Re: [MBZ] OT A R Gov., who believes in climate change

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Exactly!


On 12/21/2016 1:54 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

There is no doubt there is climate change. It all goes in cycles and has 
nothing to do with us. The sun gets hotter, the orbits change a little..

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 21, 2016, at 11:10 AM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
wrote:

I'm not a denier. I just doubt that we are responsible for it as the evidence 
is not clear. I don't believe in science that is created in order to further a 
political agenda. I think we should do everything within reason to protect our 
planet either way.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 21, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:

And is doing something about it - take note Curt and Dimitri.

GOP climate leader cuts emissions, except from cars

Benjamin Storrow , E News
reporter
Published: Wednesday, December 21, 2016

Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker is a rarity among Republicans. He believes
in climate change, and he's doing something about it.

Baker released a proposal

last week to curb greenhouse gas emissions by 7.2 percent of 1990 levels
in four years. The plan calls on power plants to curtail emissions, on the
state government to upgrade its vehicle fleet and on pipeline operators to
patch leaky distribution lines.

The question for Massachusetts: Does Baker's plan go far enough?

[image: E Power Plan Hub Logo]


The answer is legally important. Massachusetts' high court ruled this
summer that the Bay State is bound by a 2008 law requiring it to slash
carbon emissions 25 percent of 1990 levels by 2020 and 80 percent by 2050 (
Climatewire , May
19).

Greens are quick to praise the governor. In the current political
environment, they view any Republican working to combat climate change as a
positive development. But the plan will almost certainly fail to meet the
state's ambitious carbon-cutting goals, they say, noting that it does
little to meaningfully tackle the transportation sector, now the largest
emitter of greenhouse gases.

"I am encouraged that they are taking these steps," said Peter Shattuck,
director of the clean energy initiative at the Acadia Center, an
environmental group. "For the long term, there clearly needs to be a lot
more done to achieve the 2050 reduction and the interim reduction to get
there."

Power generators, for their part, see the plan as piling on. They would be
required to come up with the majority of emission cuts (about 4 percent)
under Baker's proposal.

Utilities have cut their carbon emissions 60 percent in the last 16 years,
said Dan Dolan, president of the New England Power Generators Association.
Transportation, meanwhile, accounted for more than 40 percent of all
statewide greenhouse gas emissions, roughly twice as much as the power
sector.

"We've picked the low-hanging fruit, and the focus needs to be shifted to
the places where the low-hanging fruit hasn't been picked," Dolan said.
Deeper cuts at power plants

State officials say they believe the plan gets Massachusetts to its legal
targets. In 2013, the state had already cut emissions by 19.7 percent of
1990 levels, according figures by the Massachusetts Department of
Environmental Protection.

Martin Suuberg, commissioner of the state Department of Environmental
Protection, said the state tends to err conservatively when proposing
emissions cuts. But he said regulators are open to ideas.
[image: Charlie Baker]

Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker (R). Photo courtesy of Wikipedia.

The state's plan, which now goes out for public comment, calls on imposing
an annual emissions cap of 9.1 million tons on power plants starting in
2018. That would fall to 8.6 million tons by 2020 and 1.8 million tons in
2050.

It would also impose emission limits for state-owned vehicles, and it calls
on gas companies to patch leaky distribution lines and institute a clean
energy standard, allowing generators to receive credits for procuring
low-emitting sources of electricity, like hydro. The proposal would
effectively increase the state's renewable portfolio standard, which now
requires that generators receive 11 percent of their power from sources
like wind and solar.

"I think we all recognize that we need to keep making progress,
particularly as we're moving to transportation and other sectors," Suuberg
said in an interview.

Environmentalists are hopeful that they can convince Baker to go further
still. The state's proposed cap on power plant emissions needs to be about
1 million tons lower to meet its legal responsibilities, said David Ismay,
an attorney with the Conservation Law Foundation.

And while addressing state-owned vehicles is a start, "these regulations do
virtually no meaningful work in reducing those transportation 

Re: [MBZ] OT A R Gov., who believes in climate change

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Who is trumo?

"scientists" who fake data or who can't discern data that has been 
altered or faked are not scientists.  "Scientists" who believe computer 
models that have been proven inaccurate are not scientists, especially 
when the real data argues against their premise.  "Scientists" who start 
with a premise and then set out to "prove" themselves "right" are not 
scientists.


The Univ of East Anglia data has been proven to be faked.  It has also 
been shown that NOAA has faked "data;" probably to protect themselves 
from political hacks.  Those are the only data stores I have seen 
referenced.


GIGO




Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
December 21, 2016 at 9:00 PM
Trumo wants to fire scientists who believe in climate change.


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Re: [MBZ] OT A R Gov., who believes in climate change

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Trumo wants to fire scientists who believe in climate change.

