bumps his head in the driveway. http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59566 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Howdy, I guess Va is one of the few states that allow homeschooling and accomodates those wishing to do so to make things as easy as possible. My daughter decided to homeschool our g-son when he was to enter the 1st grade - luckily the state doesn't get in the way of those wishing to home school and my daughter is fully qualified to teach him. He's 10 now and scores in the highest areas of the stesting standards - mid to upper 90's - as well as being very well rounded. He plays soccer, golf and baseball on every Saturday as well as taking a Drama class as well as a music class. It is unconscionable that Germany would treat parents in such a manner. It seems as though the Nazi's are still in control. The article mentioned the Nazi era law mandating public schooling -- I would have thought all the nazi laws would have been rescinded following the defeat of those monsters. Evidently not. The logic of making everyone fit into the same mold escapes me. It's kind of surprising to see the UN standing on the proper side of this issue. It doesn't happen often - but the German Gov't needs to be brought into the 20th century -- then into the 21st Century once they acclimate to the 20th. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost Mitch, Try taking your kids out of the public school system without enrolling them in a Government approved private school system here in the States and you'll discover how many parents rights you don't have. And by the way, home schooling is only legal in some states because of a support network that has been approved by big brother. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 2:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost I'm confused. Was East Germany absorbed into West Germany, or was West Germany absorbed into East Germany? It seems like the East German government is the surviving entity here: http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59536 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
IIRC, our g-son must be tested every 3-5 years to insure he is receiving an appropriate education.I believe he's already had one series of tests and scored very high. I mentioned mid 90% in my previous email - I believe that's the tests where he scored so highly. My wife keeps track of all that and she;s not home at the moment -- will ask when she returns - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost Tom Hargrave wrote: Try taking your kids out of the public school system without enrolling them in a Government approved private school system here in the States and you'll discover how many parents rights you don't have. I think there should be accountability/basic regulations regarding homeschooling. I don't have anything against homeschooling... I just think that there should be some guarantee that you will actually teach them (and that they've learned something). The only way I see for that guarantee to happen is for the government to enforce it. It is unfortunate for the states who do not have the a parent organization for homeschooling though... John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
HE just had winning bid on the old powerbook I had on eBay. I think he is going to put her to work rebuilding laptops and then selling them on craigslist. clay On 7 Jan 2008, at 11:58, Gary Hurst wrote: mcguffey, dude, what else? i also signed her up for a canned program called time4learing.com, but mostly did that on price. On Jan 7, 2008 2:44 PM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are you going to do? Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mercedes- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost i just took my kid out of school, so i guess i'll find out On Jan 7, 2008 2:37 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mitch, Try taking your kids out of the public school system without enrolling them in a Government approved private school system here in the States and you'll discover how many parents rights you don't have. And by the way, home schooling is only legal in some states because of a support network that has been approved by big brother. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 2:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost I'm confused. Was East Germany absorbed into West Germany, or was West Germany absorbed into East Germany? It seems like the East German government is the surviving entity here: http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59536 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
I am not at all sure home schooling is good for most kids. The BiL who lives in the boonies of NC is going to school his kids. Their oldest is seven and has the diction of a three year old. Not sure he has a grasp of basic second grade math or reading either. Then again, I am comparing his slag child to my kid and it seems that either my kid is sporting an IQ of 220 or his kid is just plain retarded. clay On 7 Jan 2008, at 12:05, John Robbins wrote: Tom Hargrave wrote: Try taking your kids out of the public school system without enrolling them in a Government approved private school system here in the States and you'll discover how many parents rights you don't have. I think there should be accountability/basic regulations regarding homeschooling. I don't have anything against homeschooling... I just think that there should be some guarantee that you will actually teach them (and that they've learned something). The only way I see for that guarantee to happen is for the government to enforce it. It is unfortunate for the states who do not have the a parent organization for homeschooling though... John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
