Re: [MBZ] OT - outsourcing
'Greatly enjoyed the easy cross-border interaction when we lived near Sault Ste. Marie, MI, '71 - '75. 'Even learned to enjoy soccer The Soo, ON. Wilton - Original Message - From: "E M" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - outsourcing Thank you Wilton, it's easy being friends with neighbours as good as you! There is a great appreciation for America here, not only as a neighbour, but also for all the past and continued support she gives to us. It is a shame that this appreciation, and acknowledgment for all the US has done for us, isn't better conveyed by our media! Ask the average man on the street, and the respect for America is often much greater than our news would often lead you to believe! Ed 300E On 11 February 2011 13:52, WILTON wrote: And we love Canada! What a pity all nations can't seem to "get along with" each other and enjoy each other as much as we do. Thank for for being our friends. Wilton - Original Message - From: "E M" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - outsourcing For me, I apply it to pretty much everything I can, and it's becoming harder and harder to do all the time. Example, I went to buy some dental floss sticks tonight. Anything I eat or goes in my mouth, I always go with a known name, thinking (wrongly) that such companies would still wish to manufacture in the US, or some other developed nation. Everything on the shelf, and I mean, every product was made in China! Come on America, has your industry got to the point where you can't string a piece of dental floss over a plastic toothpick?? And I don't buy all this crap about it can be made cheaper offshore. I looked at some collared t-shirts for women the other day. Brand name, made in China, $68.00 !!! Somebody please tell me with a straight face, you couldn't make a collared t-shirt, pay an America a decent wage to stitch it together, with materials sourced domestically, for less than $68.00, and still make money faster than you could spend it. I love America, I think it's one of the best countries in the world, but I think she needs to have a good look at the road she's going down, and get her act together, while she's still in a position to do so! Every time you reach for your wallet, demand to get what you want, from where you want it, nothing less. Ed 300E (not an American, but an admirer) On 10 February 2011 22:26, Mountain Man wrote: Ed wrote: > If I hired an American lawyer, and I was paying him American wages, > guess > who I'd want to be doing the work. If I found out some dude over in > Pakistan was being fed the work by way of outsourcing, our working > relationship would come to an end in quite a hurry. Why is this analysis not applied to steelworkers, or other manufacturing positions? Same dope, same gig, no? I picture USA as a bunch of old fiddley diddleys all in rocking chairs being fed intravenously managed by some computer jock in Lahore. Ain't life in USA wunnerful... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - outsourcing
Thank you Wilton, it's easy being friends with neighbours as good as you! There is a great appreciation for America here, not only as a neighbour, but also for all the past and continued support she gives to us. It is a shame that this appreciation, and acknowledgment for all the US has done for us, isn't better conveyed by our media! Ask the average man on the street, and the respect for America is often much greater than our news would often lead you to believe! Ed 300E On 11 February 2011 13:52, WILTON wrote: > And we love Canada! What a pity all nations can't seem to "get along with" > each other and enjoy each other as much as we do. Thank for for being our > friends. > > Wilton > > - Original Message - From: "E M" > > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 10:51 PM > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - outsourcing > > > For me, I apply it to pretty much everything I can, and it's becoming >> harder >> and harder to do all the time. Example, I went to buy some dental floss >> sticks tonight. Anything I eat or goes in my mouth, I always go with a >> known name, thinking (wrongly) that such companies would still wish to >> manufacture in the US, or some other developed nation. Everything on the >> shelf, and I mean, every product was made in China! Come on America, has >> your industry got to the point where you can't string a piece of dental >> floss over a plastic toothpick?? >> >> And I don't buy all this crap about it can be made cheaper offshore. I >> looked at some collared t-shirts for women the other day. Brand name, >> made >> in China, $68.00 !!! Somebody please tell me with a straight face, you >> couldn't make a collared t-shirt, pay an America a decent wage to stitch >> it >> together, with materials sourced domestically, for less than $68.00, and >> still make money faster than you could spend it. >> >> I love America, I think it's one of the best countries in the world, but I >> think she needs to have a good look at the road she's going down, and get >> her act together, while she's still in a position to do so! Every time >> you >> reach for your wallet, demand to get what you want, from where you want >> it, >> nothing less. >> >> Ed >> 300E (not an American, but an admirer) >> >> On 10 February 2011 22:26, Mountain Man wrote: >> >> Ed wrote: >>> > If I hired an American lawyer, and I was paying him American wages, > >>> guess >>> > who I'd want to be doing the work. If I found out some dude over in >>> > Pakistan was being fed the work by way of outsourcing, our working >>> > relationship would come to an end in quite a hurry. >>> >>> Why is this analysis not applied to steelworkers, or other >>> manufacturing positions? >>> Same dope, same gig, no? >>> I picture USA as a bunch of old fiddley diddleys all in rocking chairs >>> being fed intravenously managed by some computer jock in Lahore. >>> Ain't life in USA wunnerful... >>> mao >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mitch wrote: > If getting away alive is the object, you're pretty f***ing stupid if you > cooperate with somebody who's threatening to make you unalive. So, to cooperate does *not* de-fuse the situation? I believe this is the doctrine that we have been indoctrinated in, no? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'd think we can overlook the F word this time, being that it's used to stress the value of life. Walt On Feb 11, 2011 7:07 PM, "Mitch Haley" wrote: > Mitch Haley wrote: >> >> If getting away alive is the object, you're pretty effing stupid if you >> cooperate with somebody who's threatening to make you unalive. > > Oops, wrong list. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - outsourcing
Mitch Haley wrote: If getting away alive is the object, you're pretty effing stupid if you cooperate with somebody who's threatening to make you unalive. Oops, wrong list. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - outsourcing
Mountain Man wrote: The objective is to let the furor of the moment die and all walk away alive, no? In which case, it does not seem a *bad* policy, no? If getting away alive is the object, you're pretty fucking stupid if you cooperate with somebody who's threatening to make you unalive. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - outsourcing
Name brands might not be safe anymore; our pediatrician has instructed us (specifically) to get generic liquid childrens' ibuprofen and acetaminophen (paracetamol in some parts of the world) -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Feb 10, 2011, at 22:51, E M wrote: > For me, I apply it to pretty much everything I can, and it's becoming harder > and harder to do all the time. Example, I went to buy some dental floss > sticks tonight. Anything I eat or goes in my mouth, I always go with a > known name, thinking (wrongly) that such companies would still wish to > manufacture in the US, or some other developed nation. Everything on the > shelf, and I mean, every product was made in China! Come on America, has > your industry got to the point where you can't string a piece of dental > floss over a plastic toothpick?? > > And I don't buy all this crap about it can be made cheaper offshore. I > looked at some collared t-shirts for women the other day. Brand name, made > in China, $68.00 !!! Somebody please tell me with a straight face, you > couldn't make a collared t-shirt, pay an America a decent wage to stitch it > together, with materials sourced domestically, for less than $68.00, and > still make money faster than you could spend it. > > I love America, I think it's one of the best countries in the world, but I > think she needs to have a good look at the road she's going down, and get > her act together, while she's still in a position to do so! Every time you > reach for your wallet, demand to get what you want, from where you want it, > nothing less. > > Ed > 300E (not an American, but an admirer) > > On 10 February 2011 22:26, Mountain Man wrote: > >> Ed wrote: >>> If I hired an American lawyer, and I was paying him American wages, guess >>> who I'd want to be doing the work. If I found out some dude over in >>> Pakistan was being fed the work by way of outsourcing, our working >>> relationship would come to an end in quite a hurry. >> >> Why is this analysis not applied to steelworkers, or other >> manufacturing positions? >> Same dope, same gig, no? >> I picture USA as a bunch of old fiddley diddleys all in rocking chairs >> being fed intravenously managed by some computer jock in Lahore. >> Ain't life in USA wunnerful... >> mao >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mitch wrote: > Because your employer will fire you if you don't just stand there and wait > for the felon to shoot you dead. The objective is to let the furor of the moment die and all walk away alive, no? In which case, it does not seem a *bad* policy, no? The case you put up - I can see a logical objection to the policy, but the story did not put that element up. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mountain Man wrote: --R wrote: Until you foil a robbery by grabbing the perp instead of running. That corporate policy is *not* that bad, really. Follow through on the logic? Why risk lives over a $200 netbook? Because your employer will fire you if you don't just stand there and wait for the felon to shoot you dead. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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--R wrote: > Until you foil a robbery by grabbing the perp instead of running. That corporate policy is *not* that bad, really. Follow through on the logic? Why risk lives over a $200 netbook? When and where did you ever learn that a person's life is worth less than any stuff that someone might steal? What does the cost of stuff need to be such that you might risk someone else's life in exchange? An example - my son flies lear35 ambulance and they bid on a job recently flying some guy in jail from Californicate to NC - what??!! With guards, two crews - at who's cost? While my attitude defies my previous logic... I am not ready to stuff the jail guy, but I would refuse personally. The cost to do stuff these days exceeds my worth on earth, period. I'm close to being completely outsourced - off the planet. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Until you foil a robbery by grabbing the perp instead of running. --R On 2/11/2011 12:36 PM, R A Bennell wrote: Both you and your lawyer end up working shifts at WalMart as greeters. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hey, for $50+ per hour, I'm in your corner. Randy On 11/02/2011 12:23 PM, E M wrote: My money would be on your discription, probably being closer to how such an outsourcing model would work in the real world. If a lawyer making $500+ per hour can't get his act together and arrive in court prepared, this isn't a lawyer you want in your corner, regardless if he runs to some dude in Australia or China for help. If your lawyer is outsourcing stuff the day before you're due in court, sorry friend, you're probably going down. hee hee Ed 300E On 11 February 2011 12:36, R A Bennell wrote: On 11/02/2011 11:02 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Outsourcing can be a good thing! What if you could gain a time advantage and subsequently win in court (or whatever the market/arena is)? You give your legal team new info at 5:00 p.m. Your lawyer sends it to Australia, where the day is just beginning. They work their normal 8 hour day (which is when you are sleeping, as well as your competition), send it back, so you have a new legal document when you get up at 6 a.m. You approve it, your lawyer presents your side to the Judge at 10:00 a.m., the other side is still trying to get their brief together. Judge gets impatient, other side feels the pressure and screws up, and you win the case. Which side do YOU want to be on? -Max OR Your American lawyer sends it to Australia, where, in an effort to make a quick buck, the Australians send it to China, where some grandmother working in a hut with a dirt floor for $1 per week, works on it with her imperfect English and then sends it back via Australia. Your lawyer back in the States gets it but does not take the time to have a look at it as he is tired from working hard trying to keep up with the neighbors. He swaggers in to Court and hands it to the Judge, who has a look at it and says "what kind of garbage is this? I cannot believe that a person with a law degree could be this incompetent." and throws your case out. Both you and your lawyer end up working shifts at WalMart as greeters. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And we love Canada! What a pity all nations can't seem to "get along with" each other and enjoy each other as much as we do. Thank for for being our friends. Wilton - Original Message - From: "E M" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - outsourcing For me, I apply it to pretty much everything I can, and it's becoming harder and harder to do all the time. Example, I went to buy some dental floss sticks tonight. Anything I eat or goes in my mouth, I always go with a known name, thinking (wrongly) that such companies would still wish to manufacture in the US, or some other developed nation. Everything on the shelf, and I mean, every product was made in China! Come on America, has your industry got to the point where you can't string a piece of dental floss over a plastic toothpick?? And I don't buy all this crap about it can be made cheaper offshore. I looked at some collared t-shirts for women the other day. Brand name, made in China, $68.00 !!! Somebody please tell me with a straight face, you couldn't make a collared t-shirt, pay an America a decent wage to stitch it together, with materials sourced domestically, for less than $68.00, and still make money faster than you could spend it. I love America, I think it's one of the best countries in the world, but I think she needs to have a good look at the road she's going down, and get her act together, while she's still in a position to do so! Every time you reach for your wallet, demand to get what you want, from where you want it, nothing less. Ed 300E (not an American, but an admirer) On 10 February 2011 22:26, Mountain Man wrote: Ed wrote: > If I hired an American lawyer, and I was paying him American wages, > guess > who I'd want to be doing the work. If I found out some dude over in > Pakistan was being fed the work by way of outsourcing, our working > relationship would come to an end in quite a hurry. Why is this analysis not applied to steelworkers, or other manufacturing positions? Same dope, same gig, no? I picture USA as a bunch of old fiddley diddleys all in rocking chairs being fed intravenously managed by some computer jock in Lahore. Ain't life in USA wunnerful... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Let me put it this way, if you were due in court tomorrow, on a big charge, and they told you this was their game plan, would you go for it? I know I wouldn't. I would be asking why all the pissing around at the last minute, but in much more colourful language than that. hee hee Ed 300E On 11 February 2011 12:02, Max Dillon wrote: > Outsourcing can be a good thing! What if you could gain a time advantage > and > subsequently win in court (or whatever the market/arena is)? You give your > legal team new info at 5:00 p.m. Your lawyer sends it to Australia, where > the > day is just beginning. They work their normal 8 hour day (which is when > you are > sleeping, as well as your competition), send it back, so you have a new > legal > document when you get up at 6 a.m. You approve it, your lawyer presents > your > side to the Judge at 10:00 a.m., the other side is still trying to get > their > brief together. Judge gets impatient, other side feels the pressure and > screws > up, and you win the case. > > Which side do YOU want to be on? > > -Max > > > > > > From: E M > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Sent: Thu, February 10, 2011 5:23:58 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - outsourcing > > If I hired an American lawyer, and I was paying him American wages, guess > who I'd want to be doing the work. If I found out some dude over in > Pakistan was being fed the work by way of outsourcing, our working > relationship would come to an end in quite a hurry. > > Ed > 300E > > On 10 February 2011 16:28, R A Bennell wrote: > > > Yesterday afternoon I received an email message from someone in Lahore, > > Pakistan offering to do work for my law office: > > > > "Typing > > > > · Transcription > > > > · Editing > > > > · Formatting > > > > · Diagrams > > > > · Working on Incorporation Documents and Annual Return files > > > > · Drafting Agreements > > > > · Forms as per requirement > > > > · Time Sheet Management > > > > · Drafting PDF into MS Word, MS Excel or other Applications > > > > · Data Entry (QBook, Simply Accounting, etc...)" > > > > > > Cheaply and securely. > > > > > > The computer age is a bit scary. Pretty soon, they will be offering to > haul > > my old car over there for a tuneup and then ship it back, cheaper than > the > > fellow down the block can do it. > > > > Randy > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My money would be on your discription, probably being closer to how such an outsourcing model would work in the real world. If a lawyer making $500+ per hour can't get his act together and arrive in court prepared, this isn't a lawyer you want in your corner, regardless if he runs to some dude in Australia or China for help. If your lawyer is outsourcing stuff the day before you're due in court, sorry friend, you're probably going down. hee hee Ed 300E On 11 February 2011 12:36, R A Bennell wrote: > On 11/02/2011 11:02 AM, Max Dillon wrote: > >> Outsourcing can be a good thing! What if you could gain a time advantage >> and >> subsequently win in court (or whatever the market/arena is)? You give >> your >> legal team new info at 