Re: [MBZ] Thermostat behaviour
Regardless, once you peg the temperature gauge, the odds are high that the thermostat needs to be replaced, UNLESS you had an air pocket in the top of the head. The late Dieseling Doctor used to say that the wax pellet in the t-stat would deform to the point that it no longer worked correctly. I like the idea of an air pocket in the system, especially if you recently drained/filled the coolant. Need to have the nose of the car elevated, begin fill at the upper radiator hose into the engine, keep heat setting on full heat and patiently fill in as much coolant as possible. I like to burp the system by squeezing the upper radiator hose until air no longer bubble up into the expansion tank and I don't hear air gurgling around when I squeeze the hose. A good sign that you have an air pocket is a gurgling sound under the dash upon hard acceleration. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:54 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thermostat behaviour That doesn't sound like thermostat to me at all. Coolant level? -Curt Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:03:14 -0500 From: Michael Esh michael...@me.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thermostat behaviour To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 90845282-7154-4fe8-913e-9eaeb6dce...@me.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Thanks for the help everyone. The coolant temp nearly pegged out, then after I played around the HVAC buttons it dropped to normal and the heater started blowing warm. Mike On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:24 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN- ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Mike, How high is way up? I doubt they're related problems, sounds like a monovalve failure for the lack of cabin heat (or some other problem with the HVAC) and maybe thermostat for the overheating (over 95 deg C is probably too hot when not in AC-season). Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thermostat behaviour
I took the car (84 300D) out this morning and everything worked normally. I am hoping it was a bubble/glitch in the system. Coolant level is good. Mike On Dec 8, 2009, at 9:53 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: That doesn't sound like thermostat to me at all. Coolant level? -Curt Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:03:14 -0500 From: Michael Esh michael...@me.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thermostat behaviour To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 90845282-7154-4fe8-913e-9eaeb6dce...@me.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Thanks for the help everyone. The coolant temp nearly pegged out, then after I played around the HVAC buttons it dropped to normal and the heater started blowing warm. Mike On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:24 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN- ATLANTIC,53310 wrote: Mike, How high is way up? I doubt they're related problems, sounds like a monovalve failure for the lack of cabin heat (or some other problem with the HVAC) and maybe thermostat for the overheating (over 95 deg C is probably too hot when not in AC-season). Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Thermostat behaviour
1984 300d - Does the thermostat typically get stuck in the closed position? The temp gauge is going way up while the heat is not showing up in car. This just started recently with the onset of the cold weather. Any suggestions? Thanks Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thermostat behaviour
Mike, How high is way up? I doubt they're related problems, sounds like a monovalve failure for the lack of cabin heat (or some other problem with the HVAC) and maybe thermostat for the overheating (over 95 deg C is probably too hot when not in AC-season). Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Michael Esh Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 11:10 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Thermostat behaviour 1984 300d - Does the thermostat typically get stuck in the closed position? The temp gauge is going way up while the heat is not showing up in car. This just started recently with the onset of the cold weather. Any suggestions? Thanks Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thermostat behaviour
From: Michael Esh michael...@me.com 1984 300d - Does the thermostat typically get stuck in the closed position? Nope This just started recently with the onset of the cold weather. Any suggestions? Not enough coolant? Air pocket? Monovalve? Too much water and it is frozen? Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thermostat behaviour
Rick Knoble wrote: Not enough coolant? Air pocket? Monovalve? Too much water and it is frozen? I saw 16° F a couple of times in the last several days, and I'm about 100 miles from Mike. I think I'm south of him, but he's closer to Lake Michigan. I slushed up the Taurus a couple of times when the coolant was apparently weak, the temp would shoot to the sky before enough ice melted to allow circulation outside the engine. No heat or engine cooling until the steam from the engine got to the ice elsewhere. 2nd time it happened cost me a radiator, and probably contributed to my head gasket job a few thousand miles later. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thermostat behaviour