I disagree with that, you are forgetting about Martin Luther who stood up to the Catholic church and won. It can be argued that his actions inspired others to stand up for their rights and may well have influenced your founding fathers and their view of liberty. Also I think to say that Hitler was the most popular leader in the last 100 years is somewhat misleading, considering the circumstances. Gary Hurst wrote: you are confused because you suppose that the euros have a history of similar freedoms to those we once enjoyed here in the usa. countries such as germany have no tradition of individual liberty. consider for a moment that the most popular german leader of the last 100 years was hitler and you can get some kind of understanding. what is stunning is how we have allowed this continental tyranny to take hold in our nation. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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No, what is stunning is how long it's taken to revert back to having to have someone tell you what to do - like the rest of the world. what is stunning is how we have allowed this continental tyranny to take hold in our nation. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
It's your responsibility to see that she learns something - in school or at home. She'll learn to deal with the other people on the planet at school - something that you'll have a hard time teaching her at home. given their dismal failure, shouldn't you be more concerned about some sort of accountability regarding public schooling? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
They aren't much different than the government in that regard. probably behooves us to join some sort of fundamentalist christian homeschooling organization for protection against vindictive action from government thugs. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
OK Don wrote: She'll learn to deal with the other people on the planet at school - something that you'll have a hard time teaching her at home. These days, it seems like they will train her to be a good slave if he lets the public school system get their hooks in her much farther. Hitler was way ahead of his time, made quite a point of indoctrinating Germany's youth. Now that we have defeated Nazism, and finally Communism, we're using the schools to communize our kids. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Same treatment from the religious run foster care system - it's a matter of what are you going to do with the kids abandoned by miscreant parents? On Jan 7, 2008 2:52 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: have you ever spoken to any products of the foster car system? they are routinely abused, neglected and even sexually molested while in state care. protecting their property doesn't even seem to exist beyond pretext. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
The fundamentalists are much different than the government. I should know -- that is how I was reared. The government can say do it my way or to jail you go. The fundamentalists exhibit the same need for control, except they threaten you with everlasting punishment in hell instead of a brief time in jail. It all comes down to emotional blackmail, no matter how you slice it. On 1/7/08, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They aren't much different than the government in that regard. probably behooves us to join some sort of fundamentalist christian homeschooling organization for protection against vindictive action from government thugs. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
the degree of personal liberty under hitler was pretty good compared to ours in some areas. our government freaks would make old dolf blush. On Jan 7, 2008 8:45 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK Don wrote: She'll learn to deal with the other people on the planet at school - something that you'll have a hard time teaching her at home. These days, it seems like they will train her to be a good slave if he lets the public school system get their hooks in her much farther. Hitler was way ahead of his time, made quite a point of indoctrinating Germany's youth. Now that we have defeated Nazism, and finally Communism, we're using the schools to communize our kids. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
My four kids went through the worst grade and middle schools in town, and ended up at NYU, Yale, and OU with scholarships. You are responsible for what they learn, not the school. On Jan 7, 2008 7:45 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK Don wrote: She'll learn to deal with the other people on the planet at school - something that you'll have a hard time teaching her at home. These days, it seems like they will train her to be a good slave if he lets the public school system get their hooks in her much farther. Hitler was way ahead of his time, made quite a point of indoctrinating Germany's youth. Now that we have defeated Nazism, and finally Communism, we're using the schools to communize our kids. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
what about the kids that are kidnapped and farmed out to abusive foster homes by their friends in the government (i would presume that these government agents get some kind of kickback, but don't know how the details work)? On Jan 7, 2008 8:47 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Same treatment from the religious run foster care system - it's a matter of what are you going to do with the kids abandoned by miscreant parents? On Jan 7, 2008 2:52 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: have you ever spoken to any products of the foster car system? they are routinely abused, neglected and even sexually molested while in state care. protecting their property doesn't even seem to exist beyond pretext. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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i'm not saying that i support the fundamentalists, just that i might need their protection. On Jan 7, 2008 8:49 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The fundamentalists are much different than the government. I should know -- that is how I was reared. The government can say do it my way or to jail you go. The fundamentalists exhibit the same need for control, except they threaten you with everlasting punishment in hell instead of a brief time in jail. It all comes down to emotional blackmail, no matter how you slice it. On 1/7/08, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They aren't much different than the government in that regard. probably behooves us to join some sort of fundamentalist christian homeschooling organization for protection against vindictive action from government thugs. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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again, they need to get their own house in order . i would bet anything that the home schoolers utterly destroy the government schoolers on these tests. why aren't the child welfare agencies dragging teachers and principals off to jail? oh, yeah, cause it's a racket! On Jan 7, 2008 6:01 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IIRC, our g-son must be tested every 3-5 years to insure he is receiving an appropriate education.I believe he's already had one series of tests and scored very high. I mentioned mid 90% in my previous email - I believe that's the tests where he scored so highly. My wife keeps track of all that and she;s not home at the moment -- will ask when she returns - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost Tom Hargrave wrote: Try taking your kids out of the public school system without enrolling them in a Government approved private school system here in the States and you'll discover how many parents rights you don't have. I think there should be accountability/basic regulations regarding homeschooling. I don't have anything against homeschooling... I just think that there should be some guarantee that you will actually teach them (and that they've learned something). The only way I see for that guarantee to happen is for the government to enforce it. It is unfortunate for the states who do not have the a parent organization for homeschooling though... John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Kidnapped Have you seen how bad it has to get before the kids are removed from a home? That's the LAST resort. Wittness the LACK of response to the ealrier reports to child wlefare about Kaleb's new kids. Follow a child welfare worker around for a few days - it'll open your eyes. We don't pay enough for a foster family to take proper care of kids, can't find enough homes for the kids that need them. So you get what you pay for - those who do take them have other motives than the kids best welfare in mind. On Jan 7, 2008 7:58 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what about the kids that are kidnapped and farmed out to abusive foster homes by their friends in the government (i would presume that these government agents get some kind of kickback, but don't know how the details work)? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Those fundamentalists will feel the need, no calling, to beat the devil out of the likes of you On Jan 7, 2008 7:59 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm not saying that i support the fundamentalists, just that i might need their protection. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
google georgia dfcs and you will have enough kidnap stories to fill a book. children are kidnapped for reasons such as there were scissors in the house. we have a customer at bimby who drives an S600 from being a professional foster parent. tom, who works at bimby, has personal knowledge of such kidnappings for profit from his days working retail, where many of his employees had second incomes from keeping a kid or two locked obtained by predatory means in the closet when they went to work. what's next for you to say? that we are in iraq to save the world from terrorism? child welfare worker, right. insult someone elses intelligence On Jan 7, 2008 9:05 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kidnapped Have you seen how bad it has to get before the kids are removed from a home? That's the LAST resort. Wittness the LACK of response to the ealrier reports to child wlefare about Kaleb's new kids. Follow a child welfare worker around for a few days - it'll open your eyes. We don't pay enough for a foster family to take proper care of kids, can't find enough homes for the kids that need them. So you get what you pay for - those who do take them have other motives than the kids best welfare in mind. On Jan 7, 2008 7:58 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what about the kids that are kidnapped and farmed out to abusive foster homes by their friends in the government (i would presume that these government agents get some kind of kickback, but don't know how the details work)? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
OK Don wrote: My four kids went through the worst grade and middle schools in town, and ended up at NYU, Yale, and OU with scholarships. You are responsible for what they learn, not the school. Admission to Yale is not proof that your kids were not exposed to socialist indoctrination. In fact, a large dose of neocommunist leanings probably makes advancement easier in the ivy leagues. (not saying your kids believe in that stuff, but I can guarantee it was preached to them) Here in the Big 10, activism in 'progressive social causes' is a literal requirement for graduation with a degree in education. Those are the people who end up teaching our kids. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
