Re: [MBZ] Sunroof quit
> Do NOT try to re-tap the threads. Get a junker assembly. I can't recall ever seeing the sunroof motor gone in the U-Pull yard. I don't think they fail often so nobody ever takes them. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sunroof quit
Best boss I've ever had. Stays out of my way as long as my work is up to date. If I tell him we need something we get it, etc. I've been working for him pretty much for four years (less a six month disaster working for the idiot the idiot tech I was complaining about works for). With the exception of working for my Dad this is the only boss I've ever had that I don't consider dumber than a potato... -Curt Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:15:44 -0700 From: "Robert Rentfro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sunroof quit To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Curt told us: "He thought my boss should know about that. My boss told him that if he didn't want to be called that he should get smarter..." Good boss. Bob R - Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sunroof quit
Curt told us: "He thought my boss should know about that. My boss told him that if he didn't want to be called that he should get smarter..." Good boss. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sunroof quit
Zoltan Finks wrote: > Good. I forgot about the junk yard option. Or perhaps I could re-tap > the threads. > > I need to do something, as now the wife wants to get rid of the car > because the sunroof is broken! (and because it only got 32 mpg on > mixed driving) Do NOT try to re-tap the threads. Get a junker assembly. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sunroof quit
Well golly doing what I said would work did indeed work... Thats a shocker. Man, whats up with me and sarcasm today? Its supposed to be Saturday and I should be all happy and stuff. Last week was one of those "I can't believe the stupidity around me" weeks. I even called one of our tech support staff "The stupidest sonofabitch that ever roamed the earth". He thought my boss should know about that. My boss told him that if he didn't want to be called that he should get smarter... -Curt Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:52:05 -0700 From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sunroof quit To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 YE! Just activated my manual sunfroof!! You guys didn't tell me this was an option. Opened the sunroof by hand about 3/4 of the way. Pulled down the healiner in front. First tried to pull it forward and out, but wouldn't go. So pushed it back. Then pulled the roof shut. Then after trying to think of things I might wedge in there to keep the roof lifted and sealed up, decided to pull in that bar. That made it pop up to apparently sealed position. YES! Then dawned on me that I can simply open the plataged thing by hand and shut it as desired and put the silly headliner back forward when done. Couldn't have done it without youz guyz' advice. Thanks. Now, to remove the motor for increased fuel efficiency. Brian - Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sunroof quit
I continuely find myself wondering about your replies. You ask, I give you actual instructions that WILL work and you want to cirumvent them in ways that don't make any sense. Have you at least pulled the headliner down and looked in there yet? Maybe theres a dead squirrel or something blocking up the works... No removing the headliner is not just to give you something to push on its to allow you to push on the ONE THING THAT WILL HELP YOUR SITUATION EXACTLY. Thats why I said to do it... Besides which a suction cup thats strong enough to help in this case will surely damage the paint. -Curt Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:57:51 -0700 From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sunroof quit To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Okay, so is the removal of the headliner simply to gain access to something to grab ahold of and pull? If so, I might consider using a suction cup (cheap dent puller dealy) and trying to pull from the outside. Brian - Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sunroof quit
Good. I forgot about the junk yard option. Or perhaps I could re-tap the threads. I need to do something, as now the wife wants to get rid of the car because the sunroof is broken! (and because it only got 32 mpg on mixed driving) Brian 87 190D (in peril) On 9/21/07, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm thinking that without that nut being in place, there is no tension > > on the cable? And thus the motor just spins. > > Yup. But you can get a new sunroof motor assembly at the > junkyard for not much moola. Now that you've got access to > the guts of the roof you can fix the original problem, whatever > it is. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sunroof quit
