Re: [MBZ] Sticky broken plastic trim pieces
I replaced the old (1957) plastic trim in the Cessna with aluminum cut and bent into shape, then painted with that hammered metal looking grey/silver paint. On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 7:35 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > It was a design of the plastic’s deterioration, planned or not. > > My ML500 was like this, too. All of the plastic surfaces were sticky, no > matter how often you cleaned them. > > As I search for a nice SLK 320 for the wife I’ve found that there was > another major plastic “fail” at the time, too. The plastics on the SLK230 > and SLK320 were not molded in the color of the interior, that is, there was > a finish applied to a plastic part. The finishes wear off or break down > over the years, and depending on the original color can look just horrible. > And it’s not just the console, it’s the bolsters and glove compartment > door, too. > > My upholstery guy say they refused to work on them because nothing they > tried was permanent or would wear. He said the last job he did on one about > five years ago was complete new replacement parts from MB, and he said it > was really pricey. > > -D > > > On Sep 12, 2020, at 7:31 PM, Clay via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > I always had the feeling the W220 needed to be driven with gloves due to > the tacky nature of the knobs and buttons. It felt as if the prior owner > had suckled on gummi fruits and drove with his ganky paws poking and > twisting the buttons and knobs. I never found evidence of candy, but would > not have thought it was the degradation of the material. Learn something > new every day. > > > > So the sticky was a design feature for extra digital traction/adhesion?? > > > > clay > > > > “I think it’s time we stopped our cringing embarrassment about our > history, about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this > general bout of self-recrimination and wetness.” > > > > B. Johnson > > 01/09/2020 > > > >> On Sep 12, 2020, at 2:55 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> I have to defer to “Mr. Adhesives” here. As Don suggested, plastic > epoxy with some reinforcement is probably the best approach. > >> > >> I’ve never used “Goo Gone” but I’ve heard many sing it’s praises. What > you’re experiencing is the plastic breaking down as it does in all early > 2000s Mercedes. Worst are the steering wheel buttons for the telematics. > Problem with those is that the legends are painted on them, so if you go at > them really hard you end up with white buttons and no legends/icons. > >> > >> -D > >> > >>> On Sep 12, 2020, at 6:19 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> The seat bottom trim pieces on the ML500 are all sticky. I went at > some with some turpentine and that seemed to get most of the sticky layer > off. Might need To do a coupla goes. > >>> > >>> One of the pieces is cracked in a couple places. I’m wondering how > best to fix it. Dan you used some sort of plastic welding thing on the > bumper cover — what was that and how would it work on trim? > >>> > >>> --R > >>> Sent from iPhone > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sticky broken plastic trim pieces
I watched a coupla utubers who used goo gone to loosen the sticky stuff and kinda roll it off. The turps seemed to actually dissolve most of it and it mostly rubbed off. There was also a suggestion of acetone which I was out of so grabbed the turps. And it smells better than thinner or acetone. Some utuber asserted that the sticky stuff was like some kind of varnish coating on the plastic. This stuff seems to be pure black plastic with that coating. I think tomorrow I’ll try to remove the trim pieces and get them cleaned up, then try the epoxy with some screen material. Maybe tack them first with cyanoacrylate. It’s kinda odd these are the only pieces that are sticky. --FT Sent from iPhone > On Sep 12, 2020, at 6:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > I have to defer to “Mr. Adhesives” here. As Don suggested, plastic epoxy > with some reinforcement is probably the best approach. > > I’ve never used “Goo Gone” but I’ve heard many sing it’s praises. What you’re > experiencing is the plastic breaking down as it does in all early 2000s > Mercedes. Worst are the steering wheel buttons for the telematics. Problem > with those is that the legends are painted on them, so if you go at them > really hard you end up with white buttons and no legends/icons. > > -D > >> On Sep 12, 2020, at 6:19 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> The seat bottom trim pieces on the ML500 are all sticky. I went at some with >> some turpentine and that seemed to get most of the sticky layer off. Might >> need To do a coupla goes. >> >> One of the pieces is cracked in a couple places. I’m wondering how best to >> fix it. Dan you used some sort of plastic welding thing on the bumper cover >> — what was that and how would it work on trim? >> >> --R >> Sent from iPhone >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sticky broken plastic trim pieces
