Re: [MBZ] Odo reset 190DT

2007-07-23 Thread OK Don
Paperwork. I log every gallon of fuel and every quart of oil that goes
into the car. YOu can extrapolate the miles from the fuel used -
assuming that you have an idea from previous experience of what the
fuel consumption is.
On the other hand, are you implying that you actually SELL cars? I
seem to only buy them ;-)

On 7/23/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Mine is still ticking at 340,000 kms in the 300E.  It's funny this is
 brought up as I'm looking at several cars now.  Once they say the cars odo
 doesn't work, I usually walk away from it.  Do you guys take your cars with
 brokes odos in to a shop for an oil change once in a while, just for the
 paperwork?  You would show somebody that you bought oil, but how do they
 know you haven't poured it into other cars for the past 5 years?  :-)

 Ed

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Re: [MBZ] Odo reset 190DT

2007-07-23 Thread LWB250
I do the same thing.  Any time anything is done to the
car, even something as minor as a car wash, it gets
logged.

Call it a bad habit.

Now if I could just take the time to put it all in an
Excel spreadsheet.

Dan


--- OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Paperwork. I log every gallon of fuel and every
 quart of oil that goes
 into the car. YOu can extrapolate the miles from the
 fuel used -
 assuming that you have an idea from previous
 experience of what the
 fuel consumption is.
 On the other hand, are you implying that you
 actually SELL cars? I
 seem to only buy them ;-)
 
 On 7/23/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Mine is still ticking at 340,000 kms in the 300E. 
 It's funny this is
  brought up as I'm looking at several cars now. 
 Once they say the cars odo
  doesn't work, I usually walk away from it.  Do you
 guys take your cars with
  brokes odos in to a shop for an oil change once in
 a while, just for the
  paperwork?  You would show somebody that you
 bought oil, but how do they
  know you haven't poured it into other cars for the
 past 5 years?  :-)
 
  Ed
 
 -- 
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 Norman, OK
 There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and
 statistics.
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 '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply
 Grand Voyager
 
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Re: [MBZ] Odo reset 190DT

2007-07-23 Thread E M
I just by them Don, but I looked a LOTS and I've heard so many stories, if
they can't back it up with some paperwork, I just walk.  I too keep similar
logs.  Like Dan, I can tell you every gallon of gas that has gone through my
porsche from day one, including all parts, service and even drives.  Not as
fussy with the benz and I'm in and out with it, but I certainly log all the
gas, oil, plug checks etc.  Not that it does much good with that car as
there was a gap in the paperwork.  I knew the guy I bought it off or I would
have passed on this one too.  Looking at some s Classes now, and a few
others when sellers saying all the right things to push my buttons.  The
next one will have to be fully documented, and I'm will to pay for it. :-)

Ed
300E

On 23/07/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Paperwork. I log every gallon of fuel and every quart of oil that goes
 into the car. YOu can extrapolate the miles from the fuel used -
 assuming that you have an idea from previous experience of what the
 fuel consumption is.
 On the other hand, are you implying that you actually SELL cars? I
 seem to only buy them ;-)

 On 7/23/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Mine is still ticking at 340,000 kms in the 300E.  It's funny this is
  brought up as I'm looking at several cars now.  Once they say the cars
 odo
  doesn't work, I usually walk away from it.  Do you guys take your cars
 with
  brokes odos in to a shop for an oil change once in a while, just for the
  paperwork?  You would show somebody that you bought oil, but how do they
  know you haven't poured it into other cars for the past 5 years?  :-)
 
  Ed

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Re: [MBZ] Odo reset 190DT

2007-07-23 Thread Hendrik Riessen
I've got one in my 230E that says 430,000kmhs, it may die tommorrow or in 20 
years time but it will fail (well I think it is starting to slip, so 
tommorrow is probably a better guess than 20 years).
Perhaps the previous owner of the 230TE, that odo came from never used the 
reset button, no way of knowing really.
- Original Message - 
From: Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Odo reset 190DT


 on my former 300D, both odos were still working perfectly at 292Kmi.

 On 7/22/07, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That's like asking, If I change my oil regularly will my engine never
 break?
 Unfortunatley with the mechanical odo's they will break eventually, even
 if
 you only reset when stopped. It is a ordinary design and there is no way
 of
 fixing that.
 What I am saying is that conventional wisdom is to reset tripmeters when
 they are not turning.
 Whether you do or not is up to you, just like changing the oil is up to
 you.