> I'm thinking that without that nut being in place, there is no tension > on the cable? And thus the motor just spins. Yup. But you can get a new sunroof motor assembly at the junkyard for not much moola. Now that you've got access to the guts of the roof you can fix the original problem, whatever it is. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sunroof quit
Did you get my finder's fee check in the mail for that car? Brian On 9/21/07, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Glad I could help. > > Zoltan Finks wrote: > > YE! Just activated my manual sunfroof!! > > > > You guys didn't tell me this was an option. > > > > Opened the sunroof by hand about 3/4 of the way. Pulled down the > > healiner in front. First tried to pull it forward and out, but > > wouldn't go. So pushed it back. Then pulled the roof shut. > > > > Then after trying to think of things I might wedge in there to keep > > the roof lifted and sealed up, decided to pull in that bar. That made > > it pop up to apparently sealed position. YES! > > > > Then dawned on me that I can simply open the plataged thing by hand > > and shut it as desired and put the silly headliner back forward when > > done. > > > > Couldn't have done it without youz guyz' advice. Thanks. > > > > Now, to remove the motor for increased fuel efficiency. > > > > Brian > > > > On 9/21/07, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> And now I know why the adjustment nut will not re-tighten. I managed > >> to strip it by attempting to use it to close the roof. > >> > >> Thanks user's manual for being unclear. > >> > >> I'm thinking that without that nut being in place, there is no tension > >> on the cable? And thus the motor just spins. > >> > >> Brian > >> > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > -- > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, > 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, > 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 > http://www.okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sunroof quit
Glad I could help. Zoltan Finks wrote: > YE! Just activated my manual sunfroof!! > > You guys didn't tell me this was an option. > > Opened the sunroof by hand about 3/4 of the way. Pulled down the > healiner in front. First tried to pull it forward and out, but > wouldn't go. So pushed it back. Then pulled the roof shut. > > Then after trying to think of things I might wedge in there to keep > the roof lifted and sealed up, decided to pull in that bar. That made > it pop up to apparently sealed position. YES! > > Then dawned on me that I can simply open the plataged thing by hand > and shut it as desired and put the silly headliner back forward when > done. > > Couldn't have done it without youz guyz' advice. Thanks. > > Now, to remove the motor for increased fuel efficiency. > > Brian > > On 9/21/07, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> And now I know why the adjustment nut will not re-tighten. I managed >> to strip it by attempting to use it to close the roof. >> >> Thanks user's manual for being unclear. >> >> I'm thinking that without that nut being in place, there is no tension >> on the cable? And thus the motor just spins. >> >> Brian >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sunroof quit
YE! Just activated my manual sunfroof!! You guys didn't tell me this was an option. Opened the sunroof by hand about 3/4 of the way. Pulled down the healiner in front. First tried to pull it forward and out, but wouldn't go. So pushed it back. Then pulled the roof shut. Then after trying to think of things I might wedge in there to keep the roof lifted and sealed up, decided to pull in that bar. That made it pop up to apparently sealed position. YES! Then dawned on me that I can simply open the plataged thing by hand and shut it as desired and put the silly headliner back forward when done. Couldn't have done it without youz guyz' advice. Thanks. Now, to remove the motor for increased fuel efficiency. Brian On 9/21/07, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And now I know why the adjustment nut will not re-tighten. I managed > to strip it by attempting to use it to close the roof. > > Thanks user's manual for being unclear. > > I'm thinking that without that nut being in place, there is no tension > on the cable? And thus the motor just spins. > > Brian > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sunroof quit
And now I know why the adjustment nut will not re-tighten. I managed to strip it by attempting to use it to close the roof. Thanks user's manual for being unclear. I'm thinking that without that nut being in place, there is no tension on the cable? And thus the motor just spins. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sunroof quit
