Re: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing

2008-12-25 Thread Peter Merle
2008/12/24 Tom Savage tesav...@gmail.com

 Peter Merle wrote:

 Here in S .Africa one got a Chrome ( Stainless Steel ? ) backing plate ,
 very much the same as the front one thats on the EPC. I'l try and find out
 what the part number is.
 PEter


 I've never seen a euro 123s with a rear bracket, and the EPC doesn't show
 one.  But, the EPC doesn't show a rear bracket for South Africa, either.
  There's probably an SA code for that; do you have the VIN for a South
 African car handy?  The front bracket is P/N 123 817 03 78 with two of 116
 810 06 14 between the bracket and the bumper.

 Good Christmas, everyone.

 Tom
 Off to Indiana for a few days.


Tom,
A lot of the S.Africa parts are captured on the EPC ( eg radiator ) so I am
not surprised its not there. My car is 1979 and does not register a datacard
on the EPC. EPC for W123 's I believe only started arround 1982
Peter



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Re: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing

2008-12-24 Thread Tom Savage

Peter Merle wrote:

Here in S .Africa one got a Chrome ( Stainless Steel ? ) backing plate ,
very much the same as the front one thats on the EPC. I'l try and find out
what the part number is.
PEter


I've never seen a euro 123s with a rear bracket, and the EPC doesn't 
show one.  But, the EPC doesn't show a rear bracket for South Africa, 
either.  There's probably an SA code for that; do you have the VIN for a 
South African car handy?  The front bracket is P/N 123 817 03 78 with 
two of 116 810 06 14 between the bracket and the bumper.


Good Christmas, everyone.

Tom
Off to Indiana for a few days.

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Re: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing

2008-12-24 Thread andrew strasfogel
My ex-BIL negotiated the purchase of an Audi Fox back in the 70s (what a
POS!).  The salesman had the car prepped and driven around for pickup after
the paperwork was completed.  Ex BIL saw that the prep work included a rear
bumper sticker and front and rear license plate frames promoting the
dealership.  He threatened to back out of the deal unless all identifying
material was REMOVED.  This caused severe heartburn but they did it.  Can't
remember if the sticker removal damaged the paint, but if it did then the
dealership was on the hook to repaint the rear end.

On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Tom Savage tesav...@gmail.com wrote:

 Peter Merle wrote:

 Here in S .Africa one got a Chrome ( Stainless Steel ? ) backing plate ,
 very much the same as the front one thats on the EPC. I'l try and find out
 what the part number is.
 PEter


 I've never seen a euro 123s with a rear bracket, and the EPC doesn't show
 one.  But, the EPC doesn't show a rear bracket for South Africa, either.
  There's probably an SA code for that; do you have the VIN for a South
 African car handy?  The front bracket is P/N 123 817 03 78 with two of 116
 810 06 14 between the bracket and the bumper.

 Good Christmas, everyone.

 Tom
 Off to Indiana for a few days.


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Re: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing

2008-12-24 Thread LWB250
The few times I've bought a new car I have put this in the contract.  What 
usually ends up is that they still put a license plate frame on it.  I'm not 
going to argue over that because I can remove it (and I do) within minutes of 
arriving home.

It's the dealers that used to paint or use stickers on their cars that had 
problems.  I remember buying a Ford Escort in 91 that had to go back to the 
dealer's body shop the day after I got it so they could remove the dealer's 
logo that was stickered on the hatch lid.

The guy from the body shop that did it thought it was pretty funny.

Dan


--- On Wed, 12/24/08, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 10:33 AM
 My ex-BIL negotiated the purchase of
 an Audi Fox back in the 70s (what a
 POS!).  The salesman had the car prepped and driven
 around for pickup after
 the paperwork was completed.  Ex BIL saw that the prep
 work included a rear
 bumper sticker and front and rear license plate frames
 promoting the
 dealership.  He threatened to back out of the deal
 unless all identifying
 material was REMOVED.  This caused severe heartburn
 but they did it.  Can't
 remember if the sticker removal damaged the paint, but if
 it did then the
 dealership was on the hook to repaint the rear end.
 