I agree with Don. Child Services (DHR in Alabama) is the most over worked government organization in any state. The problem is that the workers have to obtain unrefutable evidence then they have to present the evidence to a Judge the judge has to issue a court order to have the child or children removed. All of this is necessary because of our lawsuit happy society. The Chld Services workers have to protect themselves from being sued by the parents of the children they are trying to protect. Based on Kaleb's his Wive's comments on the kid's overall condition, Kaleb's new family are a likely good example of the system failing. It's possible that the family had been investigated but Child Services could not put together enough evidence to convince a judge to issue a court order. But it's just as likely that they were never investigated because of the work load most Child Services must carry. My Niece was removed from her Mother 4 years too late - She was 13 years old. Kaleb's new family are younger and they have a chance to make a difference. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 9:18 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost google georgia dfcs and you will have enough kidnap stories to fill a book. children are kidnapped for reasons such as there were scissors in the house. we have a customer at bimby who drives an S600 from being a professional foster parent. tom, who works at bimby, has personal knowledge of such kidnappings for profit from his days working retail, where many of his employees had second incomes from keeping a kid or two locked obtained by predatory means in the closet when they went to work. what's next for you to say? that we are in iraq to save the world from terrorism? child welfare worker, right. insult someone elses intelligence On Jan 7, 2008 9:05 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kidnapped Have you seen how bad it has to get before the kids are removed from a home? That's the LAST resort. Wittness the LACK of response to the ealrier reports to child wlefare about Kaleb's new kids. Follow a child welfare worker around for a few days - it'll open your eyes. We don't pay enough for a foster family to take proper care of kids, can't find enough homes for the kids that need them. So you get what you pay for - those who do take them have other motives than the kids best welfare in mind. On Jan 7, 2008 7:58 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what about the kids that are kidnapped and farmed out to abusive foster homes by their friends in the government (i would presume that these government agents get some kind of kickback, but don't know how the details work)? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
I can pretty well guarantee that's there's not much socialist leaning going on in Oklahoma --- They were exposed to far more religious far right leanings than I perfered. Admission to Yale is not proof that your kids were not exposed to socialist indoctrination. In fact, a large dose of neocommunist leanings probably makes advancement easier in the ivy leagues. (not saying your kids believe in that stuff, but I can guarantee it was preached to them) Here in the Big 10, activism in 'progressive social causes' is a literal requirement for graduation with a degree in education. Those are the people who end up teaching our kids. Mitch. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Having grown up Catholic, attending a Baptist Church with my Wife for years and now being a Presyterian, I think I'm qualified to state that our Government is not near as close minded unyielding as some religions. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 8:44 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost They aren't much different than the government in that regard. probably behooves us to join some sort of fundamentalist christian homeschooling organization for protection against vindictive action from government thugs. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Tom Hargrave wrote: Child Services (DHR in Alabama) is the most over worked government organization in any state. The problem is that the workers have to obtain unrefutable evidence then they have to present the evidence to a Judge the judge has to issue a court order to have the child or children removed. They can't make preemptive strikes on their own personal authority? It seems like the egregious cases get the press, so the outsider is left with the impression that the purpose of CS is to help the worst parents keep their kids while taking the kids away from the good parents. It's all a judgment call, and either way you go you can be wrong. One factor that skews the results is that good parents who genuinely believe gov't has no business messing with their families make very inviting targets, especially if they run up against a civil servant on a power trip. Witness the fellow who was the subject of a mass assault by ten thugs with machine guns because a paramedic thought he was rude and made it a personal mission to teach him a lesson. This was over a kid that everybody agrees had an accidental fall, and exhibited no evidence of lasting damage from the fall. http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59566 Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
They can based on observations but the conditions must be absolutely horrible undisputable. A court order is much safer because a judge is making a decision based on available evidence. This keeps the case worker isolated protected. Tom'www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 10:39 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost Tom Hargrave wrote: Child Services (DHR in Alabama) is the most over worked government organization in any state. The problem is that the workers have to obtain unrefutable evidence then they have to present the evidence to a Judge the judge has to issue a court order to have the child or children removed. They can't make preemptive strikes on their own personal authority? It seems like the egregious cases get the press, so the outsider is left with the impression that the purpose of CS is to help the worst parents keep their kids while taking the kids away from the good parents. It's all a judgment call, and either way you go you can be wrong. One factor that skews the results is that good parents who genuinely believe gov't has no business messing with their families make very inviting targets, especially if they run up against a civil servant on a power trip. Witness the fellow who was the subject of a mass assault by ten thugs with machine guns because a paramedic thought he was rude and made it a personal mission to teach him a lesson. This was over a kid that everybody agrees had an accidental fall, and exhibited no evidence of lasting damage from the fall. http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59566 Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