Okay, so is the removal of the headliner simply to gain access to something to grab ahold of and pull? If so, I might consider using a suction cup (cheap dent puller dealy) and trying to pull from the outside. Brian On 9/19/07, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My 240D played that game too. > Take the sunroof headliner down, you might have to open it a bit more to do > so but thats okay. > Now run it as closed as it'll get, theres a bar across the sunroof that the > cable attaches to. Hold the sunroof button with one hand, grab the bar right > at the cable with the other and force it closed. > Moving the bar should force the rear of the sunroof up. > > -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sunroof quit
-- Original message -- From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Any thoughts regarding why that silly hex nut just spins and won't tighten? > > And any thoughts on how in the meantime I can get the roof to seal up? > On my 300SDL, I got the sunroof somewhet closed using Irish curses. I than bougth some 3" wide magnetinc tape and ran it around the outside. Car is dark Blue, tape is black. SWHBO was reluctant to pay for roof repair. Pete ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sunroof quit
My 240D played that game too. Take the sunroof headliner down, you might have to open it a bit more to do so but thats okay. Now run it as closed as it'll get, theres a bar across the sunroof that the cable attaches to. Hold the sunroof button with one hand, grab the bar right at the cable with the other and force it closed. Moving the bar should force the rear of the sunroof up. -Curt Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:05:52 -0700 From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sunroof quit To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Great instructions. Yeah, I don't really have the service manual, so can't consult that. As for just getting the thing closed for now: I got in the trunk and attempted to turn the thing the owner's manual describes as a hex shaped thing. So I put a socket on the hex nut and turned. It got harder to turn as it went. I did see something inside the motor turning though. The manual says clockwise closes the roof. So just to try to see how things work, I turned counterclockwise, and the nut began to unthread from its center shaft. Wonder if the factory tool was made to turn this center shaft (which has a couple of flats and the rest is round) instead of the nut? (factory tool is missing). I turned the center shaft with some pliers and it rotated a bit, then started to sort of strip out. When I let go of it, it rotates back counterclockwise a bit. I have physically pulled and pushed the sunroof shut, but it won't raise up and seal up to the roof in the rear. I thought the thing was designed so that it could be reliably opened and closed manually from the trunk. Maybe that's just in the case of a motor failure, not a binding-up situation? Brian - Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sunroof quit
> Any thoughts regarding why that silly hex nut just spins and won't > tighten? No, I've never had to take apart that end. You have to hold the flatted shaft while you tighten it, but somehow I doubt that's your problem. > And any thoughts on how in the meantime I can get the roof to seal up? Duct tape? If you can't get the headliner panel out (roof is closed) and you can't make the cable move... > Is it simply cable tension that snugs the roof up in place and holds > it there? Indirectly, operating on the linkage that is clearly exposed once the headliner panel is removed. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sunroof quit
Any thoughts regarding why that silly hex nut just spins and won't tighten? And any thoughts on how in the meantime I can get the roof to seal up? Is it simply cable tension that snugs the roof up in place and holds it there? Brian On 9/18/07, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Also, on your site, you mentioned some sort of plastic cap onto which > > the factory tool goes? That was not present. > > The plastic hex cap, often missing, locks the hex nut > in position on the flatted shaft. The tire iron > turns the entire mess, but it only works so long > as it hasn't gotten stiff. Once it binds, the plastic > cap breaks, falls into the trunk, and is discarded. > > > I think maybe my loosening of that clutch adjusting nut has removed > > tension on the cable? > > Yes, you could try tightening it back a bit. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sunroof quit
> Also, on your site, you mentioned some sort of plastic cap onto which > the factory tool goes? That was not present. The plastic hex cap, often missing, locks the hex nut in position on the flatted shaft. The tire iron turns the entire mess, but it only works so long as it hasn't gotten stiff. Once it binds, the plastic cap breaks, falls into the trunk, and is discarded. > I think maybe my loosening of that clutch adjusting nut has removed > tension on the cable? Yes, you could try tightening it back a bit. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sunroof quit
