Re: [MBZ] S Class in top ten least reliable cars
Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Curly is really Loren, right? I haven't seen Curly expounding on the virtues of corn whiskey as a gasoline additive. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] S Class in top ten least reliable cars
OK Don via Mercedes wrote: http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autosluxury/the-10-least-reliable-cars/ss-BBezB2q#image=2 Well, that article ranks it as more reliable than a Dodge Dart, Ford Fiesta or Chevy Cruze Turbo. And far more reliable than the Jeep Cherokee, which has a reputation for serious reliability issues with its...wait for it...Bluetooth pairing! (I'd be a lot more upset if my brand new S-classe had active suspension problems than if my Jeep refused to stay interfaced with my phone) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] S Class in top ten least reliable cars
Its interesting how many are listed because of some infotainment problem (Navigation, bluetooth, etc). Seeing as the quality of these features for the US in the S class have been largely my responsibility over the last 4 years or so, I'm quite pleased :-) Jaime On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: OK Don via Mercedes wrote: http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autosluxury/the-10-least-reliable-cars/ss- BBezB2q#image=2 Well, that article ranks it as more reliable than a Dodge Dart, Ford Fiesta or Chevy Cruze Turbo. And far more reliable than the Jeep Cherokee, which has a reputation for serious reliability issues with its...wait for it...Bluetooth pairing! (I'd be a lot more upset if my brand new S-classe had active suspension problems than if my Jeep refused to stay interfaced with my phone) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] S Class in top ten least reliable cars
You should remember that the normal Mercedes maintenance is considered a defect in these surveys. The normal auto buyer in the US thinks that brake pads should last at least 10 years, and changing oil is a biannual sort of thing. A Mercedes is unreliable if it requires service at 20,000 mile intervals, as they NEVER perform any routine maintenance. I've been seeing this for decades. Of course, the Mercedes will last them 30 years, but the typical buyer (most of them are leased now) is bored with the loss of absolute newness in a couple years and want's another one. That said, the newer models are NOT as rock solid as the older ones, excepting the rust issues with the ones made in the late 60's and early 70's with Russian high phosphate steel. Seen any W116s lately? New models have electronic problems, which appear to be getting worse, and suffer from much lower quality build (thank you Chrysler!) and I'm not sure what I'm going to replace my W124's with when they do wear out -- 250k on the TE and 410k on the 300D. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] S Class in top ten least reliable cars
Replace it with a w204 c class. Those are quite reliable from what I've been hearing. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 22, 2014, at 9:52 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You should remember that the normal Mercedes maintenance is considered a defect in these surveys. The normal auto buyer in the US thinks that brake pads should last at least 10 years, and changing oil is a biannual sort of thing. A Mercedes is unreliable if it requires service at 20,000 mile intervals, as they NEVER perform any routine maintenance. I've been seeing this for decades. Of course, the Mercedes will last them 30 years, but the typical buyer (most of them are leased now) is bored with the loss of absolute newness in a couple years and want's another one. That said, the newer models are NOT as rock solid as the older ones, excepting the rust issues with the ones made in the late 60's and early 70's with Russian high phosphate steel. Seen any W116s lately? New models have electronic problems, which appear to be getting worse, and suffer from much lower quality build (thank you Chrysler!) and I'm not sure what I'm going to replace my W124's with when they do wear out -- 250k on the TE and 410k on the 300D. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] S Class in top ten least reliable cars
and I'm not sure what I'm going to replace my W124's with when they do wear out -- 250k on the TE and 410k on the 300D. Peter I figured that out just before I tried to sell the 240D. As I get older, chances are that the range I travel from home base is likely to get smaller. (assuming a normal progression) Therefore, a 240D becomes the ideal transportation for a less than 200 mile range. (not that they are not capable of a 2000 or 3000 range, but 5 or 6 cyl Diesels are more comfortable for those trips.) So, the last car I drive will likely be a 240D, and that is why I have 2 in ready reserve state. 240Ds also store well. they can sit for a year or 2 at a time, then start up and go as if you only ran them yesterday. (provided you maintain the battery and keep the bugs out of the fuel.) My replacement for 124s and 126s will be the 123.123.10 Or maybe if I get feeble, a 123. 123.12 for gassers, most 'merkun cars/vans are adequate. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] S Class in top ten least reliable cars
