Re: [MBZ] Pulling Motors - Opinions?
I've never pulled the engine/tranny together on my 78 240D (W123) - when I rebuilt the engine I pulled the engine, I *did* however, bolt a piece of wood across the bell housing to be *very* certain the torque converter stayed firmly engaged in the front pump. LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: "Richard Hattaway" Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 7:18 PM To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] Pulling Motors - Opinions? My vote (I have read none of the others, but have done this several times) is to leave the tranny on. There are tricks, and of course I am speaking from 123's only as far as Mercedes are concerned. It's much easier with a 240 than a 300, shorter block, same hole. I put the front of the car on stands. Just enough to get the front wheels off the ground. I use a load leveler on my lift. Get a good one. Check to see if the crank handle will interfere with any part of the lift in any position of the leveler chain attachment. Set the lift up so that when you make the 'turn'( lowering the tranny back end to the floor ) the engine is pointing almost straight up. Make sure you can achieve this angle before starting. There is a sheet metal 'bar' on the back of the engine for lifting. It's worthless. Replace it with a piece of bar stock, half inch thick or more, and twice as long as the factory thing. I have one I made from a piece of galvanized steel. Understand that for most of the lift, all the lifting will be done on the front of the engine. The rear lifting bar is primarily for guiding and lifting at the very initial and fery end portions of the job. Oh, and it helps when putting the engine on the ground or the stand. Make sure and disconnect the park switch wire on the automatic trannys. Seems like I remember a time, after several engine removals, that someone pulled one of those wires almost completely out of the harness. Don't remember who, of course. Bruce, if you're anywhere near central NC and want to use my lift setup, please feel free to give me an email off list ( I read very little of the list.. ) RH --- On Thu, 1/7/10, B Dike wrote: From: B Dike Subject: [MBZ] Pulling Motors - Opinions? To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 8:09 PM All, The first time I swapped an engine, I left the tranny in the car and unbolted the motor. It was extremely slow and tedious. Afterward, I vowed to never do it that way again, and next time pull tranny and motor together. The second time, I pulled the tranny and motor together, and vowed never to do that again. It was faster and simpler, but vastly more physical effort was required. Third time, pulled motor separately, and afterward decided again that it was a mistake. What is the consensus on this list? Cheers, Bruce ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pulling Motors - Opinions?
My vote (I have read none of the others, but have done this several times) is to leave the tranny on. There are tricks, and of course I am speaking from 123's only as far as Mercedes are concerned. It's much easier with a 240 than a 300, shorter block, same hole. I put the front of the car on stands. Just enough to get the front wheels off the ground. I use a load leveler on my lift. Get a good one. Check to see if the crank handle will interfere with any part of the lift in any position of the leveler chain attachment. Set the lift up so that when you make the 'turn'( lowering the tranny back end to the floor ) the engine is pointing almost straight up. Make sure you can achieve this angle before starting. There is a sheet metal 'bar' on the back of the engine for lifting. It's worthless. Replace it with a piece of bar stock, half inch thick or more, and twice as long as the factory thing. I have one I made from a piece of galvanized steel. Understand that for most of the lift, all the lifting will be done on the front of the engine. The rear lifting bar is primarily for guiding and lifting at the very initial and fery end portions of the job. Oh, and it helps when putting the engine on the ground or the stand. Make sure and disconnect the park switch wire on the automatic trannys. Seems like I remember a time, after several engine removals, that someone pulled one of those wires almost completely out of the harness. Don't remember who, of course. Bruce, if you're anywhere near central NC and want to use my lift setup, please feel free to give me an email off list ( I read very little of the list.. ) RH --- On Thu, 1/7/10, B Dike wrote: > From: B Dike > Subject: [MBZ] Pulling Motors - Opinions? > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 8:09 PM > All, > > The first time I swapped an engine, I left the tranny in > the car and unbolted the motor. It was extremely slow and > tedious. Afterward, I vowed to never do it that way again, > and next time pull tranny and motor together. > > The second time, I pulled the tranny and motor together, > and vowed never to do that again. It was faster and > simpler, but vastly more physical effort was required. > > Third time, pulled motor separately, and afterward > decided again that it was a mistake. > > What is the consensus on this list? > > Cheers, > > Bruce > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pulling Motors - Opinions?
FWIW: I always pull just the engine, if that is what I am working on. On a car I scrapped, I pulled engine and auto trans together. Factory says pull and replace together. With an auto trans, you must be vewy vewy careful on re-assembly if you leave the AT in the car. Pulling them together on a 123 is fairly easy because of the hood latches that let the hood stand up straight, and the spaciousness of the engine compartment. That said, I pulled just the engine on my 240D auto ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pulling Motors - Opinions?