I have read most of the info in those two links you posted. Answered some questions. We have noticed before this failure that there were a few streaks being left on the headliner from opening and closing the roof. And the stuff feels gummy. Sounds like all needs a cleaning. I wonder if someone has messed with this before and used wrong lube. Also, on your site, you mentioned some sort of plastic cap onto which the factory tool goes? That was not present. Of course you mentioned the tool being the tire iron. With the 190, apparently, they supplied a separate tool into which the supplied screwdriver gets inserted in order to give turning power. But in my defense, the manual described the turning dealie as "hex". That's why I turned the hex nut. I did put the key in ignition and operated the switch in hopes it would go ahead and seal up to roof. But I just hear the motor running. I think maybe my loosening of that clutch adjusting nut has removed tension on the cable? Brian On 9/18/07, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So just to try to see how things work, I turned counterclockwise, and > > the nut began to unthread from its center shaft. Wonder if the factory > > tool was made to turn this center shaft (which has a couple of flats > > and the rest is round) instead of the nut? (factory tool is missing). > > It is. The nut sets the clutch tension IIRC, the flatted shaft > is what drives the cable. Until something jams. > > > I thought the thing was designed so that it could be reliably opened > > and closed manually from the trunk. Maybe that's just in the case of a > > motor failure, not a binding-up situation? > > Exactly. Motor, switch, or fuse failure. A jammed mechanism > is, well, _jammed_. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sunroof quit
> So just to try to see how things work, I turned counterclockwise, and > the nut began to unthread from its center shaft. Wonder if the factory > tool was made to turn this center shaft (which has a couple of flats > and the rest is round) instead of the nut? (factory tool is missing). It is. The nut sets the clutch tension IIRC, the flatted shaft is what drives the cable. Until something jams. > I thought the thing was designed so that it could be reliably opened > and closed manually from the trunk. Maybe that's just in the case of a > motor failure, not a binding-up situation? Exactly. Motor, switch, or fuse failure. A jammed mechanism is, well, _jammed_. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sunroof quit
Probably the cable is toast or the translation bridge is sideways. Sorry not to have managed to get into this discussion sooner, but what you should have done, if the roof was open partway, was to have removed the headliner. You can then get it to move manually and remove the cable. The usual failure is broken lift angles, followed by the translation bridge getting stuck at a cross angle. Until to get the bridge straight across, the roof panel won't move. Peter On Sep 18, 2007, at 7:05 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote: > Great instructions. > > Yeah, I don't really have the service manual, so can't consult that. > > As for just getting the thing closed for now: > > I got in the trunk and attempted to turn the thing the owner's manual > describes as a hex shaped thing. So I put a socket on the hex nut and > turned. It got harder to turn as it went. I did see something inside > the motor turning though. The manual says clockwise closes the roof. > > So just to try to see how things work, I turned counterclockwise, and > the nut began to unthread from its center shaft. Wonder if the factory > tool was made to turn this center shaft (which has a couple of flats > and the rest is round) instead of the nut? (factory tool is missing). > > I turned the center shaft with some pliers and it rotated a bit, then > started to sort of strip out. When I let go of it, it rotates back > counterclockwise a bit. > > I have physically pulled and pushed the sunroof shut, but it won't > raise up and seal up to the roof in the rear. > > I thought the thing was designed so that it could be reliably opened > and closed manually from the trunk. Maybe that's just in the case of a > motor failure, not a binding-up situation? > > Brian > > On 9/18/07, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> The cable is the best place to start. Call Rusty and get some of the >> paste. >> Then get a small bottle brush that'll fit down the tube, its about >> 1/4" diameter or so. Also get about 8' of wire. Its got to be fairly >> strong but not super strong. 