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 7:28 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> House Committee: Obama Fired Top Scientist Over Climate Change:
> http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/house-committee-
> scientist-energy/2016/12/20
> /id/764934/
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 1:54 PM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin <ka...@striplin.net>
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT A R Gov., who believes in climate change
> >
> > There is no doubt there is climate change. It all goes in cycles and has
> nothing
> > to do with us. The sun gets hotter, the orbits change a little..
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Dec 21, 2016, at 11:10 AM, Dimitri via Mercedes
> > <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm not a denier. I just doubt that we are responsible for it as the
> evidence is
> > not clear. I don't believe in science that is created in order to further
> a political
> > agenda. I think we should do everything within reason to protect our
> planet
> > either way.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Dec 21, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
> > <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> And is doing something about it - take note Curt and Dimitri.
> > >>
> > >> GOP climate leader cuts emissions, except from cars
> > >>
> > >> Benjamin Storrow <http://www.eenews.net/staff/Benjamin_Storrow>, E
> > >> News reporter
> > >> Published: Wednesday, December 21, 2016
> > >>
> > >> Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker is a rarity among Republicans. He
> > >> believes in climate change, and he's doing something about it.
> > >>
> > >> Baker released a proposal
> > >> <http://www.mass.gov/eea/agencies/massdep/air/climate/section3d-
> > comme
> > >> nts.html> last week to curb greenhouse gas emissions by 7.2 percent
> > >> of 1990 levels in four years. The plan calls on power plants to
> > >> curtail emissions, on the state government to upgrade its vehicle
> > >> fleet and on pipeline operators to patch leaky distribution lines.
> > >>
> > >> The question for Massachusetts: Does Baker's plan go far enough?
> > >>
> > >> [image: E Power Plan Hub Logo]
> > >> <http://www.eenews.net/interactive/clean_power_plan>
> > >>
> > >> The answer is legally important. Massachusetts' high court ruled this
> > >> summer that the Bay State is bound by a 2008 law requiring it to
> > >> slash carbon emissions 25 percent of 1990 levels by 2020 and 80
> > >> percent by 2050 ( Climatewire
> > >> <http://www.eenews.net/climatewire/stories/1060037515/>, May 19).
> > >>
> > >> Greens are quick to praise the governor. In the current political
> > >> environment, they view any Republican working to combat climate
> > >> change as a positive development. But the plan will almost certainly
> > >> fail to meet the state's ambitious carbon-cutting goals, they say,
> > >> noting that it does little to meaningfully tackle the transportation
> > >> sector, now the largest emitter of greenhouse gases.
> > >>
> > >> "I am encouraged that they are taking these steps," said Peter
> > >> Shattuck, director of the clean energy initiative at the Acadia
> > >> Center, an environmental group. "For the long term, there clearly
> > >> needs to be a lot more done to achieve the 2050 reduction and the
> > >> interim reduction to get there."
> > >>
> > >> Power generators, for their part, see the plan as piling on. They
> > >> would be required to come up with the majority of emission cuts
> > >> (about 4 percent) under Baker's proposal.
> > >>
> > >> Utilities have cut their carbon emissions 60 percent in the last 16
> > >> years, said Dan Dolan, president of the New England Power Generators
> > Association.
> > >> Transportation, meanwhile, accounted for more than 40 percent of all
> > >> statewide greenhouse gas emissions, roughly twice as much as the
> > >&g

Re: [MBZ] OT A R Gov., who believes in climate change

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

House Committee: Obama Fired Top Scientist Over Climate Change:
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/house-committee-scientist-energy/2016/12/20
/id/764934/



> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 1:54 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin <ka...@striplin.net>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT A R Gov., who believes in climate change
> 
> There is no doubt there is climate change. It all goes in cycles and has
nothing
> to do with us. The sun gets hotter, the orbits change a little..
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Dec 21, 2016, at 11:10 AM, Dimitri via Mercedes
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm not a denier. I just doubt that we are responsible for it as the
evidence is
> not clear. I don't believe in science that is created in order to further
a political
> agenda. I think we should do everything within reason to protect our
planet
> either way.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Dec 21, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> And is doing something about it - take note Curt and Dimitri.
> >>
> >> GOP climate leader cuts emissions, except from cars
> >>
> >> Benjamin Storrow <http://www.eenews.net/staff/Benjamin_Storrow>, E
> >> News reporter
> >> Published: Wednesday, December 21, 2016
> >>
> >> Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker is a rarity among Republicans. He
> >> believes in climate change, and he's doing something about it.
> >>
> >> Baker released a proposal
> >> <http://www.mass.gov/eea/agencies/massdep/air/climate/section3d-
> comme
> >> nts.html> last week to curb greenhouse gas emissions by 7.2 percent
> >> of 1990 levels in four years. The plan calls on power plants to
> >> curtail emissions, on the state government to upgrade its vehicle
> >> fleet and on pipeline operators to patch leaky distribution lines.
> >>
> >> The question for Massachusetts: Does Baker's plan go far enough?
> >>
> >> [image: E Power Plan Hub Logo]
> >> <http://www.eenews.net/interactive/clean_power_plan>
> >>
> >> The answer is legally important. Massachusetts' high court ruled this
> >> summer that the Bay State is bound by a 2008 law requiring it to
> >> slash carbon emissions 25 percent of 1990 levels by 2020 and 80
> >> percent by 2050 ( Climatewire
> >> <http://www.eenews.net/climatewire/stories/1060037515/>, May 19).
> >>
> >> Greens are quick to praise the governor. In the current political
> >> environment, they view any Republican working to combat climate
> >> change as a positive development. But the plan will almost certainly
> >> fail to meet the state's ambitious carbon-cutting goals, they say,
> >> noting that it does little to meaningfully tackle the transportation
> >> sector, now the largest emitter of greenhouse gases.
> >>
> >> "I am encouraged that they are taking these steps," said Peter
> >> Shattuck, director of the clean energy initiative at the Acadia
> >> Center, an environmental group. "For the long term, there clearly
> >> needs to be a lot more done to achieve the 2050 reduction and the
> >> interim reduction to get there."
> >>
> >> Power generators, for their part, see the plan as piling on. They
> >> would be required to come up with the majority of emission cuts
> >> (about 4 percent) under Baker's proposal.
> >>
> >> Utilities have cut their carbon emissions 60 percent in the last 16
> >> years, said Dan Dolan, president of the New England Power Generators
> Association.
> >> Transportation, meanwhile, accounted for more than 40 percent of all
> >> statewide greenhouse gas emissions, roughly twice as much as the
> >> power sector.
> >>
> >> "We've picked the low-hanging fruit, and the focus needs to be
> >> shifted to the places where the low-hanging fruit hasn't been picked,"
> Dolan said.
> >> Deeper cuts at power plants
> >>
> >> State officials say they believe the plan gets Massachusetts to its
> >> legal targets. In 2013, the state had already cut emissions by 19.7
> >> percent of
> >> 1990 levels, according figures by the Massachusetts Department of
> >> Environmental Protection.
> >>
> >&g