 On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Tom Savage tesav...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Peter Merle wrote:
 
  Here in S .Africa one got a Chrome ( Stainless
 Steel ? ) backing plate ,
  very much the same as the front one thats on the
 EPC. I'l try and find out
  what the part number is.
  PEter
 
 
  I've never seen a euro 123s with a rear bracket, and
 the EPC doesn't show
  one.  But, the EPC doesn't show a rear bracket
 for South Africa, either.
   There's probably an SA code for that; do you
 have the VIN for a South
  African car handy?  The front bracket is P/N 123
 817 03 78 with two of 116
  810 06 14 between the bracket and the bumper.
 
  Good Christmas, everyone.
 
  Tom
  Off to Indiana for a few days.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing

2008-12-24 Thread Donald Snook
Andrew wrote: My ex-BIL negotiated the purchase of an Audi Fox back in the 70s 
(what a POS!).  The salesman had the car prepped and driven around for pickup 
after the paperwork was completed.  Ex BIL saw that the prep work included a 
rear bumper sticker and front and rear license plate frames promoting the 
dealership.  He threatened to back out of the deal unless all identifying 
material was REMOVED.  This caused severe heartburn but they did it.  Can't 
remember if the sticker removal damaged the paint, but if it did then the 
dealership was on the hook to repaint the rear end.

I had to deal with one of the angriest customers I have ever dealt with (at the 
dealership) because of a similar problem.  The late 90's and Early 2000's 
Cutlass Supremes had a panel on the rear trunk lid that had silver paint in the 
reflector (sort of hard to describe) and it was covered under warranty. So, we 
had ordered one for a customer and installed it for him.  The technician also 
put a Don Wessel decal on the panel.  It was a small and pretty tasteful 
decal. Whenever we replaced one of these panels we put the decal on them 
because we assumed that the prior one had one on it.  The vast majority of our 
customers bought the car from us, so it would have had one on it when they got 
it.

Well, this guy comes tearing around and raising all sorts of hell, screaming 
and yelling about how we put that on his car and he didn't want it.  It was 
quite a scene.  It really was so out of proportion to what we had done.  I 
tried to calm him down and he was just crazy. Eventually, we were able to take 
it off without any trouble and he left.  He came back a few weeks later for an 
oil change and never said anything about it.


Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing

2008-12-24 Thread Wilton Strickland
'Just went to the car wash.  In the few blocks there and back, I saw three
of the dealer ad plate frames; two of 'em had the state name covered AND
dealer ad stickers on the trunks.

Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing


The few times I've bought a new car I have put this in the contract.  What
usually ends up is that they still put a license plate frame on it.  I'm not
going to argue over that because I can remove it (and I do) within minutes
of arriving home.

It's the dealers that used to paint or use stickers on their cars that had
problems.  I remember buying a Ford Escort in 91 that had to go back to the
dealer's body shop the day after I got it so they could remove the dealer's
logo that was stickered on the hatch lid.

The guy from the body shop that did it thought it was pretty funny.

Dan


--- On Wed, 12/24/08, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 10:33 AM
 My ex-BIL negotiated the purchase of
 an Audi Fox back in the 70s (what a
 POS!). The salesman had the car prepped and driven
 around for pickup after
 the paperwork was completed. Ex BIL saw that the prep
 work included a rear
 bumper sticker and front and rear license plate frames
 promoting the
 dealership. He threatened to back out of the deal
 unless all identifying
 material was REMOVED. This caused severe heartburn
 but they did it. Can't
 remember if the sticker removal damaged the paint, but if
 it did then the
 dealership was on the hook to repaint the rear end.

 On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Tom Savage tesav...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Peter Merle wrote:
 
  Here in S .Africa one got a Chrome ( Stainless
 Steel ? ) backing plate ,
  very much the same as the front one thats on the
 EPC. I'l try and find out
  what the part number is.
  PEter
 
 
  I've never seen a euro 123s with a rear bracket, and
 the EPC doesn't show
  one. But, the EPC doesn't show a rear bracket
 for South Africa, either.
  There's probably an SA code for that; do you
 have the VIN for a South
  African car handy? The front bracket is P/N 123
 817 03 78 with two of 116
  810 06 14 between the bracket and the bumper.
 