14ga house wire might work, 16ga would >> be better if you can get it. >> Then pull the headliner on the sunroof off, its easier if you start >> with it open. Just pull down on it, maybe use a plastic paint scraper >> to wedge it open. >> Disconnect the cable from the sunroof and run it out so it comes up >> out of the tube. Feed it out through the sunroof. WEAR GLOVES! Spend >> some time with some brake cleaner cleaning it up good. >> In the trunk disconnect the motor from the tube. I honestly don't >> remember how that works, its been 3 years since I did it, you'll >> figure it out it's not magic. >> Attach the wire to the brush. >> Shoot brake cleaner down the tube from the sunroof end. Then feed the >> brush down it. Work the brush back and forth, add brake cleaner, >> brush some more. >> Did I mention a pan in the trunk to catch the brake cleaner? >> Once the tube is clean (I wrapped my brush in paper towel for one >> last swipe) and the cable is clean stand in the car with your sunroof >> paste, get a good glob on your hand and glob it on the cable as you >> feed it back into the tube. >> >> As a last step you can use an acid brush to paint the channels the >> sunroof rides in. >> >> Now as a note when I did this on my 240D I took the sunroof out and >> messed with it. BIG MISTAKE. Cost me several hundred dollars for my >> Indy to fix what I bodgered... >> >> -Curt >> >> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:31:55 -0700 >> From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: [MBZ] Sunroof quit >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >> Message-ID: >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> I guess I'm now a member of the sunroof trouble club. >> >> I noticed after buying the 87 190D that the sunroof didn't close fully >> one time. So I re-opened it and closed it and it thunked shut loudly. >> >> Since then, it sort of thunked loudly when shutting but closed >> reliably. >> >> Tonight, it closed almost fully, but that's it. I re-opened it and >> tried to close it - no dice. >> >> And then it started to open and close very slowly. >> >> And now it won't move. >> >> Question: If I try to crank it shut manually in the trunk will I bolix >> it up? >> >> And: What is best course to fix this? >> >> I know I've heard of this offici
Re: [MBZ] Sunroof quit
Great instructions. Yeah, I don't really have the service manual, so can't consult that. As for just getting the thing closed for now: I got in the trunk and attempted to turn the thing the owner's manual describes as a hex shaped thing. So I put a socket on the hex nut and turned. It got harder to turn as it went. I did see something inside the motor turning though. The manual says clockwise closes the roof. So just to try to see how things work, I turned counterclockwise, and the nut began to unthread from its center shaft. Wonder if the factory tool was made to turn this center shaft (which has a couple of flats and the rest is round) instead of the nut? (factory tool is missing). I turned the center shaft with some pliers and it rotated a bit, then started to sort of strip out. When I let go of it, it rotates back counterclockwise a bit. I have physically pulled and pushed the sunroof shut, but it won't raise up and seal up to the roof in the rear. I thought the thing was designed so that it could be reliably opened and closed manually from the trunk. Maybe that's just in the case of a motor failure, not a binding-up situation? Brian On 9/18/07, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The cable is the best place to start. Call Rusty and get some of the paste. > Then get a small bottle brush that'll fit down the tube, its about 1/4" > diameter or so. Also get about 8' of wire. Its got to be fairly strong but > not super strong. 14ga house wire might work, 16ga would be better if you can > get it. > Then pull the headliner on the sunroof off, its easier if you start with it > open. Just pull down on it, maybe use a plastic paint scraper to wedge it > open. > Disconnect the cable from the sunroof and run it out so it comes up out of > the tube. Feed it out through the sunroof. WEAR GLOVES! Spend some time with > some brake cleaner cleaning it up good. > In the trunk disconnect the motor from the tube. I honestly don't remember > how that works, its been 3 years since I did it, you'll figure it out it's > not magic. > Attach the wire to the brush. > Shoot brake cleaner down the tube from the sunroof end. Then feed the brush > down it. Work the brush back and forth, add brake cleaner, brush some more. > Did I mention a pan in the trunk to catch the brake cleaner? > Once the tube is clean (I wrapped my brush in paper towel for one last swipe) > and the cable is clean stand in the car with your sunroof paste, get a good > glob on your hand and glob it on the cable as you feed it back into the tube. > > As a last step you can use an acid brush to paint the channels the sunroof > rides in. > > Now as a note when I did this on my 240D I took the sunroof out and messed > with it. BIG MISTAKE. Cost me several hundred dollars for my Indy to fix what > I bodgered... > > -Curt > > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:31:55 -0700 > From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [MBZ] Sunroof quit > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I guess I'm now a member of the sunroof trouble club. > > I noticed after buying the 87 190D that the sunroof didn't close fully > one time. So