Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D and possibly with turbo
> Hendrik & Fay wrote: > Not sure how'd you work a 4,6,9 shift? The working RPM range > of a American style big Diesel is ~1400-2100, every gear in a > crash box is about 500rpm, so skipping from 6 to 9 would mean > you either rev the guts out of the engine or lug it up from > about 800rpm, neither of which is good practice. The _loaded_ RPM range starts at 1200 to 1400. But bobtail it pull plenty strong from under 1000. And keep in mind, any sort of drag racing isn't "good practice" in _any_ vehicle! *grin* Heh. I'm sitting here at my desk, waving my arm around like I'm shifting gears... (right arm, 'cause I never drove a big truck anywhere but in North America). Maybe it was 3,6,8. I do recall I did it mostly in town. Also the RPM drop per gear is a percent, not a RPM. The 7, 9, 10, and 13 speed transmissions (for class 8 highway trucks with 10-14 L engines) all have about the same ratio in 1st and it the top gear. The size of the steps change. 15 and 18 speed transmissions typically add deeper low gears. I didn't drive bobtail very many miles compared to those with a trailer, and it was a few years ago. -- Philip, reminiscing ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D and possibly with turbo
Not sure how'd you work a 4,6,9 shift? The working RPM range of a American style big Diesel is ~1400-2100, every gear in a crash box is about 500rpm, so skipping from 6 to 9 would mean you either rev the guts out of the engine or lug it up from about 800rpm, neither of which is good practice. I used to shift 2,4,6,8 and then go to 9 at lower revs, there are also driver who will shift every gear, loaded or not, guess they like the noise the truck makes or something. Far as manual trannies behind smaller turbo Diesels, the same concept applies as bigger engines, once the revs drop below 1400 the turbo is not as effective, to do with exhaust flow and volume. So if you got a pretty high first gear it will be sluggish. Hendrik Heh. It's relative. Compared to with a trailer, its _fast_! Compared to a typical car, the truck is still not terribly speedy. Most drivers don't seem to grasp the concept of _major_ skip shifting. Which is the fastest way to accelerate when driving bobtail. 4,6,9 worked well for the 9-speeds, as I recall. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: > A mild overdrive would be useful on top > of the normal 4 speed's 1:1 top gear. You just need to find a broken MGB (shouldn't be too hard). ;) This would fit right in with that cool old Becker in your 300D's dash: http://classiccarama.com/classic-car-parts/advert/mgb-overdrive-switch/ Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D
That could be explained by gearing. The correct rear end is critical. -Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Mitch Haley wrote: Max Dillon wrote: > I drove a 300TD outfitted with a manual transmission. No problems at all, > really a very nice car to drive. I think this idea of turbo spool down is > an urban myth. I'd love to have a turbo OM606 mated to a manual > transmission. I met a guy who put a 220D transmission in a W116 300SD. He said it was a dog from a dead stop, fun after that. Mitch._ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D
> Craig wrote: > Well, sure, if they are loaded. How about 'bob-tail', without > a trailer? Oh - and it's hard to make any money driving around bob-tail! *grin* -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D
> Craig wrote: > On Mon, 30 May 2011 22:15:26 -0500 Fmiser > wrote: > > > And that was with between 7 and 15 speeds in the > > transmission, and 25,000 lb (11000 kg) to 80,000 lb (36000 > > kg) vehicle weight. > > > > But I've never driven a truck that would count as "fast" when > > compared to car. Even my tired 240 is easily faster than > > nearly any truck on the road. > > Well, sure, if they are loaded. How about 'bob-tail', without > a trailer? My brother used to be a design engineer for > Kenworth and said they would get up and move under those > circumstances. Heh. It's relative. Compared to with a trailer, its _fast_! Compared to a typical car, the truck is still not terribly speedy. Most drivers don't seem to grasp the concept of _major_ skip shifting. Which is the fastest way to accelerate when driving bobtail. 4,6,9 worked well for the 9-speeds, as I recall. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D
On Mon, 30 May 2011 22:15:26 -0500 Fmiser wrote: > And that was with between 7 and 15 speeds in the transmission, > and 25,000 lb (11000 kg) to 80,000 lb (36000 kg) vehicle weight. > > But I've never driven a truck that would count as "fast" when > compared to car. Even my tired 240 is easily faster than nearly > any truck on the road. Well, sure, if they are loaded. How about 'bob-tail', without a trailer? My brother used to be a design engineer for Kenworth and said they would get up and move under those circumstances. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D
