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John Robbins wrote: They were riding basically on the white line to let the few cars they did see have plenty of room. So they did everything right to be good safe bicyclists and avoid getting in a wreck. Thanks for sharing, I had wondered what happened for you to have lost such a young wife. I hope it doesn't unduly discourage others from riding. ~800 Americans a year die on bikes, and a good portion of those are doing something illegal or monumentally stupid at the time of the crash (unlike your wife). A group ride right on the fog line doesn't sound like maximum safety to me (not to say it's negligent, just sub optimal) At least they weren't riding in the parking lane, wondering why cars didn't want to yield to them as they try to weave in and out of the traffic lane. Somewhere between the right car tire tracks and the fog line, with an eye in the mirror and moving over if needed when faster traffic is overtaking gives you more visibility and maneuvering room. Riding solo, I tend to ride halfway between the car tracks and the fog line. If I'm the lead bike in a group, right down the car track is my target. Your personal tragedy does illustrate why cyclists cannot afford to make a habit out of allowing cars closer than a meter to them. Here's a basic primer on lane positioning: http://www.seattlebiketours.org/members/effective_cycling/far_right.html Index to several riding topics from the same club: http://www.seattlebiketours.org/members/effective_cycling.html Mitch.
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Oh man, Im extremely surprised and sorry to hear that. Thats just unbelievable. The times have has seen you two she seemed like a very nice person. You will be in my thoughts. Kaleb John Robbins wrote: My wife passed away at the beginning of this month while she was road bicycling... She was riding home from work in Huntsville (she co-ops there, I'm in Starkville at the moment) with a friend. Its a 15 mile ride into work and there have been a group of people doing it for about three years now without incident. They take a bunch of winding two lane roads that avoid as many of the major intersections and traffic as possible. They all wear helmets. They were riding basically on the white line to let the few cars they did see have plenty of room. So they did everything right to be good safe bicyclists and avoid getting in a wreck. Accidents still happen though because for some reason (hitting the tire of the guy in front, hitting a rock in the road or something) Jenn lost control of her bike and veered into oncoming traffic. The car did her absolute best to avoid Jenn... it was the 4th car they had seen on their 8 or so miles on the road. No matter how safe you try to make things accidents still happen. Just do the best that you can and what your comfortable with. http://www.bradfordokeefe.com/obituaries/view_obit.php?id=2131 John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
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I am sorry to hear about that as well. Drivers are just plain insane. I am still in shock about John's wife. I know they have not even been married that long. I just saw them, what a couple of months ago? BillR wrote: Kevin - I surprised my wife with a scooter for Christmas two years ago. I had a very good helmet on order, but the neurosurgeon said it probably would not have helped. Someone pulled out in front of her on her first ride and she spent three days in ICU, and still suffers some effects from the traumatic brain injury. Scooters can be fun, but too easily become dangerous even if you do everything right [which my wonderful wife did not]. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Kraly Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 2:45 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers_was Fuel mileage Hi, John. I'm so sorry for your loss. My wife, Ayla, has been thinking of getting a motor scooter to ride around. She's blind in one eye with some vision in the other, and the thought scares me to death. We do ride our side-by-side recumbent tandem, but it's highly visible and about 4' wide and hard to miss. Of course, our airhorn has saved us on several occasions when drivers have pulled out of driveways totally unaware of our presence. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
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On 5/29/07, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My wife passed away at the beginning of this month while she was road bicycling... John, I am so sorry for your loss. Please know that we'll remember you and your wife in our prayers. Royce Engler
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John, We are so sorry for your loss. We will be praying for you. Craig Shirley McCluskey Los Alamos, NM