I re-opened it and closed it and it thunked shut loudly. > > Since then, it sort of thunked loudly when shutting but closed > reliably. > > Tonight, it closed almost fully, but that's it. I re-opened it and > tried to close it - no dice. > > And then it started to open and close very slowly. > > And now it won't move. > > Question: If I try to crank it shut manually in the trunk will I bolix > it up? > > And: What is best course to fix this? > > I know I've heard of this official Geitpaste or however it's spelled > and pronounced. But I haven't the foggiest on how to apply it, or it > it's even the appropriate measure. > > Thanks > Brian > > > - > Luggage? GPS? Comic books? > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sunroof quit
The cable is the best place to start. Call Rusty and get some of the paste. Then get a small bottle brush that'll fit down the tube, its about 1/4" diameter or so. Also get about 8' of wire. Its got to be fairly strong but not super strong. 14ga house wire might work, 16ga would be better if you can get it. Then pull the headliner on the sunroof off, its easier if you start with it open. Just pull down on it, maybe use a plastic paint scraper to wedge it open. Disconnect the cable from the sunroof and run it out so it comes up out of the tube. Feed it out through the sunroof. WEAR GLOVES! Spend some time with some brake cleaner cleaning it up good. In the trunk disconnect the motor from the tube. I honestly don't remember how that works, its been 3 years since I did it, you'll figure it out it's not magic. Attach the wire to the brush. Shoot brake cleaner down the tube from the sunroof end. Then feed the brush down it. Work the brush back and forth, add brake cleaner, brush some more. Did I mention a pan in the trunk to catch the brake cleaner? Once the tube is clean (I wrapped my brush in paper towel for one last swipe) and the cable is clean stand in the car with your sunroof paste, get a good glob on your hand and glob it on the cable as you feed it back into the tube. As a last step you can use an acid brush to paint the channels the sunroof rides in. Now as a note when I did this on my 240D I took the sunroof out and messed with it. BIG MISTAKE. Cost me several hundred dollars for my Indy to fix what I bodgered... -Curt Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:31:55 -0700 From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [MBZ] Sunroof quit To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I guess I'm now a member of the sunroof trouble club. I noticed after buying the 87 190D that the sunroof didn't close fully one time. So I re-opened it and closed it and it thunked shut loudly. Since then, it sort of thunked loudly when shutting but closed reliably. Tonight, it closed almost fully, but that's it. I re-opened it and tried to close it - no dice. And then it started to open and close very slowly. And now it won't move. Question: If I try to crank it shut manually in the trunk will I bolix it up? And: What is best course to fix this? I know I've heard of this official Geitpaste or however it's spelled and pronounced. But I haven't the foggiest on how to apply it, or it it's even the appropriate measure. Thanks Brian - Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sunroof quit
> And then it started to open and close very slowly. > And now it won't move. So sad. You waited a bit long it seems. > Question: If I try to crank it shut manually in the trunk will I bolix > it up? Possibly. No real choice, however. > And: What is best course to fix this? You don't have any option but to get it partially open and then service it per the manual. Is this a popup type? Better hope not. > I know I've heard of this official Geitpaste or however it's spelled > and pronounced. But I haven't the foggiest on how to apply it, or it > it's even the appropriate measure. A film can's worth is good for a car or two. The manual tells how, or you may be able to glean some information from my sagas: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/cwsunroof.html http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mb240d.html#sunroof -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Sunroof quit
I guess I'm now a member of the sunroof trouble club. I noticed after buying the 87 190D that the sunroof didn't close fully one time. So I re-opened it and closed it and it thunked shut loudly. Since then, it sort of thunked loudly when shutting but closed reliably. Tonight, it closed almost fully, but that's it. I re-opened it and tried to close it - no dice. And then it started to open and close very slowly. And now it won't move. Question: If I try to crank it shut manually in the trunk will I bolix it up? And: What is best course to fix this? I know I've heard of this official Geitpaste or however it's spelled and pronounced. But I haven't the foggiest on how to apply it, or it it's even the appropriate measure. Thanks Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