Yes - they are listed in the technical reference manuals. For instance, the W124, 250 TD Turbo, 124.188 with engine 602.962, Manual transmission: 717.437,or automatic transmission: 765.904 Also the 250D Turbo, 124.128; engine 602.962; Manual transmission 717.437 or Automatic transmission 722.418. On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > They did? I have never heard that > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 30, 2011, at 7:11 PM, OK Don wrote: > > > Mercedes sells manual tranny turbo Diesels elsewhere in the world - just > not > > here. I don't think they would if there was a problem. > > > > On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Jaime Kopchinski >wrote: > > > >> You're right Max, its a myth... the diesel is idea for this type of > >> transmission: There is no throttle plate to stop the turbo. There is > no > >> problems with loosing the boost between gears. > >> > >> Jaime > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Max Dillon >>> wrote: > >> > >>> I drove a 300TD outfitted with a manual transmission. No problems at > >> all, > >>> really a very nice car to drive. I think this idea of turbo spool down > >> is > >>> an urban myth. I'd love to have a turbo OM606 mated to a manual > >>> transmission. > >>> > >>> -Max > >>> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto: > >> mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] > >>> On Behalf Of Craig > >>> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 7:23 PM > >>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D > >>> > >>> On Mon, 30 May 2011 08:22:12 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski < > jaime...@gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> My 300D: > >>>> http://images.jaimekop.com/2008_07_03_Shifter.jpg > >>> > >>> Is your 300D a turbo? > >>> > >>> If so, do you have problems up-shifting and having the turbo spool down > >>> during shifts? > >>> > >>> > >>> Craig > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > OK Don > > 2001 ML320 > > 1992 300D 2.5T > > 1990 300D 2.5T > > 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D
> Craig wrote: > If so, do you have problems up-shifting and having the turbo > spool down during shifts? The turbo will spool down as soon as the fuel feed is reduced. But as soon as the driver steps on the "go" pedal it will spool up again. Is the lag a problem? The inertia is a lot less on these tiny turbos, so is bound to be a much shorter lag than the turbo on a 14 liter engine - and that was not ever a problem. It is different than the response of a non-turbo engine, but I would not call it a problem. And that was with between 7 and 15 speeds in the transmission, and 25,000 lb (11000 kg) to 80,000 lb (36000 kg) vehicle weight. But I've never driven a truck that would count as "fast" when compared to car. Even my tired 240 is easily faster than nearly any truck on the road. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D
They did? I have never heard that Sent from my iPhone On May 30, 2011, at 7:11 PM, OK Don wrote: > Mercedes sells manual tranny turbo Diesels elsewhere in the world - just not > here. I don't think they would if there was a problem. > > On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: > >> You're right Max, its a myth... the diesel is idea for this type of >> transmission: There is no throttle plate to stop the turbo. There is no >> problems with loosing the boost between gears. >> >> Jaime >> >> >> >> On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Max Dillon >> wrote: >> >>> I drove a 300TD outfitted with a manual transmission. No problems at >> all, >>> really a very nice car to drive. I think this idea of turbo spool down >> is >>> an urban myth. I'd love to have a turbo OM606 mated to a manual >>> transmission. >>> >>> -Max >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto: >> mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] >>> On Behalf Of Craig >>> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 7:23 PM >>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D >>> >>> On Mon, 30 May 2011 08:22:12 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski >>> wrote: >>> >>>> My 300D: >>>> http://images.jaimekop.com/2008_07_03_Shifter.jpg >>> >>> Is your 300D a turbo? >>> >>> If so, do you have problems up-shifting and having the turbo spool down >>> during shifts? >>> >>> >>> Craig >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > > -- > OK Don > 2001 ML320 > 1992 300D 2.5T > 1990 300D 2.5T > 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D
No it's a constantly tight boost unless something brakes. --R On 5/30/2011 8:14 PM, WILTON wrote: So, it just stays loose all the time? ;<))) Wilton - Original Message - From: "Jaime Kopchinski" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D You're right Max, its a myth... the diesel is idea for this type of transmission: There is no throttle plate to stop the turbo. There is no problems with loosing the boost between gears. Jaime On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Max Dillon wrote: I drove a 300TD outfitted with a manual transmission. No problems at all, really a very nice car to drive. I think this idea of turbo spool down is an urban myth. I'd love to have a turbo OM606 mated to a manual transmission. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Craig Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 7:23 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D On Mon, 30 May 2011 08:22:12 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski wrote: > My 300D: > http://images.jaimekop.com/2008_07_03_Shifter.jpg Is your 300D a turbo? If so, do you have problems up-shifting and having the turbo spool down during shifts? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D