 - Original Message -
 From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 11:30 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Odo reset 190DT


  So if you only reset the trip counter when the vehicle is stationary
  does this GUARANTEE that the odometer will NEVER break???
 

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Re: [MBZ] Odo reset 190DT

2007-07-23 Thread andrew strasfogel
I swapped out a combination gauge (with a dead clock) in the SWMBO 1985
300CD turbodiesel coupe Saturday at an MB Club DIY tech session.  After I
reinstalled the instrument cluster the temp gauge and fuel gauge now bounce
around erratically and the glow plug light comes on intermittently.  I am
now officially in the doghouse (even though the clock works) until I fix
this new problem.  Any suggestions are gratefully appreciated...?

On 7/23/07, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've got one in my 230E that says 430,000kmhs, it may die tommorrow or in
 20
 years time but it will fail (well I think it is starting to slip, so
 tommorrow is probably a better guess than 20 years).
 Perhaps the previous owner of the 230TE, that odo came from never used the
 reset button, no way of knowing really.
 - Original Message -
 From: Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 1:12 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Odo reset 190DT


  on my former 300D, both odos were still working perfectly at 292Kmi.
 
  On 7/22/07, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  That's like asking, If I change my oil regularly will my engine never
  break?
  Unfortunatley with the mechanical odo's they will break eventually,
 even
  if
  you only reset when stopped. It is a ordinary design and there is no
 way
  of
  fixing that.
  What I am saying is that conventional wisdom is to reset tripmeters
 when
  they are not turning.
  Whether you do or not is up to you, just like changing the oil is up to
  you.
 
  - Original Message -
  From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 11:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Odo reset 190DT
 
 
   So if you only reset the trip counter when the vehicle is stationary
   does this GUARANTEE that the odometer will NEVER break???
  
 
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Re: [MBZ] Odo reset 190DT

2007-07-23 Thread Hendrik Riessen
The 123's where the worst affected out of all MB's in regards to odo 
failure, guess they had a few too many come back broken and decided to 
increase quality standards.
However the 124 and 201 chassis have not yet done the avearge mileage of the 
123 chassis.

- Original Message - 
From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Odo reset 190DT


 Mine is still ticking at 340,000 kms in the 300E.  It's funny this is
 brought up as I'm looking at several cars now.  Once they say the cars odo
 doesn't work, I usually walk away from it.  Do you guys take your cars 
 with
 brokes odos in to a shop for an oil change once in a while, just for the
 paperwork?  You would show somebody that you bought oil, but how do they
 know you haven't poured it into other cars for the past 5 years?  :-)

 Ed
 300E-334,000 kms  odo working
 911SC-58,000 kms  yes, that odo is correct and working too. hee hee


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Re: [MBZ] Odo reset 190DT

2007-07-23 Thread LWB250
I just got into the habit of keeping a little address
type binder (one of those little 3-ring things) in my
driver's map pocket.  When I get in the car first
thing in the morning, I record the date and mileage.

If I get gas, I record that, and write the mileage on
the receipt.

If I do any work on the car, I'll write it down under
that day's entry.  I don't go so far as to record
costs for things like oil and filters, but if I had to
come up with numbers I could get pretty close.  I have
a file folder in my desk that I toss all the receipts
in, so I've got the details if I need them.

Dan



--- E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I just by them Don, but I looked a LOTS and I've
 heard so many stories, if
 they can't back it up with some paperwork, I just
 walk.  I too keep similar
 logs.  Like Dan, I can tell you every gallon of gas
 that has gone through my
 porsche from day one, including all parts, service
 and even drives.  Not as
 fussy with the benz and I'm in and out with it, but
 I certainly log all the
 gas, oil, plug checks etc.  Not that it does much
 good with that car as
 there was a gap in the paperwork.  I knew the guy I
 bought it off or I would
 have passed on this one too.  Looking at some s
 Classes now, and a few
 others when sellers saying all the right things to
 push my buttons.  The
 next one will have to be fully documented, and I'm
 will to pay for it. :-)
 
 Ed
 300E
 
 On 23/07/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Paperwork. I log every gallon of fuel and every
 quart of oil that goes
  into the car. YOu can extrapolate the miles from
 the fuel used -
  assuming that you have an idea from previous
 experience of what the
  fuel consumption is.
  On the other hand, are you implying that you
 actually SELL cars? I
  seem to only buy them ;-)
 
  On 7/23/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Mine is still ticking at 340,000 kms in the
 300E.  It's funny this is
   brought up as I'm looking at several cars now. 
 Once they say the cars
  odo
   doesn't work, I usually walk away from it.  Do
 you guys take your cars
  with
   brokes odos in to a shop for an oil change once
 in a while, just for the
   paperwork?  You would show somebody that you
 bought oil, but how do they
   know you haven't poured it into other cars for
 the past 5 years?  :-)
  
   Ed
 
  --
  OK Don, KD5NRO
  Norman, OK
  There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies,
 and statistics.
  -Benjamin Disraeli
  '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97
 Ply Grand Voyager
 
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Re: [MBZ] Odo reset 190DT

2007-07-23 Thread Tom Hargrave
And the failure has nothing to do with when the reset button is set.