It can and thats what I surmise finally ruined the headgasket in my 300TD. On the other hand the other night my 240D was running real hot. Turned out it was 2 quarts low on coolant. I've got a leak somewhere I need to track down. -Curt Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:09:36 -0500 From: Michael Esh michael...@me.com Subject: [MBZ] Thermostat behaviour To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 855cd18a-5075-4788-9e98-581a5cec0...@me.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes 1984 300d - Does the thermostat typically get stuck in the closed position? The temp gauge is going way up while the heat is not showing up in car. This just started recently with the onset of the cold weather. Any suggestions? Thanks Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thermostat behaviour
Ouch. My bet is on a broken water pump. On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: It can and thats what I surmise finally ruined the headgasket in my 300TD. On the other hand the other night my 240D was running real hot. Turned out it was 2 quarts low on coolant. I've got a leak somewhere I need to track down. -Curt Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:09:36 -0500 From: Michael Esh michael...@me.com Subject: [MBZ] Thermostat behaviour To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 855cd18a-5075-4788-9e98-581a5cec0...@me.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes 1984 300d - Does the thermostat typically get stuck in the closed position? The temp gauge is going way up while the heat is not showing up in car. This just started recently with the onset of the cold weather. Any suggestions? Thanks Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thermostat behaviour
Thanks for the help everyone. The coolant temp nearly pegged out, then after I played around the HVAC buttons it dropped to normal and the heater started blowing warm. Mike On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:24 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN- ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Mike, How high is way up? I doubt they're related problems, sounds like a monovalve failure for the lack of cabin heat (or some other problem with the HVAC) and maybe thermostat for the overheating (over 95 deg C is probably too hot when not in AC-season). Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Michael Esh Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 11:10 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Thermostat behaviour 1984 300d - Does the thermostat typically get stuck in the closed position? The temp gauge is going way up while the heat is not showing up in car. This just started recently with the onset of the cold weather. Any suggestions? Thanks Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thermostat behaviour
You probably have the heater air bound. Was a PIA on mt 300SDL to purge it. Had to do many cold to hot cycles. Strong point for one of my old Dodges, it had a pipe plug on top of the goose neck to facilitate bleeding, worked 100%. Michael Esh wrote: 1984 300d - Does the thermostat typically get stuck in the closed position? The temp gauge is going way up while the heat is not showing up in car. This just started recently with the onset of the cold weather. Any suggestions? Thanks Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thermostat behaviour
Blown Head Gaskets were OEM on the 3.8 Fords -- Pete Arnold My Mind Not Only Wanders, Sometimes it Leaves Completely! Mitch Haley wrote: Rick Knoble wrote: Not enough coolant? Air pocket? Monovalve? Too much water and it is frozen? I saw 16° F a couple of times in the last several days, and I'm about 100 miles from Mike. I think I'm south of him, but he's closer to Lake Michigan. I slushed up the Taurus a couple of times when the coolant was apparently weak, the temp would shoot to the sky before enough ice melted to allow circulation outside the engine. No heat or engine cooling until the steam from the engine got to the ice elsewhere. 2nd time it happened cost me a radiator, and probably contributed to my head gasket job a few thousand miles later. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thermostat behaviour
Not sure thermostat is bad. Had this issue with old car that had radiator freeze up. Not enough heat to defrost it after is got solid, and at speed, all the calories were sucked out before they could make phase change to water from ice. clay On Dec 8, 2009, at 8:09 AM, Michael Esh wrote: 1984 300d - Does the thermostat typically get stuck in the closed position? The temp gauge is going way up while the heat is not showing up in car. This just started recently with the onset of the cold weather. Any suggestions? Thanks Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thermostat behaviour
1984 300d - Does the thermostat typically get stuck in the closed position? Not usually. The temp gauge is going way up while the heat is not showing up in car. This just started recently with the onset of the cold weather. Any suggestions? Air pocket. Frozen coolant. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thermostat behaviour