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That encapsulates it, sad as it is. I a glad I do not ride a motorcycle anymore. Things have changed from really bad to ridiculously bad. Funny, when I'm out road-riding on a bicycle, most people around here, I must admit, show the decency to pull somewhat to the left and provide safety and respect to bicyclists as they pass them. BTW, the law is something like 3 or 4 feet, and if there is not room to provide that amount of space, drivers are required to wait at a safe distance behind the bicycle until they can safely pass them - just as with slow-moving farm equipment. (And no, I am not in support of bicyclists arrogantly taking up too much space in the roadway - they do not have the right to do so). Surprisingly often, though, the drivers who do not give you a respectful berth actually are closest to you as they pass you, then you notice that they drift to the left after they are past you. No sense to it. I don't think that it's very often an intentional thing. And yes, Robert, as to your having to scurry out of the way of blissfully speeding cars (while you're pushing a baby carriage no less!!): I have recently come to recognize why speeding cars coming down my street tick me off so much. It's about a balance of power - cars against pedestrians. To quickly illustrate this, picture downtown Chicago (or Boston, where it is common knowledge that you don't step off the curb, or it's your ass) and compare it with small town rural America (as we have historically known it). In the former, the cars have the power - it is accepted that people had damn well better keep their hides out of the way of traffic, or it's curtains, and it will be the fault of the pedestrian. In the latter, the driver who hits a pedestrian would be considered reckless and a scourge to society. So when I see our rapidly growing town getting more red-light-runners and cel-phone-yapping reckless drivers, I realize that the power balance is shifting from the pedestrian to the car driver - the sad natural progression. Ranting must be done once in a while. Brian On 5/28/07, Robert Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We wont let our kids ride bikes around here except at the bike trails at the park or in the yard, it's just not safe. as much as I'd like to see the oldest boy get a bit more exercise , I'd rather not see him get flattened. Pretty sad, When I was his age , out in California, we used to ride our bikes 20 miles to the beach. I wouldn't let him try anything like that now. The last time I attempted walking in our *city* (all of about 50k people in the whole county ) downtown I was pushing a young child in a stroller and out of 6 , traffic light controlled intersections, all small 2 lane streets in an old southern downtown, I had to run, and dodge and shove the stroller out of the way to keep from getting creamed at 3 out of 6 of those crossings, while crossing on a green walk light while idiots in suvs and minivans careened around corners with cell phones glued to their faces while not even looking where they were going. Those kind of survival odds stink. It's not anyones imagination, the driver's are getting worse, and we have small colleges in this town every fall we get an even scarier batch of kids in bigger and bigger vehicles that have been handed down from their parents, migrating in from the woods. It was bad enough when they were all driving moms old toyota with no cell phones, now it's moms old monster truck with a cell phone talking or texting away, and most of those kids come from small towns where the driver's test consists of driving around the town square twice with the deputy and not hitting anything. ---Robert Mike Canfield wrote: Agreed. I ride my bike alot. Prefer to keep to seasonal back roads as there are less idiots intent on running you down. In town or on the highway I ride like every car I encounter doesn't even know I am there..Maybe they don't. Mike - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel Mileage Absolutely understandable. I always question whether I'm getting paranoid, but it seems drivers are getting worse by the month. Red light running and cel phone talking in particular. Often when I think someone is intentionally driving agressively toward me, I find a little girl yapping on a cel happily. So that's surely the one huge downside to bike riding. Brian On 5/28/07, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I sincerely wish that I could safely ride a bike around here, but with high speed SUV traffic on narrow, shoulder-free roads, it's asking for severe injury or death. Likewise it would not bother me at all to walk a couple miles to the train or bus stop to take one of them to work, beats the hell out of driving all the time. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com
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Zoltan Finks wrote: (And no, I am not in support of bicyclists arrogantly taking up too much space in the roadway - they do not have the right to do so). If there is not room to safely share the lane, the cyclist may and should ride far enough to the left to force passing traffic to wait until it is safe to change lanes to pass. It's not arrogance. Riding as far to the right as practicible does not require inviting motorists to endanger you. Mitch.
