Re: [MBZ] Three Flavors of Hydrogen?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

To me, hydrogen only makes sense as energy storage, not as a
source. Think of it as a battery. You use intermittent power such as
solar or wind to make hydrogen gas that can be stored, transported, and
used when and where needed.

The problem is (as I understand it) that so far, splitting water
molecules is inefficient. The H-O-H chemical bonds are pretty stable;
they don't just fall apart. And then you need to compress and/or
supercool the hydrogen to store it or transport it, and that takes more
energy.

Allan


OK Don via Mercedes  writes:

> The extractable energy per mass of the fuel is too low, I'll stick to dead
> dinos, thank you just the same, until we get portable fusion reactors ...
>
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 4:17 PM Clay Monroe via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/hydrogen-energy-alberta-ontario-1.5828216
>> <
>> https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/hydrogen-energy-alberta-ontario-1.5828216
>> >
>>
>> I found this interesting.  The cost of hydrogen for fuel is excessive if
>> it really tries to have an impact on carbon emission.  The way it is
>> produced for the dirty H runs dimes to a dollar, the mid grade can be
>> processed for a buck or two.  The Green gas is in the $5 range.  That is
>> some real get woke go broke fuel.  Which would you be putting into your
>> Ballard fuel cell B class?
>>
>>
>> Clay
>>
>>
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> OK Don
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> Von Braun
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> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Three Flavors of Hydrogen?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

The extractable energy per mass of the fuel is too low, I'll stick to dead
dinos, thank you just the same, until we get portable fusion reactors ...

On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 4:17 PM Clay Monroe via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/hydrogen-energy-alberta-ontario-1.5828216
> <
> https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/hydrogen-energy-alberta-ontario-1.5828216
> >
>
> I found this interesting.  The cost of hydrogen for fuel is excessive if
> it really tries to have an impact on carbon emission.  The way it is
> produced for the dirty H runs dimes to a dollar, the mid grade can be
> processed for a buck or two.  The Green gas is in the $5 range.  That is
> some real get woke go broke fuel.  Which would you be putting into your
> Ballard fuel cell B class?
>
>
> Clay
>
>
> inter urinas et faeces nascimur
>
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OK Don

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pause and reflect." Mark Twain

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Von Braun
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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[MBZ] Three Flavors of Hydrogen?

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/hydrogen-energy-alberta-ontario-1.5828216
 


I found this interesting.  The cost of hydrogen for fuel is excessive if it 
really tries to have an impact on carbon emission.  The way it is produced for 
the dirty H runs dimes to a dollar, the mid grade can be processed for a buck 
or two.  The Green gas is in the $5 range.  That is some real get woke go broke 
fuel.  Which would you be putting into your Ballard fuel cell B class?


Clay


inter urinas et faeces nascimur

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