Re: [MBZ] OT A R Gov., who believes in climate change

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 12:54:14 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> There is no doubt there is climate change. It all goes in cycles and
> has nothing to do with us. The sun gets hotter, the orbits change a
> little..

Yes, the climate changes all the time; no one I know of denies that it
changes. If it didn't, Kansas would still be under 2 miles of ice.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT A R Gov., who believes in climate change

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

There is no doubt there is climate change. It all goes in cycles and has 
nothing to do with us. The sun gets hotter, the orbits change a little..

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 21, 2016, at 11:10 AM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm not a denier. I just doubt that we are responsible for it as the evidence 
> is not clear. I don't believe in science that is created in order to further 
> a political agenda. I think we should do everything within reason to protect 
> our planet either way. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> And is doing something about it - take note Curt and Dimitri.
>> 
>> GOP climate leader cuts emissions, except from cars
>> 
>> Benjamin Storrow , E News
>> reporter
>> Published: Wednesday, December 21, 2016
>> 
>> Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker is a rarity among Republicans. He believes
>> in climate change, and he's doing something about it.
>> 
>> Baker released a proposal
>> 
>> last week to curb greenhouse gas emissions by 7.2 percent of 1990 levels
>> in four years. The plan calls on power plants to curtail emissions, on the
>> state government to upgrade its vehicle fleet and on pipeline operators to
>> patch leaky distribution lines.
>> 
>> The question for Massachusetts: Does Baker's plan go far enough?
>> 
>> [image: E Power Plan Hub Logo]
>> 
>> 
>> The answer is legally important. Massachusetts' high court ruled this
>> summer that the Bay State is bound by a 2008 law requiring it to slash
>> carbon emissions 25 percent of 1990 levels by 2020 and 80 percent by 2050 (
>> Climatewire , May
>> 19).
>> 
>> Greens are quick to praise the governor. In the current political
>> environment, they view any Republican working to combat climate change as a
>> positive development. But the plan will almost certainly fail to meet the
>> state's ambitious carbon-cutting goals, they say, noting that it does
>> little to meaningfully tackle the transportation sector, now the largest
>> emitter of greenhouse gases.
>> 
>> "I am encouraged that they are taking these steps," said Peter Shattuck,
>> director of the clean energy initiative at the Acadia Center, an
>> environmental group. "For the long term, there clearly needs to be a lot
>> more done to achieve the 2050 reduction and the interim reduction to get
>> there."
>> 
>> Power generators, for their part, see the plan as piling on. They would be
>> required to come up with the majority of emission cuts (about 4 percent)
>> under Baker's proposal.
>> 
>> Utilities have cut their carbon emissions 60 percent in the last 16 years,
>> said Dan Dolan, president of the New England Power Generators Association.
>> Transportation, meanwhile, accounted for more than 40 percent of all
>> statewide greenhouse gas emissions, roughly twice as much as the power
>> sector.
>> 
>> "We've picked the low-hanging fruit, and the focus needs to be shifted to
>> the places where the low-hanging fruit hasn't been picked," Dolan said.
>> Deeper cuts at power plants
>> 
>> State officials say they believe the plan gets Massachusetts to its legal
>> targets. In 2013, the state had already cut emissions by 19.7 percent of
>> 1990 levels, according figures by the Massachusetts Department of
>> Environmental Protection.
>> 
>> Martin Suuberg, commissioner of the state Department of Environmental
>> Protection, said the state tends to err conservatively when proposing
>> emissions cuts. But he said regulators are open to ideas.
>> [image: Charlie Baker]
>> 
>> Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker (R). Photo courtesy of Wikipedia.
>> 
>> The state's plan, which now goes out for public comment, calls on imposing
>> an annual emissions cap of 9.1 million tons on power plants starting in
>> 2018. That would fall to 8.6 million tons by 2020 and 1.8 million tons in
>> 2050.
>> 
>> It would also impose emission limits for state-owned vehicles, and it calls
>> on gas companies to patch leaky distribution lines and institute a clean
>> energy standard, allowing generators to receive credits for procuring
>> low-emitting sources of electricity, like hydro. The proposal would
>> effectively increase the state's renewable portfolio standard, which now
>> requires that generators receive 11 percent of their power from sources
>> like wind and solar.
>> 
>> "I think we all recognize that we need to keep making progress,
>> particularly as we're moving to transportation and other sectors," Suuberg
>> said in an interview.
>> 
>> Environmentalists are hopeful that they can convince Baker to go further
>> still. The state's proposed cap on power plant emissions needs to be about
>> 1 million tons lower to meet its legal 