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If you don't like how I drive, stay off the sidewalk is the operative principle in Boston, where more accidents are caused by 2 drivers trying to hit the same pedestrian than for any other reason. --R (or Boston, where it is common knowledge that you don't step off the curb, or it's your ass)
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My wife passed away at the beginning of this month while she was road bicycling... She was riding home from work in Huntsville (she co-ops there, I'm in Starkville at the moment) with a friend. Its a 15 mile ride into work and there have been a group of people doing it for about three years now without incident. They take a bunch of winding two lane roads that avoid as many of the major intersections and traffic as possible. They all wear helmets. They were riding basically on the white line to let the few cars they did see have plenty of room. So they did everything right to be good safe bicyclists and avoid getting in a wreck. Accidents still happen though because for some reason (hitting the tire of the guy in front, hitting a rock in the road or something) Jenn lost control of her bike and veered into oncoming traffic. The car did her absolute best to avoid Jenn... it was the 4th car they had seen on their 8 or so miles on the road. No matter how safe you try to make things accidents still happen. Just do the best that you can and what your comfortable with. http://www.bradfordokeefe.com/obituaries/view_obit.php?id=2131 John
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Sorry for your loss, John. You just never know All anyone can do is make sure they are taking all known/reasonable precautions...you don't want to give fate an advantage. Bob R. - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 7:01 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers_was Fuel mileage My wife passed away at the beginning of this month while she was road bicycling... She was riding home from work in Huntsville (she co-ops there, I'm in Starkville at the moment) with a friend. Its a 15 mile ride into work and there have been a group of people doing it for about three years now without incident. They take a bunch of winding two lane roads that avoid as many of the major intersections and traffic as possible. They all wear helmets. They were riding basically on the white line to let the few cars they did see have plenty of room. So they did everything right to be good safe bicyclists and avoid getting in a wreck. Accidents still happen though because for some reason (hitting the tire of the guy in front, hitting a rock in the road or something) Jenn lost control of her bike and veered into oncoming traffic. The car did her absolute best to avoid Jenn... it was the 4th car they had seen on their 8 or so miles on the road. No matter how safe you try to make things accidents still happen. Just do the best that you can and what your comfortable with. http://www.bradfordokeefe.com/obituaries/view_obit.php?id=2131 John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Very sorry for your loss JohnI don't even know what to say. Best wishes, Mike - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers_was Fuel mileage My wife passed away at the beginning of this month while she was road bicycling... She was riding home from work in Huntsville (she co-ops there, I'm in Starkville at the moment) with a friend. Its a 15 mile ride into work and there have been a group of people doing it for about three years now without incident. They take a bunch of winding two lane roads that avoid as many of the major intersections and traffic as possible. They all wear helmets. They were riding basically on the white line to let the few cars they did see have plenty of room. So they did everything right to be good safe bicyclists and avoid getting in a wreck. Accidents still happen though because for some reason (hitting the tire of the guy in front, hitting a rock in the road or something) Jenn lost control of her bike and veered into oncoming traffic. The car did her absolute best to avoid Jenn... it was the 4th car they had seen on their 8 or so miles on the road. No matter how safe you try to make things accidents still happen. Just do the best that you can and what your comfortable with. http://www.bradfordokeefe.com/obituaries/view_obit.php?id=2131 John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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John, My condolences to you-I am so sorry to read this. However, thank you for sharing this-I cycle about 700 miles a season, mostly on rural roads and in a small village. After a close call last fall (Cellphone, mini van, not looking at me, etc) I started wearing HI VIZ green jersey and have a HI VIZ green helmet cover-I realize that only helps the visibility issue, not the freak accident likelihood. Best, Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D-250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles Wickford, RI-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:02 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers_was Fuel mileage My wife passed away at the beginning of this month while she was road bicycling... She was riding home from work in Huntsville (she co-ops there, I'm in Starkville at the moment) with a friend. Its a 15 mile ride into work and there have been a group of people doing it for about three years now without incident. They take a bunch of winding two lane roads that avoid as many of the major intersections and traffic as possible. They all wear helmets. They were riding basically on the white line to let the few cars they did see have plenty of room. So they did everything right to be good safe bicyclists and avoid getting in a wreck. Accidents still happen though because for some reason (hitting the tire of the guy in front, hitting a rock in the road or something) Jenn lost control of her bike and veered into oncoming traffic. The car did her absolute best to avoid Jenn... it was the 4th car they had seen on their 8 or so miles on the road. No matter how safe you try to make things accidents still happen. Just do the best that you can and what your comfortable with. http://www.bradfordokeefe.com/obituaries/view_obit.php?id=2131 John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Now that is interesting. I'll have to think about this one. I agree with the spirit of the statement, and it may be legally true, but - wow, the consequences it would bring in the form of enraged motorists. That in itself may invite the most danger? brian Mitch wrote: If there is not room to safely share the lane, the cyclist may and should ride far enough to the left to force passing traffic to wait until it is safe to change lanes to pass. It's not arrogance. Riding as far to the right as practicible does not require inviting motorists to endanger you. Mitch.