So, it just stays loose all the time? ;<))) Wilton - Original Message - From: "Jaime Kopchinski" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D You're right Max, its a myth... the diesel is idea for this type of transmission: There is no throttle plate to stop the turbo. There is no problems with loosing the boost between gears. Jaime On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Max Dillon wrote: I drove a 300TD outfitted with a manual transmission. No problems at all, really a very nice car to drive. I think this idea of turbo spool down is an urban myth. I'd love to have a turbo OM606 mated to a manual transmission. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Craig Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 7:23 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D On Mon, 30 May 2011 08:22:12 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski wrote: > My 300D: > http://images.jaimekop.com/2008_07_03_Shifter.jpg Is your 300D a turbo? If so, do you have problems up-shifting and having the turbo spool down during shifts? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D
Mercedes sells manual tranny turbo Diesels elsewhere in the world - just not here. I don't think they would if there was a problem. On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: > You're right Max, its a myth... the diesel is idea for this type of > transmission: There is no throttle plate to stop the turbo. There is no > problems with loosing the boost between gears. > > Jaime > > > > On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Max Dillon >wrote: > > > I drove a 300TD outfitted with a manual transmission. No problems at > all, > > really a very nice car to drive. I think this idea of turbo spool down > is > > an urban myth. I'd love to have a turbo OM606 mated to a manual > > transmission. > > > > -Max > > > > -Original Message- > > From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto: > mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] > > On Behalf Of Craig > > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 7:23 PM > > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D > > > > On Mon, 30 May 2011 08:22:12 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski > > wrote: > > > > > My 300D: > > > http://images.jaimekop.com/2008_07_03_Shifter.jpg > > > > Is your 300D a turbo? > > > > If so, do you have problems up-shifting and having the turbo spool down > > during shifts? > > > > > > Craig > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D
You're right Max, its a myth... the diesel is idea for this type of transmission: There is no throttle plate to stop the turbo. There is no problems with loosing the boost between gears. Jaime On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Max Dillon wrote: > I drove a 300TD outfitted with a manual transmission. No problems at all, > really a very nice car to drive. I think this idea of turbo spool down is > an urban myth. I'd love to have a turbo OM606 mated to a manual > transmission. > > -Max > > -Original Message- > From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] > On Behalf Of Craig > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 7:23 PM > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D > > On Mon, 30 May 2011 08:22:12 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski > wrote: > > > My 300D: > > http://images.jaimekop.com/2008_07_03_Shifter.jpg > > Is your 300D a turbo? > > If so, do you have problems up-shifting and having the turbo spool down > during shifts? > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D
Max Dillon wrote: I drove a 300TD outfitted with a manual transmission. No problems at all, really a very nice car to drive. I think this idea of turbo spool down is an urban myth. I'd love to have a turbo OM606 mated to a manual transmission. I met a guy who put a 220D transmission in a W116 300SD. He said it was a dog from a dead stop, fun after that. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D
I drove a 300TD outfitted with a manual transmission. No problems at all, really a very nice car to drive. I think this idea of turbo spool down is an urban myth. I'd love to have a turbo OM606 mated to a manual transmission. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Craig Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 7:23 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D On Mon, 30 May 2011 08:22:12 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski wrote: > My 300D: > http://images.jaimekop.com/2008_07_03_Shifter.jpg Is your 300D a turbo? If so, do you have problems up-shifting and having the turbo spool down during shifts? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D