Re: [MBZ] OT A R Gov., who believes in climate change

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

I'm not a denier. I just doubt that we are responsible for it as the evidence 
is not clear. I don't believe in science that is created in order to further a 
political agenda. I think we should do everything within reason to protect our 
planet either way. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 21, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> And is doing something about it - take note Curt and Dimitri.
> 
> GOP climate leader cuts emissions, except from cars
> 
> Benjamin Storrow , E News
> reporter
> Published: Wednesday, December 21, 2016
> 
> Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker is a rarity among Republicans. He believes
> in climate change, and he's doing something about it.
> 
> Baker released a proposal
> 
> last week to curb greenhouse gas emissions by 7.2 percent of 1990 levels
> in four years. The plan calls on power plants to curtail emissions, on the
> state government to upgrade its vehicle fleet and on pipeline operators to
> patch leaky distribution lines.
> 
> The question for Massachusetts: Does Baker's plan go far enough?
> 
> [image: E Power Plan Hub Logo]
> 
> 
> The answer is legally important. Massachusetts' high court ruled this
> summer that the Bay State is bound by a 2008 law requiring it to slash
> carbon emissions 25 percent of 1990 levels by 2020 and 80 percent by 2050 (
> Climatewire , May
> 19).
> 
> Greens are quick to praise the governor. In the current political
> environment, they view any Republican working to combat climate change as a
> positive development. But the plan will almost certainly fail to meet the
> state's ambitious carbon-cutting goals, they say, noting that it does
> little to meaningfully tackle the transportation sector, now the largest
> emitter of greenhouse gases.
> 
> "I am encouraged that they are taking these steps," said Peter Shattuck,
> director of the clean energy initiative at the Acadia Center, an
> environmental group. "For the long term, there clearly needs to be a lot
> more done to achieve the 2050 reduction and the interim reduction to get
> there."
> 
> Power generators, for their part, see the plan as piling on. They would be
> required to come up with the majority of emission cuts (about 4 percent)
> under Baker's proposal.
> 
> Utilities have cut their carbon emissions 60 percent in the last 16 years,
> said Dan Dolan, president of the New England Power Generators Association.
> Transportation, meanwhile, accounted for more than 40 percent of all
> statewide greenhouse gas emissions, roughly twice as much as the power
> sector.
> 
> "We've picked the low-hanging fruit, and the focus needs to be shifted to
> the places where the low-hanging fruit hasn't been picked," Dolan said.
> Deeper cuts at power plants
> 
> State officials say they believe the plan gets Massachusetts to its legal
> targets. In 2013, the state had already cut emissions by 19.7 percent of
> 1990 levels, according figures by the Massachusetts Department of
> Environmental Protection.
> 
> Martin Suuberg, commissioner of the state Department of Environmental
> Protection, said the state tends to err conservatively when proposing
> emissions cuts. But he said regulators are open to ideas.
> [image: Charlie Baker]
> 
> Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker (R). Photo courtesy of Wikipedia.
> 
> The state's plan, which now goes out for public comment, calls on imposing
> an annual emissions cap of 9.1 million tons on power plants starting in
> 2018. That would fall to 8.6 million tons by 2020 and 1.8 million tons in
> 2050.
> 
> It would also impose emission limits for state-owned vehicles, and it calls
> on gas companies to patch leaky distribution lines and institute a clean
> energy standard, allowing generators to receive credits for procuring
> low-emitting sources of electricity, like hydro. The proposal would
> effectively increase the state's renewable portfolio standard, which now
> requires that generators receive 11 percent of their power from sources
> like wind and solar.
> 
> "I think we all recognize that we need to keep making progress,
> particularly as we're moving to transportation and other sectors," Suuberg
> said in an interview.
> 
> Environmentalists are hopeful that they can convince Baker to go further
> still. The state's proposed cap on power plant emissions needs to be about
> 1 million tons lower to meet its legal responsibilities, said David Ismay,
> an attorney with the Conservation Law Foundation.
> 
> And while addressing state-owned vehicles is a start, "these regulations do
> virtually no meaningful work in reducing those transportation sector
> emissions," he said.
> 
> Baker may yet prove a test case for how far Republicans are willing to go
> in addressing climate change.
> 

Re: [MBZ] OT A R Gov., who believes in climate change

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The list of RICH climate change deniers is WAY longer than the opposite
side.

