Re: [MBZ] Old crash pics
I suspect that a side slide into a pole like that at high speed would be lethal in just about any vehicle. A few years back, I saw a Ford Aerostar van in a junk yard that had taken a hard hit on the passenger side just behind the front door. I have no idea what it hit or what hit it, but I was surprised by the damage. The intrusion went almost all of the way to the other side of the van. I would not have wanted to be a passenger in the back part of the vehicle. RB On 14/09/2014 11:01 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: Scroll down the comments for some of an old Benz wrapped around a pole. Scary stuff http://jalopnik.com/crash-photos-from-the-beginning-of-motoring-are-stunnin-1634373883 --R ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Old crash pics
Back in 1990, I rear ended a Lexus in my 1971 300SE L 3.5 sedan while driving my 11 yo son to school - totally my fault. It bent the frame but we were both unhurt. Total repair cost was $3,700, covered by insurance. Lexus repair to the rear bumper and associated sheet metal amounted to $1500. On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I suspect that a side slide into a pole like that at high speed would be lethal in just about any vehicle. A few years back, I saw a Ford Aerostar van in a junk yard that had taken a hard hit on the passenger side just behind the front door. I have no idea what it hit or what hit it, but I was surprised by the damage. The intrusion went almost all of the way to the other side of the van. I would not have wanted to be a passenger in the back part of the vehicle. RB On 14/09/2014 11:01 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: Scroll down the comments for some of an old Benz wrapped around a pole. Scary stuff http://jalopnik.com/crash-photos-from-the-beginning-of- motoring-are-stunnin-1634373883 --R ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Old crash pics
Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: I suspect that a side slide into a pole like that at high speed would be lethal in just about any vehicle. A few years back, I saw a Ford Aerostar van in a junk yard that had taken a hard hit on the passenger side just behind the front door. I have no idea what it hit or what hit it, but I was surprised by the damage. The intrusion went almost all of the way to the other side of the van. I would not have wanted to be a passenger in the back part of the vehicle. RB Somebody here took a E350 work van full of tools in the driver's door of his W124 300D at a claimed 50-60mph without injury other than from shattered glass. IIRC the left side of the dash was messed up too badly to shut the engine off without going under the hood to hit the shutoff lever on the IP. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Old crash pics
All good reasons to go by your dealer and get your Rescue Assist stickers for cars newer than 1990. Just put mine on the S420 yesterday. I feel safer already. Dan Sent from my iPad On Sep 15, 2014, at 1:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Back in 1990, I rear ended a Lexus in my 1971 300SE L 3.5 sedan while driving my 11 yo son to school - totally my fault. It bent the frame but we were both unhurt. Total repair cost was $3,700, covered by insurance. Lexus repair to the rear bumper and associated sheet metal amounted to $1500. On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I suspect that a side slide into a pole like that at high speed would be lethal in just about any vehicle. A few years back, I saw a Ford Aerostar van in a junk yard that had taken a hard hit on the passenger side just behind the front door. I have no idea what it hit or what hit it, but I was surprised by the damage. The intrusion went almost all of the way to the other side of the van. I would not have wanted to be a passenger in the back part of the vehicle. RB On 14/09/2014 11:01 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: Scroll down the comments for some of an old Benz wrapped around a pole. Scary stuff http://jalopnik.com/crash-photos-from-the-beginning-of- motoring-are-stunnin-1634373883 --R ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Old crash pics
I never heard of these stickers. Why wouldn't my 123 diesels qualify for one? On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: All good reasons to go by your dealer and get your Rescue Assist stickers for cars newer than 1990. Just put mine on the S420 yesterday. I feel safer already. Dan Sent from my iPad On Sep 15, 2014, at 1:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Back in 1990, I rear ended a Lexus in my 1971 300SE L 3.5 sedan while driving my 11 yo son to school - totally my fault. It bent the frame but we were both unhurt. Total repair cost was $3,700, covered by insurance. Lexus repair to the rear bumper and associated sheet metal amounted to $1500. On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I suspect that a side slide into a pole like that at high speed would be lethal in just about any vehicle. A few years back, I saw a Ford Aerostar van in a junk yard that had taken a hard hit on the passenger side just behind the front door. I have no idea what it hit or what hit it, but I was surprised by the damage. The intrusion went almost all of the way to the other side of the van. I would not have wanted to be a passenger in the back part of the vehicle. RB On 14/09/2014 11:01 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: Scroll down the comments for some of an old Benz wrapped around a pole. Scary stuff http://jalopnik.com/crash-photos-from-the-beginning-of- motoring-are-stunnin-1634373883 --R ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Old crash pics
On 15/09/2014 12:11 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: I suspect that a side slide into a pole like that at high speed would be lethal in just about any vehicle. A few years back, I saw a Ford Aerostar van in a junk yard that had taken a hard hit on the passenger side just behind the front door. I have no idea what it hit or what hit it, but I was surprised by the damage. The intrusion went almost all of the way to the other side of the van. I would not have wanted to be a passenger in the back part of the vehicle. RB Somebody here took a E350 work van full of tools in the driver's door of his W124 300D at a claimed 50-60mph without injury other than from shattered glass. IIRC the left side of the dash was messed up too badly to shut the engine off without going under the hood to hit the shutoff lever on the IP. Mitch. I suspect it helped that the 300D was not fixed and moved with the van. In the photo of the old crash, you will note that the pole did not appear to move at all. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Old crash pics