On Mon, 30 May 2011 08:22:12 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski wrote: > My 300D: > http://images.jaimekop.com/2008_07_03_Shifter.jpg Is your 300D a turbo? If so, do you have problems up-shifting and having the turbo spool down during shifts? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D
> > Alex Chamberlain wrote: > > > > If the Tremec 6-speed that Mitch gave the stats for isn't a > > good fit in terms of ratios for the OM617 turbo, I bet there > > are other manual transmissions from RWD vehicles that came > > mated to engines with similar power and torque to the 617, > > and are plentiful in junkyards. Something from a small > > pickup, maybe? > Mitch Haley wrote: > > For example, how about the tranny from a 1980s 2.5L Chevy > Astro? 4.03 2.371.491.000.72 I like it!! With P195/75 tires and a 3.49:1 differential that results in: Roadspeed, in MPH |RPM | 800 | 1000 | 1500 | 2000 | 3000 | 4000 | 5250 | |+---+---+---+---+---++| | Gear 1 | 4.19 | 5.23 | 7.85 | 10.47 | 15.70 | 20.94 | 27.48 | | Gear 2 | 7.12 | 8.90 | 13.35 | 17.80 | 26.70 | 35.61 | 46.73 | | Gear 3 | 11.33 | 14.16 | 21.24 | 28.32 | 42.48 | 56.63 | 74.33 | | Gear 4 | 16.88 | 21.10 | 31.64 | 42.19 | 63.29 | 84.38 | 110.75 | | Gear 5 | 23.44 | 29.30 | 43.95 | 58.60 | 87.90 | 117.20 | 153.83 | Or - roadspeed in km/h | RPM| 800 | 1000 | 1500 | 2000 | 3000 | 4000 | 5250 | |+---+---+---+---+++| | Gear 1 | 6.74 | 8.42 | 12.64 | 16.85 | 25.27 | 33.70 | 44.23 | | Gear 2 | 11.46 | 14.33 | 21.49 | 28.65 | 42.98 | 57.30 | 75.21 | | Gear 3 | 18.23 | 22.79 | 34.18 | 45.57 | 68.36 | 91.14 | 119.63 | | Gear 4 | 27.16 | 33.95 | 50.93 | 67.90 | 101.85 | 135.80 | 178.24 | | Gear 5 | 37.72 | 47.15 | 70.73 | 94.31 | 141.46 | 188.62 | 247.56 | --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D
Ha, yeah, its true... I've been cutting my neighbor's grass since she doesn't seem to have any interest in doing it herself. As far as I know, she was in foreclosure, but its been years now and she still there. I guess shes one of the "lucky" ones who's paperwork is held up by the bank's poor record keeping. In a neighborhood thats generally well kept by landscapers, her place really sticks out. Jaime On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: > Jaime Kopchinski wrote: > > We're selling our house, and having a bunch of broken down cars in the >> driveway on jack stands isn't exactly appealing to prospective buyers! >> > > Better your driveway than the next door neighbors'. > At least the buyer knows they don't have to live near you. > > > Mitch. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D
Jaime Kopchinski wrote: We're selling our house, and having a bunch of broken down cars in the driveway on jack stands isn't exactly appealing to prospective buyers! Better your driveway than the next door neighbors'. At least the buyer knows they don't have to live near you. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D
Yeah, I guess thats the ticket... recently I've seen two 190E parts cars come by on CL with a 5 speed for cheap which I've been tempted to buy. But I've got no place to part a car at the moment. We're selling our house, and having a bunch of broken down cars in the driveway on jack stands isn't exactly appealing to prospective buyers! Jaime On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: > Jaime Kopchinski wrote: > >> I agree with you, Max! I'd be interested in a package to mate a manual >> trans to a OM60x engine! >> >> But I'd still perfer a 5 speed... and one that allows the use of an >> original >> Mercedes shifter. I like things to look original! >> >> > 300E or 190E tranny? > > Mitch. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D
Jaime Kopchinski wrote: I agree with you, Max! I'd be interested in a package to mate a manual trans to a OM60x engine! But I'd still perfer a 5 speed... and one that allows the use of an original Mercedes shifter. I like things to look original! 300E or 190E tranny? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D
I agree with you, Max! I'd be interested in a package to mate a manual trans to a OM60x engine! But I'd still perfer a 5 speed... and one that allows the use of an original Mercedes shifter. I like things to look original! My 300D: http://images.jaimekop.com/2008_07_03_Shifter.jpg In my experience, the hard part is getting the right flywheel and driveshaft. Transmissions, shifters, and linkage are pretty easy to find from junk yards, parts cars, etc. Jaime On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Max Dillon wrote: > The only use I could think of would be in my 300TD. A really low granny > gear for pulling the sailboat up the ramp would be nice, and then 2nd gear > would be starting gear in normal situations (and sized accordingly) and so > on up until 5th is the 1:1 and 6th is Jaime's mild overdrive. However, the > automatic does a really nice job, so I don't think I want to mess with > success. > > My dream 124: OM606 turbo, five speed manual trans, 94 or 95 body with all > the options. > > -Max > > -Original