5:00 p.m. Your lawyer sends it to Australia, >> where the >> day is just beginning. They work their normal 8 hour day (which is when >> you are >> sleeping, as well as your competition), send it back, so you have a new >> legal >> document when you get up at 6 a.m. You approve it, your lawyer presents >> your >> side to the Judge at 10:00 a.m., the other side is still trying to get >> their >> brief together. Judge gets impatient, other side feels the pressure and >> screws >> up, and you win the case. >> >> Which side do YOU want to be on? >> >> -Max >> >> >> >> OR > > Your American lawyer sends it to Australia, where, in an effort to make a > quick buck, the Australians send it to China, where some grandmother working > in a hut with a dirt floor for $1 per week, works on it with her imperfect > English and then sends it back via Australia. Your lawyer back in the States > gets it but does not take the time to have a look at it as he is tired from > working hard trying to keep up with the neighbors. He swaggers in to Court > and hands it to the Judge, who has a look at it and says "what kind of > garbage is this? I cannot believe that a person with a law degree could be > this incompetent." and throws your case out. Both you and your lawyer end up > working shifts at WalMart as greeters. > > > Randy > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 11/02/2011 11:02 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Outsourcing can be a good thing! What if you could gain a time advantage and subsequently win in court (or whatever the market/arena is)? You give your legal team new info at 5:00 p.m. Your lawyer sends it to Australia, where the day is just beginning. They work their normal 8 hour day (which is when you are sleeping, as well as your competition), send it back, so you have a new legal document when you get up at 6 a.m. You approve it, your lawyer presents your side to the Judge at 10:00 a.m., the other side is still trying to get their brief together. Judge gets impatient, other side feels the pressure and screws up, and you win the case. Which side do YOU want to be on? -Max OR Your American lawyer sends it to Australia, where, in an effort to make a quick buck, the Australians send it to China, where some grandmother working in a hut with a dirt floor for $1 per week, works on it with her imperfect English and then sends it back via Australia. Your lawyer back in the States gets it but does not take the time to have a look at it as he is tired from working hard trying to keep up with the neighbors. He swaggers in to Court and hands it to the Judge, who has a look at it and says "what kind of garbage is this? I cannot believe that a person with a law degree could be this incompetent." and throws your case out. Both you and your lawyer end up working shifts at WalMart as greeters. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - outsourcing
Outsourcing can be a good thing! What if you could gain a time advantage and subsequently win in court (or whatever the market/arena is)? You give your legal team new info at 5:00 p.m. Your lawyer sends it to Australia, where the day is just beginning. They work their normal 8 hour day (which is when you are sleeping, as well as your competition), send it back, so you have a new legal document when you get up at 6 a.m. You approve it, your lawyer presents your side to the Judge at 10:00 a.m., the other side is still trying to get their brief together. Judge gets impatient, other side feels the pressure and screws up, and you win the case. Which side do YOU want to be on? -Max From: E M To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Thu, February 10, 2011 5:23:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - outsourcing If I hired an American lawyer, and I was paying him American wages, guess who I'd want to be doing the work. If I found out some dude over in Pakistan was being fed the work by way of outsourcing, our working relationship would come to an end in quite a hurry. Ed 300E On 10 February 2011 16:28, R A Bennell wrote: > Yesterday afternoon I received an email message from someone in Lahore, > Pakistan offering to do work for my law office: > > "Typing > > · Transcription > > · Editing > > · Formatting > > · Diagrams > > · Working on Incorporation Documents and Annual Return files > > · Drafting Agreements > > · Forms as per requirement > > · Time Sheet Management > > · Drafting PDF into MS Word, MS Excel or other Applications > > · Data Entry (QBook, Simply Accounting, etc...)" > > > Cheaply and securely. > > > The computer age is a bit scary. Pretty soon, they will be offering to haul > my old car over there for a tuneup and then ship it back, cheaper than the > fellow down the block can do it. > > Randy > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - outsourcing
