Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test-now Servo Repair

2009-10-15 Thread Peter Frederick
Alum should remove the screw, or at least corrode it enough to get it  
loose.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test

2009-10-15 Thread LarryT
I got the info from another list (MGB)  - you saw all I saw.  I also wish 
there were some ASTM testing stadards for something like this but I don't 
recall any.  That doesn't mean much though - I was interested in valves and 
piping and other stuff used in nuclear submarines.  Rust wasn't normally a 
problem -


Wish I knew more  -
LarryT
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That quotes the same article I sent to the list a year ago or so ---

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:40 PM, LarryT  wrote:


Found this on a MGB list I'm on.  Don't know how scientific it is but it
seems convincing.

Here's some interesting
comparisons on penetrating oils.

Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out
torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular
penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut
from a
"scientifically rusted" environment.

*Penetrating Oil and Average Load*

Nothing. 516 pounds

WD-40... 238 pounds

PB Blaster 214 pounds

Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds

Kano Kroil... 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50-50 automatic transmission
fluid and acetone. Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial
product in this one particular test. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
about as
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.

Take care -
Larryt
74 911
91 300D


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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test-now Servo Repair

2009-10-15 Thread Greg Fiorentino
I am in the process of rebuilding the climate control servo for the wife's
'79 300TD.  I have 2 servos from which I hope to make one good one.  The
"good" upper unit, which houses the gear train has a machine screw sheared
off at the surface of the plastic housing.  Who knew that about 1/4" of
screw threads in the plastic would hold well enough to shear an 8X32 screw
(even AFTER soaking with PB Blaster!)?  Drilling it out did not seem like a
good option because of the softness of the surrounding plastic, nor is the
blue wrench usable.

Battery acid didn't do much.  My next try is a saturated solution of alum
with an overnight soak.  I have read reports that this will dissolve steel,
and I know it won't hurt the plastic.

If anyone has an interest, I'll report how it turns out!

Greg Fiorentino
'85 300SD
'80 240D 4 spd. manual
'79 300TD (with new crate engine)
'95 and '97 Crown Vics
'97 F-250HD Crew Cab 7.3 Powerstroke

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Subject: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test

Found this on a MGB list I'm on.  Don't know how scientific it is but it
seems convincing.

Here's some interesting 
comparisons on penetrating oils.

Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out 
torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular 
penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from
a 
"scientifically rusted" environment.

*Penetrating Oil and Average Load*

Nothing. 516 pounds

WD-40... 238 pounds

PB Blaster 214 pounds

Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds

Kano Kroil... 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50-50 automatic transmission 
fluid and acetone. Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial 
product in this one particular test. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is about
as 
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.

Take care - 
Larryt
74 911
91 300D

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[MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test

2009-10-15 Thread glenn brown

Since this was supposedly a "scientifically rusted" environment test, it would 
be nice to know what the standard deviation is/was in this testing as I'm 
having a hard time believing that something as useless as Liquid Wrench 
performed as well as it did.

 

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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test

2009-10-15 Thread tyler
Do you have any more info on this? It's REALLY interesting, but I'm 
surprised PB Blaster doesn't do much more than WD-40- so I want to know 
what their methods are. I love that the cheapest thing on the list 
actually works the best by far!


My experience is that PB Blaster works really well, but needs a very 
long period of soaking (overnight, or even a week) to work properly. 
When I take an exhaust manifold off, I'll usually soak it everyday with 
PB for a week before the job, and the bolts will feel nearly hand tight 
at the end- when I'm certain the studs would have just broken off 
without the PB Blaster.


Tyler

LarryT wrote:

Found this on a MGB list I'm on.  Don't know how scientific it is but it seems 
convincing.

Here's some interesting 
comparisons on penetrating oils.


Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out 
torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular 
penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a 
"scientifically rusted" environment.


*Penetrating Oil and Average Load*

Nothing. 516 pounds

WD-40... 238 pounds

PB Blaster 214 pounds

Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds

Kano Kroil... 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50-50 automatic transmission 
fluid and acetone. Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial 
product in this one particular test. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is about as 
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.


Take care - 
Larryt

74 911
91 300D

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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test

2009-10-15 Thread OK Don
That quotes the same article I sent to the list a year ago or so ---

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:40 PM, LarryT  wrote:

> Found this on a MGB list I'm on.  Don't know how scientific it is but it
> seems convincing.
>
> Here's some interesting
> comparisons on penetrating oils.
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out
> torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular
> penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut
> from a
> "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
> *Penetrating Oil and Average Load*
>
> Nothing. 516 pounds
>
> WD-40... 238 pounds
>
> PB Blaster 214 pounds
>
> Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds
>
> Kano Kroil... 106 pounds
>
> ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50-50 automatic transmission
> fluid and acetone. Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial
> product in this one particular test. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about as
> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>
> Take care -
> Larryt
> 74 911
> 91 300D
>
>
> --
> OK Don
> CONSERVATIVE, n.  A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as
> distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with
> others.
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> Ambrose Bierce
>
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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test

2009-10-15 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
When I was learning to wrench on rusty air-cooled VW's in Wisconsin,
Liquid WRENCH didn't seem to work very well (but the blue wrench was a
lifesaver).  The other trick that worked if you had the clearance was to
deeply grove one face of the rusted nut with a cold chisel, grove
aligned with stud axis.  This was a great way to expand the nut a little
and break the rust bond. Thusly one could avoid twisting off the studs
holding the muffler to the heads.

Max

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test

Thanks Larry,
Good to know-I grew up on liquid wrench.
Dwight 

Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Wickford RI 02852
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Subject: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test

Found this on a MGB list I'm on.  Don't know how scientific it is but it
seems convincing.

