Re: [MBZ] This One's For Wilt
OK Don via Mercedes wrote: There is a reason why bombs are shaped the way they are with fins on the back end - they tend to land where you aimed them better than random shaped objects. It doesn't help much if your non-toxic bombs don't hit the target. Otherwise, I like your idea I'm reminded of when the lunar colony revolted in the novel The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. They didn't have interplanetary weapons, but they had big engineless freight ships, they had a magnetic catapult that could hurl them beyond the moon's gravity, and they had lots of rock to fill them with. They could simply aim them to land on earth instead of going into harmless orbits. They announced the time and the locations of the first wave of rock-bombs. Thousands of idiots showed up to watch the impacts. The TV news idiots thought we'd been hit with nuclear weapons. Apparently they'd never heard what happens when meteors hit the earth. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] This One's For Wilt
I say we take off and nuke the whole site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. BTW those are called mass drivers and are great fun. I think Heinlein gave a brief explication of why the moon was a great place to base space exploration from, being mostly outside Earth's gravity well, having plenty of power and materials and advantageous launch conditions. One thing he sorta got wrong in the story was the limited supply of iron to work as the vessel for the rocks, you can just use a carriage sort of deal to bring the payload up to escape velocity, then capture and reuse the carriage (and reclaim some energy in the process). Or go capture a big nickel-iron asteroid and have plenty of magnetic stuff. --R On 7/30/14 10:01 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: OK Don via Mercedes wrote: There is a reason why bombs are shaped the way they are with fins on the back end - they tend to land where you aimed them better than random shaped objects. It doesn't help much if your non-toxic bombs don't hit the target. Otherwise, I like your idea I'm reminded of when the lunar colony revolted in the novel The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. They didn't have interplanetary weapons, but they had big engineless freight ships, they had a magnetic catapult that could hurl them beyond the moon's gravity, and they had lots of rock to fill them with. They could simply aim them to land on earth instead of going into harmless orbits. They announced the time and the locations of the first wave of rock-bombs. Thousands of idiots showed up to watch the impacts. The TV news idiots thought we'd been hit with nuclear weapons. Apparently they'd never heard what happens when meteors hit the earth. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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On 29/07/2014 8:23 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: I am thinking we should be more ecologically friendly in our munitions. Various sized gravel and stones at terminal velocity would be swift and have no lasting toxic effects. A day after the event, it is all good, twenty years on, no birth defects or cancer. On top of that, no bad PR from pix of naked girls running down the road after being napalmed. Even better, if the plane gets hit, nothing explodes prematurely, and the cost of munitions is dirt cheap clay One problem with that is that the enemy can gather them up and then throw them back at you. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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http://ottawa-rasc.ca/wiki/index.php?title=Odale-Articles-WestHawk On 30/07/2014 9:01 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: OK Don via Mercedes wrote: There is a reason why bombs are shaped the way they are with fins on the back end - they tend to land where you aimed them better than random shaped objects. It doesn't help much if your non-toxic bombs don't hit the target. Otherwise, I like your idea I'm reminded of when the lunar colony revolted in the novel The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. They didn't have interplanetary weapons, but they had big engineless freight ships, they had a magnetic catapult that could hurl them beyond the moon's gravity, and they had lots of rock to fill them with. They could simply aim them to land on earth instead of going into harmless orbits. They announced the time and the locations of the first wave of rock-bombs. Thousands of idiots showed up to watch the impacts. The TV news idiots thought we'd been hit with nuclear weapons. Apparently they'd never heard what happens when meteors hit the earth. Mitch. ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Your thought about fighting with rocks reminds me of the kinetic energy weapon that was supposedly developed during the cold war by Russia .. I think it was called Stalins Hammer [could be wrong on that] ... I've heard that USA also played with them.. but very little has been disclosed [always a sign that something really did happen with a government program]. The principle design feature is dropping a titanium [or depleted uranium or some magic dense material] pole from space with guidance fins. The device accelerates to an entry contact speed of something on the order of 60,000 MPH and imparts impact energy on the 5 mega ton range, with no fallout, but maximum penetration. The other major design element of this device is there is zero launch signature, such as you have with an ICBM. Time to Deliver impact anywhere in the world from launch is published as 4 minutes. Improved death through improved technology... as always.. http://www.armaghplanet.com/blog/rods-from-god-a-terrifying-space-weapon.html On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 7:01 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: OK Don via Mercedes wrote: There is a reason why bombs are shaped the way they are with fins on the back end - they tend to land where you aimed them better than random shaped objects. It doesn't help much if your non-toxic bombs don't hit the target. Otherwise, I like your idea I'm reminded of when the lunar colony revolted in the novel The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. They didn't have interplanetary weapons, but they had big engineless freight ships, they had a magnetic catapult that could hurl them beyond the moon's gravity, and they had lots of rock to fill them with. They could simply aim them to land on earth instead of going into harmless orbits. They announced the time and the locations of the first wave of rock-bombs. Thousands of idiots showed up to watch the impacts. The TV news idiots thought we'd been hit with nuclear weapons. Apparently they'd never heard what happens when meteors hit the earth. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Also known as the clean or neutron bomb IIRC. On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 1:43 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Your thought about fighting with rocks reminds me of the kinetic energy weapon that was supposedly developed during the cold war by Russia .. I think it was called Stalins Hammer [could be wrong on that] ... I've heard that USA also played with them.. but very little has been disclosed [always a sign that something really did happen with a government program]. The principle design feature is dropping a titanium [or depleted uranium or some magic dense material] pole from space with guidance fins. The device accelerates to an entry contact speed of something on the order of 60,000 MPH and imparts impact energy on the 5 mega ton range, with no fallout, but maximum penetration. The other major design element of this device is there is zero launch signature, such as you have with an ICBM. Time to Deliver impact anywhere in the world from launch is published as 4 minutes. Improved death through improved technology... as always.. http://www.armaghplanet.com/blog/rods-from-god-a-terrifying-space-weapon.html On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 7:01 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: OK Don via Mercedes wrote: There is a reason why bombs are shaped the way they are with fins on the back end - they tend to land where you aimed them better than random shaped objects. It doesn't help much if your non-toxic bombs don't hit the target. Otherwise, I like your idea I'm reminded of when the lunar colony revolted in the novel The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. They didn't have interplanetary weapons, but they had big engineless freight ships, they had a magnetic catapult that could hurl them beyond the moon's gravity, and they had lots of rock to fill them with. They could simply aim them to land on earth instead of going into harmless orbits. They announced the time and the locations of the first wave of rock-bombs. Thousands of idiots showed up to watch the impacts. The TV news idiots thought we'd been hit with nuclear weapons. Apparently they'd never heard what happens when meteors hit the earth. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 14:32:47 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Also known as the clean or neutron bomb IIRC. No, that's something entirely different. Craig On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 1:43 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Your thought about fighting with rocks reminds me of the kinetic energy weapon that was supposedly developed during the cold war by Russia .. I think it was called Stalins Hammer [could be wrong on that] ... I've heard that USA also played with them.. but very little has been disclosed [always a sign that something really did happen with a government program]. The principle design feature is dropping a titanium [or depleted uranium or some magic dense material] pole from space with guidance fins. The device accelerates to an entry contact speed of something on the order of 60,000 MPH and imparts impact energy on the 5 mega ton range, with no fallout, but maximum penetration. The other major design element of this device is there is zero launch signature, such as you have with an ICBM. Time to Deliver impact anywhere in the world from launch is published as 4 minutes. Improved death through improved technology... as always.. http://www.armaghplanet.com/blog/rods-from-god-a-terrifying-space-weapon.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Grant wrote: ...kinetic energy weapon... The new class of Navy carrier has kinetic energy weaponry. Someone here put the link up a month back. The carrier is solar powered and other fascinating stuff. Someone that knows military junque - please correct me. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I am thinking we should be more ecologically friendly in our munitions. Various sized gravel and stones at terminal velocity would be swift and have no lasting toxic effects. A day after the event, it is all good, twenty years on, no birth defects or cancer. On top of that, no bad PR from pix of naked girls running down the road after being napalmed. Even better, if the plane gets hit, nothing explodes prematurely, and the cost of munitions is dirt cheap clay On Jul 28, 2014, at 6:47 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Since these would have been conventional bombs at the time, which sort of accuracy could you expect from that altitude? ...or did it matter? Dan On Jul 28, 2014, at 9:43 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Yep. 'Looks familiar. 'Course, I never saw 'em from THAT perspective, and when I released conventional munitions (Vietnam), 108 at a time fell away toward the target usually 35,000 to 37,000 feet below. 'Released on Vinh, N. Vietnam from 49,500 feet one night during a typhoon in Nov '72. Wilt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Ballistics from orbit? Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 18:23:06 -0700 To: d...@penoff.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] This One's For Wilt From: mercedes@okiebenz.com I am thinking we should be more ecologically friendly in our munitions. Various sized gravel and stones at terminal velocity would be swift and have no lasting toxic effects. A day after the event, it is all good, twenty years on, no birth defects or cancer. On top of that, no bad PR from pix of naked girls running down the road after being napalmed. Even better, if the plane gets hit, nothing explodes prematurely, and the cost of munitions is dirt cheap clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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There is a reason why bombs are shaped the way they are with fins on the back end - they tend to land where you aimed them better than random shaped objects. It doesn't help much if your non-toxic bombs don't hit the target. Otherwise, I like your idea On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 8:23 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I am thinking we should be more ecologically friendly in our munitions. Various sized gravel and stones at terminal velocity would be swift and have no lasting toxic effects. A day after the event, it is all good, twenty years on, no birth defects or cancer. On top of that, no bad PR from pix of naked girls running down the road after being napalmed. Even better, if the plane gets hit, nothing explodes prematurely, and the cost of munitions is dirt cheap clay -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Speaking of dropping bombs -- The last surviving member of the US air crew that dropped an atomic bomb on Hiroshima has died in Georgia aged 93. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-28548475 OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 21:48:56 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: There is a reason why bombs are shaped the way they are with fins on the back end - they tend to land where you aimed them better than random shaped objects. It doesn't help much if your non-toxic bombs don't hit the target. Otherwise, I like your idea How about molded concrete? Maybe even with added on fins ... Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] This One's For Wilt
Bombs away! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c-vJ9gVJm0 Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Yep. 'Looks familiar. 'Course, I never saw 'em from THAT perspective, and when I released conventional munitions (Vietnam), 108 at a time fell away toward the target usually 35,000 to 37,000 feet below. 'Released on Vinh, N. Vietnam from 49,500 feet one night during a typhoon in Nov '72. Wilt - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 8:45 PM Subject: [MBZ] This One's For Wilt Bombs away! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c-vJ9gVJm0 Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Since these would have been conventional bombs at the time, which sort of accuracy could you expect from that altitude? ...or did it matter? Dan On Jul 28, 2014, at 9:43 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Yep. 'Looks familiar. 'Course, I never saw 'em from THAT perspective, and when I released conventional munitions (Vietnam), 108 at a time fell away toward the target usually 35,000 to 37,000 feet below. 'Released on Vinh, N. Vietnam from 49,500 feet one night during a typhoon in Nov '72. Wilt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Mostly Mark 82's - 500-pounders; occasionally, a mix of 500-pounders and 750-pounders. 200 to 1000 feet. 'Looks a bull's eye (a shack) was scored in that video. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] This One's For Wilt Since these would have been conventional bombs at the time, which sort of accuracy could you expect from that altitude? ...or did it matter? Dan On Jul 28, 2014, at 9:43 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Yep. 'Looks familiar. 'Course, I never saw 'em from THAT perspective, and when I released conventional munitions (Vietnam), 108 at a time fell away toward the target usually 35,000 to 37,000 feet below. 'Released on Vinh, N. Vietnam from 49,500 feet one night during a typhoon in Nov '72. Wilt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