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 10:39 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:

> As soon as hell freezes solid and the Ex calls me for a date to go ice
> skating..
>
> Your buy in to "climate change" is founded on faulty science, not backed by
> solid historical research that has been properly interpreted. The
> statistics going back 200 years, when properly applied, show a decade
> increase of 0.01 degree centigrade.
>
> Instead of buying into the spew, try following the money trail left by
> those who are promoting "climate change" and have a hard look at what
> drives them.. Al Gore, for example, has become quite rich while selling his
> version.. and he is only one of many.
>
> Shame.. you are a scientist.. use the facts.
>
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 7:33 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > So you would support a D gov for S Carolina?
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > An R in MA is pretty much a Dem Lite.  MA has a history of electing
> "Rs"
> > > for gubna and it seems to work out pretty well as it provides a minimal
> > > check on the plundering of the treasury.
> > >
> > > --R
> > >
> > > On 12/21/16 9:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > >
> > >> And is doing something about it - take note Curt and Dimitri.
> > >>
> > >> GOP climate leader cuts emissions, except from cars
> > >>
> > >> Benjamin Storrow , E
> > News
> > >> reporter
> > >> Published: Wednesday, December 21, 2016
> > >>
> > >> Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker is a rarity among Republicans. He
> > >> believes
> > >> in climate change, and he's doing something about it.
> > >>
> > >> Baker released a proposal
> > >>  > >> n3d-comments.html>
> > >>   last week to curb greenhouse gas emissions by 7.2 percent of 1990
> > levels
> > >> in four years. The plan calls on power plants to curtail emissions, on
> > the
> > >> state government to upgrade its vehicle fleet and on pipeline
> operators
> > to
> > >> patch leaky distribution lines.
> > >>
> > >> The question for Massachusetts: Does Baker's plan go far enough?
> > >>
> > >> [image: E Power Plan Hub Logo]
> > >> 
> > >>
> > >> The answer is legally important. Massachusetts' high court ruled this
> > >> summer that the Bay State is bound by a 2008 law requiring it to slash
> > >> carbon emissions 25 percent of 1990 levels by 2020 and 80 percent by
> > 2050
> > >> (
> > >> Climatewire ,
> > May
> > >>
> > >> 19).
> > >>
> > >> Greens are quick to praise the governor. In the current political
> > >> environment, they view any Republican working to combat climate change
> > as
> > >> a
> > >> positive development. But the plan will almost certainly fail to meet
> > the
> > >> state's ambitious carbon-cutting goals, they say, noting that it does
> > >> little to meaningfully tackle the transportation sector, now the
> largest
> > >> emitter of greenhouse gases.
> > >>
> > >> "I am encouraged that they are taking these steps," said Peter
> Shattuck,
> > >> director of the clean energy initiative at the Acadia Center, an
> > >> environmental group. "For the long term, there clearly needs to be a
> lot
> > >> more done to achieve the 2050 reduction and the interim reduction to
> get
> > >> there."
> > >>
> > >> Power generators, for their part, see the plan as piling on. They
> would
> > be
> > >> required to come up with the majority of emission cuts (about 4
> percent)
> > >> under Baker's proposal.
> > >>
> > >> Utilities have cut their carbon emissions 60 percent in the last 16
> > years,
> > >> said Dan Dolan, president of the New England Power Generators
> > Association.
> > >> Transportation, meanwhile, accounted for more than 40 percent of all
> > >> statewide greenhouse gas emissions, roughly twice as much as the power
> > >> sector.
> > >>
> > >> "We've picked the low-hanging fruit, and the focus needs to be shifted
> > to
> > >> the places where the low-hanging fruit hasn't been picked," Dolan
> said.
> > >> Deeper cuts at power plants
> > >>
> > >> State officials say they believe the plan gets Massachusetts to its
> > legal
> > >> targets. In 2013, the state had already cut emissions by 19.7 percent
> of
> > >> 1990 levels, according figures by the Massachusetts Department of
> > >> Environmental Protection.
> > >>
> > >> Martin Suuberg, commissioner of the state Department of Environmental
> > >> Protection, said the state tends to err conservatively when proposing
> > >> emissions cuts. But he said regulators are open to ideas.
> > >> [image: Charlie Baker]
> > >>
> > >> Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker (R). Photo courtesy of Wikipedia.
> > >>
> > >> The 

Re: [MBZ] OT A R Gov., who believes in climate change

[G Mann via Mercedes]

As soon as hell freezes solid and the Ex calls me for a date to go ice
skating..

Your buy in to "climate change" is founded on faulty science, not backed by
solid historical research that has been properly interpreted. The
statistics going back 200 years, when properly applied, show a decade
increase of 0.01 degree centigrade.

Instead of buying into the spew, try following the money trail left by
those who are promoting "climate change" and have a hard look at what
drives them.. Al Gore, for example, has become quite rich while selling his
version.. and he is only one of many.

Shame.. you are a scientist.. use the facts.

