Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles
At 01:37 PM 10/26/2006, Tom Potter wrote: I never really thought about it before, but it sure makes sense upon reflection. Those little pointy bullets probably would not work well jammed up against another center fire cartridge-- Except, just for the record, the Hornady folks have developed a bullet they say will work. http.//www.hornady.com/story.php?s=198Still looks scary to me. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV It is the duty of the old to lie to the young.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles
guess the lesson is that you need a mauser On 10/26/06, Kris Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 01:37 PM 10/26/2006, Tom Potter wrote: I never really thought about it before, but it sure makes sense upon reflection. Those little pointy bullets probably would not work well jammed up against another center fire cartridge-- Except, just for the record, the Hornady folks have developed a bullet they say will work. http.//www.hornady.com/story.php?s=198Still looks scary to me. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV It is the duty of the old to lie to the young. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles
It was released in 1894 so the West was essentially won although by then although there continued to be minor skirmishes - Poncho Via (sp?) for one and I believe Teddy Roosevelt used some during the San Juan unpleasantness although the mod 1903 bolt action was the standard USA issue. Some powers that (used to) be believed soldiers would waste ammo if given the means to lay down a lot of lead! The opposite is preferable, of course. Anyway, - the Mod. 94 is the last iteration of the Winchester Level action - the same design continued to be produced until the early 90s although Win modified it somewhat to attract new customers. I have one called Ranger in 30-30 which is the same as the old Mod. 94 except for lacking the hooded front sight and having slightly shorter barrel. Similar mods were released occassional during the years since 1894. At least that's how I remember it without having to resort to the history books -- The Winchester factory in Conn. recently closed its doors for good it appears. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:05 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles. was Kettle, pot, black,this is getting old real quick So, where does the Winchester 94 fit in the scheme of things historical? On 10/25/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1873 winchester repeating rifles. the guns that won the west. when the james-younger gang went to northfield, MN, to rob the bank, the locals met them with 1873 winchesters. guess who won that fight? sadly, lever action cavalry guns are no longer made under the winchester name. the tradition is hard to kill, though, and many continue to make them, most notably Marlin. lightweight, easy handling and very fast for their time (but not fast for today, so don't take your lever gun to shoot it out against gang bangers with full auto AK-47s), they remain today a very useful brush gun and are as good as anything at all inside of 100 yards. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/496 - Release Date: 10/24/2006
Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles
yes, closed doors. there are lots of efforts to find someone to take over, so there is some hope. the 94 was a john browning design and would be the lever action we would generally have the greatest familiarity with. it's a sweet gun, but you find most of them in 30-30, which is just not that interesting a cartridge for me. the gun is of such worth that it was produced up until the factory closed its doors a few months ago. so many of brownings guns are as useful today as they day they were first produced. i mean, is there really a better pistol than the 1911? On 10/25/06, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was released in 1894 so the West was essentially won although by then although there continued to be minor skirmishes - Poncho Via (sp?) for one and I believe Teddy Roosevelt used some during the San Juan unpleasantness although the mod 1903 bolt action was the standard USA issue. Some powers that (used to) be believed soldiers would waste ammo if given the means to lay down a lot of lead! The opposite is preferable, of course. Anyway, - the Mod. 94 is the last iteration of the Winchester Level action - the same design continued to be produced until the early 90s although Win modified it somewhat to attract new customers. I have one called Ranger in 30-30 which is the same as the old Mod. 94 except for lacking the hooded front sight and having slightly shorter barrel. Similar mods were released occassional during the years since 1894. At least that's how I remember it without having to resort to the history books -- The Winchester factory in Conn. recently closed its doors for good it appears. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:05 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles. was Kettle, pot, black,this is getting old real quick So, where does the Winchester 94 fit in the scheme of things historical? On 10/25/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1873 winchester repeating rifles. the guns that won the west. when the james-younger gang went to northfield, MN, to rob the bank, the locals met them with 1873 winchesters. guess who won that fight? sadly, lever action cavalry guns are no longer made under the winchester name. the tradition is hard to kill, though, and many continue to make them, most notably Marlin. lightweight, easy handling and very fast for their time (but not fast for today, so don't take your lever gun to shoot it out against gang bangers with full auto AK-47s), they remain today a very useful brush gun and are as good as anything at all inside of 100 yards. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/496 - Release Date: 10/24/2006 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles
oh no, not another gun thread... Hendrik who is taking the piss - Original Message - From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles It was released in 1894 so the West was essentially won although by then although there continued to be minor skirmishes - Poncho Via (sp?) for one and I believe Teddy Roosevelt used some during the San Juan unpleasantness although the mod 1903 bolt action was the standard USA issue. Some powers that (used to) be believed soldiers would waste ammo if given the means to lay down a lot of lead! The opposite is preferable, of course. Anyway, - the Mod. 94 is the last iteration of the Winchester Level action - the same design continued to be produced until the early 90s although Win modified it somewhat to attract new customers. I have one called Ranger in 30-30 which is the same as the old Mod. 94 except for lacking the hooded front sight and having slightly shorter barrel. Similar mods were released occassional during the years since 1894. At least that's how I remember it without having to resort to the history books -- The Winchester factory in Conn. recently closed its doors for good it appears. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:05 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles. was Kettle, pot, black,this is getting old real quick So, where does the Winchester 94 fit in the scheme of things historical? On 10/25/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1873 winchester repeating rifles. the guns that won the west. when the james-younger gang went to northfield, MN, to rob the bank, the locals met them with 1873 winchesters. guess who won that fight? sadly, lever action cavalry guns are no longer made under the winchester name. the tradition is hard to kill, though, and many continue to make them, most notably Marlin. lightweight, easy handling and very fast for their time (but not fast for today, so don't take your lever gun to shoot it out against gang bangers with full auto AK-47s), they remain today a very useful brush gun and are as good as anything at all inside of 100 yards. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/496 - Release Date: 10/24/2006 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/497 - Release Date: 25/10/2006
Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles
yeah, i don't know. it's all one continuum to me. cars, guns, computers, watches, futbol. just sort of flows, man. and i don't even do drugs! On 10/25/06, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh no, not another gun thread... Hendrik who is taking the piss - Original Message - From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles It was released in 1894 so the West was essentially won although by then although there continued to be minor skirmishes - Poncho Via (sp?) for one and I believe Teddy Roosevelt used some during the San Juan unpleasantness although the mod 1903 bolt action was the standard USA issue. Some powers that (used to) be believed soldiers would waste ammo if given the means to lay down a lot of lead! The opposite is preferable, of course. Anyway, - the Mod. 94 is the last iteration of the Winchester Level action - the same design continued to be produced until the early 90s although Win modified it somewhat to attract new customers. I have one called Ranger in 30-30 which is the same as the old Mod. 94 except for lacking the hooded front sight and having slightly shorter barrel. Similar mods were released occassional during the years since 1894. At least that's how I remember it without having to resort to the history books -- The Winchester factory in Conn. recently closed its doors for good it appears. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:05 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles. was Kettle, pot, black,this is getting old real quick So, where does the Winchester 94 fit in the scheme of things historical? On 10/25/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1873 winchester repeating rifles. the guns that won the west. when the james-younger gang went to northfield, MN, to rob the bank, the locals met them with 1873 winchesters. guess who won that fight? sadly, lever action cavalry guns are no longer made under the winchester name. the tradition is hard to kill, though, and many continue to make them, most notably Marlin. lightweight, easy handling and very fast for their time (but not fast for today, so don't take your lever gun to shoot it out against gang bangers with full auto AK-47s), they remain today a very useful brush gun and are as good as anything at all inside of 100 yards. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/496 - Release Date: 10/24/2006 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/497 - Release Date: 25/10/2006 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles
the 94 was a john browning design and would be the lever action we would generally have the greatest familiarity with. it's a sweet gun, but you find most of them in 30-30, which is just not that interesting a cartridge for me. I have one in .44 mag. I like .44 mag, don't ask me why. I prefer the medium loads, not the hot stuff. If I was after deer, the 30-30 would be a better choice (in 94's) I'm sure. I don't have one of those, but I do have a pot-gun in 45-70/.22 that's probably good for taking rabbit-chasing deer. Get the rabbit for lunch, and the deer for dinner! (I don't hunt, however. Only old Mercedes.) useful today as they day they were first produced. i mean, is there really a better pistol than the 1911? Sure. Depends on your purpose, of course. For swimming armed in salt water it's hard to beat a Glock, for example. For pure esthetics, though, the 1911 is pretty sweet. Your best bet is to own one of everything! -- Jim