That doesn't sound like thermostat to me at all. Coolant level? -Curt Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:03:14 -0500 From: Michael Esh michael...@me.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thermostat behaviour To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 90845282-7154-4fe8-913e-9eaeb6dce...@me.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Thanks for the help everyone. The coolant temp nearly pegged out, then after I played around the HVAC buttons it dropped to normal and the heater started blowing warm. Mike On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:24 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN- ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Mike, How high is way up? I doubt they're related problems, sounds like a monovalve failure for the lack of cabin heat (or some other problem with the HVAC) and maybe thermostat for the overheating (over 95 deg C is probably too hot when not in AC-season). Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thermostat behaviour
Could be but I doubt it, its been leaking for a year now... It leaks about 2 quarts every 6 months at which point something happens, I notice it and top it off... This time the car got hot, last time I just happened to check. -Curt Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 15:09:44 -0500 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thermostat behaviour To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: b8cdcef40912081209x73be6517ia2ea256205e12...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ouch. My bet is on a broken water pump. On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: It can and thats what I surmise finally ruined the headgasket in my 300TD. On the other hand the other night my 240D was running real hot. Turned out it was 2 quarts low on coolant. I've got a leak somewhere I need to track down. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thermostat behaviour
Peter T. Arnold wrote: Blown Head Gaskets were OEM on the 3.8 Fords Yeah, but I replaced the blown one right after I bought the car for $250. Then I froze/overheated the car a couple of times and the problem came back. The 2nd time around I replaced both gaskets and had the heads milled for good measure. That was about 35,000 miles ago. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thermostat Change 190D and Search Engine in Archives
1. Thanks, Kaleb. I was able to search via the page you sent me a link to. Don't know how I could have found the page otherwise, but thanks. 2. Thanks, John, for the digital camera idea. Hadn't thought of that. I suppose it is to auto repair what GPS is to exploration. Hope surgeons don't start doing this. 3. This is not, at all, a rip on Rusty or anyone esle: But I am not willing to assume that the person selling me parts is all-knowing - as you two have suggested I do. I have been told repeatedly that my 190D should run at 80C, and I saw that Rusty's site only offered an 85C thermostat. That is why I simply asked if running an 85C thermostat is better or not. Since then I have seen a post in the archives by Marshall that suggested that the car ought to run at 85. So I need to decide what advice to heed. Brian On 11/15/07, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zoltan Finks wrote: And also: the AutoZone website lists the thermostat original equipment as being 180 degree, and they also sell a 185 degree one. Seems they may have Celcius and Farenheit mixed up? RE the temperature of the thermostat... call Rusty, ask for a thermostat, use the one he gives you. Leave it at that. I've never changed an OM60x thermostat, but on the 617 I didn't use any sealant, etc since the thermostat came with a gasket. I've never heard of the housing breaking, but have heard of old bolts breaking. If you have a digital camera just take pictures on your way in so that you can put all the stuff thats in your way back in its place. Just stop over-analyzing it and get in there! ;) HTH John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thermostat Change 190D and Search Engine in Archives
Always call - he can get a lot more parts than are on the web site, and they (Rusty's not working all by himself) can steer you to the best part for your needs. So when most of you guys order parts from Rusty, do you simply call him up and have him find the correct part for you, almost as if you were walking up to the counter at a parts house? I assumed the website was there so he wouldn't have to be on the phone looking up parts all the time. But I don't know, I was just assuming. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thermostat Change 190D and Search Engine in Archives
3. This is not, at all, a rip on Rusty or anyone esle: But I am not willing to assume that the person selling me parts is all-knowing - as you two have suggested I do. asked if running an 85C thermostat is better or not. Since then I have seen a post in the archives by Marshall that suggested that the car ought to run at 85. So I need to decide what advice to heed. Brian If you have ever seen a documentary concerning Eric Clapton there is usually a reference to some graffiti on a wall stating Clapton is God. In Mercedes context concerning MB parts Rusty is God and concerning MB diesel repairs and maintenance Marshall is God. Buy whatever thermostat Rusty recommends, and change the f'n thing. You gotta learn to trust the peoples intelligence on this list. Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thermostat Change 190D and Search Engine in Archives