For me, I apply it to pretty much everything I can, and it's becoming harder and harder to do all the time. Example, I went to buy some dental floss sticks tonight. Anything I eat or goes in my mouth, I always go with a known name, thinking (wrongly) that such companies would still wish to manufacture in the US, or some other developed nation. Everything on the shelf, and I mean, every product was made in China! Come on America, has your industry got to the point where you can't string a piece of dental floss over a plastic toothpick?? And I don't buy all this crap about it can be made cheaper offshore. I looked at some collared t-shirts for women the other day. Brand name, made in China, $68.00 !!! Somebody please tell me with a straight face, you couldn't make a collared t-shirt, pay an America a decent wage to stitch it together, with materials sourced domestically, for less than $68.00, and still make money faster than you could spend it. I love America, I think it's one of the best countries in the world, but I think she needs to have a good look at the road she's going down, and get her act together, while she's still in a position to do so! Every time you reach for your wallet, demand to get what you want, from where you want it, nothing less. Ed 300E (not an American, but an admirer) On 10 February 2011 22:26, Mountain Man wrote: > Ed wrote: > > If I hired an American lawyer, and I was paying him American wages, guess > > who I'd want to be doing the work. If I found out some dude over in > > Pakistan was being fed the work by way of outsourcing, our working > > relationship would come to an end in quite a hurry. > > Why is this analysis not applied to steelworkers, or other > manufacturing positions? > Same dope, same gig, no? > I picture USA as a bunch of old fiddley diddleys all in rocking chairs > being fed intravenously managed by some computer jock in Lahore. > Ain't life in USA wunnerful... > mao > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - outsourcing
Ed wrote: > If I hired an American lawyer, and I was paying him American wages, guess > who I'd want to be doing the work. If I found out some dude over in > Pakistan was being fed the work by way of outsourcing, our working > relationship would come to an end in quite a hurry. Why is this analysis not applied to steelworkers, or other manufacturing positions? Same dope, same gig, no? I picture USA as a bunch of old fiddley diddleys all in rocking chairs being fed intravenously managed by some computer jock in Lahore. Ain't life in USA wunnerful... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - outsourcing
Umm would any of that be potentially privileged information? Isn't there an obligation to keep it that way? It's kinda tough to do a BI on generic warm bodies overseas... -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Feb 10, 2011, at 16:28, R A Bennell wrote: > Yesterday afternoon I received an email message from someone in Lahore, > Pakistan offering to do work for my law office: > > "Typing > > · Transcription > > · Editing > > · Formatting > > · Diagrams > > · Working on Incorporation Documents and Annual Return files > > · Drafting Agreements > > · Forms as per requirement > > · Time Sheet Management > > · Drafting PDF into MS Word, MS Excel or other Applications > > · Data Entry (QBook, Simply Accounting, etc...)" > > > Cheaply and securely. > > > The computer age is a bit scary. Pretty soon, they will be offering to haul > my old car over there for a tuneup and then ship it back, cheaper than the > fellow down the block can do it. > > Randy > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - outsourcing
Probably data entry. Punch cards and feed, then print out and return. I knew someone who did that sort of thing here. They did not do the punch cards to my knowledge. They had a computer and places like accounting firms would create the punch cards and deliver them to my fellow who would run them through the computer and print the data out over night and have the printouts delivered the next day. He made good money. When the lease on the computer ended, he asked IBM what they wished to do with the machine. They asked him to haul it out to the dumpster. He said that hurt as he had paid them about a million dollars on the lease. Randy On 10/02/2011 5:48 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: I used to work for an Indian guy from England, his family made a nice little fortune flying documents to India and getting them scanned or dealt with somehow, maybe data entry or something, then flying it all back a coupla days later. This was back in the 70s/80s and I guess it was fairly innovative. --R On 2/10/2011 4:28 PM, R A Bennell wrote: Yesterday afternoon I received an email message from someone in Lahore, Pakistan offering to do work for my law office: "Typing · Transcription · Editing · Formatting · Diagrams · Working on Incorporation Documents and Annual Return files · Drafting Agreements · Forms as per requirement · Time Sheet Management · Drafting PDF into MS Word, MS Excel or other Applications · Data Entry (QBook, Simply Accounting, etc...)" Cheaply and securely. The computer age is a bit scary. Pretty soon, they will be offering to haul my old car over there for a tuneup and then ship it back, cheaper than the fellow down the block can do it. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - outsourcing