Here's some interesting
comparisons on penetrating oils.

Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out
torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the
popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove
the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.

*Penetrating Oil and Average Load*

Nothing. 516 pounds

WD-40... 238 pounds

PB Blaster 214 pounds

Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds

Kano Kroil... 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50-50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone. Note the "home brew" was better than any
commercial product in this one particular test. Note also that "Liquid
Wrench" is about as good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.

Take care -
Larryt
74 911
91 300D

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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test

2009-10-15 Thread Allan Streib
No you can buy acetone at any paint store or most hardware stores.

Allan

On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:49 -0400, "Dillon, Meade M CIV 
SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310"  wrote:
> Did you use fingernail polish remover for the acetone source, or
> something else?
> 
> Max 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
> [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:43 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test
> 
> I used the ATF/Acetone on my oil line fittings before I changed the
> lines.  Had no trouble with them at all.
> 
> Allan
> --
> 1983 300D
> 
> 
> On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:40 -0400, "LarryT"  wrote:
> > Found this on a MGB list I'm on.  Don't know how scientific it is but 
> > it seems convincing.
> > 
> > Here's some interesting
> > comparisons on penetrating oils.
> > 
> > Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out
> 
> > torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the 
> > popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to 
> > remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
> > 
> > *Penetrating Oil and Average Load*
> > 
> > Nothing. 516 pounds
> > 
> > WD-40... 238 pounds
> > 
> > PB Blaster 214 pounds
> > 
> > Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds
> > 
> > Kano Kroil... 106 pounds
> > 
> > ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds
> > 
> > The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50-50 automatic 
> > transmission fluid and acetone. Note the "home brew" was better than 
> > any commercial product in this one particular test. Note also that 
> > "Liquid Wrench" is about as good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the 
> > price.
> > 
> > Take care -
> > Larryt
> > 74 911
> > 91 300D
> > 
> > Does your business accept or need to
> > accept V/MC/AE/Dis?  We have the
> > best rates & 0% Interest Business loans.
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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test

2009-10-15 Thread Dwight E. Giles, Jr
Thanks Larry,
Good to know-I grew up on liquid wrench.
Dwight 

Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Wickford RI 02852
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On Behalf Of LarryT
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:41 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com; 911/993/996
Subject: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test

Found this on a MGB list I'm on.  Don't know how scientific it is but it
seems convincing.

Here's some interesting 
comparisons on penetrating oils.

Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out 
torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular 
penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from
a 
"scientifically rusted" environment.

*Penetrating Oil and Average Load*

Nothing. 516 pounds

WD-40... 238 pounds

PB Blaster 214 pounds

Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds

Kano Kroil... 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50-50 automatic transmission 
fluid and acetone. Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial 
product in this one particular test. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is about
as 
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.

Take care - 
Larryt
74 911
91 300D

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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test

2009-10-15 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
Did you use fingernail polish remover for the acetone source, or
something else?

Max 

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Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test

I used the ATF/Acetone on my oil line fittings before I changed the
lines.  Had no trouble with them at all.

Allan
--
1983 300D


On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:40 -0400, "LarryT"  wrote:
> Found this on a MGB list I'm on.  Don't know how scientific it is but 
> it seems convincing.
> 
> Here's some interesting
> comparisons on penetrating oils.
> 
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out

> torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the 
> popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to 
> remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
> 
> *Penetrating Oil and Average Load*
> 
> Nothing. 516 pounds
> 
> WD-40... 238 pounds
> 
> PB Blaster 214 pounds
> 
> Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds
> 
> Kano Kroil... 106 pounds
> 
> ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds
> 
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50-50 automatic 
> transmission fluid and acetone. Note the "home brew" was better than 
> any commercial product in this one particular test. Note also that 
> "Liquid Wrench" is about as good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the 
> price.
> 
> Take care -
> Larryt
> 74 911
> 91 300D
> 
> Does your business accept or need to
> accept V/MC/AE/Dis?  We have the
> best rates & 0% Interest Business loans.
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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test

2009-10-15 Thread Allan Streib
I used the ATF/Acetone on my oil line fittings before I changed the lines.  Had 
no trouble with them at all.

Allan
--
1983 300D


On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:40 -0400, "LarryT"  wrote:
> Found this on a MGB list I'm on.  Don't know how scientific it is but it
> seems convincing.
> 
> Here's some interesting 
> comparisons on penetrating oils.
> 
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out 
> torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular 
> penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut
> from a 
> "scientifically rusted" environment.
> 
> *Penetrating Oil and Average Load*
> 
> Nothing. 516 pounds
> 
> WD-40... 238 pounds
> 
> PB Blaster 214 pounds
> 
> Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds
> 
> Kano Kroil... 106 pounds
> 
> ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds
> 
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50-50 automatic transmission 
> fluid and acetone. Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial 
> product in this one particular test. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about as 
> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
> 
> Take care - 
> Larryt
> 74 911
> 91 300D
> 
> Does your business accept or need to
> accept V/MC/AE/Dis?  We have the 
> best rates & 0% Interest Business loans.
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[MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test

2009-10-15 Thread LarryT
Found this on a MGB list I'm on.  Don't know how scientific it is but it seems 
convincing.

Here's some interesting 
comparisons on penetrating oils.

Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out 
torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular 
penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a 
"scientifically rusted" environment.

*Penetrating Oil and Average Load*

Nothing. 516 pounds

WD-40... 238 pounds

PB Blaster 214 pounds

Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds

Kano Kroil... 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50-50 automatic transmission 
fluid and acetone. Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial 
product in this one particular test. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is about as 
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.

Take care - 
Larryt
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