Re: [MBZ] S320 LWB - ?? for Kaleb

[Thomas Savage]

Bill R wrote:

Thanks for both posts, Tom.  I'll check it when she gets home tonight.
Sounds like it could be anything from a bad actuator to a vacuum line
problem.  How different is taking this door apart than the one in my '81
300SD?  That one takes a few screws and an upward tug.  My guess is this is
a bit more complicated.


It isn't that they're so much more complicated, it just takes a lot of 
nerves removing the wood.  Here's a nice writeup:

http://www.peachparts.com/Wikka/W140DoorCheck

Have fun!

Tom
My car came back from the body shop today.  It looks absolutely brilliant!

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Re: [MBZ] S320 LWB - ?? for Kaleb

[Bill R]

Thanks for both posts, Tom.  I'll check it when she gets home tonight.
Sounds like it could be anything from a bad actuator to a vacuum line
problem.  How different is taking this door apart than the one in my '81
300SD?  That one takes a few screws and an upward tug.  My guess is this is
a bit more complicated.
BillR

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Thomas Savage
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] S320 LWB - ?? for Kaleb

Bill R wrote:
> When I asked the tech to check out the closer to see what the problem was
I
> was told that he replaced the fuse and it still did not work.  When is
that
> fuse located?

On the passenger side of the trunk wall, in the center.

Tom

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Re: [MBZ] S320 LWB - ?? for Kaleb

[Thomas Savage]

Bill R wrote:

When I asked the tech to check out the closer to see what the problem was I
was told that he replaced the fuse and it still did not work.  When is that
fuse located?


On the passenger side of the trunk wall, in the center.

Tom

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Re: [MBZ] S320 LWB - ?? for Kaleb

[Thomas Savage]

Bill R wrote:


She has already commented that it seems to hit 80 with no
encouragement, and when she starts wondering why everyone else on the road
is going so slowly she has learned to check the speedometer.  


Yeah, they do that. :)


I have no idea, but the guy at the dealership said that hydraulic pump for
that door was bad, and repairs were @ $1,500, if it was a simple repair.  


I'll start with the disclaimer that I've never had to work on this 
system other than the fuse trick, but this doesn't sound right.


The close assist pump is in the trunk and retails for $760 and shouldn't 
be more than an hour's labor to replace if it went bad.  Inside the door 
there's nothing but an actuator and vacuum lines, no individual pumps. 
Keep investigating.


Tom

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Re: [MBZ] S320 LWB - ?? for Kaleb

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

No, I dont have any.

Bill R wrote:

No, we didn't pay $17k for it, and we knew the door closer didn't work on
that door when we bought it.  It does have perfect paint and interior,
everything but that automatic closer works, and we have dealer service
records from when it was purchased at the dealer.  I did find that car for a
lot less than we paid, but not looking or driving like this one does.  I
know that we might discover it was a mistake [an occasional nightmare,
even], but I've got more invested in a 'cheap' 300SD that we have had to fix
lots of stuff on than this very nice one.  I'm taking the gamble that a
properly cared for vehicle like this will hold up well.  If the actuators
are the same on front and rear, have you got a good used one from a LR door?
BillR
  


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Re: [MBZ] S320 LWB - ?? for Kaleb

[Bill R]

I'm talking about the closer that will pull the door fully closed from about
1/4 inch away.  The same function works all four doors and the trunk. The
locks work fine.
BillR

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 9:28 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] S320 LWB - ?? for Kaleb

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> They are not hydraulic, they are vacuum.  There is a vacuum pump for all 
> the doors, then each door has an actuator.