  Good Christmas, everyone.
 
  Tom
  Off to Indiana for a few days.
 
 
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[MBZ] Rear License plate backing

2008-12-23 Thread Peter Merle
I'm trying to find out if US and / or European W123 sedans came with a
chromed rear license plate backing plate. Local - South African ones did but
I have a German import and that one appears not to have one - not sure if
that's correct for that car or not. Anyone know ?
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Re: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing

2008-12-23 Thread Wilton Strickland
Any such backing plates or frames that I've seen here in NC, USA, are
after market, often also displaying somebody's advertisement/dealership,
etc.

Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 3:40 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing


 I'm trying to find out if US and / or European W123 sedans came with a
 chromed rear license plate backing plate. Local - South African ones did
but
 I have a German import and that one appears not to have one - not sure if
 that's correct for that car or not. Anyone know ?
 PEter
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Re: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing

2008-12-23 Thread TE
I think hes talking about the mounting bracket... not a license plate frame.
I know my W126 had one, but both W123s ive owned only had the machine screw
holes in the body.

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On Behalf Of Wilton Strickland
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 6:17 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing

Any such backing plates or frames that I've seen here in NC, USA, are
after market, often also displaying somebody's advertisement/dealership,
etc.

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: Peter Merle merle.pe...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 3:40 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing


 I'm trying to find out if US and / or European W123 sedans came with a
 chromed rear license plate backing plate. Local - South African ones did
but
 I have a German import and that one appears not to have one - not sure if
 that's correct for that car or not. Anyone know ?
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Re: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing

2008-12-23 Thread LWB250
The 126 had a license plate mounting plate, but the only ones I ever saw were 
painted black.

Dan

--- On Tue, 12/23/08, TE ban...@carolina.rr.com wrote:

 From: TE ban...@carolina.rr.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing
 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 9:46 PM
 I think hes talking about the
 mounting bracket... not a license plate frame.
 I know my W126 had one, but both W123s ive owned only had
 the machine screw
 holes in the body.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
 [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
 On Behalf Of Wilton Strickland
 Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 6:17 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing
 
 Any such backing plates or frames that I've seen here in
 NC, USA, are
 after market, often also displaying somebody's
 advertisement/dealership,
 etc.
 
 Wilton
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Peter Merle merle.pe...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 3:40 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing
 
 
  I'm trying to find out if US and / or European W123
 sedans came with a
  chromed rear license plate backing plate. Local -
 South African ones did
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  I have a German import and that one appears not to
 have one - not sure if
  that's correct for that car or not. Anyone know ?
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Re: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing

2008-12-23 Thread Wilton Strickland
That's why I've never seen one on a 123 - only the aftermarket crap.

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: TE ban...@carolina.rr.com
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing


 I think hes talking about the mounting bracket... not a license plate
frame.
 I know my W126 had one, but both W123s ive owned only had the machine
screw
 holes in the body.

 -Original Message-
 From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
 On Behalf Of Wilton Strickland
 Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 6:17 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing

 Any such backing plates or frames that I've seen here in NC, USA, are
 after market, often also displaying somebody's advertisement/dealership,
 etc.

 Wilton

 - Original Message -
 From: Peter Merle merle.pe...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 3:40 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing


  I'm trying to find out if US and / or European W123 sedans came with a
  chromed rear license plate backing plate. Local - South African ones did
 but
  I have a German import and that one appears not to have one - not sure
if
  that's correct for that car or not. Anyone know ?
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Re: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing

2008-12-23 Thread Robert Rentfro
That's what Chuck is talking about. Out here it seems every dealer has to
slap on their plate frame on your car when you buy it. 
Or, any other type like the ones that say My other car is a Mooney or I
heart my dog head.
Now when the speeding cameras take your picture they can tack on the extra
$135 for covering up Arizona

Bob R

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Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 8:08 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing

That's why I've never seen one on a 123 - only the aftermarket crap.

Wilton

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From: TE ban...@carolina.rr.com
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing


 I think hes talking about the mounting bracket... not a license plate
frame.
 I know my W126 had one, but both W123s ive owned only had the machine
screw
 holes in the body.

