Re: [MBZ] Transmission Question

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

That depends on the vintage of the 123. My '79 required an easy adjustment.

Greg

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Yep. My experience as well in a 123diesel
On Jan 22, 2016 11:27 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> No it means the transmission is shot and needs to be rebuilt
>
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> > On Jan 22, 2016, at 10:08 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Does lack of reverse engagement in a W126 mean a failed B2 piston?  I
> couldn't recall if that was the symptom.
> >
> > Thanks,
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Re: [MBZ] Transmission Question

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The adjustment bolt is only on older transmissions

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> On Jan 22, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On January 22, 2016 at 12:02 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Yep. My experience as well in a 123diesel
> 
> Ideally, the time required to engage reverse is a function of transmission 
> wear.
> 
> But, I believe that one of the band adjusting bolts backing out can do it 
> too. 
> 
> 
> IIRC, B2 failure means you lose forward gears. 
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Re: [MBZ] Transmission Question

[clay via Mercedes]

Bushings are a few bucks and fairly quick and non-invasive.  Car probably would 
not suffer having fresh ones.  Then you can mess with the internals if that fix 
was not right

clay

On Jan 22, 2016, at 8:25 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

> I think it's a matter of putting the transmission selector in "R" but the car 
> not backing up. Good thing to check, though.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Dan
> 
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>> On Jan 22, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't know about that but have you checked the bushings?  They went bad on 
>> one of the SDs and it was almost impossible to get it in gear forward or 
>> reverse.
>> 
>> --R
>> 
>>> On 1/22/16 11:08 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Does lack of reverse engagement in a W126 mean a failed B2 piston?  I 
>>> couldn't recall if that was the symptom.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Transmission Question

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

There are two sets of bushings.  Large (like 1/2 inch dia) sleeves on the
transverse (trunnion) axis of the shifter (for the fore-aft motion of the
stick) and smaller snap-in bushings on the bottom of the shifter assembly
(under the car) and on the transmission shift lever.  The round rod that
connects the shifter and transmission pokes through these small bushings and
is retained by a spring clip.  You can replace the small ones working under
the car but it can be a pig to snap the new bushings into the holes (shifter
and transmission) without the special tool or a home-made jig (washers, a
nut and bolt, and a sleeve), especially if it's cold outside.  The snap
clips (that retain the rod in the bushing) is very easy to lose (sproiing,
oh crap!).  If you plan to do the big bushings it's easier to remove the
shifter (which you need to do anyway) and work through the hole from above.
My old 79 TD shifter was very loose when I first got it but it felt like
brand new after I replaced both sets of bushings.  The big bushings in my 82
SD still seem OK but (several years back) I heard a "buzz" from under the
car which turned out to be a failed (missing) small bushing.  As I recall, I
lost the spring clip and also had to remove the transmission lever from the
car to pop in the new small bushing.  In both cases the cars still shifted
OK with damaged bushings but I can see how there would be a problem if the
linkage adjustment was marginal.
Scott

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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Transmission Question
> 
> Bushings are a few bucks and fairly quick and non-invasive.  Car probably
> would not suffer having fresh ones.  Then you can mess with the internals
if
> that fix was not right
> 
> clay
> 
> On Jan 22, 2016, at 8:25 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> 
> > I think it's a matter of putting the transmission selector in "R" but
the car
> not backing up. Good thing to check, though.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On Jan 22, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I don't know about that but have you checked the bushings?  They went
> bad on one of the SDs and it was almost impossible to get it in gear
forward
> or reverse.
> >>
> >> --R
> >>
> >>> On 1/22/16 11:08 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> Does lack of reverse engagement in a W126 mean a failed B2 piston?  I
> couldn't recall if that was the symptom.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Transmission Question

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

I don't know about that but have you checked the bushings?  They went 
bad on one of the SDs and it was almost impossible to get it in gear 
forward or reverse.


--R

On 1/22/16 11:08 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Does lack of reverse engagement in a W126 mean a failed B2 piston?  I couldn't 
recall if that was the symptom.

Thanks,

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Transmission Question

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Yep. My experience as well in a 123diesel
On Jan 22, 2016 11:27 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> No it means the transmission is shot and needs to be rebuilt
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 22, 2016, at 10:08 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Does lack of reverse engagement in a W126 mean a failed B2 piston?  I
> couldn't recall if that was the symptom.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Transmission Question

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I think it's a matter of putting the transmission selector in "R" but the car 
not backing up. Good thing to check, though.