The W140 is a pretty reliable chassis, especially if you go for the post “facelift” models of 1996 and later. The electronics are solid and the body/chassis/engine are robust and easy to service. I was pretty reluctant to take one on, but now that I have two with several years and miles under my belt, I’m pretty comfortable with them. Both have been very reliable cars and relatively trouble free considering they both now have over 265k on each. Dan On Nov 22, 2014, at 10:31 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: and I'm not sure what I'm going to replace my W124's with when they do wear out -- 250k on the TE and 410k on the 300D. Peter I figured that out just before I tried to sell the 240D. As I get older, chances are that the range I travel from home base is likely to get smaller. (assuming a normal progression) Therefore, a 240D becomes the ideal transportation for a less than 200 mile range. (not that they are not capable of a 2000 or 3000 range, but 5 or 6 cyl Diesels are more comfortable for those trips.) So, the last car I drive will likely be a 240D, and that is why I have 2 in ready reserve state. 240Ds also store well. they can sit for a year or 2 at a time, then start up and go as if you only ran them yesterday. (provided you maintain the battery and keep the bugs out of the fuel.) My replacement for 124s and 126s will be the 123.123.10 Or maybe if I get feeble, a 123. 123.12 for gassers, most 'merkun cars/vans are adequate. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] S Class in top ten least reliable cars
The W140 is a pretty reliable chassis, especially if you go for the post facelift models of 1996 and later. The electronics are solid and the body/chassis/engine are robust and easy to service. I was pretty reluctant to take one on, but now that I have two with several years and miles under my belt, I'm pretty comfortable with them. Both have been very reliable cars and relatively trouble free considering they both now have over 265k on each. Dan But those are both smelly gassers aren't they? (Real Mercedes run on Diesel Fuel) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] S Class in top ten least reliable cars
From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Kaleb C. Striplin Subject: Re: [MBZ] S Class in top ten least reliable cars Curly is really Loren, right? Yes. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] S Class in top ten least reliable cars
On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 08:22:05 -0500 Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Its interesting how many are listed because of some infotainment problem (Navigation, bluetooth, etc). Seeing as the quality of these features for the US in the S class have been largely my responsibility over the last 4 years or so, I'm quite pleased :-) Congratulations! Way to go! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] S Class in top ten least reliable cars
They are, but since the diesel W140s have been less than reliable with the engine choice they offered, there’s something to be said for vergassers in this case. Don’t think there are very many W140 oil burners that have 270k on their clocks with the original engines. Fuel is cheaper, too. And mine don’t smell. At least I’ve never smelled them. Dan On Nov 22, 2014, at 11:04 AM, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote: The W140 is a pretty reliable chassis, especially if you go for the post facelift models of 1996 and later. The electronics are solid and the body/chassis/engine are robust and easy to service. I was pretty reluctant to take one on, but now that I have two with several years and miles under my belt, I'm pretty comfortable with them. Both have been very reliable cars and relatively trouble free considering they both now have over 265k on each. Dan But those are both smelly gassers aren't they? (Real Mercedes run on Diesel Fuel) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] S Class in top ten least reliable cars
http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autosluxury/the-10-least-reliable-cars/ss-BBezB2q#image=2 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] S Class in top ten least reliable cars
http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autosluxury/the-10-least-reliable-cars/ss-BBezB2q#image=2 Still better than a cheep or a FIat But why I still believe the 126 was the last reliable big Mercedes. Too much un-neede electronic BS on all the later ones. AND the 126, designed in 1976, is still better looking than any of the newer ones. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] S Class in top ten least reliable cars
Amen. On Nov 21, 2014 9:31 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autosluxury/the-10-least-reliable-cars/ss- BBezB2q#image=2 Still better than a cheep or a FIat But why I still believe the 126 was the last reliable big Mercedes. Too much un-neede electronic BS on all the later ones. AND the 126, designed in 1976, is still better looking than any of the newer ones. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] S Class in top ten least reliable cars
Curly is really Loren, right? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 21, 2014, at 8:23 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autosluxury/the-10-least-reliable-cars/ss-BBezB2q#image=2 Still better than a cheep or a FIat But why I still believe the 126 was the last reliable big Mercedes. Too much un-neede electronic BS on all the later ones. AND the 126, designed in 1976, is still better looking than any of the newer ones. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