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 7:33 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So you would support a D gov for S Carolina?
>
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > An R in MA is pretty much a Dem Lite.  MA has a history of electing "Rs"
> > for gubna and it seems to work out pretty well as it provides a minimal
> > check on the plundering of the treasury.
> >
> > --R
> >
> > On 12/21/16 9:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >> And is doing something about it - take note Curt and Dimitri.
> >>
> >> GOP climate leader cuts emissions, except from cars
> >>
> >> Benjamin Storrow , E
> News
> >> reporter
> >> Published: Wednesday, December 21, 2016
> >>
> >> Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker is a rarity among Republicans. He
> >> believes
> >> in climate change, and he's doing something about it.
> >>
> >> Baker released a proposal
> >>  >> n3d-comments.html>
> >>   last week to curb greenhouse gas emissions by 7.2 percent of 1990
> levels
> >> in four years. The plan calls on power plants to curtail emissions, on
> the
> >> state government to upgrade its vehicle fleet and on pipeline operators
> to
> >> patch leaky distribution lines.
> >>
> >> The question for Massachusetts: Does Baker's plan go far enough?
> >>
> >> [image: E Power Plan Hub Logo]
> >> 
> >>
> >> The answer is legally important. Massachusetts' high court ruled this
> >> summer that the Bay State is bound by a 2008 law requiring it to slash
> >> carbon emissions 25 percent of 1990 levels by 2020 and 80 percent by
> 2050
> >> (
> >> Climatewire ,
> May
> >>
> >> 19).
> >>
> >> Greens are quick to praise the governor. In the current political
> >> environment, they view any Republican working to combat climate change
> as
> >> a
> >> positive development. But the plan will almost certainly fail to meet
> the
> >> state's ambitious carbon-cutting goals, they say, noting that it does
> >> little to meaningfully tackle the transportation sector, now the largest
> >> emitter of greenhouse gases.
> >>
> >> "I am encouraged that they are taking these steps," said Peter Shattuck,
> >> director of the clean energy initiative at the Acadia Center, an
> >> environmental group. "For the long term, there clearly needs to be a lot
> >> more done to achieve the 2050 reduction and the interim reduction to get
> >> there."
> >>
> >> Power generators, for their part, see the plan as piling on. They would
> be
> >> required to come up with the majority of emission cuts (about 4 percent)
> >> under Baker's proposal.
> >>
> >> Utilities have cut their carbon emissions 60 percent in the last 16
> years,
> >> said Dan Dolan, president of the New England Power Generators
> Association.
> >> Transportation, meanwhile, accounted for more than 40 percent of all
> >> statewide greenhouse gas emissions, roughly twice as much as the power
> >> sector.
> >>
> >> "We've picked the low-hanging fruit, and the focus needs to be shifted
> to
> >> the places where the low-hanging fruit hasn't been picked," Dolan said.
> >> Deeper cuts at power plants
> >>
> >> State officials say they believe the plan gets Massachusetts to its
> legal
> >> targets. In 2013, the state had already cut emissions by 19.7 percent of
> >> 1990 levels, according figures by the Massachusetts Department of
> >> Environmental Protection.
> >>
> >> Martin Suuberg, commissioner of the state Department of Environmental
> >> Protection, said the state tends to err conservatively when proposing
> >> emissions cuts. But he said regulators are open to ideas.
> >> [image: Charlie Baker]
> >>
> >> Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker (R). Photo courtesy of Wikipedia.
> >>
> >> The state's plan, which now goes out for public comment, calls on
> imposing
> >> an annual emissions cap of 9.1 million tons on power plants starting in
> >> 2018. That would fall to 8.6 million tons by 2020 and 1.8 million tons
> in
> >> 2050.
> >>
> >> It would also impose emission limits for state-owned vehicles, and it
> >> calls
> >> on gas companies to patch leaky distribution lines and institute a clean
> >> 

Re: [MBZ] OT A R Gov., who believes in climate change

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

So you would support a D gov for S Carolina?