Green interior in the SL suffered from that with the center console. It was such a rare color that paint was applied to a grey console from the factory. I had to do funky matching when I replaced the chopped up console. clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 2014 ‘yota Highlander - Haggis retired models- 1986 SDL - Polei 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap 1982 SD - Allen 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers > On Sep 12, 2020, at 4:34 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > It was a design of the plastic’s deterioration, planned or not. > > My ML500 was like this, too. All of the plastic surfaces were sticky, no > matter how often you cleaned them. > > As I search for a nice SLK 320 for the wife I’ve found that there was another > major plastic “fail” at the time, too. The plastics on the SLK230 and SLK320 > were not molded in the color of the interior, that is, there was a finish > applied to a plastic part. The finishes wear off or break down over the > years, and depending on the original color can look just horrible. And it’s > not just the console, it’s the bolsters and glove compartment door, too. > > My upholstery guy say they refused to work on them because nothing they tried > was permanent or would wear. He said the last job he did on one about five > years ago was complete new replacement parts from MB, and he said it was > really pricey. > > -D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sticky broken plastic trim pieces
It was a design of the plastic’s deterioration, planned or not. My ML500 was like this, too. All of the plastic surfaces were sticky, no matter how often you cleaned them. As I search for a nice SLK 320 for the wife I’ve found that there was another major plastic “fail” at the time, too. The plastics on the SLK230 and SLK320 were not molded in the color of the interior, that is, there was a finish applied to a plastic part. The finishes wear off or break down over the years, and depending on the original color can look just horrible. And it’s not just the console, it’s the bolsters and glove compartment door, too. My upholstery guy say they refused to work on them because nothing they tried was permanent or would wear. He said the last job he did on one about five years ago was complete new replacement parts from MB, and he said it was really pricey. -D > On Sep 12, 2020, at 7:31 PM, Clay via Mercedes wrote: > > I always had the feeling the W220 needed to be driven with gloves due to the > tacky nature of the knobs and buttons. It felt as if the prior owner had > suckled on gummi fruits and drove with his ganky paws poking and twisting the > buttons and knobs. I never found evidence of candy, but would not have > thought it was the degradation of the material. Learn something new every > day. > > So the sticky was a design feature for extra digital traction/adhesion?? > > clay > > “I think it’s time we stopped our cringing embarrassment about our history, > about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of > self-recrimination and wetness.” > > B. Johnson > 01/09/2020 > >> On Sep 12, 2020, at 2:55 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I have to defer to “Mr. Adhesives” here. As Don suggested, plastic epoxy >> with some reinforcement is probably the best approach. >> >> I’ve never used “Goo Gone” but I’ve heard many sing it’s praises. What >> you’re experiencing is the plastic breaking down as it does in all early >> 2000s Mercedes. Worst are the steering wheel buttons for the telematics. >> Problem with those is that the legends are painted on them, so if you go at >> them really hard you end up with white buttons and no legends/icons. >> >> -D >> >>> On Sep 12, 2020, at 6:19 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> The seat bottom trim pieces on the ML500 are all sticky. I went at some >>> with some turpentine and that seemed to get most of the sticky layer off. >>> Might need To do a coupla goes. >>> >>> One of the pieces is cracked in a couple places. I’m wondering how best to >>> fix it. Dan you used some sort of plastic welding thing on the bumper cover >>> — what was that and how would it work on trim? >>> >>> --R >>> Sent from iPhone >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sticky broken plastic trim pieces