Message- > From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] > On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 2:53 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D > > On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Jaime Kopchinski > wrote: > > Its a nice idea, but a 0.62-0.50 overdrive will be nearly useless, and > the > > first gear is a bit tall overall. A mild overdrive would be useful on > top > > of the normal 4 speed's 1:1 top gear. Otherwise, I don't see the point > > really. > > > > I think the point is to provide an option for cars that weren't > available from the factory with a stick, like any of the turbodiesels. > There aren't enough 240D 4-speeds to go around for the number of > people who would like to have three pedals in their 123. > > If the Tremec 6-speed that Mitch gave the stats for isn't a good fit > in terms of ratios for the OM617 turbo, I bet there are other manual > transmissions from RWD vehicles that came mated to engines with > similar power and torque to the 617, and are plentiful in junkyards. > Something from a small pickup, maybe? > > Alex > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D
The only use I could think of would be in my 300TD. A really low granny gear for pulling the sailboat up the ramp would be nice, and then 2nd gear would be starting gear in normal situations (and sized accordingly) and so on up until 5th is the 1:1 and 6th is Jaime's mild overdrive. However, the automatic does a really nice job, so I don't think I want to mess with success. My dream 124: OM606 turbo, five speed manual trans, 94 or 95 body with all the options. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 2:53 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: > Its a nice idea, but a 0.62-0.50 overdrive will be nearly useless, and the > first gear is a bit tall overall. A mild overdrive would be useful on top > of the normal 4 speed's 1:1 top gear. Otherwise, I don't see the point > really. > I think the point is to provide an option for cars that weren't available from the factory with a stick, like any of the turbodiesels. There aren't enough 240D 4-speeds to go around for the number of people who would like to have three pedals in their 123. If the Tremec 6-speed that Mitch gave the stats for isn't a good fit in terms of ratios for the OM617 turbo, I bet there are other manual transmissions from RWD vehicles that came mated to engines with similar power and torque to the 617, and are plentiful in junkyards. Something from a small pickup, maybe? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D
Oops, a 240D diff is 3.69:1, not 3.49. I have one of those sitting in the trunk of the 300SD BTW. The 240D trans ratios were: I: 3.90; II: 2.30; III: 1.41; IV: 1.0, so the T5 I quoted below would be a little lower, plus a decent overdrive in case you want to cruise 75mph instead of 55mph on the freeway. Mitch. Mitch Haley wrote: I think a T56 would be OK if you mated it to a 3.49 240D diff in a W123, or a 3.27 2.3-16 diff in a 190D turbo or 1987 300D. A T5 would be lighter at ~99lb, and I imagine a million of those get crushed and smelted every year. For example, how about the tranny from a 1980s 2.5L Chevy Astro? 4.032.371.491.000.72 http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/Borg-Warner-T5-ID-Tags.htm ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D
Alex Chamberlain wrote: If the Tremec 6-speed that Mitch gave the stats for isn't a good fit in terms of ratios for the OM617 turbo, I bet there are other manual transmissions from RWD vehicles that came mated to engines with similar power and torque to the 617, and are plentiful in junkyards. Something from a small pickup, maybe? I think a T56 would be OK if you mated it to a 3.49 240D diff in a W123, or a 3.27 2.3-16 diff in a 190D turbo or 1987 300D. A T5 would be lighter at ~99lb, and I imagine a million of those get crushed and smelted every year. For example, how about the tranny from a 1980s 2.5L Chevy Astro? 4.032.371.491.000.72 http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/Borg-Warner-T5-ID-Tags.htm ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: > Its a nice idea, but a 0.62-0.50 overdrive will be nearly useless, and the > first gear is a bit tall overall. A mild overdrive would be useful on top > of the normal 4 speed's 1:1 top gear. Otherwise, I don't see the point > really. > I think the point is to provide an option for cars that weren't available from the factory with a stick, like any of the turbodiesels. There aren't enough 240D 4-speeds to go around for the number of people who would like to have three pedals in their 123. If the Tremec 6-speed that Mitch gave the stats for isn't a good fit in terms of ratios for the OM617 turbo, I bet there are other manual transmissions from RWD vehicles that came mated to engines with similar power and torque to the 617, and are plentiful in junkyards. Something from a small pickup, maybe? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D