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> An R in MA is pretty much a Dem Lite.  MA has a history of electing "Rs"
> for gubna and it seems to work out pretty well as it provides a minimal
> check on the plundering of the treasury.
>
> --R
>
> On 12/21/16 9:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> And is doing something about it - take note Curt and Dimitri.
>>
>> GOP climate leader cuts emissions, except from cars
>>
>> Benjamin Storrow , E News
>> reporter
>> Published: Wednesday, December 21, 2016
>>
>> Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker is a rarity among Republicans. He
>> believes
>> in climate change, and he's doing something about it.
>>
>> Baker released a proposal
>> > n3d-comments.html>
>>   last week to curb greenhouse gas emissions by 7.2 percent of 1990 levels
>> in four years. The plan calls on power plants to curtail emissions, on the
>> state government to upgrade its vehicle fleet and on pipeline operators to
>> patch leaky distribution lines.
>>
>> The question for Massachusetts: Does Baker's plan go far enough?
>>
>> [image: E Power Plan Hub Logo]
>> 
>>
>> The answer is legally important. Massachusetts' high court ruled this
>> summer that the Bay State is bound by a 2008 law requiring it to slash
>> carbon emissions 25 percent of 1990 levels by 2020 and 80 percent by 2050
>> (
>> Climatewire , May
>>
>> 19).
>>
>> Greens are quick to praise the governor. In the current political
>> environment, they view any Republican working to combat climate change as
>> a
>> positive development. But the plan will almost certainly fail to meet the
>> state's ambitious carbon-cutting goals, they say, noting that it does
>> little to meaningfully tackle the transportation sector, now the largest
>> emitter of greenhouse gases.
>>
>> "I am encouraged that they are taking these steps," said Peter Shattuck,
>> director of the clean energy initiative at the Acadia Center, an
>> environmental group. "For the long term, there clearly needs to be a lot
>> more done to achieve the 2050 reduction and the interim reduction to get
>> there."
>>
>> Power generators, for their part, see the plan as piling on. They would be
>> required to come up with the majority of emission cuts (about 4 percent)
>> under Baker's proposal.
>>
>> Utilities have cut their carbon emissions 60 percent in the last 16 years,
>> said Dan Dolan, president of the New England Power Generators Association.
>> Transportation, meanwhile, accounted for more than 40 percent of all
>> statewide greenhouse gas emissions, roughly twice as much as the power
>> sector.
>>
>> "We've picked the low-hanging fruit, and the focus needs to be shifted to
>> the places where the low-hanging fruit hasn't been picked," Dolan said.
>> Deeper cuts at power plants
>>
>> State officials say they believe the plan gets Massachusetts to its legal
>> targets. In 2013, the state had already cut emissions by 19.7 percent of
>> 1990 levels, according figures by the Massachusetts Department of
>> Environmental Protection.
>>
>> Martin Suuberg, commissioner of the state Department of Environmental
>> Protection, said the state tends to err conservatively when proposing
>> emissions cuts. But he said regulators are open to ideas.
>> [image: Charlie Baker]
>>
>> Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker (R). Photo courtesy of Wikipedia.
>>
>> The state's plan, which now goes out for public comment, calls on imposing
>> an annual emissions cap of 9.1 million tons on power plants starting in
>> 2018. That would fall to 8.6 million tons by 2020 and 1.8 million tons in
>> 2050.
>>
>> It would also impose emission limits for state-owned vehicles, and it
>> calls
>> on gas companies to patch leaky distribution lines and institute a clean
>> energy standard, allowing generators to receive credits for procuring
>> low-emitting sources of electricity, like hydro. The proposal would
>> effectively increase the state's renewable portfolio standard, which now
>> requires that generators receive 11 percent of their power from sources
>> like wind and solar.
>>
>> "I think we all recognize that we need to keep making progress,
>> particularly as we're moving to transportation and other sectors," Suuberg
>> said in an interview.
>>
>> Environmentalists are hopeful that they can convince Baker to go further
>> still. The state's proposed cap on power plant emissions needs to be about
>> 1 million tons lower to meet its legal responsibilities, said David Ismay,
>> an attorney with the Conservation Law Foundation.
>>
>> And while addressing state-owned vehicles is a start, "these regulations
>> do
>> virtually no meaningful work in reducing those transportation sector
>> emissions," 

Re: [MBZ] OT A R Gov., who believes in climate change

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

An R in MA is pretty much a Dem Lite.  MA has a history of electing "Rs" 
for gubna and it seems to work out pretty well as it provides a minimal 
check on the plundering of the treasury.


--R

On 12/21/16 9:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

And is doing something about it - take note Curt and Dimitri.

GOP climate leader cuts emissions, except from cars

Benjamin Storrow , E News
reporter
Published: Wednesday, December 21, 2016

Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker is a rarity among Republicans. He believes
in climate change, and he's doing something about it.

Baker released a proposal

  last week to curb greenhouse gas emissions by 7.2 percent of 1990 levels
in four years. The plan calls on power plants to curtail emissions, on the
state government to upgrade its vehicle fleet and on pipeline operators to
patch leaky distribution lines.

The question for Massachusetts: Does Baker's plan go far enough?

[image: E Power Plan Hub Logo]


The answer is legally important. Massachusetts' high court ruled this
summer that the Bay State is bound by a 2008 law requiring it to slash
carbon emissions 25 percent of 1990 levels by 2020 and 80 percent by 2050 (
Climatewire , May
19).

Greens are quick to praise the governor. In the current political
environment, they view any Republican working to combat climate change as a
positive development. But the plan will almost certainly fail to meet the
state's ambitious carbon-cutting goals, they say, noting that it does
little to meaningfully tackle the transportation sector, now the largest
emitter of greenhouse gases.

"I am encouraged that they are taking these steps," said Peter Shattuck,
director of the clean energy initiative at the Acadia Center, an
environmental group. "For the long term, there clearly needs to be a lot
more done to achieve the 2050 reduction and the interim reduction to get
there."

Power generators, for their part, see the plan as piling on. They would be
required to come up with the majority of emission cuts (about 4 percent)
under Baker's proposal.

Utilities have cut their carbon emissions 60 percent in the last 16 years,
said Dan Dolan, president of the New England Power Generators Association.
Transportation, meanwhile, accounted for more than 40 percent of all
statewide greenhouse gas emissions, roughly twice as much as the power
sector.