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Gary, Thought the 1911 was made by Colt.. Mike - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles yes, closed doors. there are lots of efforts to find someone to take over, so there is some hope. the 94 was a john browning design and would be the lever action we would generally have the greatest familiarity with. it's a sweet gun, but you find most of them in 30-30, which is just not that interesting a cartridge for me. the gun is of such worth that it was produced up until the factory closed its doors a few months ago. so many of brownings guns are as useful today as they day they were first produced. i mean, is there really a better pistol than the 1911? On 10/25/06, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was released in 1894 so the West was essentially won although by then although there continued to be minor skirmishes - Poncho Via (sp?) for one and I believe Teddy Roosevelt used some during the San Juan unpleasantness although the mod 1903 bolt action was the standard USA issue. Some powers that (used to) be believed soldiers would waste ammo if given the means to lay down a lot of lead! The opposite is preferable, of course. Anyway, - the Mod. 94 is the last iteration of the Winchester Level action - the same design continued to be produced until the early 90s although Win modified it somewhat to attract new customers. I have one called Ranger in 30-30 which is the same as the old Mod. 94 except for lacking the hooded front sight and having slightly shorter barrel. Similar mods were released occassional during the years since 1894. At least that's how I remember it without having to resort to the history books -- The Winchester factory in Conn. recently closed its doors for good it appears. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:05 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles. was Kettle, pot, black,this is getting old real quick So, where does the Winchester 94 fit in the scheme of things historical? On 10/25/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1873 winchester repeating rifles. the guns that won the west. when the james-younger gang went to northfield, MN, to rob the bank, the locals met them with 1873 winchesters. guess who won that fight? sadly, lever action cavalry guns are no longer made under the winchester name. the tradition is hard to kill, though, and many continue to make them, most notably Marlin. lightweight, easy handling and very fast for their time (but not fast for today, so don't take your lever gun to shoot it out against gang bangers with full auto AK-47s), they remain today a very useful brush gun and are as good as anything at all inside of 100 yards. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/496 - Release Date: 10/24/2006 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles
Of all the guns my Dad owns there are only 3 I really care about and they're all Winchester lever guns. 2 model 94s, one is serial number 5,xxx in 38-55, fully octagonal barrel, no hood on the front sight. The other is later but has the very rare semi-octagonal barrel its chambered in 32 Winchester. The third rifle is a model 71 in .348 Winchester that I used when I shot a moose in '99. -Curt Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:15:44 -0400 From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed yes, closed doors. there are lots of efforts to find someone to take over, so there is some hope. the 94 was a john browning design and would be the lever action we would generally have the greatest familiarity with. it's a sweet gun, but you find most of them in 30-30, which is just not that interesting a cartridge for me. the gun is of such worth that it was produced up until the factory closed its doors a few months ago. so many of brownings guns are as useful today as they day they were first produced. i mean, is there really a better pistol than the 1911? - Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Oct 26 13:25:50 2006 Received: from smtp2.williams.com ([151.142.221.60]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gd5F0-0003Bd-QJ for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:25:50 + Received: from unknown (HELO wmshoubh01.WILLIAMS.COM) ([172.31.6.11]) by smtp2.williams.com with ESMTP; 26 Oct 2006 08:25:45 -0500 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AwAAA+oAAAPsAAAD7g== X-IronPort-AV: i=4.09,361,1157346000; d=scan'208; a=53666450:sNHT36145332 Received: from wmshoumb01.WILLIAMS.COM ([172.31.41.244]) by wmshoubh01.WILLIAMS.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 08:25:45 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 08:25:44 -0500 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [MBZ] Fw: Old Mercedes Spotted Thread-Index: Acb5AVS4oA2v3ihMTASdigrNpwKCBgAANFGw From: Potter, Tom E [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2006 13:25:45.0263 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E0873F0:01C6F902] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: Old Mercedes Spotted X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:25:51 - THAT is a beautiful vehicle. If only... Tom Potter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Massmann Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 6:56 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Fw: Old Mercedes Spotted - Original Message -=20 From: Robert Massmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 2:03 PM Subject: Old Mercedes Spotted Spotted this in Wilmington, Ohio yesturday. Photo attached. Hopefully Kaleb will let it be posted. My guess it is a mid fifties 300Sc Caborlet. Not quite sure what such a nice car is doing sitting outside. Regards, Robert Massmann Wilmington, Ohio 87 190D 2.5 Turbo 205K? 85 300CD 327K 82 300D 327K 81 VW Rabbit Pickup 210K (Diesel) =20
Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles
My dad had a lever action Winchester 38-40 for a while. I remember it having an octagonal barrel, and it used a short cartridge. It was nice, but we could not use it for hunting in the lowlands of NC. Tom Potter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 8:23 AM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles Of all the guns my Dad owns there are only 3 I really care about and they're all Winchester lever guns. 2 model 94s, one is serial number 5,xxx in 38-55, fully octagonal barrel, no hood on the front sight. The other is later but has the very rare semi-octagonal barrel its chambered in 32 Winchester. The third rifle is a model 71 in .348 Winchester that I used when I shot a moose in '99. -Curt Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:15:44 -0400 From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed yes, closed doors. there are lots of efforts to find someone to take over, so there is some hope. the 94 was a john browning design and would be the lever action we would generally have the greatest familiarity with. it's a sweet gun, but you find most of them in 30-30, which is just not that interesting a cartridge for me. the gun is of such worth that it was produced up until the factory closed its doors a few months ago. so many of brownings guns are as useful today as they day they were first produced. i mean, is there really a better pistol than the 1911? - Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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1911 is made my many companies, originally and most famously colt. It is a John Browning design. On 10/26/06, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary, Thought the 1911 was made by Colt.. Mike - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles yes, closed doors. there are lots of efforts to find someone to take over, so there is some hope. the 94 was a john browning design and would be the lever action we would generally have the greatest familiarity with. it's a sweet gun, but you find most of them in 30-30, which is just not that interesting a cartridge for me. the gun is of such worth that it was produced up until the factory closed its doors a few months ago. so many of brownings guns are as useful today as they day they were first produced. i mean, is there really a better pistol than the 1911? On 10/25/06, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was released in 1894 so the West was essentially won although by then although there continued to be minor skirmishes - Poncho Via (sp?) for one and I believe Teddy Roosevelt used some during the San Juan unpleasantness although the mod 1903 bolt action was the standard USA issue. Some powers that (used to) be believed soldiers would waste ammo if given the means to lay down a lot of lead! The opposite is preferable, of course. Anyway, - the Mod. 94 is the last iteration of the Winchester Level action - the same design continued to be produced until the early 90s although Win modified it somewhat to attract new customers. I have one called Ranger in 30-30 which is the same as the old Mod. 94 except for lacking the hooded front sight and having slightly shorter barrel. Similar mods were released occassional during the years since 1894. At least that's how I remember it without having to resort to the history books -- The Winchester factory in Conn. recently closed its doors for good it appears. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:05 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles. was Kettle, pot, black,this is getting old real quick So, where does the Winchester 94 fit in the scheme of things historical? On 10/25/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1873 winchester repeating rifles. the guns that won the west. when the james-younger gang went to northfield, MN, to rob the bank, the locals met them with 1873 winchesters. guess who won that fight? sadly, lever action cavalry guns are no longer made under the winchester name. the tradition is hard to kill, though, and many continue to make them, most notably Marlin. lightweight, easy handling and very fast for their time (but not fast for today, so don't take your lever gun to shoot it out against gang bangers with full auto AK-47s), they remain today a very useful brush gun and are as good as anything at all inside of 100 yards. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/496 - Release Date: 10/24/2006 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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yes, kinda like. while there is a company called browning that bears his name, nearly all browning designs were not sold under the browning name. comparisons to the elder porsche are appropriate. On 10/26/06, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kinda like Dr. Ferdinand Porshe designed cars for several companies, including MB At 08:46 AM 10/26/2006, you wrote: 1911 is made my many companies, originally and most famously colt. It is a John Browning design. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I didn't think the 94 was chambered in pistol cartridges like the 38-40 although it may have been. The 38-55 is a much longer cartridge although it uses the same diameter bullets. It was good on most large game out to about 100 yards although its a bit small for moose. It was also quite popular as a paper puncher out to 200 yards because of its flat tradjectory. -Curt Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 08:29:09 -0500 From: Potter, Tom E [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My dad had a lever action Winchester 38-40 for a while. I remember it having an octagonal barrel, and it used a short cartridge. It was nice, but we could not use it for hunting in the lowlands of NC. Tom Potter - Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. - Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Oct 26 15:21:08 2006 Received: from web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.33]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gd72Z-0007qP-PU for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:21:08 + Received: (qmail 66053 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Oct 2006 15:21:02 - Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from [198.51.119.130] by web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 08:21:02 PDT Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 08:21:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9.cp1 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brake booster woes X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:21:08 - Yup, Rusty got me a better deal on injector lines than the dealer could a couple weeks ago. I hate to call just to banter around questions like this so I pose them here first. I need injector line clips too, Fred sent me pictures of his having 5 clips, my car had 1 and it was broken... Guess thats why the line broke. So $42.50 gets me the hose, I presume theres a grommet too or is it included? I imagine its a tight fit on the line. -Curt Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 09:09:30 -0600 From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brake booster woes To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:45:25 -0400 Rusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's $42.50 and not on my site. I.e., call him at (800) 741-5252 to order. Craig - Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2ยข/min or less. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Oct 26 15:26:53 2006 Received: from 70-184-20-138.atlasok.com ([70.184.20.138] helo=[192.168.0.100]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Gd788-00080i-Ie; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:26:52 + Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:26:57 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: [MBZ] heading out X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:26:53 - Heading out to the RustyQ, be back Monday. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore
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I am not sure whether it was a 94 or not. I remember the bullets being flat on the end--not pointed. Tom Potter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:17 AM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles I didn't think the 94 was chambered in pistol cartridges like the 38-40 although it may have been. The 38-55 is a much longer cartridge although it uses the same diameter bullets. It was good on most large game out to about 100 yards although its a bit small for moose. It was also quite popular as a paper puncher out to 200 yards because of its flat tradjectory. -Curt Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 08:29:09 -0500 From: Potter, Tom E [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My dad had a lever action Winchester 38-40 for a while. I remember it having an octagonal barrel, and it used a short cartridge. It was nice, but we could not use it for hunting in the lowlands of NC. Tom Potter - Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. - Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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AH.That clears it up. Brilliant man that Mr. Browning. Mike - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles 1911 is made my many companies, originally and most famously colt. It is a John Browning design. On 10/26/06, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary, Thought the 1911 was made by Colt.. Mike - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles yes, closed doors. there are lots of efforts to find someone to take over, so there is some hope. the 94 was a john browning design and would be the lever action we would generally have the greatest familiarity with. it's a sweet gun, but you find most of them in 30-30, which is just not that interesting a cartridge for me. the gun is of such worth that it was produced up until the factory closed its doors a few months ago. so many of brownings guns are as useful today as they day they were first produced. i mean, is there really a better pistol than the 1911? On 10/25/06, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was released in 1894 so the West was essentially won although by then although there continued to be minor skirmishes - Poncho Via (sp?) for one and I believe Teddy Roosevelt used some during the San Juan unpleasantness although the mod 1903 bolt action was the standard USA issue. Some powers that (used to) be believed soldiers would waste ammo if given the means to lay down a lot of lead! The opposite is preferable, of course. Anyway, - the Mod. 94 is the last iteration of the Winchester Level action - the same design continued to be produced until the early 90s although Win modified it somewhat to attract new customers. I have one called Ranger in 30-30 which is the same as the old Mod. 94 except for lacking the hooded front sight and having slightly shorter barrel. Similar mods were released occassional during the years since 1894. At least that's how I remember it without having to resort to the history books -- The Winchester factory in Conn. recently closed its doors for good it appears. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:05 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles. was Kettle, pot, black,this is getting old real quick So, where does the Winchester 94 fit in the scheme of things historical? On 10/25/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1873 winchester repeating rifles. the guns that won the west. when the james-younger gang went to northfield, MN, to rob the bank, the locals met them with 1873 winchesters. guess who won that fight? sadly, lever action cavalry guns are no longer made under the winchester name. the tradition is hard to kill, though, and many continue to make them, most notably Marlin. lightweight, easy handling and very fast for their time (but not fast for today, so don't take your lever gun to shoot it out against gang bangers with full auto AK-47s), they remain today a very useful brush gun and are as good as anything at all inside of 100 yards. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/496 - Release Date: 10/24/2006 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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lever actions can't feed spitzer type bullets. the paradigm for lever actions are flat and kinda stumpy up against flat and stumpy. that's why you see all the lever actions in 30-30 and not 30 '06. On 10/26/06, Potter, Tom E [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not sure whether it was a 94 or not. I remember the bullets being flat on the end--not pointed. Tom Potter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:17 AM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles I didn't think the 94 was chambered in pistol cartridges like the 38-40 although it may have been. The 38-55 is a much longer cartridge although it uses the same diameter bullets. It was good on most large game out to about 100 yards although its a bit small for moose. It was also quite popular as a paper puncher out to 200 yards because of its flat tradjectory. -Curt Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 08:29:09 -0500 From: Potter, Tom E [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My dad had a lever action Winchester 38-40 for a while. I remember it having an octagonal barrel, and it used a short cartridge. It was nice, but we could not use it for hunting in the lowlands of NC. Tom Potter - Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. - Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I never really thought about it before, but it sure makes sense upon reflection. Those little pointy bullets probably would not work well jammed up against another center fire cartridge--or maybe they would work too well. I learn something every day. Tom Potter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 11:25 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles lever actions can't feed spitzer type bullets. the paradigm for lever actions are flat and kinda stumpy up against flat and stumpy. that's why you see all the lever actions in 30-30 and not 30 '06. On 10/26/06, Potter, Tom E [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not sure whether it was a 94 or not. I remember the bullets being flat on the end--not pointed. Tom Potter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:17 AM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles I didn't think the 94 was chambered in pistol cartridges like the 38-40 although it may have been. The 38-55 is a much longer cartridge although it uses the same diameter bullets. It was good on most large game out to about 100 yards although its a bit small for moose. It was also quite popular as a paper puncher out to 200 yards because of its flat tradjectory. -Curt Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 08:29:09 -0500 From: Potter, Tom E [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My dad had a lever action Winchester 38-40 for a while. I remember it having an octagonal barrel, and it used a short cartridge. It was nice, but we could not use it for hunting in the lowlands of NC. Tom Potter - Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. - Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thats because the cartridge was centerfire and the rifle probably had tubular magazine. If you used pointed bullets in a tubular mag its quite possible one of the bullets would strike the primer of the cartridge in front of it hard enough to set it off. That'd be as they say bad. So almost all lever guns used flat bullets. The exception I can think of offhand was the Savage model 99 which used a rotary magazine. I've got one I inherited from my Grandfather chambered in .300 Savage. IIRC it was reputed to be the smoothest levergun ever. -Curt Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:29:00 -0500 From: Potter, Tom E [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am not sure whether it was a 94 or not. I remember the bullets being flat on the end--not pointed. Tom Potter - Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Oct 26 17:47:10 2006 Received: from web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.41]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gd9Jr-0004nG-LT for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:47:10 + Received: (qmail 11863 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Oct 2006 17:47:01 - Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from [198.51.119.152] by web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:47:01 PDT Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:47:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9.cp1 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:47:10 - Too broad a statement I think... Witness the Savage 99 like I mentioned before. .300 Savage is alot more like 30.06 than 30-30. The bullet thing is alot more about the magazine than the action. I think what you mean is that a lever gun's action favors a rimmed cartridge like 30-30 vs a rimless like 30.06. Thats true but I think mostly because of the way the extractors worked on older lever guns which was partly because of metalurgy. Most