Re: [MBZ] Rear Shock Absorbers
Amen Tom H. Regards Tom Scordato - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear Shock Absorbers Tom S., A big part of your issue was Monroe verses Bilstien. I put Monroe shocks on one of my Mercedes once and will never do it again. They were dead in 12,000 miles. I don't know for sure but I believe that the Mercedes just wore out the hydraulic fluid inside the shocks. They still had their gas charge and the car still passed the bounce test when I pulled them off. Just go ahead and purchase your Bilstien shocks from Rusty. Both Rusty and you Mercedes will appreciate you for the new shocks. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Scordato Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:32 AM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear Shock Absorbers Hans said What I was told is if you push the bumper down and let go, it should come up and stay there. If it bounces up and down - needs new shocks. Not always the case. I did this test on my 1977 300D. Passed with flying colors, when I did the push test. But still drove like trash. Had old monroe shocks on it. Changed to Bilestiens. Best thing I ever did. Regards Tom Scordato Bellefonte PA 1977 300D 1979 240D - Original Message - From: Hans Neureiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear Shock Absorbers What I was told is if you push the bumper down and let go, it should come up and stay there. If it bounces up and down - needs new shocks. Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D On 12/13/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you know when to replace the shocks ? Does anybody ever just keep the orginals ?-- ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Rear Shock Absorbers
I just ask my brother-in-law. He does this stuff for a living and is paid quite well for being car smart. On 12/13/05, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you know when to replace the shocks? If it fails the traditional bounce test, they're bad. But they may be somewhat bad long before that. I think that if you've got 100-200kmi on them, they'd probably benefit from replacement! I replaced the original ones in the rear of our SDL, at something like 180kmi, and I'm no longer sure exactly why. (I'm sure I was chasing some symptom or another.) But I kept the old ones, as I didn't really notice much difference with the new ones. Those old used shocks were eventually put into the Chicken Wagon, replacing the non-OEM Kyb's that were there, for a noticeable improvement. -- Jim ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 1977 240D 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
Re: [MBZ] Rear Shock Absorbers
Shocks loose their damping ability long before they fail the bounce test. If you feel your Mercedes float whe going over a rise in the road or the front or rear end tend to rebound after going over a bump then you are probably due. Four things cause shock failure - they are: Gas pressure loss Fluid loss Internal valving failure (internal wear) Damper fluid breakdown Only fluid loss can be measured from the outside because it's obvious. It will be obvious that you needed shocks after you replace them. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of LT Don Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 7:22 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear Shock Absorbers I just ask my brother-in-law. He does this stuff for a living and is paid quite well for being car smart. On 12/13/05, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you know when to replace the shocks? If it fails the traditional bounce test, they're bad. But they may be somewhat bad long before that. I think that if you've got 100-200kmi on them, they'd probably benefit from replacement! I replaced the original ones in the rear of our SDL, at something like 180kmi, and I'm no longer sure exactly why. (I'm sure I was chasing some symptom or another.) But I kept the old ones, as I didn't really notice much difference with the new ones. Those old used shocks were eventually put into the Chicken Wagon, replacing the non-OEM Kyb's that were there, for a noticeable improvement. -- Jim ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 1977 240D 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Rear Shock Absorbers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you know when to replace the shocks ? Does anybody ever just keep the orginals ? Mercedes outlines a test for shocks. It requires that the shock be removed and measured. That's the ONLY accurate test. It requires a little more labor than just to replace the shock! Since it's rare that there is much question until the shock approaches (or often exceeds) 100kmi (so is already thru at least half of it potential life). It's rare that it doesn't make sense to replace the shock rather than replace a shock that's well more than half worn out. Each of the my cars has benefited from shock replacement by 200kmi (long before they fail the bounce test). Heavier cars (or cars that are driven HARD) may require replacement sooner (some as soon as 100+kmi). By the time a car fails the bounce test the shock is totally trashed and the driving characteristics of the car doesn't resemble anything Mercedes designed! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] Rear Shock Absorbers
Neither me nor my car has any problem with gas pressure failure. ... If we could just harness that energy. We had enough gas at the last OkieQ to keep all of our fleets (even Kleb's) riding firm into the next century. Can you say brauts? On 12/15/05, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Four things cause shock failure - they are: Gas pressure loss -- 1977 240D 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