Don't trust the bozos at Autozone et al unless they prove themselves. Rusty proves himself day in and day out on this list. Your car will run somewhere just north of 80c with an 85c thermostat. The rated temp is at the point where the thermostat is fully open, its opening before that... I've got one in my car, temp needle runs just above 80c. -Curt Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 00:23:31 -0800 From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thermostat Change 190D and Search Engine in Archives To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 1. Thanks, Kaleb. I was able to search via the page you sent me a link to. Don't know how I could have found the page otherwise, but thanks. 2. Thanks, John, for the digital camera idea. Hadn't thought of that. I suppose it is to auto repair what GPS is to exploration. Hope surgeons don't start doing this. 3. This is not, at all, a rip on Rusty or anyone esle: But I am not willing to assume that the person selling me parts is all-knowing - as you two have suggested I do. I have been told repeatedly that my 190D should run at 80C, and I saw that Rusty's site only offered an 85C thermostat. That is why I simply asked if running an 85C thermostat is better or not. Since then I have seen a post in the archives by Marshall that suggested that the car ought to run at 85. So I need to decide what advice to heed. Brian - Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thermostat Change 190D and Search Engine in Archives
I just sent him a list of part numbers usually. Many times it will be cheaper if you call. Also not everything is on the website. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thermostat Change 190D and Search Engine in Archives Ah, and there is a song by Bruce Springstein in which he says blind faith in your leaders will get you killed. :) I was wanting to lean on the intelligence of the list. That's why I asked about any pitfalls, like the whole air getting trapped thing. Looks like the repair advice is not to think that much and just start buying and wrenching. Maybe my mistake with Rusty's site is I go to the parts catalog and search for my part, then often get stumped when it lists more than one part or requires some other knowledge I don't have. So when most of you guys order parts from Rusty, do you simply call him up and have him find the correct part for you, almost as if you were walking up to the counter at a parts house? I assumed the website was there so he wouldn't have to be on the phone looking up parts all the time. But I don't know, I was just assuming. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thermostat Change 190D and Search Engine in Archives
Ah, and there is a song by Bruce Springstein in which he says blind faith in your leaders will get you killed. :) I was wanting to lean on the intelligence of the list. That's why I asked about any pitfalls, like the whole air getting trapped thing. Looks like the repair advice is not to think that much and just start buying and wrenching. Maybe my mistake with Rusty's site is I go to the parts catalog and search for my part, then often get stumped when it lists more than one part or requires some other knowledge I don't have. So when most of you guys order parts from Rusty, do you simply call him up and have him find the correct part for you, almost as if you were walking up to the counter at a parts house? I assumed the website was there so he wouldn't have to be on the phone looking up parts all the time. But I don't know, I was just assuming. Brian If you have ever seen a documentary concerning Eric Clapton there is usually a reference to some graffiti on a wall stating Clapton is God. In Mercedes context concerning MB parts Rusty is God and concerning MB diesel repairs and maintenance Marshall is God. Buy whatever thermostat Rusty recommends, and change the f'n thing. You gotta learn to trust the peoples intelligence on this list. Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thermostat Change 190D and Search Engine in Archives
Everyone know that Jabba does all the work around there. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thermostat Change 190D and Search Engine in Archives Always call - he can get a lot more parts than are on the web site, and they (Rusty's not working all by himself) can steer you to the best part for your needs. So when most of you guys order parts from Rusty, do you simply call him up and have him find the correct part for you, almost as if you were walking up to the counter at a parts house? I assumed the website was there so he wouldn't have to be on the phone looking up parts all the time. But I don't know, I was just assuming. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thermostat Change 190D and Search Engine in Archives
Zoltan Finks wrote: I was wanting to lean on the intelligence of the list. That's why I asked about any pitfalls, like the whole air getting trapped thing. Looks like the repair advice is not to think that much and just start buying and wrenching. Basically... just make sure to watch the temp gauge on that first drive around the block. So when most of you guys order parts from Rusty, do you simply call him up and have him find the correct part for you, almost as if you were walking up to the counter at a parts house? I assumed the website was there so he wouldn't have to be on the phone looking up parts all the time. But I don't know, I was just assuming. I'm usually one who doesn't like to ask other people to do what I can do for myself (ie, at Autozone I only go to the counter to get something from behind the counter), but with Rusty I call. I would say the website is only about 65% of what Rusty has to offer I usually use it to get a rough estimate of how much something would cost and thats about it. If you don't want to take up a lot of time on the phone send Tom (one of Rusty's employees) an email. [EMAIL PROTECTED] John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thermostat Change 190D and Search Engine in Archives