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OH my goodness, man. I don't know what to say either. I think about the possibility every time I ride. We are at a trememdous disadvantage. Brian On 5/29/07, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My wife passed away at the beginning of this month while she was road bicycling... She was riding home from work in Huntsville (she co-ops there, I'm in Starkville at the moment) with a friend. Its a 15 mile ride into work and there have been a group of people doing it for about three years now without incident. They take a bunch of winding two lane roads that avoid as many of the major intersections and traffic as possible. They all wear helmets. They were riding basically on the white line to let the few cars they did see have plenty of room. So they did everything right to be good safe bicyclists and avoid getting in a wreck. Accidents still happen though because for some reason (hitting the tire of the guy in front, hitting a rock in the road or something) Jenn lost control of her bike and veered into oncoming traffic. The car did her absolute best to avoid Jenn... it was the 4th car they had seen on their 8 or so miles on the road. No matter how safe you try to make things accidents still happen. Just do the best that you can and what your comfortable with. http://www.bradfordokeefe.com/obituaries/view_obit.php?id=2131 John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'm really sorry for your loss. I have ridden a bicycle for commutes, and day to day running around. It can get really scary. Drivers assume that they have the right of way. Even when a bicycle rider is doing the right thing there are always people that don't want to allow you to share the road. Granted, I'm slower in most cases than the rest of traffic, but I try to keep to the right as much as possible. There are times when I have to be in traffic lanes, parked cars are a huge danger. Drivers in certain areas will not let me get around a car parked on the shoulder where I try to ride as much as possible. I certainly don't want to try doing 20+ mph on the sidewalk. Would it hurt that much to tap your brakes and let me get around the car? Add in cell phones, crying kids in a minivan or SUV, or other inattentive drivers, and you have a very dangerous way to get to work. Also consider that the far right of the road can often be a really bad place to be, debris, trash, gravel, dry leaves, downed tree limbs, all collect there and add to the dangers. Motorcycle riders are generally cool, as they share many of the same dangers. I do try to follow traffic laws, although I have been known to blow through stop signs if I time it right and end up at the intersection at the same time as a car that is starting to go from the stop. On 5/29/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OH my goodness, man. I don't know what to say either. I think about the possibility every time I ride. We are at a trememdous disadvantage. Brian On 5/29/07, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My wife passed away at the beginning of this month while she was road bicycling... She was riding home from work in Huntsville (she co-ops there, I'm in Starkville at the moment) with a friend. Its a 15 mile ride into work and there have been a group of people doing it for about three years now without incident. They take a bunch of winding two lane roads that avoid as many of the major intersections and traffic as possible. They all wear helmets. They were riding basically on the white line to let the few cars they did see have plenty of room. So they did everything right to be good safe bicyclists and avoid getting in a wreck. Accidents still happen though because for some reason (hitting the tire of the guy in front, hitting a rock in the road or something) Jenn lost control of her bike and veered into oncoming traffic. The car did her absolute best to avoid Jenn... it was the 4th car they had seen on their 8 or so miles on the road. No matter how safe you try to make things accidents still happen. Just do the best that you can and what your comfortable with. http://www.bradfordokeefe.com/obituaries/view_obit.php?id=2131 John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hi, John. I'm so sorry for your loss. My wife, Ayla, has been thinking of getting a motor scooter to ride around. She's blind in one eye with some vision in the other, and the thought scares me to death. We do ride our side-by-side recumbent tandem, but it's highly visible and about 4' wide and hard to miss. Of course, our airhorn has saved us on several occasions when drivers have pulled out of driveways totally unaware of our presence. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula
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John, So sorry to learn of your loss. She sounds like a wonderful person to have known and will be dearly missed by any and all who knew her. clay On May 29, 2007, at 7:01 AM, John Robbins wrote: My wife passed away at the beginning of this month while she was road bicycling... She was riding home from work in Huntsville (she co-ops there, I'm in Starkville at the moment) with a friend. Its a 15 mile ride into work and there have been a group of people doing it for about three years now without incident. They take a bunch of winding two lane roads that avoid as many of the major intersections and traffic as possible. They all wear helmets. They were riding basically on the white line to let the few cars they did see have plenty of room. So they did everything right to be good safe bicyclists and avoid getting in a wreck. Accidents still happen though because for some reason (hitting the tire of the guy in front, hitting a rock in the road or something) Jenn lost control of her bike and veered into oncoming traffic. The car did her absolute best to avoid Jenn... it was the 4th car they had seen on their 8 or so miles on the road. No matter how safe you try to make things accidents still happen. Just do the best that you can and what your comfortable with. http://www.bradfordokeefe.com/obituaries/view_obit.php?id=2131 John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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John, I can't imagine what you have been through. My utmost sympathies. Being reminded of what can happen, I'll love mine even more. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:02 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers_was Fuel mileage My wife passed away at the beginning of this month while she was road bicycling... She was riding home from work in Huntsville (she co-ops there, I'm in Starkville at the moment) with a friend. Its a 15 mile ride into work and there have been a group of people doing it for about three years now without incident. They take a bunch of winding two lane roads that avoid as many of the major intersections and traffic as possible. They all wear helmets. They were riding basically on the white line to let the few cars they did see have plenty of room. So they did everything right to be good safe bicyclists and avoid getting in a wreck. Accidents still happen though because for some reason (hitting the tire of the guy in front, hitting a rock in the road or something) Jenn lost control of her bike and veered into oncoming traffic. The car did her absolute best to avoid Jenn... it was the 4th car they had seen on their 8 or so miles on the road. No matter how safe you try to make things accidents still happen. Just do the best that you can and what your comfortable with. http://www.bradfordokeefe.com/obituaries/view_obit.php?id=2131 John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Kevin - I surprised my wife with a scooter for Christmas two years ago. I had a very good helmet on order, but the neurosurgeon said it probably would not have helped. Someone pulled out in front of her on her first ride and she spent three days in ICU, and still suffers some effects from the traumatic brain injury. Scooters can be fun, but too easily become dangerous even if you do everything right [which my wonderful wife did not]. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Kraly Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 2:45 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers_was Fuel mileage Hi, John. I'm so sorry for your loss. My wife, Ayla, has been thinking of getting a motor scooter to ride around. She's blind in one eye with some vision in the other, and the thought scares me to death. We do ride our side-by-side recumbent tandem, but it's highly visible and about 4' wide and hard to miss. Of course, our airhorn has saved us on several occasions when drivers have pulled out of driveways totally unaware of our presence. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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John. We are so sorry for your loss. Fred and Joanne Moir. John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My wife passed away at the beginning of this month while she was road bicycling... - Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue May 29 22:54:14 2007 Received: from [142.161.130.102] (helo=mx-mtaout02.mts.net) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HtAZy-0006e8-NO for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 29 May 2007 22:54:14 + Received: from wnpgmb02-c600c.mts.net ([172.17.170.22]) by mx-mtaout02.mts.net with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 29 May 2007 17:54:09 -0500 Received: from wnpgmb09dc1-153-19.dynamic.mts.net (HELO one) ([204.112.153.19]) by wnpgmb02-c600c.mts.net with SMTP; 29 May 2007 17:54:09 -0500 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AA== X-IronPort-AV: i=4.14,590,1170655200; d=scan'208; a=188064737:sNHT28560581 From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 17:57:29 -0500 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 22:54:15 - Please bear in mind that folks who drive larger vehicles have some difficulty in safely passing you in traffic. I have had a Suburban and now a couple of F150's. I don't want to clip some poor cyclist with my mirror while trying to get around him and not hit the car/truck in the lane next to me. After holding up traffic behind me to cleanly get around the cyclist, it really irks me to have him pass me at the next light and have to do it all over again in the next block or two. I have tried pulling close to the curb before stopping to send the message but that seems to enrage cyclists and I have had them bang on my vehicle. I understand folks who wish to ride as they want the exersize or don't have a car. I have friends who do it but I don't plan to join them and I really think that city traffic is a lousy place to ride. I think a cyclist really needs to be mindful of how much bigger and heavier a truck is. I can't stop on a dime and any error on their part or my part is gonna hurt. Do do yourself a favour and stay as far away from trucks as you can. Don't push the rules of the road or your luck as you aren't going to win. Please be safe out there. I'm gonna lose sleep if I ever run one of you over. I gave up my Honda Goldwing for similar reasons. I was able to keep up with traffic obviously, but the fools in the trucks were willing to ride 2 feet from my back fender. I try to give motorcycles a whole lot of room as I remember how I felt. However, the common thing is that if I leave a little too much room, some other fool pulls into the space between me and the bike so it doesn't always do much good to be nice. Randy (climbing gingerly down from his soapbox) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:31 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers See, this is really amazing to me: It is literally expected that a bicyclist will stop way back from a red light - sometimes a half a mile or more - and wait beside the car that they are next to? And this gets confusing when you consider which car to choose to wait beside. I mean it's a law, right, so let's follow it exactly. If traffic is already stopped and backed up at a light, you are required to pull up along side the rear-most car and wait there? And if you are cruising along side traffic and it slows and stops in a line at a light, you are to find a car that is about to roll to its stop, and pick it as your car to wait beside? If it sounds crazy, I think it is! I don't consider advancing past stopped traffic at a red light passing (though I know it is legally considered so). I simply consider