"We've picked the low-hanging fruit, and the focus needs to be shifted to
the places where the low-hanging fruit hasn't been picked," Dolan said.
Deeper cuts at power plants

State officials say they believe the plan gets Massachusetts to its legal
targets. In 2013, the state had already cut emissions by 19.7 percent of
1990 levels, according figures by the Massachusetts Department of
Environmental Protection.

Martin Suuberg, commissioner of the state Department of Environmental
Protection, said the state tends to err conservatively when proposing
emissions cuts. But he said regulators are open to ideas.
[image: Charlie Baker]

Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker (R). Photo courtesy of Wikipedia.

The state's plan, which now goes out for public comment, calls on imposing
an annual emissions cap of 9.1 million tons on power plants starting in
2018. That would fall to 8.6 million tons by 2020 and 1.8 million tons in
2050.

It would also impose emission limits for state-owned vehicles, and it calls
on gas companies to patch leaky distribution lines and institute a clean
energy standard, allowing generators to receive credits for procuring
low-emitting sources of electricity, like hydro. The proposal would
effectively increase the state's renewable portfolio standard, which now
requires that generators receive 11 percent of their power from sources
like wind and solar.

"I think we all recognize that we need to keep making progress,
particularly as we're moving to transportation and other sectors," Suuberg
said in an interview.

Environmentalists are hopeful that they can convince Baker to go further
still. The state's proposed cap on power plant emissions needs to be about
1 million tons lower to meet its legal responsibilities, said David Ismay,
an attorney with the Conservation Law Foundation.

And while addressing state-owned vehicles is a start, "these regulations do
virtually no meaningful work in reducing those transportation sector
emissions," he said.

Baker may yet prove a test case for how far Republicans are willing to go
in addressing climate change.
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[MBZ] OT A R Gov., who believes in climate change

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

And is doing something about it - take note Curt and Dimitri.

GOP climate leader cuts emissions, except from cars

Benjamin Storrow , E News
reporter
Published: Wednesday, December 21, 2016

Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker is a rarity among Republicans. He believes
in climate change, and he's doing something about it.

Baker released a proposal

 last week to curb greenhouse gas emissions by 7.2 percent of 1990 levels
in four years. The plan calls on power plants to curtail emissions, on the
state government to upgrade its vehicle fleet and on pipeline operators to
patch leaky distribution lines.

The question for Massachusetts: Does Baker's plan go far enough?

[image: E Power Plan Hub Logo]


The answer is legally important. Massachusetts' high court ruled this
summer that the Bay State is bound by a 2008 law requiring it to slash
carbon emissions 25 percent of 1990 levels by 2020 and 80 percent by 2050 (
Climatewire , May
19).

Greens are quick to praise the governor. In the current political
environment, they view any Republican working to combat climate change as a
positive development. But the plan will almost certainly fail to meet the
state's ambitious carbon-cutting goals, they say, noting that it does
little to meaningfully tackle the transportation sector, now the largest
emitter of greenhouse gases.

"I am encouraged that they are taking these steps," said Peter Shattuck,
director of the clean energy initiative at the Acadia Center, an
environmental group. "For the long term, there clearly needs to be a lot
more done to achieve the 2050 reduction and the interim reduction to get
there."

Power generators, for their part, see the plan as piling on. They would be
required to come up with the majority of emission cuts (about 4 percent)
under Baker's proposal.

Utilities have cut their carbon emissions 60 percent in the last 16 years,
said Dan Dolan, president of the New England Power Generators Association.
Transportation, meanwhile, accounted for more than 40 percent of all
statewide greenhouse gas emissions, roughly twice as much as the power
sector.

"We've picked the low-hanging fruit, and the focus needs to be shifted to
the places where the low-hanging fruit hasn't been picked," Dolan said.
Deeper cuts at power plants

State officials say they believe the plan gets Massachusetts to its legal
targets. In 2013, the state had already cut emissions by 19.7 percent of
1990 levels, according figures by the Massachusetts Department of
Environmental Protection.

Martin Suuberg, commissioner of the state Department of Environmental
Protection, said the state tends to err conservatively when proposing
emissions cuts. But he said regulators are open to ideas.
[image: Charlie Baker]

Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker (R). Photo courtesy of Wikipedia.

The state's plan, which now goes out for public comment, calls on imposing
an annual emissions cap of 9.1 million tons on power plants starting in
2018. That would fall to 8.6 million tons by 2020 and 1.8 million tons in
2050.

It would also impose emission limits for state-owned vehicles, and it calls
on gas companies to patch leaky distribution lines and institute a clean
energy standard, allowing generators to receive credits for procuring
low-emitting sources of electricity, like hydro. The proposal would
effectively increase the state's renewable portfolio standard, which now
requires that generators receive 11 percent of their power from sources
like wind and solar.

"I think we all recognize that we need to keep making progress,
particularly as we're moving to transportation and other sectors," Suuberg
said in an interview.

Environmentalists are hopeful that they can convince Baker to go further
still. The state's proposed cap on power plant emissions needs to be about
1 million tons lower to meet its legal responsibilities, said David Ismay,
an attorney with the Conservation Law Foundation.

And while addressing state-owned vehicles is a start, "these regulations do
virtually no meaningful work in reducing those transportation sector
emissions," he said.

Baker may yet prove a test case for how far Republicans are willing to go
in addressing climate change.
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