Its a nice idea, but a 0.62-0.50 overdrive will be nearly useless, and the first gear is a bit tall overall. A mild overdrive would be useful on top of the normal 4 speed's 1:1 top gear. Otherwise, I don't see the point really. Jaime '82 300Dt w/ 240D speed. On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Marshall Field wrote: > It has been a long time since I was last here, but now would like to > pose a question > to the group > > How many would be interested in purchasing a conversion to a six speed > manual for a 300D? > > Package could or would consist of adapters, piece parts, instructions, > cutting template or a complete turn key package.. > > What would you be willing to pay for such a package? > > comments please to etud...@gmail.com or if Kaleb permits, here. > > Of late I have come into a world of CNC, CAD and CAM. All at > reasonable prices, outsourced if need be, but the capability to turn > ideas into products just keeps getting easier and cheaper. > > Anybody interested? > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D
Oops, forgot to name my source: http://www.5speedtransmissions.com/6_speed.html Mitch Haley wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D
Mitch Haley wrote: IIRC, the T56 was rated for something like 50-60 ft-lb/cylinder. I know it can take 400 ft-lb behind a V8. I think it weighs about 120-130lb. Doesn't the Camaro version have a 0.5x:1 sixth gear? The F-body GM versions were 450ft-lb rated, and the Vipers were 550 ft-lb, but I don't know if that reflects a stronger tranny or just the difference between a V8 rating and a V10 rating. Gear ratios for F-body and Viper were quite tall, no 4:1 first gears here, you'd probably want a 3.27 or lower diff: 2.66, 1.78, 1.30, 1.00, 0.74, 0.50. 2.90 reverse. The 4.6 Mustang and GM/Ford aftermarket parts were rated 400 ft-lb with slightly lower gear ratios: 2.97, 2.07, 1.43, 1.00 0.80, 0.62. 3.28 reverse. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Someone on peachparts was offering to make a conversion package for the Tremec 6-speed used in LT1 Camaros, IIRC, which would be strong enough to handle not just the OM617 but most of the older gas engines as well. (Stick 560SL, anyone?) IIRC, the T56 was rated for something like 50-60 ft-lb/cylinder. I know it can take 400 ft-lb behind a V8. I think it weighs about 120-130lb. Doesn't the Camaro version have a 0.5x:1 sixth gear? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D
Someone on peachparts was offering to make a conversion package for the Tremec 6-speed used in LT1 Camaros, IIRC, which would be strong enough to handle not just the OM617 but most of the older gas engines as well. (Stick 560SL, anyone?) Alex On 5/29/11, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > I am sure many here would be interested > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 29, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Marshall Field wrote: > >> It has been a long time since I was last here, but now would like to >> pose a question >> to the group >> >> How many would be interested in purchasing a conversion to a six speed >> manual for a 300D? >> >> Package could or would consist of adapters, piece parts, instructions, >> cutting template or a complete turn key package.. >> >> What would you be willing to pay for such a package? >> >> comments please to etud...@gmail.com or if Kaleb permits, here. >> >> Of late I have come into a world of CNC, CAD and CAM. All at >> reasonable prices, outsourced if need be, but the capability to turn >> ideas into products just keeps getting easier and cheaper. >> >> Anybody interested? >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Sent from my mobile device ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D
I am sure many here would be interested Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Marshall Field wrote: > It has been a long time since I was last here, but now would like to > pose a question > to the group > > How many would be interested in purchasing a conversion to a six speed > manual for a 300D? > > Package could or would consist of adapters, piece parts, instructions, > cutting template or a complete turn key package.. > > What would you be willing to pay for such a package? > > comments please to etud...@gmail.com or if Kaleb permits, here. > > Of late I have come into a world of CNC, CAD and CAM. All at > reasonable prices, outsourced if need be, but the capability to turn > ideas into products just keeps getting easier and cheaper. > > Anybody interested? > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D
It has been a long time since I was last here, but now would like to pose a question to the group How many would be interested in purchasing a conversion to a six speed manual for a 300D? Package could or would consist of adapters, piece parts, instructions, cutting template or a complete turn key package.. What would you be willing to pay for such a package? comments please to etud...@gmail.com or if Kaleb permits, here. Of late I have come into a world of CNC, CAD and CAM. All at reasonable prices, outsourced if need be, but the capability to turn ideas into products just keeps getting easier and cheaper. Anybody interested? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
