Re: [MBZ] Someone needs to do this to a 123
Not well done but theoretically sound I guess. I remember an article in a car mag from the early 70's when people got worried about fuel economy. Lots of stuff about drag coefficients and frontal area. Most cars have since gone that route to some extent. The next time you are in a parking lot, look at the cars in a row. Bumpers have essentially become useless except as aerodynamic enhancements. I looked at a row of small cars while waiting for my wife at the grocery store a couple of Saturdays back. Not a one would have protected the tail lights and trunk lid from a bicycle. Plastic and about an inch or two from the back edge of the body. My old 115 300D might have ugly bumpers in the view of some, but it was designed for the period when they were supposed to withstand a 5 mph impact. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 8:58 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Someone needs to do this to a 123 http://forum.ecomodder.com/showthread.php?t=290 Imagine the fun! Imagine the envy from your neighbors! Imagine the satisfaction and gratification you will receive! --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Someone needs to do this to a 123
> > Besides being pretty, it's nice and safe too with those added crumple zones. > lol > > Ed > 300E Yeah- I saw South Carolina plates; I perhaps no inspection mechanism there? Here in Pennsylvania you'd be having uncomfortable conversations with law enforcement, quickly. Tony Wirtel Coupla w124s ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Someone needs to do this to a 123
Curt Raymond wrote: > Said that losing the PS pump didn't make it any harder to steer when moving > and that the reduction in drag made the car quicker off the line. > I was (and still am) very skeptical. I believe the electric power steering on the Saturn Ion and 2004 Chevy Malibu was supposed to be good for something like 0.7mpg. A friend's carbureted, power steer 1987 Horizon got better mpg than my fuel injected manual steer 1989, but his was geared taller. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Someone needs to do this to a 123
Yeah, the claim might even have been higher. This is back when I was pretty pleased to have driven gently enough to get my 240D up to 32mpg... Said that losing the PS pump didn't make it any harder to steer when moving and that the reduction in drag made the car quicker off the line. I was (and still am) very skeptical. -Curt Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:35:13 -0500 From: "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Someone needs to do this to a 123 To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Curt- Is that 35mph for the modified 240D? Dwight Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:27 AM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Someone needs to do this to a 123 I wonder if you did it to a 240D if with aluminum sheet you could lose enough weight and drag to significantly increase the top speed? Of course you'd need to change the gearing, I think 240Ds are engine speed limited... Hmm, it bears some thought. Not much I think but some. I was on another list some years ago where a guy took all the airconditioning and power steering stuff out of a 240D and swore the reduction in weight got it up to 35mpg. -Curt - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Someone needs to do this to a 123
Curt- Is that 35mph for the modified 240D? Dwight Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:27 AM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Someone needs to do this to a 123 I wonder if you did it to a 240D if with aluminum sheet you could lose enough weight and drag to significantly increase the top speed? Of course you'd need to change the gearing, I think 240Ds are engine speed limited... Hmm, it bears some thought. Not much I think but some. I was on another list some years ago where a guy took all the airconditioning and power steering stuff out of a 240D and swore the reduction in weight got it up to 35mpg. -Curt Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 08:57:58 -0600 From: Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [MBZ] Someone needs to do this to a 123 To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed http://forum.ecomodder.com/showthread.php?t=290 Imagine the fun! Imagine the envy from your neighbors! Imagine the satisfaction and gratification you will receive! --R - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Someone needs to do this to a 123
I wonder if you did it to a 240D if with aluminum sheet you could lose enough weight and drag to significantly increase the top speed? Of course you'd need to change the gearing, I think 240Ds are engine speed limited... Hmm, it bears some thought. Not much I think but some. I was on another list some years ago where a guy took all the airconditioning and power steering stuff out of a 240D and swore the reduction in weight got it up to 35mpg. -Curt Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 08:57:58 -0600 From: Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [MBZ] Someone needs to do this to a 123 To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed http://forum.ecomodder.com/showthread.php?t=290 Imagine the fun! Imagine the envy from your neighbors! Imagine the satisfaction and gratification you will receive! --R - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Someone needs to do this to a 123
Besides being pretty, it's nice and safe too with those added crumple zones. lol Ed 300E On 03/01/2008, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://forum.ecomodder.com/showthread.php?t=290 > > Imagine the fun! Imagine the envy from your neighbors! Imagine the > satisfaction and gratification you will receive! > > --R > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Someone needs to do this to a 123
> The part that bothers me is when they talk about making the existing > headlamps dimmer to cut down on alternator drag. Yeah, they're way off base there. I'm also unconvinced that the lighting is the guilty party for is 2-3mpg drop at night. Atmospheric conditions are also different. I'd like to see a few lights-on-at-daytime data points to prove this. He needs HID headlights if he really wants to cut down on his electrical lighting load. And LED marker lights, probably. (They won't be as safe because of their vastly reduced spatial emission characteristics, but will probably be legal.) He could cut his headlight load by 10-20% or so by chopping the waveform to the existing lights, he might get 50% of the light that way. Not a particularly good cost/benefit ratio! But if a lot of his nighttime driving is under conditions where one can forget to turn on the lights at all (city streets, etc.) dimming the headlights some would be harmless. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Someone needs to do this to a 123
Rich Thomas wrote: > > http://forum.ecomodder.com/showthread.php?t=290 The part that bothers me is when they talk about making the existing headlamps dimmer to cut down on alternator drag. If you want to save watts on DRLs, eliminate them. If you are talking headlights at night, making them horribly inefficient by running them at half voltage (series wiring) is beyond stupid. Lowering the voltage with dropping diodes (and wasting watts heating the diodes) is also incredibly stupid. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Someone needs to do this to a 123
http://forum.ecomodder.com/showthread.php?t=290 Imagine the fun! Imagine the envy from your neighbors! Imagine the satisfaction and gratification you will receive! --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