Depends on what I'm ordering. Some stuff isn't on the website, the driveshaft for my 190D for instance. For that stuff you need to call. When I'm just ordering oil filters or other small stuff I use the website. If I have any question I call. -Curt Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:32:22 -0800 From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thermostat Change 190D and Search Engine in Archives To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ah, and there is a song by Bruce Springstein in which he says blind faith in your leaders will get you killed. :) I was wanting to lean on the intelligence of the list. That's why I asked about any pitfalls, like the whole air getting trapped thing. Looks like the repair advice is not to think that much and just start buying and wrenching. Maybe my mistake with Rusty's site is I go to the parts catalog and search for my part, then often get stumped when it lists more than one part or requires some other knowledge I don't have. So when most of you guys order parts from Rusty, do you simply call him up and have him find the correct part for you, almost as if you were walking up to the counter at a parts house? I assumed the website was there so he wouldn't have to be on the phone looking up parts all the time. But I don't know, I was just assuming. Brian - Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thermostat Change 190D and Search Engine in Archives
On Nov 16, 2007, at 1:32 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote: So when most of you guys order parts from Rusty, do you simply call him up and have him find the correct part for you, almost as if you were walking up to the counter at a parts house? I tend to use email, but yes. I order from the web site when I know exactly what I want (like oil filters, etc). Incidentally, on the original topic of the thread, I think that the cooling system on a Mercedes is a little more sophisticated than one one on a (for example) Chevy, and therefore you should use THE thermostat that is specified for your car and not play around with hotter or cooler ones if you can even find them. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thermostat Change 190D and Search Engine in Archives
I would add that you should not expect a cheapo aftermarket and McParts to work, either. I learned that with my Audi Fox in the 70's -- anything but a Behr or other German one didn't work, as they didn't have the flap on the back to close off the bypass, or they had a huge bleed hole drilled in them and I had no heat. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thermostat Change 190D and Search Engine in Archives
Also, I see the only thermostat available from Rusty is an 85 degree one. Is running a hotter thermostat better? Brian On 11/15/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, now that it looks like we are leaning toward keeping our 87 190D, I am back in the mode of needing to change the thermostat to *hopefully* get the thing to run at 80 degreesC. I have once again tried to see if there was a feature to search the list archives, but it looks like we are just able to sort by subject author or date. I was hoping I could go there and type in a search field thermostat and 190D and get all the archived writings on the subject. This would allow me to avoid making you guys go over subject matter already covered, and thus keep your patience level in the green. But as such: What do I need to look out for in doing this thermostat change? Bear in mind that most of my limited wrenching has been done on late '60's Chryslers. But as I look at (rather, try to see) the thermostat housing on the 190D, it's got stuff in the way, (I know: w w) and: 1. I have heard issues of the housing cracking, and 2. I have heard of issues of air getting trapped in the system. Is the original housing metal or plastic? Which is better? Do I need to apply sealant to the housing seal area before reinstalling, or do I leave it dry? What other issues set this apart from a simple thermostat change? Somebody set me straight and help me do this job right. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thermostat Change 190D and Search Engine in Archives
And also: the AutoZone website lists the thermostat original equipment as being 180 degree, and they also sell a 185 degree one. Seems they may have Celcius and Farenheit mixed up? I believe 80C equals 176F, and 85C equals 180F, no? Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thermostat Change 190D and Search Engine in Archives
To search the archives, you go here http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ Zoltan Finks wrote: Okay, now that it looks like we are leaning toward keeping our 87 190D, I am back in the mode of needing to change the thermostat to *hopefully* get the thing to run at 80 degreesC. I have once again tried to see if there was a feature to search the list archives, but it looks like we are just able to sort by subject author or date. I was hoping I could go there and type in a search field thermostat and 190D and get all the archived writings on the subject. This would allow me to avoid making you guys go over subject matter already covered, and thus keep your patience level in the green. But as such: What do I need to look out for in doing this thermostat change? Bear in mind that most of my limited wrenching has been done on late '60's Chryslers. But as I look at (rather, try to see) the thermostat housing on the 190D, it's got stuff in the way, (I know: w w) and: 1. I have heard issues of the housing cracking, and 2. I have heard of issues of air getting trapped in the system. Is the original housing metal or plastic? Which is better? Do I need to apply sealant to the housing seal area before reinstalling, or do I leave it dry? What other issues set this apart from a simple thermostat change? Somebody set me straight and help me do this job right. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Thermostat Change 190D and Search Engine in Archives