 -Original Message-
 From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
 On Behalf Of Wilton Strickland
 Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 6:17 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing

 Any such backing plates or frames that I've seen here in NC, USA, are
 after market, often also displaying somebody's advertisement/dealership,
 etc.

 Wilton

 - Original Message -
 From: Peter Merle merle.pe...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 3:40 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing


  I'm trying to find out if US and / or European W123 sedans came with a
  chromed rear license plate backing plate. Local - South African ones did
 but
  I have a German import and that one appears not to have one - not sure
if
  that's correct for that car or not. Anyone know ?
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Re: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing

2008-12-23 Thread Wilton Strickland
Yes, I know.

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: Robert Rentfro rrent...@cox.net
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing


 That's what Chuck is talking about. Out here it seems every dealer has to
 slap on their plate frame on your car when you buy it.
 Or, any other type like the ones that say My other car is a Mooney or I
 heart my dog head.
 Now when the speeding cameras take your picture they can tack on the extra
 $135 for covering up Arizona

 Bob R

 -Original Message-
 From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
 On Behalf Of Wilton Strickland
 Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 8:08 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing

 That's why I've never seen one on a 123 - only the aftermarket crap.

 Wilton

 - Original Message -
 From: TE ban...@carolina.rr.com
 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 9:46 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing


  I think hes talking about the mounting bracket... not a license plate
 frame.
  I know my W126 had one, but both W123s ive owned only had the machine
 screw
  holes in the body.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
  On Behalf Of Wilton Strickland
  Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 6:17 PM
  To: Mercedes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing
 
  Any such backing plates or frames that I've seen here in NC, USA, are
  after market, often also displaying somebody's advertisement/dealership,
  etc.
 
  Wilton
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Peter Merle merle.pe...@gmail.com
  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 3:40 PM
  Subject: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing
 
 
   I'm trying to find out if US and / or European W123 sedans came with a
   chromed rear license plate backing plate. Local - South African ones
did
  but
   I have a German import and that one appears not to have one - not sure
 if
   that's correct for that car or not. Anyone know ?
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Re: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing

2008-12-23 Thread Peter Merle
Here in S .Africa one got a Chrome ( Stainless Steel ? ) backing plate ,
very much the same as the front one thats on the EPC. I'l try and find out
what the part number is.
PEter

2008/12/24 Wilton Strickland wilt...@nc.rr.com

 Yes, I know.

 Wilton

 - Original Message -
 From: Robert Rentfro rrent...@cox.net
 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 10:53 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing


  That's what Chuck is talking about. Out here it seems every dealer has to
  slap on their plate frame on your car when you buy it.
  Or, any other type like the ones that say My other car is a Mooney or
 I
  heart my dog head.
  Now when the speeding cameras take your picture they can tack on the
 extra
  $135 for covering up Arizona
 
  Bob R
 
  -Original Message-
  From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:
 mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
  On Behalf Of Wilton Strickland
  Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 8:08 PM
  To: Mercedes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing
 
  That's why I've never seen one on a 123 - only the aftermarket crap.
 
  Wilton
 
  - Original Message -
  From: TE ban...@carolina.rr.com
  To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 9:46 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing
 
 
   I think hes talking about the mounting bracket... not a license plate
  frame.
   I know my W126 had one, but both W123s ive owned only had the machine
  screw
   holes in the body.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
 [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
   On Behalf Of Wilton Strickland
   Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 6:17 PM
   To: Mercedes Discussion List
   Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing
  
   Any such backing plates or frames that I've seen here in NC, USA, are
   after market, often also displaying somebody's
 advertisement/dealership,
   etc.
  
   Wilton
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Peter Merle merle.pe...@gmail.com
   To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
   Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 3:40 PM
   Subject: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing
  
  
I'm trying to find out if US and / or European W123 sedans came with
 a
chromed rear license plate backing plate. Local - South African ones
 did
   but
I have a German import and that one appears not to have one - not
 sure
  if
that's correct for that car or not. Anyone know ?
PEter
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