I used a Chinese hoist and load leveler (to tilt the engine, not level it) when I R&R'd the engine/tranny in the 450SLC (not a light combo)- much easier than with out the "leveler" as I've always done it before. The "leveler" didn't bend, the crank tried to bind, but a shot of white lithium grease solved that issue. I'll be removing the engine and tranny as a unit, using the "leveler" from now on. I have a pair of 601's that we'll be doing this spring. On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Allan Streib wrote: > > > On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:29 -0500, "Mitch Haley" wrote: > > B Dike wrote: > > > > > What is the consensus on this list? > > > Note, the load levelers that sometimes come with chinese import engine > cranes are NOT strong enough to take the weight of the engine and tranny > together. They will bend and bind up. Ask me how I know. > > Allan > -- > > -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pulling Motors - Opinions?
Having a couple of friends along to help with such things, makes most jobs go faster. Most, not all. ;-) Yeah, but the beer runs out faster... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pulling Motors - Opinions?
Engine and transmission together, using either a good A-frame hoist or a proper engine hoist. Not that much physical effort, and in some cases, it's not possible to put the top bolts back into the tranny once the engine is in place (W115 300D for instance). Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pulling Motors - Opinions?
the proper way to do it on a MB is pull the engine/trans together. Much easier that way. B Dike wrote: All, The first time I swapped an engine, I left the tranny in the car and unbolted the motor. It was extremely slow and tedious. Afterward, I vowed to never do it that way again, and next time pull tranny and motor together. The second time, I pulled the tranny and motor together, and vowed never to do that again. It was faster and simpler, but vastly more physical effort was required. Third time, pulled motor separately, and afterward decided again that it was a mistake. What is the consensus on this list? Cheers, Bruce ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.129/2605 - Release Date: 01/07/10 01:35:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pulling Motors - Opinions?
On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:29 -0500, "Mitch Haley" wrote: > B Dike wrote: > > > What is the consensus on this list? > > Use a hoist and a hand cranked load leveler to pull the whole power > plant. Unhooking the tranny from the engine is too time consuming, and > lifting them together without a hoist hurts my back. Note, the load levelers that sometimes come with chinese import engine cranes are NOT strong enough to take the weight of the engine and tranny together. They will bend and bind up. Ask me how I know. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pulling Motors - Opinions?
> B Dike wrote: > All, > > The first time I swapped an engine, I left the tranny in the > car and unbolted the motor. It was extremely slow and > tedious. Afterward, I vowed to never do it that way again, > and next time pull tranny and motor together. The second time, > I pulled the tranny and motor together, and vowed never to do > that again. It was faster and simpler, but vastly more > physical effort was required. Third time, pulled motor > separately, and afterward decided again that it was a mistake. > What is the consensus on this list? Cheers, What car? I usually take the transmission out with the engine, but it can depend on the accessability of the transmission to engine connections. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pulling Motors - Opinions?
Buy a car that doesn't need to have the engine taken out 3 times. hee hee. Really, if I had to pull an engine out of a car twice, I'd only be reassembling it to sell it, and replace it. Having a couple of friends along to help with such things, makes most jobs go faster. Most, not all. ;-) Ed 300E 2010/1/7 B Dike > All, > > The first time I swapped an engine, I left the tranny in the car and > unbolted the motor. It was extremely slow and tedious. Afterward, I vowed > to never do it that way again, and next time pull tranny and motor together. > > The second time, I pulled the tranny and motor together, and vowed never to > do that again. It was faster and simpler, but vastly more physical effort > was required. > > Third time, pulled motor separately, and afterward decided again that it > was a mistake. > > What is the consensus on this list? > > Cheers, > > Bruce > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pulling Motors - Opinions?
B Dike wrote: What is the consensus on this list? Use a hoist and a hand cranked load leveler to pull the whole power plant. Unhooking the tranny from the engine is too time consuming, and lifting them together without a hoist hurts my back. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Pulling Motors - Opinions?
All, The first time I swapped an engine, I left the tranny in the car and unbolted the motor. It was extremely slow and tedious. Afterward, I vowed to never do it that way again, and next time pull tranny and motor together. The second time, I pulled the tranny and motor together, and vowed never to do that again. It was faster and simpler, but vastly more physical effort was required. Third time, pulled motor separately, and afterward decided again that it was a mistake. What is the consensus on this list? Cheers, Bruce ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