I used to work for an Indian guy from England, his family made a nice little fortune flying documents to India and getting them scanned or dealt with somehow, maybe data entry or something, then flying it all back a coupla days later. This was back in the 70s/80s and I guess it was fairly innovative. --R On 2/10/2011 4:28 PM, R A Bennell wrote: Yesterday afternoon I received an email message from someone in Lahore, Pakistan offering to do work for my law office: "Typing · Transcription · Editing · Formatting · Diagrams · Working on Incorporation Documents and Annual Return files · Drafting Agreements · Forms as per requirement · Time Sheet Management · Drafting PDF into MS Word, MS Excel or other Applications · Data Entry (QBook, Simply Accounting, etc...)" Cheaply and securely. The computer age is a bit scary. Pretty soon, they will be offering to haul my old car over there for a tuneup and then ship it back, cheaper than the fellow down the block can do it. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - outsourcing
I agree 100%. I always ask up front who's doing the work, and to make sure it's on the invoice. If you send my work to India and invoice me, expect to be paid in rupees, and adjusted accordingly. Ed 300E On 10 February 2011 17:31, Mitch Haley wrote: > E M wrote: > >> If I hired an American lawyer, and I was paying him American wages, guess >> who I'd want to be doing the work. If I found out some dude over in >> Pakistan was being fed the work by way of outsourcing, our working >> relationship would come to an end in quite a hurry. >> > > Some big CPA firms have been sending tax work to India for several years > now. > I'm of the opinion that personal financial data should not leave the > office. > > Mitch. > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - outsourcing
E M wrote: If I hired an American lawyer, and I was paying him American wages, guess who I'd want to be doing the work. If I found out some dude over in Pakistan was being fed the work by way of outsourcing, our working relationship would come to an end in quite a hurry. Some big CPA firms have been sending tax work to India for several years now. I'm of the opinion that personal financial data should not leave the office. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - outsourcing
If I hired an American lawyer, and I was paying him American wages, guess who I'd want to be doing the work. If I found out some dude over in Pakistan was being fed the work by way of outsourcing, our working relationship would come to an end in quite a hurry. Ed 300E On 10 February 2011 16:28, R A Bennell wrote: > Yesterday afternoon I received an email message from someone in Lahore, > Pakistan offering to do work for my law office: > > "Typing > > · Transcription > > · Editing > > · Formatting > > · Diagrams > > · Working on Incorporation Documents and Annual Return files > > · Drafting Agreements > > · Forms as per requirement > > · Time Sheet Management > > · Drafting PDF into MS Word, MS Excel or other Applications > > · Data Entry (QBook, Simply Accounting, etc...)" > > > Cheaply and securely. > > > The computer age is a bit scary. Pretty soon, they will be offering to haul > my old car over there for a tuneup and then ship it back, cheaper than the > fellow down the block can do it. > > Randy > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT - outsourcing
Yesterday afternoon I received an email message from someone in Lahore, Pakistan offering to do work for my law office: "Typing · Transcription · Editing · Formatting · Diagrams · Working on Incorporation Documents and Annual Return files · Drafting Agreements · Forms as per requirement · Time Sheet Management · Drafting PDF into MS Word, MS Excel or other Applications · Data Entry (QBook, Simply Accounting, etc...)" Cheaply and securely. The computer age is a bit scary. Pretty soon, they will be offering to haul my old car over there for a tuneup and then ship it back, cheaper than the fellow down the block can do it. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