I always had the feeling the W220 needed to be driven with gloves due to the tacky nature of the knobs and buttons. It felt as if the prior owner had suckled on gummi fruits and drove with his ganky paws poking and twisting the buttons and knobs. I never found evidence of candy, but would not have thought it was the degradation of the material. Learn something new every day. So the sticky was a design feature for extra digital traction/adhesion?? clay “I think it’s time we stopped our cringing embarrassment about our history, about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of self-recrimination and wetness.” B. Johnson 01/09/2020 > On Sep 12, 2020, at 2:55 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > I have to defer to “Mr. Adhesives” here. As Don suggested, plastic epoxy with > some reinforcement is probably the best approach. > > I’ve never used “Goo Gone” but I’ve heard many sing it’s praises. What you’re > experiencing is the plastic breaking down as it does in all early 2000s > Mercedes. Worst are the steering wheel buttons for the telematics. Problem > with those is that the legends are painted on them, so if you go at them > really hard you end up with white buttons and no legends/icons. > > -D > >> On Sep 12, 2020, at 6:19 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> The seat bottom trim pieces on the ML500 are all sticky. I went at some with >> some turpentine and that seemed to get most of the sticky layer off. Might >> need To do a coupla goes. >> >> One of the pieces is cracked in a couple places. I’m wondering how best to >> fix it. Dan you used some sort of plastic welding thing on the bumper cover >> — what was that and how would it work on trim? >> >> --R >> Sent from iPhone >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sticky broken plastic trim pieces
I have to defer to “Mr. Adhesives” here. As Don suggested, plastic epoxy with some reinforcement is probably the best approach. I’ve never used “Goo Gone” but I’ve heard many sing it’s praises. What you’re experiencing is the plastic breaking down as it does in all early 2000s Mercedes. Worst are the steering wheel buttons for the telematics. Problem with those is that the legends are painted on them, so if you go at them really hard you end up with white buttons and no legends/icons. -D > On Sep 12, 2020, at 6:19 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes > wrote: > > The seat bottom trim pieces on the ML500 are all sticky. I went at some with > some turpentine and that seemed to get most of the sticky layer off. Might > need To do a coupla goes. > > One of the pieces is cracked in a couple places. I’m wondering how best to > fix it. Dan you used some sort of plastic welding thing on the bumper cover — > what was that and how would it work on trim? > > --R > Sent from iPhone > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sticky broken plastic trim pieces
Goo Gone magic stuff for removing adhesive of all kinds... once the adhesive is removed, remove any residual Goo Gone with rubbing alcohol, let dry before applying epoxy .. Goo Gone... Home Depot, Ace Hdwre.. I've even seen it in dollar stores in small containers. On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 3:20 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > The seat bottom trim pieces on the ML500 are all sticky. I went at some > with some turpentine and that seemed to get most of the sticky layer off. > Might need To do a coupla goes. > > One of the pieces is cracked in a couple places. I’m wondering how best to > fix it. Dan you used some sort of plastic welding thing on the bumper cover > — what was that and how would it work on trim? > > --R > Sent from iPhone > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sticky broken plastic trim pieces
Use the plastic epoxy with some reinforcing fabric or window screen on the back side of the cracks. On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 5:20 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > The seat bottom trim pieces on the ML500 are all sticky. I went at some > with some turpentine and that seemed to get most of the sticky layer off. > Might need To do a coupla goes. > > One of the pieces is cracked in a couple places. I’m wondering how best to > fix it. Dan you used some sort of plastic welding thing on the bumper cover > — what was that and how would it work on trim? > > --R > Sent from iPhone > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Sticky broken plastic trim pieces
The seat bottom trim pieces on the ML500 are all sticky. I went at some with some turpentine and that seemed to get most of the sticky layer off. Might need To do a coupla goes. One of the pieces is cracked in a couple places. I’m wondering how best to fix it. Dan you used some sort of plastic welding thing on the bumper cover — what was that and how would it work on trim? --R Sent from iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
