Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
Remember when it was inexpensive to run a diesel? It was time to fill up the Dodge Cummins' fuel tank today, ouch ouch OUCH!!! I noticed that Diesel here in Hillsboro, OR was $3.99/gal! At that price, it's just as expensive to run as it's gas counterpart. I'm still glad that I didn't buy the Hemi 1500 although it had the towing capacity to pull the 7500# travel trailer. There's nothin' like the sound and torque of the Diesel! Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
I happen to like the VNT/VGT technology. The big truck 2003 Cummins ISX engine started to use them and they are SWEET. No turbo lag, TONS of boost. I'd love to try and fit one under the hood of an OM603 Luther On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:29:50 -0600, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unless you are running a VNT/VGT turbo, then an auto is just lost power :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HAve it your way. Ever notice that all high horsepower drag racing trucks diesel are auto tranny? It's the only way you can shift under power and keep the engine loaded and on Boost. Pete, who's lusting after a dynomax/allision 4X4 -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Luther wrote: I happen to like the VNT/VGT technology. The big truck 2003 Cummins ISX engine started to use them and they are SWEET. No turbo lag, TONS of boost. I'd love to try and fit one under the hood of an OM603 That 400HP OM603 uses a GT37 turbo off of the 6.0L Powerstroke. I think there was ~400lb/ft of torque, and that was the limiting factor of the engine. If they went much higher than that they would break the crankshaft (from anecdotal evidence by other Finns). There are some 500HP plus OM603s over there, using Holset HX40s (and larger I think). Those are track cars though! If I can find someone to build manifolds, I have a GT37 I want to put on my wagon. :) John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It's easy to make massive HP for a 1/4 mile. It's a little more difficult to make massive HP for an hour run. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 9:51 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes Luther wrote: I happen to like the VNT/VGT technology. The big truck 2003 Cummins ISX engine started to use them and they are SWEET. No turbo lag, TONS of boost. I'd love to try and fit one under the hood of an OM603 That 400HP OM603 uses a GT37 turbo off of the 6.0L Powerstroke. I think there was ~400lb/ft of torque, and that was the limiting factor of the engine. If they went much higher than that they would break the crankshaft (from anecdotal evidence by other Finns). There are some 500HP plus OM603s over there, using Holset HX40s (and larger I think). Those are track cars though! If I can find someone to build manifolds, I have a GT37 I want to put on my wagon. :) John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
Luther wrote: I happen to like the VNT/VGT technology. The big truck 2003 Cummins ISX engine started to use them and they are SWEET. No turbo lag, TONS of boost. I'd love to try and fit one under the hood of an OM603 I've got a low mileage 2005 E320CDI turbo sitting around here somewhere. Dealer idiots replaced it under warranty, but it didn't fix the car. Mauri the Finn tells me it gets very inefficient above 250hp. (came out of a 217hp car). I figure 250hp just gets a 602 into the fabled 100hp/liter territory. Probably would spool up faster than the turbo that came with my 190D, even if I don't modify the pump. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
Mitch Haley wrote: I've got a low mileage 2005 E320CDI turbo sitting around here somewhere. Dealer idiots replaced it under warranty, but it didn't fix the car. Mauri the Finn tells me it gets very inefficient above 250hp. (came out of a 217hp car). I figure 250hp just gets a 602 into the fabled 100hp/liter territory. Probably would spool up faster than the turbo that came with my 190D, even if I don't modify the pump. How is that one controlled? I imagine it is electrically actuated. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
John Robbins wrote: If I can find someone to build manifolds, I have a GT37 I want to put on my wagon. :) I saw a detailed web page on building turbo exhaust manifolds out of iron pipe and elbows. You can buy weldable pipe from places like McMaster Carr, already beveled on the ends for arc welding. I want to try building a plastic intake manifold. Probably use multiple gaskets for insulation from the head, and put fiber washers under the bolt heads. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
Mitch Haley wrote: I saw a detailed web page on building turbo exhaust manifolds out of iron pipe and elbows. You can buy weldable pipe from places like McMaster Carr, already beveled on the ends for arc welding. I really don't have the time, desire, equipment, or garage to learn how to weld. Maybe when I'm in my 30's or something, but right now I've got too much other stuff going on and no room to build a garage (stupid neighbor won't sell me the empty lot next to me). I want to try building a plastic intake manifold. Probably use multiple gaskets for insulation from the head, and put fiber washers under the bolt heads. You do realize that IAT temps are equal or higher than the head? Especially if you don't have a good intercooler. People have melted PVC type intercooler plumbing before. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
John Robbins wrote: How is that one controlled? I imagine it is electrically actuated. Yep, it's got a bazillion pin computer interface connector on it. I would so love to have a PIC computer built for it, with a couple of knobs in the cockpit to set max boost in first gear and otherwise. That way I could tune it to not quite break the tires loose in first and second gear, should be quite quick from 0-60 that way. Maybe add a switch to tell it to run the vanes wide open at less than half throttle for normal driving, and be able to flip the switch to tell it to try to keep the turbo spinning for a performance mode. I don't think running 15-20 psi on the freeway would make for maximum MPG. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
For me, the answer would be to swap cars for one with the turbo. My 76 300D isn't likely to be improved by my messing about with it. There used to be kits to put a turbo on the non turbo diesels but I think Marshall frowned on the idea. I also think it would hardly be worth my effort when there are lots of factory turbo diesels out there to be had. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rick Knoble Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 7:44 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes R A Bennell wrote: I think (but I could be wrong) that most of the diesel folks on here think that MB did a pretty good job to begin with and that modification beyond something minimal is heresy. Am I right? I cannot really recall much reference on this list to diesel modification for more power. Did I miss it, or are you just saying there are others out there who are more interested in that sort of thing? IIRC, on the old MBZ.org lists there was a diesel list for the purists and a diesel tech list moderated by Jamie Kopchinski (sp?) that was dedicated to increasing the output and performance of the beloved MB diesel. A paraphrased quote from Jabba the Hurst. Most MB purists believe that if God would've wanted your Mercedes to come with it, He would've told the engineers at Stuttgart, and they'd have made it that way. As far as diesel hotrodding goes, either you learn to speak Finnish or go over to the forums at BuyMBParts and speak with Dave M. He is THE MAN when it comes to intelligent modifications to diesel Mercedes... Caveats, YMMV My 2¢ Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Tom Hargrave wrote: It's easy to make massive HP for a 1/4 mile. It's a little more difficult to make massive HP for an hour run. That 400HP car is a daily driver. Typically, there aren't many places in a daily commute that you can use 400HP ;) Maintaining speed on the highway uses the same amount of HP regardless, and if you keep your EGTs under 1200F there does not appear to be any additional wear on the engine. The 3/4 and 1 ton trucks have done this for over a decade... and they TOW with the increased HP. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That 400hp car is the guys daily driver :) They limit it to 400NM iirc as 600NM as that is about the stress level of crank/rods. -Rolf Tom Hargrave wrote: It's easy to make massive HP for a 1/4 mile. It's a little more difficult to make massive HP for an hour run. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 9:51 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes Luther wrote: I happen to like the VNT/VGT technology. The big truck 2003 Cummins ISX engine started to use them and they are SWEET. No turbo lag, TONS of boost. I'd love to try and fit one under the hood of an OM603 That 400HP OM603 uses a GT37 turbo off of the 6.0L Powerstroke. I think there was ~400lb/ft of torque, and that was the limiting factor of the engine. If they went much higher than that they would break the crankshaft (from anecdotal evidence by other Finns). There are some 500HP plus OM603s over there, using Holset HX40s (and larger I think). Those are track cars though! If I can find someone to build manifolds, I have a GT37 I want to put on my wagon. :) John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
A good friend chipped up his PowerStroke (7.3L) to add about 150hp.
At about 50Kmi, while going to get groceries, his wife put a rod threw the pan.
The $9,000 mistake she made {Panic, kids with her, on main drag of town, 14
qts of oil on the ground, Fire Dept not happy} was to have it towed to the Ford
garage.
All drive trail warantee was voided when the found evidence of chip.
Want to play? You must be prepared to Pay.
Pete
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From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tom Hargrave wrote:
It's easy to make massive HP for a 1/4 mile. It's a little more difficult
to
make massive HP for an hour run.
That 400HP car is a daily driver. Typically, there aren't many places
in a daily commute that you can use 400HP ;)
Maintaining speed on the highway uses the same amount of HP regardless,
and if you keep your EGTs under 1200F there does not appear to be any
additional wear on the engine. The 3/4 and 1 ton trucks have done this
for over a decade... and they TOW with the increased HP.
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Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
Want to sell that turbo? Once of the ongoing threads at STD is VNT control with analog inputs. With the 85 and later diesels you get a rack, rpm, boost and pedal position from analog devices. I've looked into actuators, voice coils are the way to go, lots of power and completely linear. http://superturbodiesel.com/std/viewtopic.php?f=9t=31 I had also looked at the CC servo unit but I do not believe it can put out enough power OR act fast enough but it would make for a nice OEM looking solution. -Rolf Mitch Haley wrote: John Robbins wrote: How is that one controlled? I imagine it is electrically actuated. Yep, it's got a bazillion pin computer interface connector on it. I would so love to have a PIC computer built for it, with a couple of knobs in the cockpit to set max boost in first gear and otherwise. That way I could tune it to not quite break the tires loose in first and second gear, should be quite quick from 0-60 that way. Maybe add a switch to tell it to run the vanes wide open at less than half throttle for normal driving, and be able to flip the switch to tell it to try to keep the turbo spinning for a performance mode. I don't think running 15-20 psi on the freeway would make for maximum MPG. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Rolf wrote: I had also looked at the CC servo unit but I do not believe it can put out enough power OR act fast enough but it would make for a nice OEM looking solution. The cruise control actuator is STRONG. The only problem is that you need to maintain tension on it (in the same matter as the IP would) or the feedback gets pretty bouncy. We used it to control a HMMWV... worked great. I also think it would be fast enough. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
R A Bennell wrote: For me, the answer would be to swap cars for one with the turbo. My 76 300D isn't likely to be improved by my messing about with it. There used to be kits to put a turbo on the non turbo diesels but I think Marshall frowned on the idea. I also think it would hardly be worth my effort when there are lots of factory turbo diesels out there to be had. The turbo engines received many internal upgrades that the non-turbos didn't get. Oil squirters to cool off the pistons and sodium filled valves are two that come to mind. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
John Robbins wrote: The cruise control actuator is STRONG. If you use a CDI Benz turbo, you already have the perfect actuator. I just don't know how to drive it. No pinout diagram, and I'd probably be in over my head trying to program a PIC to run it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A good friend chipped up his PowerStroke (7.3L) to add about 150hp. At about 50Kmi, while going to get groceries, his wife put a rod threw the pan. There was one brand of chip that went way too far on timing advance and did that, much sooner if you combined the chip with propane. There was a legendary thread on forddiesel.com (now thedieselstop.com) where some kid got a new truck, that chip, propane, and was bragging about doing idiot driving stunts with it. Within a month, the my totally stock brand new truck threw a rod and the dealer's blaming me thread came up with him as the original poster. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You had a Humvee under the hood? My understanding is that the server unit was a spinning motor with an magnetic clutch? -Rolf John Robbins wrote: Rolf wrote: I had also looked at the CC servo unit but I do not believe it can put out enough power OR act fast enough but it would make for a nice OEM looking solution. The cruise control actuator is STRONG. The only problem is that you need to maintain tension on it (in the same matter as the IP would) or the feedback gets pretty bouncy. We used it to control a HMMWV... worked great. I also think it would be fast enough. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Rolf wrote: You had a Humvee under the hood? My understanding is that the server unit was a spinning motor with an magnetic clutch? It was a project for work... The clutch engages/disengages the motor, and it is a standard brushed DC motor. Basically, you engage the clutch, and run the motor till you get to where you want. You would need a full H-Bridge circuit to drive the motor so you can go forward/reverse. If the clutch is disengaged the arm returns to zero. There is some pretty hefty gearing for the motor. With the standard length arm, I could not get the arm to move by hand (this was with our controller actively maintaining position). There is a POT for feedback of where the arm is. You can get the pinouts and a basic schematic for the controller by looking in the MB FSM. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Rolf wrote: Ya that is what I had been looking at. According to Lance, the amount of pressure that is needed is more or less equal to that of the max boost setting. How fast were you able to get it to react? Depending on how big the wastegate is (pressure x area kinda thing), I don't think it would have any problem. It was very fast. *Maybe* a 1/4 second to go from 0-100%. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Ya that is what I had been looking at. According to Lance, the amount of pressure that is needed is more or less equal to that of the max boost setting. How fast were you able to get it to react? -Rolf John Robbins wrote: Rolf wrote: You had a Humvee under the hood? My understanding is that the server unit was a spinning motor with an magnetic clutch? It was a project for work... The clutch engages/disengages the motor, and it is a standard brushed DC motor. Basically, you engage the clutch, and run the motor till you get to where you want. You would need a full H-Bridge circuit to drive the motor so you can go forward/reverse. If the clutch is disengaged the arm returns to zero. There is some pretty hefty gearing for the motor. With the standard length arm, I could not get the arm to move by hand (this was with our controller actively maintaining position). There is a POT for feedback of where the arm is. You can get the pinouts and a basic schematic for the controller by looking in the MB FSM. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The problem is that piston melting pressure can occur before the system can react. Voice coils are millisecond response times. I think I will take a crack at using the CC motor again. It is just to conveniently placed and looks awfully OEM. -Rolf John Robbins wrote: Rolf wrote: Ya that is what I had been looking at. According to Lance, the amount of pressure that is needed is more or less equal to that of the max boost setting. How fast were you able to get it to react? Depending on how big the wastegate is (pressure x area kinda thing), I don't think it would have any problem. It was very fast. *Maybe* a 1/4 second to go from 0-100%. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Rolf wrote: The problem is that piston melting pressure can occur before the system can react. Voice coils are millisecond response times. I have confidence that the CC actuator can react just as fast as a normal wastegate actuator. Where are you going to get a voice coil actuator? John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Make one if I have to. Linear drivers are about the easiest thing in the world to make. I did look online at a variety of them though. -Rolf John Robbins wrote: Rolf wrote: The problem is that piston melting pressure can occur before the system can react. Voice coils are millisecond response times. I have confidence that the CC actuator can react just as fast as a normal wastegate actuator. Where are you going to get a voice coil actuator? John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There are companies that coat pistons with ceramic that will help resist melting. Luther On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:44:01 -0600, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is that piston melting pressure can occur before the system can react. Voice coils are millisecond response times. I think I will take a crack at using the CC motor again. It is just to conveniently placed and looks awfully OEM. -Rolf John Robbins wrote: Rolf wrote: -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Or for 300k miles - On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's easy to make massive HP for a 1/4 mile. It's a little more difficult to make massive HP for an hour run. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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OK Don wrote: Or for 300k miles - Finn superturbos are said to last just as long as stockers, unless of course they blow up. The more extreme cases (like Sammuli's 333hp OM602) are disassembled, blueprinted, and ceramic insulated. Most of these guys make very sparing use of the extreme horsepower, and get rather shocking mpg in normal driving, frequently claiming 35-40 mpg for auto tranny W124s with six cylinder engines. Mauri H. is building one for sale right now, OM606, ceramic coated pistons and head, special connecting rods, high strength bolts in the crank bearing caps, etc. He's asking about $11k for it. If I had the foresight to buy that enginless AMG Hammer that Alain was trying to give away a couple of years ago, I'd be tempted to buy Mauri's engine. I'd rather have $15k tied up in a 500hp diesel Hammer than a run of the mill 500E. (or worse yet, a brand new Ford Focus or Nissan Versa) http://www.fantasycars.com/sedans/HTML/mercedes_300e_amg_hammer_w124.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That does sound sweet! Might have to try a project like that when I retire --- unless I start flying again. Or for 300k miles - Finn superturbos are said to last just as long as stockers, unless of course they blow up. The more extreme cases (like Sammuli's 333hp OM602) are disassembled, blueprinted, and ceramic insulated. Most of these guys make very sparing use of the extreme horsepower, and get rather shocking mpg in normal driving, frequently claiming 35-40 mpg for auto tranny W124s with six cylinder engines. Mauri H. is building one for sale right now, OM606, ceramic coated pistons and head, special connecting rods, high strength bolts in the crank bearing caps, etc. He's asking about $11k for it. If I had the foresight to buy that enginless AMG Hammer that Alain was trying to give away a couple of years ago, I'd be tempted to buy Mauri's engine. I'd rather have $15k tied up in a 500hp diesel Hammer than a run of the mill 500E. (or worse yet, a brand new Ford Focus or Nissan Versa) http://www.fantasycars.com/sedans/HTML/mercedes_300e_amg_hammer_w124.html -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The turbo diesels were built for turbocharging. The NA diesels were not. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 3/14/08 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes For me, the answer would be to swap cars for one with the turbo. My 76 300D isn't likely to be improved by my messing about with it. There used to be kits to put a turbo on the non turbo diesels but I think Marshall frowned on the idea. I also think it would hardly be worth my effort when there are lots of factory turbo diesels out there to be had. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rick Knoble Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 7:44 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes R A Bennell wrote: I think (but I could be wrong) that most of the diesel folks on here think that MB did a pretty good job to begin with and that modification beyond something minimal is heresy. Am I right? I cannot really recall much reference on this list to diesel modification for more power. Did I miss it, or are you just saying there are others out there who are more interested in that sort of thing? IIRC, on the old MBZ.org lists there was a diesel list for the purists and a diesel tech list moderated by Jamie Kopchinski (sp?) that was dedicated to increasing the output and performance of the beloved MB diesel. A paraphrased quote from Jabba the Hurst. Most MB purists believe that if God would've wanted your Mercedes to come with it, He would've told the engineers at Stuttgart, and they'd have made it that way. As far as diesel hotrodding goes, either you learn to speak Finnish or go over to the forums at BuyMBParts and speak with Dave M. He is THE MAN when it comes to intelligent modifications to diesel Mercedes... Caveats, YMMV My 2¢ Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I understand but at the same time they uprate the water, oil and transmission cooling systems. In other words, don't bring your turbo boost up to 1.5 BAR and then expect to use that extra power to pull hills without making major changes elsewhere. This leads right back to my original statement.. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 3/14/08 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes Tom Hargrave wrote: It's easy to make massive HP for a 1/4 mile. It's a little more difficult to make massive HP for an hour run. That 400HP car is a daily driver. Typically, there aren't many places in a daily commute that you can use 400HP ;) Maintaining speed on the highway uses the same amount of HP regardless, and if you keep your EGTs under 1200F there does not appear to be any additional wear on the engine. The 3/4 and 1 ton trucks have done this for over a decade... and they TOW with the increased HP. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hello, Sorry to spam a bit but I am trying go the the good word out about http://superturbodiesel.com/ Its a community forum with no retail ambitions for the purpose of discussing engine/drivetrain and suspension modifications for any diesel Mercedes. Currently our members (all 12 of them) are all 123 owners but many of the theories and applications work for any of the OM series engines and any diesel in general. Discussed are auto-manual transmission swaps, turbo upgrades, pump modifications and more advanced diesel maintenance. If you are passionate about your diesel and interested in even mild improvements, come on by and check it out. We are looking for article writers, if you've done something noteworthy or have input lets hear it. That being said it's nice to find another mailing list to waste work hours on :) -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Diesels are slow and smelly--why bother? On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Sorry to spam a bit but I am trying go the the good word out about http://superturbodiesel.com/ Its a community forum with no retail ambitions for the purpose of discussing engine/drivetrain and suspension modifications for any diesel Mercedes. Currently our members (all 12 of them) are all 123 owners but many of the theories and applications work for any of the OM series engines and any diesel in general. Discussed are auto-manual transmission swaps, turbo upgrades, pump modifications and more advanced diesel maintenance. If you are passionate about your diesel and interested in even mild improvements, come on by and check it out. We are looking for article writers, if you've done something noteworthy or have input lets hear it. That being said it's nice to find another mailing list to waste work hours on :) -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Zeitgeist wrote: Diesels are slow and smelly--why bother? What about your wagon? Last I heard you had a 7 second 0-60. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I suppose this isn't the same Zeitgeist that had an 87 300TD with propane boost? 500+ rwhp is not unheard of in an om60X. Hardly slow. I love the smell of diesel in the morning. Zeitgeist wrote: Diesels are slow and smelly--why bother? On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Sorry to spam a bit but I am trying go the the good word out about http://superturbodiesel.com/ Its a community forum with no retail ambitions for the purpose of discussing engine/drivetrain and suspension modifications for any diesel Mercedes. Currently our members (all 12 of them) are all 123 owners but many of the theories and applications work for any of the OM series engines and any diesel in general. Discussed are auto-manual transmission swaps, turbo upgrades, pump modifications and more advanced diesel maintenance. If you are passionate about your diesel and interested in even mild improvements, come on by and check it out. We are looking for article writers, if you've done something noteworthy or have input lets hear it. That being said it's nice to find another mailing list to waste work hours on :) -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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This is an example of what NOT to do. I am not saying I do not want people posting about other forums on here, but to subscribe and the first post right off the bat is to promote some other forum somewhat hacks me off. The proper thing to do would be to first contact the list admin (me) and ask permission to post something like this. Kaleb Rolf wrote: Hello, Sorry to spam a bit but I am trying go the the good word out about http://superturbodiesel.com/ Its a community forum with no retail ambitions for the purpose of discussing engine/drivetrain and suspension modifications for any diesel Mercedes. Currently our members (all 12 of them) are all 123 owners but many of the theories and applications work for any of the OM series engines and any diesel in general. Discussed are auto-manual transmission swaps, turbo upgrades, pump modifications and more advanced diesel maintenance. If you are passionate about your diesel and interested in even mild improvements, come on by and check it out. We are looking for article writers, if you've done something noteworthy or have input lets hear it. That being said it's nice to find another mailing list to waste work hours on :) -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Kinda like the Baptists visiting our Methodist congregation and asking if they can take an offering? From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:31:02 -0600 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes This is an example of what NOT to do. I am not saying I do not want people posting about other forums on here, but to subscribe and the first post right off the bat is to promote some other forum somewhat hacks me off. The proper thing to do would be to first contact the list admin (me) and ask permission to post something like this. Kaleb Rolf wrote: Hello, Sorry to spam a bit but I am trying go the the good word out about http://superturbodiesel.com/ Its a community forum with no retail ambitions for the purpose of discussing engine/drivetrain and suspension modifications for any diesel Mercedes. Currently our members (all 12 of them) are all 123 owners but many of the theories and applications work for any of the OM series engines and any diesel in general. Discussed are auto-manual transmission swaps, turbo upgrades, pump modifications and more advanced diesel maintenance. If you are passionate about your diesel and interested in even mild improvements, come on by and check it out. We are looking for article writers, if you've done something noteworthy or have input lets hear it. That being said it's nice to find another mailing list to waste work hours on :) -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well, not quite. Sort of like the Baptists telling folks there is a Methodist church accross the street. Not likely to get many converts. Just additional information. I think (but I could be wrong) that most of the diesel folks on here think that MB did a pretty good job to begin with and that modification beyond something minimal is heresy. Am I right? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Timothy Robinson Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 10:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes Kinda like the Baptists visiting our Methodist congregation and asking if they can take an offering? From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:31:02 -0600 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes This is an example of what NOT to do. I am not saying I do not want people posting about other forums on here, but to subscribe and the first post right off the bat is to promote some other forum somewhat hacks me off. The proper thing to do would be to first contact the list admin (me) and ask permission to post something like this. Kaleb Rolf wrote: Hello, Sorry to spam a bit but I am trying go the the good word out about http://superturbodiesel.com/ Its a community forum with no retail ambitions for the purpose of discussing engine/drivetrain and suspension modifications for any diesel Mercedes. Currently our members (all 12 of them) are all 123 owners but many of the theories and applications work for any of the OM series engines and any diesel in general. Discussed are auto-manual transmission swaps, turbo upgrades, pump modifications and more advanced diesel maintenance. If you are passionate about your diesel and interested in even mild improvements, come on by and check it out. We are looking for article