Okay, now that it looks like we are leaning toward keeping our 87 190D, I am back in the mode of needing to change the thermostat to *hopefully* get the thing to run at 80 degreesC. I have once again tried to see if there was a feature to search the list archives, but it looks like we are just able to sort by subject author or date. I was hoping I could go there and type in a search field thermostat and 190D and get all the archived writings on the subject. This would allow me to avoid making you guys go over subject matter already covered, and thus keep your patience level in the green. But as such: What do I need to look out for in doing this thermostat change? Bear in mind that most of my limited wrenching has been done on late '60's Chryslers. But as I look at (rather, try to see) the thermostat housing on the 190D, it's got stuff in the way, (I know: w w) and: 1. I have heard issues of the housing cracking, and 2. I have heard of issues of air getting trapped in the system. Is the original housing metal or plastic? Which is better? Do I need to apply sealant to the housing seal area before reinstalling, or do I leave it dry? What other issues set this apart from a simple thermostat change? Somebody set me straight and help me do this job right. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thermostat Change 190D and Search Engine in Archives
Zoltan Finks wrote: And also: the AutoZone website lists the thermostat original equipment as being 180 degree, and they also sell a 185 degree one. Seems they may have Celcius and Farenheit mixed up? RE the temperature of the thermostat... call Rusty, ask for a thermostat, use the one he gives you. Leave it at that. I've never changed an OM60x thermostat, but on the 617 I didn't use any sealant, etc since the thermostat came with a gasket. I've never heard of the housing breaking, but have heard of old bolts breaking. If you have a digital camera just take pictures on your way in so that you can put all the stuff thats in your way back in its place. Just stop over-analyzing it and get in there! ;) HTH John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thermostat Change 190D and Search Engine in Archives
John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: RE the temperature of the thermostat... call Rusty, ask for a thermostat, use the one he gives you. Leave it at that. Agreed. I've never changed an OM60x thermostat, but on the 617 I didn't use any sealant, etc since the thermostat came with a gasket. I've never heard of the housing breaking, but have heard of old bolts breaking. I have heard of the housing corroding, when my indy replaced my thermostat he said that the housing was corroded and recommended replacing it as well. This would, I think, be fairly apparent once you have the old thermostat out. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thermostat and power steering leak
Curt Raymond wrote: I bought the low pressure hose from Rusty and replaced it at the same time. I didn't bother with the high pressure hose as it was in good shape. In retrospect I probably didn't need to do the low pressure hose either, it was in good shape, but better safe the sorry. A 15+ year old low pressure power steering hose NEEDS to be replaced. Every one of mine has started leaking during between 15-20 years. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[MBZ] Thermostat and power steering leak
When I left work last night, my power steering was howling as I left the parking garage. (Car is a 1990 300SEL) Luckily, I had flushed and filled the PS several months ago and still had left over fluid in my trunk. I checked it and it was very low - almost down to the filter (without the engine running). I filled it up and the noise when away. My question is where is the leak. I looked (quickly) in the darkness last night and couldn't see anything. Is there a common place to look? 2nd issue - Some of you may recall that I was complaining about not having any heat (or at least it was rare and intermittent). While I was filling the power steering fluid I felt the upper and lower radiator hose. The upper hose was warm, but the lower hose (i.e. after the Thermostat) was COLD. Does this mean that my thermostat is bad or is it just a sign that I had not driven far enough to get the thermostat to open. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL ~135K
Re: [MBZ] Thermostat and power steering leak