Are you talking about the locks or the door closers?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] S320 LWB - ?? for Kaleb

[Bill R]

When I asked the tech to check out the closer to see what the problem was I
was told that he replaced the fuse and it still did not work.  When is that
fuse located?
BillR

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On Behalf Of John Freer
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 6:16 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] S320 LWB - ?? for Kaleb

So what happens when you pull and reset fuse 9 in the trunk?
John

On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Bill R  wrote:

> I have no idea, but the guy at the dealership said that hydraulic pump for
> that door was bad, and repairs were @ $1,500, if it was a simple repair.
>  We
> knew that one didn't work when we bought the car, but even though the
doors
> are heavy, they close easily and FL is pretty flat.  The other closers
> seldom get a chance to activate as a pretty gentle push will close them
> pretty well.  My 92 YO 105# MiL has tried a few times to get the closer to
> activate on her side and always closes the door fully herself.  I am the
> one
> who doesn't quite close the driver's door.  I suppose I'd just like the
car
> to have everything work, and it is annoying that it doesn't, even though
my
> darling wife doesn't seem to care. Guess I need to do some additional
> checking on that item.  If it is just an actuator it wouldn't be much of a
> problem.
> BillR
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of Thomas Savage
> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 10:50 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] S320 LWB - ?? for Kaleb
>
> Bill R wrote:
>
> I had them check on
> > the hydraulic pump on the driver's door, and that one seems to be dead.
>  I
> > wonder if the pump is the same for all four doors as a replacement might
> be
> > available from a donor car somewhere.  The other three and the trunk all
> > work fine.
>
> You mean the actuator?  140 800 19 75, they're the same front and rear,
> from '92 to '99.  $87.84 from Rusty.  Door panel R&R is one area which
> is not an improvement over previous models.
>
> Tom
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Re: [MBZ] S320 LWB - ?? for Kaleb

[Bill R]

No, we didn't pay $17k for it, and we knew the door closer didn't work on
that door when we bought it.  It does have perfect paint and interior,
everything but that automatic closer works, and we have dealer service
records from when it was purchased at the dealer.  I did find that car for a
lot less than we paid, but not looking or driving like this one does.  I
know that we might discover it was a mistake [an occasional nightmare,
even], but I've got more invested in a 'cheap' 300SD that we have had to fix
lots of stuff on than this very nice one.  I'm taking the gamble that a
properly cared for vehicle like this will hold up well.  If the actuators
are the same on front and rear, have you got a good used one from a LR door?
BillR
  

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 9:19 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] S320 LWB - ?? for Kaleb

They are not hydraulic, they are vacuum.  There is a vacuum pump for all 
the doors, then each door has an actuator.  If this is the car you paid 
17K for, you paid WAY too much, especially since you are now finding 
things wrong with it.  For that kind of money, the car should have about 
40k miles, perfect paint and interior, and everything should work on it.

Bill R wrote:
> I have no idea, but the guy at the dealership said that hydraulic pump for
> that door was bad, and repairs were @ $1,500, if it was a simple repair.
We
> knew that one didn't work when we bought the car, but even though the
doors
> are heavy, they close easily and FL is pretty flat.  The other closers
> seldom get a chance to activate as a pretty gentle push will close them
> pretty well.  My 92 YO 105# MiL has tried a few times to get the closer to
> activate on her side and always closes the door fully herself.  I am the
one
> who doesn't quite close the driver's door.  I suppose I'd just like the
car
> to have everything work, and it is annoying that it doesn't, even though
my
> darling wife doesn't seem to care. Guess I need to do some additional
> checking on that item.  If it is just an actuator it wouldn't be much of a
> problem. 
> BillR
>   

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Re: [MBZ] S320 LWB - ?? for Kaleb

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

the door closers

Mitch Haley wrote:

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
They are not hydraulic, they are vacuum.  There is a vacuum pump for 
all the doors, then each door has an actuator.


Are you talking about the locks or the door closers?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] S320 LWB - ?? for Kaleb

[Mitch Haley]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
They are not hydraulic, they are vacuum.  There is a vacuum pump for all 
the doors, then each door has an actuator.


Are you talking about the locks or the door closers?