Re: [MBZ] Rear Shock Absorbers
Marshall -- Which is more expensive, removing and testing the shock, or just replacing it? I think Rusty's quote was $240 for four shocks and labor is free. Busted knuckles and a visit to the ER not included in this cost estimate. On 12/15/05, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mercedes outlines a test for shocks. It requires that the shock be removed and measured. That's the ONLY accurate test. -- 1977 240D 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
Re: [MBZ] Rear Shock Absorbers
Hans said What I was told is if you push the bumper down and let go, it should come up and stay there. If it bounces up and down - needs new shocks. Not always the case. I did this test on my 1977 300D. Passed with flying colors, when I did the push test. But still drove like trash. Had old monroe shocks on it. Changed to Bilestiens. Best thing I ever did. Regards Tom Scordato Bellefonte PA 1977 300D 1979 240D - Original Message - From: Hans Neureiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear Shock Absorbers What I was told is if you push the bumper down and let go, it should come up and stay there. If it bounces up and down - needs new shocks. Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D On 12/13/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you know when to replace the shocks ? Does anybody ever just keep the orginals ?-- ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Rear Shock Absorbers
I had no clue they were on there, it will probably ride alot better with bilsteins. Luther Gulseth wrote: the '85 300D my parents bought from Kaleb had Monroe's on it. HOW DARE YOU Kaleb! Ok, I know it was the PO. -Original Message- From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 15, 2005 12:51 PM To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear Shock Absorbers Tom S., A big part of your issue was Monroe verses Bilstien. I put Monroe shocks on one of my Mercedes once and will never do it again. They were dead in 12,000 miles. I don't know for sure but I believe that the Mercedes just wore out the hydraulic fluid inside the shocks. They still had their gas charge and the car still passed the bounce test when I pulled them off. Just go ahead and purchase your Bilstien shocks from Rusty. Both Rusty and you Mercedes will appreciate you for the new shocks. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Scordato Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:32 AM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear Shock Absorbers Hans said What I was told is if you push the bumper down and let go, it should come up and stay there. If it bounces up and down - needs new shocks. Not always the case. I did this test on my 1977 300D. Passed with flying colors, when I did the push test. But still drove like trash. Had old monroe shocks on it. Changed to Bilestiens. Best thing I ever did. Regards Tom Scordato Bellefonte PA 1977 300D 1979 240D - Original Message - From: Hans Neureiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear Shock Absorbers What I was told is if you push the bumper down and let go, it should come up and stay there. If it bounces up and down - needs new shocks. Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D On 12/13/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you know when to replace the shocks ? Does anybody ever just keep the orginals ?-- ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (happily running diesel/WVO mix) '82 300CD slate grey, black interior, 152,xxx mi ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] Rear Shock Absorbers
it already does. They were on the rear. -Original Message- From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 15, 2005 1:00 PM To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear Shock Absorbers I had no clue they were on there, it will probably ride alot better with bilsteins. Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (happily running diesel/WVO mix) '82 300CD slate grey, black interior, 152,xxx mi
Re: [MBZ] Rear Shock Absorbers
I replace shocks when the ride is harsh. No fancy testing. 9 of the 10 Mercedes I have owned required new shocks. The only one with a perfect ride was the first - a 1973 280. On 12/15/05, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it already does. They were on the rear. -Original Message- From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 15, 2005 1:00 PM To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear Shock Absorbers I had no clue they were on there, it will probably ride alot better with bilsteins. Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (happily running diesel/WVO mix) '82 300CD slate grey, black interior, 152,xxx mi ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Rear Shock Absorbers
Tom wrote:I put Monroe shocks on one of my Mercedes once and will never do
it again
If you'll hold a Monroe and a Bilstein side-by-side you'll see the
problem/difference. The cylinder and rod are both about twice the diameter
of the one's on a Monroe! If you see Monroe's on a used MB be careful and
check to see if other maintanence shortcuts were taken. Often thru
ignorance of the quality issue or a desire to save money, the Monroes will
be used instead of the Bilsteins. In this case, you really *do* get what
you pay for. The Monroes are often 1/2 the cost of the Bilsteins.