Donald Snook wrote: When I left work last night, my power steering was howling as I left the parking garage. (Car is a 1990 300SEL) Luckily, I had flushed and filled the PS several months ago and still had left over fluid in my trunk. I checked it and it was very low - almost down to the filter (without the engine running). I filled it up and the noise when away. My question is where is the leak. I looked (quickly) in the darkness last night and couldn't see anything. Is there a common place to look? 2nd issue - Some of you may recall that I was complaining about not having any heat (or at least it was rare and intermittent). While I was filling the power steering fluid I felt the upper and lower radiator hose. The upper hose was warm, but the lower hose (i.e. after the Thermostat) was COLD. Does this mean that my thermostat is bad or is it just a sign that I had not driven far enough to get the thermostat to open. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL ~135K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Most common leak in a 15+ year old car is the return hose leaking (cheap fix), but there are many possibilities including the pump front seals and steering box seals. Clean the engine compartment well and refill the reservoir. The look for leaks before starting and right after shutting off the car until you locate the leak. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] Thermostat and power steering leak
Its either going to be a line, the power steering pump, or the steering box. Donald Snook wrote: When I left work last night, my power steering was howling as I left the parking garage. (Car is a 1990 300SEL) Luckily, I had flushed and filled the PS several months ago and still had left over fluid in my trunk. I checked it and it was very low - almost down to the filter (without the engine running). I filled it up and the noise when away. My question is where is the leak. I looked (quickly) in the darkness last night and couldn't see anything. Is there a common place to look? 2nd issue - Some of you may recall that I was complaining about not having any heat (or at least it was rare and intermittent). While I was filling the power steering fluid I felt the upper and lower radiator hose. The upper hose was warm, but the lower hose (i.e. after the Thermostat) was COLD. Does this mean that my thermostat is bad or is it just a sign that I had not driven far enough to get the thermostat to open. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL ~135K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
[MBZ] Thermostat replacement
About how much coolant do I need to drain to change the thermostat on an OM617? Will three gallons do it? David Brodbeck '83 300D Turbo
Re: [MBZ] Thermostat replacement
About how much coolant do I need to drain to change the thermostat on an OM617? Will three gallons do it? Seems to me it's more like a gallon that has to come out. Usually I just drain what will come out into a bucket, and then pour it back in after the operation. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Thermostat replacement
When I changed the t'stat in my 91 300D recently I bought a gallon of
antifreeze at the dealer and used an add'l empty jug to pour half of the new
stuff into. I then filled both jugs (which were now both 1/2 filled with
coolant - giving me 2 full gallons. I ended up refilling the cooling system
(don't forget to turn the heater to hot so it gets refilled also) with a
little over a gallon of my coolant mixture into the system.
Good luck -
.
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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Subject: [MBZ] Thermostat replacement
About how much coolant do I need to drain to change the thermostat on an
OM617? Will three gallons do it?
David Brodbeck
'83 300D Turbo
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Re: [MBZ] Thermostat replacement
Marshall Booth wrote: 12.5 liters to completely drain and refill the cooling system and heater core of an OM617.95 engined 123 or 126. That's 3.3 gallons. Most other Mercedes diesels use less. Hmm...I might as well just drain and refill the whole system, then. I have no idea how long that stuff's been in there, so it should be changed anyway, and draining it all out the bottom before I start will minimize spillage when I open the thermostat housing. I wouldn't have asked at all except for a minor brain fart. For some reason I'd misread the capacity given in the manual as 12.5 *gallons*, which is way more than I wanted to deal with, but in hindsight there's just no way it could hold that much. ;) David Brodbeck '83 300D Turbo
Re: [MBZ] Thermostat replacement
I wouldn't have asked at all except for a minor brain fart. For some reason I'd misread the capacity given in the manual as 12.5 *gallons*, which is way more than I wanted to deal with, but in hindsight there's just no way it could hold that much. ;) I don't think even the infamous VW Beetle's 'radiator' holds that much! -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Thermostat replacement
Jim Cathey wrote: I wouldn't have asked at all except for a minor brain fart. For some reason I'd misread the capacity given in the manual as 12.5 *gallons*, which is way more than I wanted to deal with, but in hindsight there's just no way it could hold that much. ;) I don't think even the infamous VW Beetle's 'radiator' holds that much! I don't know...I'll have to check the section on coolant that Chilton helpfully provided in their manual for that car. ;)
[MBZ] Thermostat Replacement
Howdy -
Rec'd my new T'stat from Rusty yesterday and opened the hood thinking the
t'stat housing would be on top like most other cars (and my 240D) - to my
surprise it looks like it's *under* the exhaust manifold! Doesn't look all
that hard to get to - 2 nuts and a hose to remove - but the coolant will
need to be removed and replaced (I know, it probably needs to be replaced
anyway) but catching it as it flows out might be tricky - and I'll be
learning how to remove the forward sound panel. ;-)
Fun, fun, fun!