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Re: [MBZ] S320 LWB - ?? for Kaleb

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

They are not hydraulic, they are vacuum.  There is a vacuum pump for all 
the doors, then each door has an actuator.  If this is the car you paid 
17K for, you paid WAY too much, especially since you are now finding 
things wrong with it.  For that kind of money, the car should have about 
40k miles, perfect paint and interior, and everything should work on it.


Bill R wrote:

I have no idea, but the guy at the dealership said that hydraulic pump for
that door was bad, and repairs were @ $1,500, if it was a simple repair.  We
knew that one didn't work when we bought the car, but even though the doors
are heavy, they close easily and FL is pretty flat.  The other closers
seldom get a chance to activate as a pretty gentle push will close them
pretty well.  My 92 YO 105# MiL has tried a few times to get the closer to
activate on her side and always closes the door fully herself.  I am the one
who doesn't quite close the driver's door.  I suppose I'd just like the car
to have everything work, and it is annoying that it doesn't, even though my
darling wife doesn't seem to care. Guess I need to do some additional
checking on that item.  If it is just an actuator it wouldn't be much of a
problem. 
BillR
  


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Re: [MBZ] S320 LWB - ?? for Kaleb

[John Freer]

So what happens when you pull and reset fuse 9 in the trunk?
John

On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Bill R  wrote:

> I have no idea, but the guy at the dealership said that hydraulic pump for
> that door was bad, and repairs were @ $1,500, if it was a simple repair.
>  We
> knew that one didn't work when we bought the car, but even though the doors
> are heavy, they close easily and FL is pretty flat.  The other closers
> seldom get a chance to activate as a pretty gentle push will close them
> pretty well.  My 92 YO 105# MiL has tried a few times to get the closer to
> activate on her side and always closes the door fully herself.  I am the
> one
> who doesn't quite close the driver's door.  I suppose I'd just like the car
> to have everything work, and it is annoying that it doesn't, even though my
> darling wife doesn't seem to care. Guess I need to do some additional
> checking on that item.  If it is just an actuator it wouldn't be much of a
> problem.
> BillR
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of Thomas Savage
> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 10:50 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] S320 LWB - ?? for Kaleb
>
> Bill R wrote:
>
> I had them check on
> > the hydraulic pump on the driver's door, and that one seems to be dead.
>  I
> > wonder if the pump is the same for all four doors as a replacement might
> be
> > available from a donor car somewhere.  The other three and the trunk all
> > work fine.
>
> You mean the actuator?  140 800 19 75, they're the same front and rear,
> from '92 to '99.  $87.84 from Rusty.  Door panel R&R is one area which
> is not an improvement over previous models.
>
> Tom
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Re: [MBZ] S320 LWB - ?? for Kaleb

[Bill R]

I have no idea, but the guy at the dealership said that hydraulic pump for
that door was bad, and repairs were @ $1,500, if it was a simple repair.  We
knew that one didn't work when we bought the car, but even though the doors
are heavy, they close easily and FL is pretty flat.  The other closers
seldom get a chance to activate as a pretty gentle push will close them
pretty well.  My 92 YO 105# MiL has tried a few times to get the closer to
activate on her side and always closes the door fully herself.  I am the one
who doesn't quite close the driver's door.  I suppose I'd just like the car
to have everything work, and it is annoying that it doesn't, even though my
darling wife doesn't seem to care. Guess I need to do some additional
checking on that item.  If it is just an actuator it wouldn't be much of a
problem. 
BillR

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On Behalf Of Thomas Savage
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 10:50 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] S320 LWB - ?? for Kaleb

Bill R wrote:

I had them check on
> the hydraulic pump on the driver's door, and that one seems to be dead.  I
> wonder if the pump is the same for all four doors as a replacement might
be
> available from a donor car somewhere.  The other three and the trunk all
> work fine.  

You mean the actuator?  140 800 19 75, they're the same front and rear, 
from '92 to '99.  $87.84 from Rusty.  Door panel R&R is one area which 
is not an improvement over previous models.