old lever guns throw the case straight up. Easy to design, and reliable, bad if you want a scope and difficult to do with a rimless cartridge. Newer guns side eject, more difficult to design and implement, better for scopes and makes use of a rimless case much easier. -Curt Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:24:35 -0400 From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed lever actions can't feed spitzer type bullets. the paradigm for lever actions are flat and kinda stumpy up against flat and stumpy. that's why you see all the lever actions in 30-30 and not 30 '06. - All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Oct 26 17:47:45 2006 Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com ([64.233.162.207]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gd9KT-0004ot-Ak for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:47:45 + Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id r28so380091nza for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:47:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.76.9 with SMTP id d9mr715295pyl; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:47:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?71.11.136.111? ( [71.11.136.111]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 7sm3769694nzo.2006.10.26.10.47.39; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:47:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:47:11 -0500 From: tom savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: Old Mercedes Spotted X-BeenThere
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There were 2 or three Brownings who designed firearms. In Nauvoo, IL is the original Browning cabin, as part of the LDS tour of Nauvoo. Yep, Browning was a member of what is now known as the LDS church. At 10:43 AM 10/26/2006, you wrote: AH.That clears it up. Brilliant man that Mr. Browning. Mike - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles 1911 is made my many companies, originally and most famously colt. It is a John Browning design. On 10/26/06, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary, Thought the 1911 was made by Colt.. Mike - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles yes, closed doors. there are lots of efforts to find someone to take over, so there is some hope. the 94 was a john browning design and would be the lever action we would generally have the greatest familiarity with. it's a sweet gun, but you find most of them in 30-30, which is just not that interesting a cartridge for me. the gun is of such worth that it was produced up until the factory closed its doors a few months ago. so many of brownings guns are as useful today as they day they were first produced. i mean, is there really a better pistol than the 1911? On 10/25/06, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was released in 1894 so the West was essentially won although by then although there continued to be minor skirmishes - Poncho Via (sp?) for one and I believe Teddy Roosevelt used some during the San Juan unpleasantness although the mod 1903 bolt action was the standard USA issue. Some powers that (used to) be believed soldiers would waste ammo if given the means to lay down a lot of lead! The opposite is preferable, of course. Anyway, - the Mod. 94 is the last iteration of the Winchester Level action - the same design continued to be produced until the early 90s although Win modified it somewhat to attract new customers. I have one called Ranger in 30-30 which is the same as the old Mod. 94 except for lacking the hooded front sight and having slightly shorter barrel. Similar mods were released occassional during the years since 1894. At least that's how I remember it without having to resort to the history books -- The Winchester factory in Conn. recently closed its doors for good it appears. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:05 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles. was Kettle, pot, black,this is getting old real quick So, where does the Winchester 94 fit in the scheme of things historical? On 10/25/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1873 winchester repeating rifles. the guns that won the west. when the james-younger gang went to northfield, MN, to rob the bank, the locals met them with 1873 winchesters. guess who won that fight? sadly, lever action cavalry guns are no longer made under the winchester name. the tradition is hard to kill, though, and many continue to make them, most notably Marlin. lightweight, easy handling and very fast for their time (but not fast for today, so don't take your lever gun to shoot it out against gang bangers with full auto AK-47s), they remain today a very useful brush gun and are as good as anything at all inside of 100 yards. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/496 - Release Date: 10/24/2006 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http
[MBZ] OT - Old Rifles. was Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
So, where does the Winchester 94 fit in the scheme of things historical? On 10/25/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1873 winchester repeating rifles. the guns that won the west. when the james-younger gang went to northfield, MN, to rob the bank, the locals met them with 1873 winchesters. guess who won that fight? sadly, lever action cavalry guns are no longer made under the winchester name. the tradition is hard to kill, though, and many continue to make them, most notably Marlin. lightweight, easy handling and very fast for their time (but not fast for today, so don't take your lever gun to shoot it out against gang bangers with full auto AK-47s), they remain today a very useful brush gun and are as good as anything at all inside of 100 yards. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
