Re: [MBZ] Ranting and raving
On Nov 28, 2007 7:14 AM, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My instant reaction when using a clicker wrench is "Now come on, > THAT's not tight!" Ha ha ha! Exactly my problem. (Sigh.) Especially when using it for fasteners where the torque figure seems absurdly low, like the 14 lb-ft or whatever for the oil filter cap nuts. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. with, doubtless, lots of overtightened bits ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ranting and raving
I carry a cheap torque wrench with short extension and socket with a Sharpie mark on the scale at the proper torque. I give it to the tire changer and ask him to torque it to the mark. Been doing that over thirty years with no problems other than arguments from tire changers that their air wrenches are set to the proper torque, etc., etc. When I get home I recheck the torque which is usually ok. The torque may be more critical on aluminum wheels. Gerry - From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > That was exactly my thoughts. The idea of changing a flat on the side of > a > road when its dark and rainy is no fun. > Add to that, me not being able to loosen the lug and it;s very > embarrassing. > ;-) > When I got home I had #1 son (construction worker & much stronger than I) > go > around and loosen, then torque all lugs (he knows how a torque wrench > works). Now, I KNOW they're right. And I will not be going back to that > shop. > > The worst part was that guys attitude that he could not *possibly* have > done > something incorrectly. I may eventually go back to explain to management > that they need to train their people in the use of a clicker torque > wrench - > the guy appeared to think it stopped tightening when the clicking > occurred. > I need to let them know as I am sure someone will have a flat and be > unable > to change it. > > Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > - Original Message - > From: "Hendrik & Fay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> It is advisable to double check the torque on wheel bolts/nuts after a >> visit to the tire shop, unless you know that the shop do good work. >> Another side affect of over tightened lugs is that if you have a flat it >> is hard to undo with the standard tire wrench, especially for the fairer >> sex. Nothing worse than going to the aid of a damsel in distress only to >> find that the job has you beat as well. >> >> LarryT wrote: >>> I went thru a similar situation with my 300D recently. Had the tires >>> rotated and the front end aligned. When they put the lugs on they were >>> wy to tight. When I got home I couldn;t break them loose. Took it >>> back >>> to the shop and a huge guy came around with a torque wrench (clicker >>> type) >>> and he wanted to prove he did it right - loosened one, and tightened >>> it - >>> pulled it until it clicked and continued another 1/8 turn or so, then >>> gave >>> it another pull for good measure for a total of 1/4 turn extra. Instead >>> of >>> ~90 #s it was probably closer to 120 or more. >>> >>> I started to show him how to use a torque wrench but his attitude told >>> me >>> he >>> didn;t want anyone to show him the right way.When he warps someones >>> expensive rotors maybe he'll listen. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ranting and raving
Thanks Jim I had seen this tool before but never knew its name. Dave H... -- From: "Jim Cathey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 11:20 AM To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ranting and raving >> OK I quit. What is a heli-coil kit: >> Is it like the blinker fluid? :) > > Sadly, it is quite real. It's a kit of stuff > you use to drill out a stripped hole oversize > and run new thread metal into it. Not cheap. > Not fun. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ranting and raving
> OK I quit. What is a heli-coil kit: > Is it like the blinker fluid? :) Sadly, it is quite real. It's a kit of stuff you use to drill out a stripped hole oversize and run new thread metal into it. Not cheap. Not fun. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ranting and raving
Hee hee, that one made me smile. No a helicoil is a brand name of wire inserts that you can use to repair stripped out threaded holes. http://www.emhart.com/products/helicoil.asp I wonder if they have one small enough to fix the exhaust cover bolt on my chainsaw? That stripped out a couple weekends ago. The saw is probably 35 years old, the bolt is steel going into aluminum in a high vibration environment... I was just going to tap the next size up going from standard to metric... -Curt Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:48:05 -0500 From: "Dave H..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ranting and raving To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original OK I quit. What is a heli-coil kit: Is it like the blinker fluid? :) Dave H... -- From: "Jim Cathey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 10:14 AM To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ranting and raving >> that they need to train their people in the use of a clicker torque >> wrench - >> the guy appeared to think it stopped tightening when the clicking >> occurred. > > My instant reaction when using a clicker wrench is "Now come on, > THAT's not tight!" > > Yes, I own a heli-coil kit. (Only one, so far.) > > -- Jim > > - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ranting and raving
OK I quit. What is a heli-coil kit: Is it like the blinker fluid? :) Dave H... -- From: "Jim Cathey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 10:14 AM To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ranting and raving >> that they need to train their people in the use of a clicker torque >> wrench - >> the guy appeared to think it stopped tightening when the clicking >> occurred. > > My instant reaction when using a clicker wrench is "Now come on, > THAT's not tight!" > > Yes, I own a heli-coil kit. (Only one, so far.) > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ranting and raving
> that they need to train their people in the use of a clicker torque > wrench - > the guy appeared to think it stopped tightening when the clicking > occurred. My instant reaction when using a clicker wrench is "Now come on, THAT's not tight!" Yes, I own a heli-coil kit. (Only one, so far.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ranting and raving