Tom

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Re: [MBZ] S320 LWB - ?? for Kaleb

[Thomas Savage]

Bill R wrote:

I had them check on

the hydraulic pump on the driver's door, and that one seems to be dead.  I
wonder if the pump is the same for all four doors as a replacement might be
available from a donor car somewhere.  The other three and the trunk all
work fine.  


You mean the actuator?  140 800 19 75, they're the same front and rear, 
from '92 to '99.  $87.84 from Rusty.  Door panel R&R is one area which 
is not an improvement over previous models.


Tom

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Re: [MBZ] S320 LWB - ?? for Kaleb

[Bill R]

Thanks for the info Tom.  I've been tied up with my writing project and am a
few hundred emails behind once more.  I'm figuring out a few things on the
S320, though I don't get a lot of opportunity to drive it.  I'm just glad my
lead footed darling wife doesn't do distance driving anymore [she covered
Gainesville to Naples some years ago when she was doing medical case
management].  She has already commented that it seems to hit 80 with no
encouragement, and when she starts wondering why everyone else on the road
is going so slowly she has learned to check the speedometer.  I'm sure 140
would be next if she were on the freeway.  The activated carbon filter seems
to be working ok as I only caught a sniff of smoke once, and I doubt she has
stopped just to honor the car.  It is a great ride though, and the first car
that I would rather drive than my '81 300SD.  Each time it has been in for
some issue the dealer has filled the tank, also.  WE have yet to put any
fuel in it, and I suspect they fill it up in hopes that we will not be near
them when we first have to do so.  We might come back and pound on one of
them.  I'm not looking for this to save any fuel costs over her I30.  That
one was bad enough at near 20 MPG, and used regular.  I had them check on
the hydraulic pump on the driver's door, and that one seems to be dead.  I
wonder if the pump is the same for all four doors as a replacement might be
available from a donor car somewhere.  The other three and the trunk all
work fine.  She says she has noticed that people seem to give her a bit of
space when she approaches intersections in this one vs. the I30.  
KALEB - do you have a good hydraulic pump from a rear door that will fit
this thing?
BillR 


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On Behalf Of Thomas Savage
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:42 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] S320 LWB

Bill R wrote:
> This was dealer maintained all the way, and has factory everything.  I
> have not completely figured out what everything is as yet, but the
> Parktronic is interesting.  

Congrats!  Good choice on a '97 over a '94.  Have you had it up to 100 yet?

At the moment my darling wife is out giving the
> charcoal filter a test run.  Though I have never seen her smoke, she has
> done so since she was a kid.  The air filter is automatic in case of too
> much CO or some other toxin is present, though for her it will be to help
> with second hand smoke. Personally I wonder how effective it might be with
> self generated toxic air.  We are taking it to Atlanta next month and
often
> stop at a BBQ on the way, so I might find out.  

There are three cabin filters on a W140.  The recirc filter is in the 
passenger footwell; the main filter is under the hood on top of the 
blower motor; and the pollen filter behind the evaporator, which is a 
huge PIA, costs $400, and is probably original and doesn't really work 
like it is supposed to at this point.  None of them are automatic, you 
have to push a button to turn on the super filter.  You should check and 
replace the two normal filters; "dealer service" is code for "we pretend 
these don't exist."

I did notice one of
> the hydraulic door closers was not working all the time [drivers door],
but
> that is not something I think of as a necessity.  

Easiest fix in the world, as John said.  You'll miss it when you have to 
slam those heavy doors closed all the time.

The 'clean hand' extending
> trunk closer handle is also a new one on me.  Seems they have come up with
a
> few tricks since my 1981 was built.

My favorite of the new tricks (other than the multilink rear suspension 
and some semblance of rust protection) is the climate control 
diagnostics.  Start it up and hold the "rest" button for five or so 
seconds, and cycle through the options with the "auto" buttons.  You'll 
figure a few of them out, but I can dig up the whole list if you like.

Have fun,
Tom
'98 S420 slightly smashed



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