Looking at Monroes installed on the W123 might look OK until you see
what it looks like with Bilsteins! Comparable to Bilsteins are Boge's and
for a more sporty setting, Koni. There's a couple of other's that compare
favorably to Bilstein but I can't recall them at the moment -
The bounce test only works when the shock has already failed completely.
Don't forget to replace the steering shock when needed as well - often,
when they're bad, you'll get a vibration/shimmy in the steering and
kick-back when hitting road bumps. But if you want to really check them,
remove the outter bolt and try to move the shaft it in/out - resistance
should be difficult to overcome.
The steering shock is not very expensive considering the improvement a
new one will make - often between $20 and $30 and only 2 bolts to replace.
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB)
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From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear Shock Absorbers
Tom S.,
A big part of your issue was Monroe verses Bilstien.
I put Monroe shocks on one of my Mercedes once and will never do it again.
They were dead in 12,000 miles. I don't know for sure but I believe that
the
Mercedes just wore out the hydraulic fluid inside the shocks. They still
had
their gas charge and the car still passed the bounce test when I pulled
them
off.
Just go ahead and purchase your Bilstien shocks from Rusty. Both Rusty and
you Mercedes will appreciate you for the new shocks.
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Scordato
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:32 AM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear Shock Absorbers
Hans said
What I was told is if you push the bumper down and let go, it should come
up
and stay there. If it bounces up and down - needs new shocks.
Not always the case. I did this test on my 1977 300D. Passed with flying
colors, when I did the push test. But still drove like trash. Had old
monroe shocks on it. Changed to Bilestiens. Best thing I ever did.
Regards Tom Scordato
Bellefonte PA
1977 300D
1979 240D
- Original Message -
From: Hans Neureiter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear Shock Absorbers
What I was told is if you push the bumper down and let go, it should come
up
and stay there. If it bounces up and down - needs new shocks.
Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX
'82 300SD, '95 E300D
On 12/13/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How do you know when to replace the shocks ? Does anybody ever just
keep
the orginals ?--
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Re: [MBZ] Rear Shock Absorbers
What sort of job is it to RR the rear shocks on an 82 240D? Anyone done this? Any special equipment or tools needed? How difficult? It's easy. Nothing special required, except maybe some good penetrating juice on the bottom bolts. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Rear Shock Absorbers
Yes, I've done it. It's fairly simple. If I can do it, anyone can. Ron Dwelle On Dec 13, 2005, at 11:15 AM, Jerry Herrman wrote: What sort of job is it to RR the rear shocks on an 82 240D? Anyone done this? Any special equipment or tools needed? How difficult? Thanks in advance Jerry 1982 240D 227,000 miles original shocks ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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How do you know when to replace the shocks ? Does anybody ever just keep the orginals ? Dan E 82 300D-T 90kmi Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection.
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I know that some shocks can be rebuilt. I think I had some on a previous car that I sent to Hilliard, OH (Truechoice?) for rebuilding. I think they were Koni shocks and the rebuild cost around $85. less freight. If I'm correct about this you can give the car the old rebound test, although I'm pretty sure other listers will chime in with better ways to check. Get over the appropriate corner of the car (where you think the bad shock is located) and push like heck on it a few times. Then when you stop pushing, see how long/how many times it bounces up before it finally settles down. Anything more than one cycle means that the shock is in need of replacement. The shock modulates the action of the springs, if there were no shocks, the springs would just keep going boing, boing, boing, (techincal terminology) and you'd never get a stable ride. Best regards, Tom Reynolds Sand Springs, OK At 11:58 AM 12/13/2005 -0500, you wrote: How do you know when to replace the shocks ? Does anybody ever just keep the orginals ? Dan E 82 300D-T 90kmi Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005
Re: [MBZ] Rear Shock Absorbers
How do you know when to replace the shocks? If it fails the traditional bounce test, they're bad. But they may be somewhat bad long before that. I think that if you've got 100-200kmi on them, they'd probably benefit from replacement! I replaced the original ones in the rear of our SDL, at something like 180kmi, and I'm no longer sure exactly why. (I'm sure I was chasing some symptom or another.) But I kept the old ones, as I didn't really notice much difference with the new ones. Those old used shocks were eventually put into the Chicken Wagon, replacing the non-OEM Kyb's that were there, for a noticeable improvement. -- Jim