Just as we have been discussing recently - it's almost impossible to have work done properly - we pay good money to have a professional (supposedly) do this or that on our cars - yet they seem to be unable to do the simplest of chores - torqueing lugs or replacing oil drain plugs is routinely done incorrectly. It should be simple but they screw it up/ I guess things haven;t changed in 50 years - when I worked as a VW/Porsche mechanics apprentice (1968), I was given menial chores to do - oil changes for instance - and since I was paid virtually nothing, the shop made lots of money. - But at least I was trained in how to perform the various jobs. I don;t think the training is happening these days. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ranting and raving > Another reason why I won't let a tire shop touch my lug bolts. I take > the wheels off at home, take them to the shop for the new tires, and > put them on myself (you have to have more than one car for this trick > though). > > On Nov 27, 2007 6:12 PM, Hendrik & Fay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> It is advisable to double check the torque on wheel bolts/nuts after a >> visit to the tire shop, unless you know that the shop do good work. >> Another side affect of over tightened lugs is that if you have a flat it >> is hard to undo with the standard tire wrench, especially for the fairer >> sex. Nothing worse than going to the aid of a damsel in distress only to >> find that the job has you beat as well. >> > > > -- > OK Don, KD5NRO > Norman, OK > "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." > -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain > '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.9/1155 - Release Date: > 11/27/2007 8:30 PM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ranting and raving
That was exactly my thoughts. The idea of changing a flat on the side of a road when its dark and rainy is no fun. Add to that, me not being able to loosen the lug and it;s very embarrassing. ;-) When I got home I had #1 son (construction worker & much stronger than I) go around and loosen, then torque all lugs (he knows how a torque wrench works). Now, I KNOW they're right. And I will not be going back to that shop. The worst part was that guys attitude that he could not *possibly* have done something incorrectly. I may eventually go back to explain to management that they need to train their people in the use of a clicker torque wrench - the guy appeared to think it stopped tightening when the clicking occurred. I need to let them know as I am sure someone will have a flat and be unable to change it. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Hendrik & Fay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ranting and raving > It is advisable to double check the torque on wheel bolts/nuts after a > visit to the tire shop, unless you know that the shop do good work. > Another side affect of over tightened lugs is that if you have a flat it > is hard to undo with the standard tire wrench, especially for the fairer > sex. Nothing worse than going to the aid of a damsel in distress only to > find that the job has you beat as well. > > LarryT wrote: >> I went thru a similar situation with my 300D recently. Had the tires >> rotated and the front end aligned. When they put the lugs on they were >> wy to tight. When I got home I couldn;t break them loose. Took it >> back >> to the shop and a huge guy came around with a torque wrench (clicker >> type) >> and he wanted to prove he did it right - loosened one, and tightened it - >> pulled it until it clicked and continued another 1/8 turn or so, then >> gave >> it another pull for good measure for a total of 1/4 turn extra. Instead >> of >> ~90 #s it was probably closer to 120 or more. >> >> I started to show him how to use a torque wrench but his attitude told me >> he >> didn;t want anyone to show him the right way.When he warps someones >> expensive rotors maybe he'll listen. >> >> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.8/1154 - Release Date: > 11/27/2007 11:40 AM > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ranting and raving
Another reason why I won't let a tire shop touch my lug bolts. I take the wheels off at home, take them to the shop for the new tires, and put them on myself (you have to have more than one car for this trick though). On Nov 27, 2007 6:12 PM, Hendrik & Fay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is advisable to double check the torque on wheel bolts/nuts after a > visit to the tire shop, unless you know that the shop do good work. > Another side affect of over tightened lugs is that if you have a flat it > is hard to undo with the standard tire wrench, especially for the fairer > sex. Nothing worse than going to the aid of a damsel in distress only to > find that the job has you beat as well. > -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ranting and raving
It is advisable to double check the torque on wheel bolts/nuts after a visit to the tire shop, unless you know that the shop do good work. Another side affect of over tightened lugs is that if you have a flat it is hard to undo with the standard tire wrench, especially for the fairer sex. Nothing worse than going to the aid of a damsel in distress only to find that the job has you beat as well. LarryT wrote: > I went thru a similar situation with my 300D recently. Had the tires > rotated and the front end aligned. When they put the lugs on they were > wy to tight. When I got home I couldn;t break them loose. Took it back > to the shop and a huge guy came around with a torque wrench (clicker type) > and he wanted to prove he did it right - loosened one, and tightened it - > pulled it until it clicked and continued another 1/8 turn or so, then gave > it another pull for good measure for a total of 1/4 turn extra. Instead of > ~90 #s it was probably closer to 120 or more. > > I started to show him how to use a torque wrench but his attitude told me he > didn;t want anyone to show him the right way.When he warps someones > expensive rotors maybe he'll listen. > > Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