Thanks, Tom
256-656-1924

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Sent: 7/22/07 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Odo reset 190DT

All VDO odometers eventually fail, although mine in the 300D is going 
on 270,000 miles with no trouble yet.  The one in the TE croaked at 
less than 200,000 -- trip odometer won't flip over past 0.9 miles.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] Odo reset 190DT

2007-07-22 Thread andrew strasfogel
So if you only reset the trip counter when the vehicle is stationary
does this GUARANTEE that the odometer will NEVER break???

On 7/19/07, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 However it is good practise to only reset the tripmeter when the car is
 stopped, particularly on the 123 chassis.
 A good driver shouldn't be fiddling with reset buttons while they are
 driving anyway.
 I know, I know, most drivers do anything but drive. They do things like read
 the newspaper, talk/text on the phone, do the nails, fiddle with the stereo,
 eat/drink, have sex, etc, etc
 Then when the big bang occurs they come out with the old I only took my
 eyes off the road for a second, which is all very nice except for the dead
 kid who was just chasing his football.
 I don't know the situation over there but here the authorities are busy
 dumbing down the laws to take into account peoples stupidity. Some roads
 around town you can only 40k's an hour and getting caught talking on the
 phone is a couple of hundred bucks. There was just a case where someone got
 fined for talking on his hands free because the police deemed pushing the
 talk button on the phone was illegal. Kinda stupid when you consider that
 you can fiddle with the radio all day long.

 - Original Message -
 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 'Frederick Moir' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Mercedes Discussion List'
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 7:11 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Odo reset 190DT


  There is nothing in the mechanism that will cause the button to stick or
  fail only when you are moving.
 
  Thanks, Tom
  256-656-1924
 

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Re: [MBZ] Odo reset 190DT

2007-07-22 Thread Allan Streib
andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 So if you only reset the trip counter when the vehicle is stationary
 does this GUARANTEE that the odometer will NEVER break???

No.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1966 230

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Re: [MBZ] Odo reset 190DT

2007-07-22 Thread Peter Frederick
All VDO odometers eventually fail, although mine in the 300D is going 
on 270,000 miles with no trouble yet.  The one in the TE croaked at 
less than 200,000 -- trip odometer won't flip over past 0.9 miles.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] Odo reset 190DT

2007-07-22 Thread Chuck Landenberger
Andrew..

About as much as there is a GUARANTEE that if you eat and drink some  
prescribed diet, you will live forever!

There are NO NEVER BREAK or LIVE FOREVER Guarantees.

But, you can replace your broken Craftsman wrench w/no concern as to  
calendar  Your offspring can do that!

Hope all is well w/you in the DC Maelstrom.

Chuck
Phoenix AZ...

On Jul 22, 2007, at 7:00 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

 So if you only reset the trip counter when the vehicle is stationary
 does this GUARANTEE that the odometer will NEVER break???



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Re: [MBZ] Odo reset 190DT

2007-07-22 Thread Hendrik Riessen
That's like asking, If I change my oil regularly will my engine never 
break?
Unfortunatley with the mechanical odo's they will break eventually, even if 
you only reset when stopped. It is a ordinary design and there is no way of 
fixing that.
What I am saying is that conventional wisdom is to reset tripmeters when 
they are not turning.
Whether you do or not is up to you, just like changing the oil is up to you.

- Original Message - 
From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Odo reset 190DT


 So if you only reset the trip counter when the vehicle is stationary
 does this GUARANTEE that the odometer will NEVER break???


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Re: [MBZ] Odo reset 190DT

2007-07-22 Thread Sunil Hari
on my former 300D, both odos were still working perfectly at 292Kmi.

On 7/22/07, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That's like asking, If I change my oil regularly will my engine never
 break?
 Unfortunatley with the mechanical odo's they will break eventually, even
 if
 you only reset when stopped. It is a ordinary design and there is no way
 of
 fixing that.
 What I am saying is that conventional wisdom is to reset tripmeters when
 they are not turning.
 Whether you do or not is up to you, just like changing the oil is up to
 you.