1.) Because they're not making them for models produced before 1990 2.) Other than the fuel tank and battery, both of which are in common locations, your W123 has no explosive devices like air bags or squibs for locking the seat belts The idea behind these is to let rescue/extraction folks know where the nasty stuff is in the car so they don't set it off with their Hurst tools. MBUSA has a good video about this on their website. I have to admit it never occurred to me that there's all sorts of nasty stuff buried in newer model cars. In the video a fire rescue guy talks about what it would be like if they were trying to remove you from a wrecked vehicle and they set off a side airbag in the process. Ouch. Dan Sent from my iPad On Sep 15, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I never heard of these stickers. Why wouldn't my 123 diesels qualify for one? On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: All good reasons to go by your dealer and get your Rescue Assist stickers for cars newer than 1990. Just put mine on the S420 yesterday. I feel safer already. Dan Sent from my iPad On Sep 15, 2014, at 1:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Back in 1990, I rear ended a Lexus in my 1971 300SE L 3.5 sedan while driving my 11 yo son to school - totally my fault. It bent the frame but we were both unhurt. Total repair cost was $3,700, covered by insurance. Lexus repair to the rear bumper and associated sheet metal amounted to $1500. On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I suspect that a side slide into a pole like that at high speed would be lethal in just about any vehicle. A few years back, I saw a Ford Aerostar van in a junk yard that had taken a hard hit on the passenger side just behind the front door. I have no idea what it hit or what hit it, but I was surprised by the damage. The intrusion went almost all of the way to the other side of the van. I would not have wanted to be a passenger in the back part of the vehicle. RB On 14/09/2014 11:01 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: Scroll down the comments for some of an old Benz wrapped around a pole. Scary stuff http://jalopnik.com/crash-photos-from-the-beginning-of- motoring-are-stunnin-1634373883 --R ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Old crash pics
The width (or lack thereof) of the pole ought to play into it also no? -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Old crash pics On 15/09/2014 12:11 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: I suspect that a side slide into a pole like that at high speed would be lethal in just about any vehicle. A few years back, I saw a Ford Aerostar van in a junk yard that had taken a hard hit on the passenger side just behind the front door. I have no idea what it hit or what hit it, but I was surprised by the damage. The intrusion went almost all of the way to the other side of the van. I would not have wanted to be a passenger in the back part of the vehicle. RB Somebody here took a E350 work van full of tools in the driver's door of his W124 300D at a claimed 50-60mph without injury other than from shattered glass. IIRC the left side of the dash was messed up too badly to shut the engine off without going under the hood to hit the shutoff lever on the IP. Mitch. I suspect it helped that the 300D was not fixed and moved with the van. In the photo of the old crash, you will note that the pole did not appear to move at all. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Old crash pics
I am not an engineer, but that makes sense to me too. RB On 15/09/2014 1:30 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: The width (or lack thereof) of the pole ought to play into it also no? -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Old crash pics On 15/09/2014 12:11 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: I suspect that a side slide into a pole like that at high speed would be lethal in just about any vehicle. A few years back, I saw a Ford Aerostar van in a junk yard that had taken a hard hit on the passenger side just behind the front door. I have no idea what it hit or what hit it, but I was surprised by the damage. The intrusion went almost all of the way to the other side of the van. I would not have wanted to be a passenger in the back part of the vehicle. RB Somebody here took a E350 work van full of tools in the driver's door of his W124 300D at a claimed 50-60mph without injury other than from shattered glass. IIRC the left side of the dash was messed up too badly to shut the engine off without going under the hood to hit the shutoff lever on the IP. Mitch. I suspect it helped that the 300D was not fixed and moved with the van. In the photo of the old crash, you will note that the pole did not appear to move at all. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Old crash pics
Years ago a kid ran his car across my parent's yard totaling both their cars, this was after skating between a telephone pole and guy wire. If he'd hit the pole or wire very bad things would have happened. The police estimated his speed when he left the road at 70mph. Surprisingly he survived with nary a scratch. -Curt From: Fred Moir fredh.s...@hotmail.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 3:29 PM Subject: RE: [MBZ] Old crash pics Alles. The support cable behind the pole would have cut like a knife. Hope that there was no-one in the back seat! Fred Moir. Lynn MA. Diesel preferred. Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 11:30:28 -0700 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Old crash pics From: mercedes@okiebenz.com The width (or lack thereof) of the pole ought to play into it also no? -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Old crash pics
I was hit by a Chevy 3500 series van driven by a heating and air guy a few years back -- he was running about 60 and ran a stop light. I still have pics somewhere, but the front edge driver's door was pushed in about 18. Quite the ride, I really don't recommend crash testing your car. It's fairly difficult to get killed in a Benz. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Old crash pics
Oh, and the keyswitch worked to shut off the engine when someone found a long pair of needlenosed pliers to turn it. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Old crash pics
Scroll down the comments for some of an old Benz wrapped around a pole. Scary stuff http://jalopnik.com/crash-photos-from-the-beginning-of-motoring-are-stunnin-1634373883 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Old crash pics
That Benz isn't that old... It used unibody/subframe construction... I wonder how fast the driver was going before the wreck... It looks like excessive speed for road conditions was definitely a factor... -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Sep 14, 2014, at 12:01, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Scroll down the comments for some of an old Benz wrapped around a pole. Scary stuff http://jalopnik.com/crash-photos-from-the-beginning-of-motoring-are-stunnin-1634373883 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I thought w115s were tough??!! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 14, 2014, at 12:01 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Scroll down the comments for some of an old Benz wrapped around a pole. Scary stuff http://jalopnik.com/crash-photos-from-the-beginning-of-motoring-are-stunnin-1634373883 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Old crash pics
i got hit pretty hard once in a 115 by a late model nissan maxima and the 115 could still be driven after, albeit with an obliterated driver's side On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 1:19 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I thought w115s were tough??!! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 14, 2014, at 12:01 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Scroll down the comments for some of an old Benz wrapped around a pole. Scary stuff http://jalopnik.com/crash-photos-from-the-beginning-of-motoring-are-stunnin-1634373883 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