writers, if you've done something noteworthy or have input lets hear it. That being said it's nice to find another mailing list to waste work hours on :) -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Sorry, I looked on the signup page and elsewhere on okiebenz and really didn't see any rules and regulations stating otherwise. I didn't realize there was a non compete as there is with mshob, benzworld and elsewhere. I am not trying to detract here only contribute. Those who know my know I contribute plenty of key clicks to any good list/forum. -Rolf Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: This is an example of what NOT to do. I am not saying I do not want people posting about other forums on here, but to subscribe and the first post right off the bat is to promote some other forum somewhat hacks me off. The proper thing to do would be to first contact the list admin (me) and ask permission to post something like this. Kaleb Rolf wrote: Hello, Sorry to spam a bit but I am trying go the the good word out about http://superturbodiesel.com/ Its a community forum with no retail ambitions for the purpose of discussing engine/drivetrain and suspension modifications for any diesel Mercedes. Currently our members (all 12 of them) are all 123 owners but many of the theories and applications work for any of the OM series engines and any diesel in general. Discussed are auto-manual transmission swaps, turbo upgrades, pump modifications and more advanced diesel maintenance. If you are passionate about your diesel and interested in even mild improvements, come on by and check it out. We are looking for article writers, if you've done something noteworthy or have input lets hear it. That being said it's nice to find another mailing list to waste work hours on :) -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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No, there is not any specific rule against it, or that is necessarily a problem. Its just the polite thing to do. In any case, no harm no foul, welcome aboard. Rolf wrote: Sorry, I looked on the signup page and elsewhere on okiebenz and really didn't see any rules and regulations stating otherwise. I didn't realize there was a non compete as there is with mshob, benzworld and elsewhere. I am not trying to detract here only contribute. Those who know my know I contribute plenty of key clicks to any good list/forum. -Rolf Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: This is an example of what NOT to do. I am not saying I do not want people posting about other forums on here, but to subscribe and the first post right off the bat is to promote some other forum somewhat hacks me off. The proper thing to do would be to first contact the list admin (me) and ask permission to post something like this. Kaleb Rolf wrote: Hello, Sorry to spam a bit but I am trying go the the good word out about http://superturbodiesel.com/ Its a community forum with no retail ambitions for the purpose of discussing engine/drivetrain and suspension modifications for any diesel Mercedes. Currently our members (all 12 of them) are all 123 owners but many of the theories and applications work for any of the OM series engines and any diesel in general. Discussed are auto-manual transmission swaps, turbo upgrades, pump modifications and more advanced diesel maintenance. If you are passionate about your diesel and interested in even mild improvements, come on by and check it out. We are looking for article writers, if you've done something noteworthy or have input lets hear it. That being said it's nice to find another mailing list to waste work hours on :) -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Rolf wrote: I contribute plenty of key clicks to any good list/forum. So you're a new subscriber here, and not just recruiting for the other group? Mitch.(known as Mitch H. at Mersuforum, Mercedesshop, BuyMBparts, Schuman...) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I can't get the page to load anyway, so not sure if it will be much competition. My TD routinely gets 0-60 in less than a minute, about as long as I waited for the page to load. --R Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: No, there is not any specific rule against it, or that is necessarily a problem. Its just the polite thing to do. In any case, no harm no foul, welcome aboard. Rolf wrote: Sorry, I looked on the signup page and elsewhere on okiebenz and really didn't see any rules and regulations stating otherwise. I didn't realize there was a non compete as there is with mshob, benzworld and elsewhere. I am not trying to detract here only contribute. Those who know my know I contribute plenty of key clicks to any good list/forum. -Rolf Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: This is an example of what NOT to do. I am not saying I do not want people posting about other forums on here, but to subscribe and the first post right off the bat is to promote some other forum somewhat hacks me off. The proper thing to do would be to first contact the list admin (me) and ask permission to post something like this. Kaleb Rolf wrote: Hello, Sorry to spam a bit but I am trying go the the good word out about http://superturbodiesel.com/ Its a community forum with no retail ambitions for the purpose of discussing engine/drivetrain and suspension modifications for any diesel Mercedes. Currently our members (all 12 of them) are all 123 owners but many of the theories and applications work for any of the OM series engines and any diesel in general. Discussed are auto-manual transmission swaps, turbo upgrades, pump modifications and more advanced diesel maintenance. If you are passionate about your diesel and interested in even mild improvements, come on by and check it out. We are looking for article writers, if you've done something noteworthy or have input lets hear it. That being said it's nice to find another mailing list to waste work hours on :) -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mitch Haley wrote: Rolf wrote: I contribute plenty of key clicks to any good list/forum. So you're a new subscriber here, and not just recruiting for the other group? Hint... look at his email address. ;) I'm Tymbrymi on those forums (-Schumans since I got banned). John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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R A Bennell wrote: I think (but I could be wrong) that most of the diesel folks on here think that MB did a pretty good job to begin with and that modification beyond something minimal is heresy. Am I right? There seem to be two major camps with not much middle ground. There are a lot of folks that believe that way, but there is another group that has seen what the folks in Finland have pulled off (think 400HP OM603 daily driver), and want to do the same. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 11:06 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (-Schumans since I got banned). What did you do to deserve that? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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think 400HP OM603 daily driver *drool* My dream car is an early '90s 124 coupe, manual 5 speed, full AMG suspension and body, and intercooled OM603. OILBOOST could be the tag name. Luther On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:08:42 -0600, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: R A Bennell wrote: I think (but I could be wrong) that most of the diesel folks on here think that MB did a pretty good job to begin with and that modification beyond something minimal is heresy. Am I right? There seem to be two major camps with not much middle ground. There are a lot of folks that believe that way, but there is another group that has seen what the folks in Finland have pulled off (think 400HP OM603 daily driver), and want to do the same. John -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 11:06 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (-Schumans since I got banned). What did you do to deserve that? http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=214412 Basically, I and a bunch of others got banned for no real reason. The guy who runs Schumans is very knowledgeable, and is very reasonable on many things. On a *few* things though he is absolutely bats%t insane. This was apparently one of them. My particular banning was for calling him out on stealing some of Dave M's pictures and claiming them for his own. *shrugs* No worse than what I've heard about the R/E list. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I cannot really recall much reference on this list to diesel modification for more power. Did I miss it, or are you just saying there are others out there who are more interested in that sort of thing? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 12:09 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes R A Bennell wrote: I think (but I could be wrong) that most of the diesel folks on here think that MB did a pretty good job to begin with and that modification beyond something minimal is heresy. Am I right? There seem to be two major camps with not much middle ground. There are a lot of folks that believe that way, but there is another group that has seen what the folks in Finland have pulled off (think 400HP OM603 daily driver), and want to do the same. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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HAve it your way. Ever notice that all high horsepower drag racing trucks diesel are auto tranny? It's the only way you can shift under power and keep the engine loaded and on Boost. Pete, who's lusting after a dynomax/allision 4X4 -- Original message -- From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] think 400HP OM603 daily driver *drool* My dream car is an early '90s 124 coupe, manual 5 speed, full AMG suspension and body, and intercooled OM603. OILBOOST could be the tag name. Luther On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:08:42 -0600, John Robbins wrote: R A Bennell wrote: I think (but I could be wrong) that most of the diesel folks on here think that MB did a pretty good job to begin with and that modification beyond something minimal is heresy. Am I right? There seem to be two major camps with not much middle ground. There are a lot of folks that believe that way, but there is another group that has seen what the folks in Finland have pulled off (think 400HP OM603 daily driver), and want to do the same. John -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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R A Bennell wrote: I cannot really recall much reference on this list to diesel modification for more power. Did I miss it, or are you just saying there are others out there who are more interested in that sort of thing? Sorry! I was talking about the MB community at large. So far as I can tell most people on this list are stock only folks. Especially with the Marshall Booth influence (or you'll MELT your PISTONS) ;) John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I like performance! that is why I am still looking for a OM 621/615/616 with a factory turbo. Instead I had to settle for only OM603s. Performance is always a tradeoff with longevity. I like 500k MB diesels. I am interested in the power quest, but i'm not likely to do it to my car because I don't have the money and I NEED reliability. all in all, decade after decade, Daimler Benz has always done a pretty good job with the performance/reliability game. At 01:31 PM 3/13/2008, you wrote: R A Bennell wrote: I cannot really recall much reference on this list to diesel modification for more power. Did I miss it, or are you just saying there are others out there who are more interested in that sort of thing? Sorry! I was talking about the MB community at large. So far as I can tell most people on this list are stock only folks. Especially with the Marshall Booth influence (or you'll MELT your PISTONS) ;) John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have nothing against modified cars, other than I find them a pain and more money and trouble than they are often worth. I always say, spend the money on driving school to learn to wring everything out of a car. Once you find the car is too slow, it's often easier and cheaper to just buy a faster car. Even some AMG models are affordable now. I know you have a certain idea about what you want, like a big HP diesel, then you have no choice but to make your own, but with the money often involved, and the extra fuel it would use, again, maybe just get a fast gasser. Still, having said that, it's always fun to see what can be bolted together out in the garage. :-) Ed 300E On 13/03/2008, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: R A Bennell wrote: I cannot really recall much reference on this list to diesel modification for more power. Did I miss it, or are you just saying there are others out there who are more interested in that sort of thing? Sorry! I was talking about the MB community at large. So far as I can tell most people on this list are stock only folks. Especially with the Marshall Booth influence (or you'll MELT your PISTONS) ;) John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Loren Faeth wrote: I like performance! that is why I am still looking for a OM 621/615/616 with a factory turbo. Sunil was recently in India. Should have asked him to stick a 616 in his carryon bag when he came back. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It's been rumored that I've boasted that claim before. Until it runs in the sub-6.0sec range, I'd hesitate to call the TD a performance Mercedes. It's quick enough for a daily driver, and probably more so than just about anything MB offered back in '87. On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 9:26 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zeitgeist wrote: Diesels are slow and smelly--why bother? What about your wagon? Last I heard you had a 7 second 0-60. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Zeitgeist wrote: quick enough for a daily driver, and probably more so than just about anything MB offered back in '87. I think my 190e is supposed to be a 7.0-7.5 second car. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I found a site that lists the '87 16v at 7.5 secs and the 560SEC as 7.0 secs On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zeitgeist wrote: quick enough for a daily driver, and probably more so than just about anything MB offered back in '87. I think my 190e is supposed to be a 7.0-7.5 second car. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It's interesting what the Finns have done/can do, but personally, I fall into the performance measured with odometer (and mpg-o-meter) camp. Chris P.S. Second thought, when a diesel can win the 24 hour LeMans, that only helps the diesel cause in general...even if they needed two trannys to do it. E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have nothing against modified cars, other than I find them a pain and more money and trouble than they are often worth. I always say, spend the money on driving school to learn to wring everything out of a car. Once you find the car is too slow, it's often easier and cheaper to just buy a faster car. Even some AMG models are affordable now. I know you have a certain idea about what you want, like a big HP diesel, then you have no choice but to make your own, but with the money often involved, and the extra fuel it would use, again, maybe just get a fast gasser. Still, having said that, it's always fun to see what can be bolted together out in the garage. :-) Ed 300E On 13/03/2008, John Robbins wrote: R A Bennell wrote: I cannot really recall much reference on this list to diesel modification for more power. Did I miss it, or are you just saying there are others out there who are more interested in that sort of thing? Sorry! I was talking about the MB community at large. So far as I can tell most people on this list are stock only folks. Especially with the Marshall Booth influence (or you'll MELT your PISTONS) ;) John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Bünter u. Bügel Diesel Sales Service -1985 300SD, 370K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 1 Ton, 58K mi, Der Abschleppwagen -'75 240D, '80 300SD, '85 300Dt, '84 300Dt '83 240D - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I think I was happier when most people had not discovered diesel, and bio-diesel and WVO etc. I'd like more diesel but I don't want it to be too popular. Remember when it was inexpensive to run a diesel? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Christopher McCann Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 3:11 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes It's interesting what the Finns have done/can do, but personally, I fall into the performance measured with odometer (and mpg-o-meter) camp. Chris P.S. Second thought, when a diesel can win the 24 hour LeMans, that only helps the diesel cause in general...even if they needed two trannys to do it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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One more point to add - It is difficult to be stealthy in an old diesel - all that smoke and noise makes one obvious. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of R A Bennell Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 5:07 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes I think I was happier when most people had not discovered diesel, and bio-diesel and WVO etc. I'd like more diesel but I don't want it to be too popular. Remember when it was inexpensive to run a diesel? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Christopher McCann Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 3:11 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes It's interesting what the Finns have done/can do, but personally, I fall into the performance measured with odometer (and mpg-o-meter) camp. Chris P.S. Second thought, when a diesel can win the 24 hour LeMans, that only helps the diesel cause in general...even if they needed two trannys to do it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Howdy - I know diesel prices are tied to the cost of oil but for a while the price of diesel was approaching more traditional price structures i.e., diesel was close to or less then regular gas - at least that's the way I remember it. Now, diesel is more expensive than Hi-Test has been for a number of years now -- once that was blamed on only 2 - IIRC - refineries producing diesel and the supply was limited. I know there are refineries down for maintanence, weather, emergencies, etc., but I don;t recall that being the case now. Is low diesel production because of limited refinery availability still the problem? Or are there other reasons for diesel to be higher than premium? TIA - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes I think I was happier when most people had not discovered diesel, and bio-diesel and WVO etc. I'd like more diesel but I don't want it to be too popular. Remember when it was inexpensive to run a diesel? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Christopher McCann Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 3:11 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes It's interesting what the Finns have done/can do, but personally, I fall into the performance measured with odometer (and mpg-o-meter) camp. Chris P.S. Second thought, when a diesel can win the 24 hour LeMans, that only helps the diesel cause in general...even if they needed two trannys to do it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Almost certainly higher consumption of diesel fuel with all the globalization and associated cargo handling. Very little container shipping on trains, either, so it all goes by truck, and they all use diesel, not gas. Peter On Mar 13, 2008, at 5:29 PM, LarryT wrote: Howdy - I know diesel prices are tied to the cost of oil but for a while the price of diesel was approaching more traditional price structures i.e., diesel was close to or less then regular gas - at least that's the way I remember it. Now, diesel is more expensive than Hi-Test has been for a number of years now -- once that was blamed on only 2 - IIRC - refineries producing diesel and the supply was limited. I know there are refineries down for maintanence, weather, emergencies, etc., but I don;t recall that being the case now. Is low diesel production because of limited refinery availability still the problem? Or are there other reasons for diesel to be higher than premium? TIA - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes I think I was happier when most people had not discovered diesel, and bio-diesel and WVO etc. I'd like more diesel but I don't want it to be too popular. Remember when it was inexpensive to run a diesel? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Christopher McCann Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 3:11 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes It's interesting what the Finns have done/can do, but personally, I fall into the performance measured with odometer (and mpg-o-meter) camp. Chris P.S. Second thought, when a diesel can win the 24 hour LeMans, that only helps the diesel cause in general...even if they needed two trannys to do it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Don't know the answer to your question but interesting that it is different here. I'm in Canada - right in the middle in Winnipeg. Right now, diesel and regular gas are very close to the same price. I paid 1.104 for a litre of regular gas yesterday. The pump price is shown as 113.9 but they discount - no idea why- just silliness. Diesel, is about 1.11 I think. I don't drive the old 300D in the winter so I have not filled it since October. I paid .949 for diesel pretty well all of last summer. Gas was more variable and I paid from about .989 to 1.179 for regular gas last summer. Wonder what they will be this summer. I make a 350 mile round trip to the cottage about 10 to 12 times each summer so I'm going to the poor house buying fuel in the summer. In winter I don't go too far from home so the mileage may be lower but the miles are too. I've only put about 4K kilometers on my truck since the last trip to Ontario in mid October and that is with the help of my elder son who has taken the truck to his inlaws an hour out of Winnipeg at least a couple of times since Christmas. If you are not up on metric - there are about 3.78 litres in a US gallon and a kilometer is about .62 miles. I'll let you do the math. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 4:29 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes Howdy - I know diesel prices are tied to the cost of oil but for a while the price of diesel was approaching more traditional price structures i.e., diesel was close to or less then regular gas - at least that's the way I remember it. Now, diesel is more expensive than Hi-Test has been for a number of years now -- once that was blamed on only 2 - IIRC - refineries producing diesel and the supply was limited. I know there are refineries down for maintanence, weather, emergencies, etc., but I don;t recall that being the case now. Is low diesel production because of limited refinery availability still the problem? Or are there other reasons for diesel to be higher than premium? TIA - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes I think I was happier when most people had not discovered diesel, and bio-diesel and WVO etc. I'd like more diesel but I don't want it to be too popular. Remember when it was inexpensive to run a diesel? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Christopher McCann Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 3:11 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes It's interesting what the Finns have done/can do, but personally, I fall into the performance measured with odometer (and mpg-o-meter) camp. Chris P.S. Second thought, when a diesel can win the 24 hour LeMans, that only helps the diesel cause in general...even if they needed two trannys to do it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thats kind of the point of a diesel, they are cheap to run. Not so much anymore. R A Bennell wrote: I think I was happier when most people had not discovered diesel, and bio-diesel and WVO etc. I'd like more diesel but I don't want it to be too popular. Remember when it was inexpensive to run a diesel? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Christopher McCann Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 3:11 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes It's interesting what the Finns have done/can do, but personally, I fall into the performance measured with odometer (and mpg-o-meter) camp. Chris P.S. Second thought, when a diesel can win the 24 hour LeMans, that only helps the diesel cause in general...even if they needed two trannys to do it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Unless you are running a VNT/VGT turbo, then an auto is just lost power :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HAve it your way. Ever notice that all high horsepower drag racing trucks diesel are auto tranny? It's the only way you can shift under power and keep the engine loaded and on Boost. Pete, who's lusting after a dynomax/allision 4X4 -- Original message -- From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] think 400HP OM603 daily driver *drool* My dream car is an early '90s 124 coupe, manual 5 speed, full AMG suspension and body, and intercooled OM603. OILBOOST could be the tag name. Luther On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:08:42 -0600, John Robbins wrote: R A Bennell wrote: I think (but I could be wrong) that most of the diesel folks on here think that MB did a pretty good job to begin with and that modification beyond something minimal is heresy. Am I right? There seem to be two major camps with not much middle ground. There are a lot of folks that believe that way, but there is another group that has seen what the folks in Finland have pulled off (think 400HP OM603 daily driver), and want to do the same. John -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Can please I be removed from the moderator approval list? Also there is no link to the list moderator on the signup form (which is where I would have sent this email to). -Rolf Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: No, there is not any specific rule against it, or that is necessarily a problem. Its just the polite thing to do. In any case, no harm no foul, welcome aboard. Rolf wrote: Sorry, I looked on the signup page and elsewhere on okiebenz and really didn't see any rules and regulations stating otherwise. I didn't realize there was a non compete as there is with mshob, benzworld and elsewhere. I am not trying to detract here only contribute. Those who know my know I contribute plenty of key clicks to any good list/forum. -Rolf Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: This is an example of what NOT to do. I am not saying I do not want people posting about other forums on here, but to subscribe and the first post right off the bat is to promote some other forum somewhat hacks me off. The proper thing to do would be to first contact the list admin (me) and ask permission to post something like this. Kaleb Rolf wrote: Hello, Sorry to spam a bit but I am trying go the the good word out about http://superturbodiesel.com/ Its a community forum with no retail ambitions for the purpose of discussing engine/drivetrain and suspension modifications for any diesel Mercedes. Currently our members (all 12 of them) are all 123 owners but many of the theories and applications work for any of the OM series engines and any diesel in general. Discussed are auto-manual transmission swaps, turbo upgrades, pump modifications and more advanced diesel maintenance. If you are passionate about your diesel and interested in even mild improvements, come on by and check it out. We are looking for article writers, if you've done something noteworthy or have input lets hear it. That being said it's nice to find another mailing list to waste work hours on :) -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
What you need to do is hook your wagon up with some of these mods : http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3733464 God I needed a good laugh today *wipes away the tears*. -Rolf Zeitgeist wrote: It's been rumored that I've boasted that claim before. Until it runs in the sub-6.0sec range, I'd hesitate to call the TD a performance Mercedes. It's quick enough for a daily driver, and probably more so than just about anything MB offered back in '87. On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 9:26 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zeitgeist wrote: Diesels are slow and smelly--why bother? What about your wagon? Last I heard you had a 7 second 0-60. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
Nope Tymbrini told me about this list just today. A heck of alot busier than the other mailing list. -Rolf Mitch Haley wrote: Rolf wrote: I contribute plenty of key clicks to any good list/forum. So you're a new subscriber here, and not just recruiting for the other group? Mitch.(known as Mitch H. at Mersuforum, Mercedesshop, BuyMBparts, Schuman...) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
R A Bennell wrote: I think (but I could be wrong) that most of the diesel folks on here think that MB did a pretty good job to begin with and that modification beyond something minimal is heresy. Am I right? I cannot really recall much reference on this list to diesel modification for more power. Did I miss it, or are you just saying there are others out there who are more interested in that sort of thing? IIRC, on the old MBZ.org lists there was a diesel list for the purists and a diesel tech list moderated by Jamie Kopchinski (sp?) that was dedicated to increasing the output and performance of the beloved MB diesel. A paraphrased quote from Jabba the Hurst. Most MB purists believe that if God would've wanted your Mercedes to come with it, He would've told the engineers at Stuttgart, and they'd have made it that way. As far as diesel hotrodding goes, either you learn to speak Finnish or go over to the forums at BuyMBParts and speak with Dave M. He is THE MAN when it comes to intelligent modifications to diesel Mercedes... Caveats, YMMV My 2¢ Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
Or, take a test drive in a used E320 CDI. Faster than the gas model and a whole bunch more fun. John On 3/13/08, Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: R A Bennell wrote: I think (but I could be wrong) that most of the diesel folks on here think that MB did a pretty good job to begin with and that modification beyond something minimal is heresy. Am I right? I cannot really recall much reference on this list to diesel modification for more power. Did I miss it, or are you just saying there are others out there who are more interested in that sort of thing? IIRC, on the old MBZ.org lists there was a diesel list for the purists and a diesel tech list moderated by Jamie Kopchinski (sp?) that was dedicated to increasing the output and performance of the beloved MB diesel. A paraphrased quote from Jabba the Hurst. Most MB purists believe that if God would've wanted your Mercedes to come with it, He would've told the engineers at Stuttgart, and they'd have made it that way. As far as diesel hotrodding goes, either you learn to speak Finnish or go over to the forums at BuyMBParts and speak with Dave M. He is THE MAN when it comes to intelligent modifications to diesel Mercedes... Caveats, YMMV My 2¢ Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