 - Original Message -
 From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 11:30 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Odo reset 190DT


  So if you only reset the trip counter when the vehicle is stationary
  does this GUARANTEE that the odometer will NEVER break???
 

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Re: [MBZ] Odo reset 190DT

2007-07-22 Thread OK Don
The only odo that I have that works is in the oldest car - the '78
SLC.  They don't make 'em like they used to.

On 7/22/07, Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on my former 300D, both odos were still working perfectly at 292Kmi.


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Re: [MBZ] Odo reset 190DT

2007-07-22 Thread Jim Cathey
 All VDO odometers eventually fail, although mine in the 300D is going
 on 270,000 miles with no trouble yet.  The one in the TE croaked at
 less than 200,000 -- trip odometer won't flip over past 0.9 miles.

The Chicken Wagon's odometer has finally succumbed to this malady.
It's the first such failure in our stable.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Odo reset 190DT

2007-07-22 Thread E M
Mine is still ticking at 340,000 kms in the 300E.  It's funny this is
brought up as I'm looking at several cars now.  Once they say the cars odo
doesn't work, I usually walk away from it.  Do you guys take your cars with
brokes odos in to a shop for an oil change once in a while, just for the
paperwork?  You would show somebody that you bought oil, but how do they
know you haven't poured it into other cars for the past 5 years?  :-)

Ed
300E-334,000 kms  odo working
911SC-58,000 kms  yes, that odo is correct and working too. hee hee

On 23/07/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The only odo that I have that works is in the oldest car - the '78
 SLC.  They don't make 'em like they used to.

 On 7/22/07, Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  on my former 300D, both odos were still working perfectly at 292Kmi.
 

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 OK Don, KD5NRO
 Norman, OK
 There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics.
 -Benjamin Disraeli
 '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager

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[MBZ] Odo reset 190DT

2007-07-19 Thread Frederick Moir
Hi, All.
My odo is stuck between 000 and 009 and the button stayed down, the direct 
result of not thinking and resetting the odo while moving. I'd venture that is 
not so much a myth as not enough people have broken their odo whilst moving to 
convince the skeptics.
My $0.002
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
190DT '87 140Kmi
300TD '85 ~140kmi

Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Craig McCluskey  writes:

 It's been mentioned countless times on this list that resetting the
 trip odometer while in motion breaks things.



   
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Re: [MBZ] Odo reset 190DT

2007-07-19 Thread Tom Hargrave
There is nothing in the mechanism that will cause the button to stick or
fail only when you are moving.

Thanks, Tom
256-656-1924

-Original Message-
From: Frederick Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: 7/19/07 8:49 AM
Subject: [MBZ]   Odo reset 190DT

Hi, All.
My odo is stuck between 000 and 009 and the button stayed down, the
direct result of not thinking and resetting the odo while moving. I'd
venture that is not so much a myth as not enough people have broken
their odo whilst moving to convince the skeptics.
My $0.002
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
190DT '87 140Kmi
300TD '85 ~140kmi

Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Craig McCluskey  writes:

 It's been mentioned countless times on this list that resetting the
 trip odometer while in motion breaks things.



   
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Re: [MBZ] Odo reset 190DT

2007-07-19 Thread Hendrik Riessen
However it is good practise to only reset the tripmeter when the car is 
stopped, particularly on the 123 chassis.
A good driver shouldn't be fiddling with reset buttons while they are 
driving anyway.
I know, I know, most drivers do anything but drive. They do things like read 
the newspaper, talk/text on the phone, do the nails, fiddle with the stereo, 
eat/drink, have sex, etc, etc
Then when the big bang occurs they come out with the old I only took my 
eyes off the road for a second, which is all very nice except for the dead 
kid who was just chasing his football.
I don't know the situation over there but here the authorities are busy 
dumbing down the laws to take into account peoples stupidity. Some roads 
around town you can only 40k's an hour and getting caught talking on the 
phone is a couple of hundred bucks. There was just a case where someone got 
fined for talking on his hands free because the police deemed pushing the 
talk button on the phone was illegal. Kinda stupid when you consider that 
you can fiddle with the radio all day long.

- Original Message - 
From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Frederick Moir' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Mercedes Discussion List' 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Odo reset 190DT


 There is nothing in the mechanism that will cause the button to stick or
 fail only when you are moving.

 Thanks, Tom
 256-656-1924


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