It's looking like I need to schedule a day where I can change the oil,
t'stat and motor mounts at one time. May as well wait and do the ATF
filter change then too. Might be a long day --
;-)
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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Re: [MBZ] Thermostat Replacement
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy - Rec'd my new T'stat from Rusty yesterday and opened the hood thinking the t'stat housing would be on top like most other cars (and my 240D) - to my surprise it looks like it's *under* the exhaust manifold! Doesn't look all that hard to get to - 2 nuts and a hose to remove - but the coolant will need to be removed and replaced (I know, it probably needs to be replaced anyway) but catching it as it flows out might be tricky - and I'll be learning how to remove the forward sound panel. ;-) All covered in the cooling system section (20) here: http://mb.braingears.com/124_DISC1/Program/engine_602_mech.htm Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] Thermostat Replacement (OM602)
Hi Larry,
I've never worked on a 602, and my 603's are similar, but not
identical to yours. Anyway, here's a couple of possible tips:
1) I can RR this from up top - I pull the rubber intake snorkel
(loosen the one clamp on each end), and that provides lots of room.
There's also access from below if you're having a hard time from up
top.
2) If there is a round electrical widget directly in front of the
housing, remove this first... it makes the job about 10x easier. I'm
not sure if the 602 has this sensor or not (may depend on model year).
On my car this is a 50C switch for the tranny vacuum circuit, with one
wire attached. The seal is re-useable.
3) There's a block drain under the turbo, near the motor mount
bracket, just above the oil pan. Loosen this 19mm fitting to drain the
block.
4) The front sound panel is attached with 4 screws - pretty simple. If
any of the nuts are stripped, you may be able to fix them with
pliers and a vise... I keep a bunch on hand though and replace the bad
ones periodically. They're pretty cheap from Rusty,
:-)
-Dave M.
--
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:57:27 -0500
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [MBZ] Thermostat Replacement
Howdy -
Rec'd my new T'stat from Rusty yesterday and opened the hood thinking the
t'stat housing would be on top like most other cars (and my 240D) - to my
surprise it looks like it's *under* the exhaust manifold! Doesn't look all
that hard to get to - 2 nuts and a hose to remove - but the coolant will
need to be removed and replaced (I know, it probably needs to be replaced
anyway) but catching it as it flows out might be tricky - and I'll be
learning how to remove the forward sound panel. ;-)
Fun, fun, fun!
It's looking like I need to schedule a day where I can change the oil,
t'stat and motor mounts at one time. May as well wait and do the ATF
filter change then too. Might be a long day --
;-)
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
[MBZ] Thermostat
After driving for at least 35 minutes at various speeds, the temperature gauge does not reach the 80C mark. The outside temp. is approx. F 30. The heat coming out of the vents is warm, not very warm. Could this indicate the thermostat is working properly? Mike N.
Re: [MBZ] Thermostat
Assuming of course your temp sensor works, then it's an indication that the temostat is faulty. Which reminds me to ask, I'm sure the 90's 300TDt sits at 83ish C. Should it be more like 90C? or 85C? The 83 300TDt does btw sit at 90C On 26-Nov-05, at 8:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After driving for at least 35 minutes at various speeds, the temperature gauge does not reach the 80C mark. The outside temp. is approx. F 30. The heat coming out of the vents is warm, not very warm. Could this indicate the thermostat is working properly? Mike N. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net John 1983 300TDt 358k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990 300TDt 149k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 168k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)
Re: [MBZ] Thermostat
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After driving for at least 35 minutes at various speeds, the temperature gauge does not reach the 80C mark. The outside temp. is approx. F 30. The heat coming out of the vents is warm, not very warm. Could this indicate the thermostat is working properly? Your temp gauge should read ~85 deg C (185 deg F) after 4-5 minutes of driving or the gauge OR the thermostat is bad. The thermostat is MUCH more likely. Thermostats were expected to be replaced every few anti-freeze changes (or ANY time the engine overheated for any reason) and are NOT expensive to replace. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