Thanks!

Dan

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> On Jan 22, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't know about that but have you checked the bushings?  They went bad on 
> one of the SDs and it was almost impossible to get it in gear forward or 
> reverse.
> 
> --R
> 
>> On 1/22/16 11:08 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Does lack of reverse engagement in a W126 mean a failed B2 piston?  I 
>> couldn't recall if that was the symptom.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Transmission Question

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

No it means the transmission is shot and needs to be rebuilt

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> On Jan 22, 2016, at 10:08 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Does lack of reverse engagement in a W126 mean a failed B2 piston?  I 
> couldn't recall if that was the symptom.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dan
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[MBZ] Transmission Question

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Does lack of reverse engagement in a W126 mean a failed B2 piston?  I couldn't 
recall if that was the symptom.

Thanks,

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] transmission question, 1981 300SD

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

I'll second the vote for M1 ATF.  The transmission in my '87 300TD just
seems to get better and better, I'm on the second change of M1 ATF in
that car.  I still think the torque converter is bad but haven't been
able to find documented stall speed yet - don't think the M1 is going to
fix that for me.

Very respectfully,
/s/
Max Dillon
'87 300TD 328k miles
'95 E300 275k miles (project)
'73 Balboa 20
Charleston SC




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Subject: [MBZ] transmission question, 1981 300SD

While back, I bought a 300SD at an auction. The car needs a minimum
maintenance. 
When I first took it to the tire/alignment shop, the owner of the shop
mentioned to me that the transmission was slipping in 1st gear. hummn! 

I am trying to make sense of this before I get into it. The transmission
oil looks clean from the dipstick but before replacing fluid, filter,
etc., is there something else I should aware of?  Thank you.

--PT, 300D 1981



  
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[MBZ] transmission question, 1981 300SD

[P. Prud'homme]

While back, I bought a 300SD at an auction. The car needs a minimum 
maintenance. 
When I first took it to the tire/alignment shop, the owner of the shop 
mentioned 
to me that the transmission was slipping in 1st gear. hummn! 

I am trying to make sense of this before I get into it. The transmission oil 
looks clean from the dipstick but before replacing fluid, filter, etc., is 
there 
something else I should aware of?  Thank you.

--PT, 300D 1981



  
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Re: [MBZ] transmission question, 1981 300SD

[Mitch Haley]

P. Prud'homme wrote:
While back, I bought a 300SD at an auction. The car needs a minimum maintenance. 
When I first took it to the tire/alignment shop, the owner of the shop mentioned 
to me that the transmission was slipping in 1st gear. hummn! 


But you don't notice it? And this was a tire store, not a Mercedes specialist?

If you apply brake and throttle for a few seconds with the selector in L (like 
3-5 seconds, not a long time) where does the tachometer stabilize?


Sorting out the transmission controls can be quite a task, especially if 
somebody has buggered it up already.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] transmission question, 1981 300SD

[Allan Streib]

P. Prud'homme pa...@yahoo.com writes:

 While back, I bought a 300SD at an auction. The car needs a minimum
 maintenance.  When I first took it to the tire/alignment shop, the
 owner of the shop mentioned to me that the transmission was slipping
 in 1st gear. hummn!

 I am trying to make sense of this before I get into it. The
 transmission oil looks clean from the dipstick but before replacing
 fluid, filter, etc., is there something else I should aware of?  Thank
 you.

I would first try a change of fluid and filter, using Mobil 1 ATF.  I
have been very pleased with this fluid in my car.

I believe your car would be one of those with a transmission prone to a
failure of the B2 piston.  Symptoms are slipping out of or not engaging
1st gear, flaring shift into 2nd, but 3rd and 4th work normally.

Typically the failure occurs without warning but in my 300D it seemed
that there was some flaring for a few months before the piston
completely failed.  Luckily the repair is not complicated, though many a
shop will probably tell the owner they need a new transmission if they
are not familiar with this problem.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D

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[MBZ] Transmission question

[Wonko the Sane]

The tranny slippage on my 240D (automatic) in reverse seems to be getting
worse and worse.

I still can't find that adjustment bolt that sometimes backs out -- maybe
Kaleb can point it out next time he is in Iowa.

But I checked the fluid level, thinking maybe it was low, when we got back
from a 30 miles drive. The fluid level is about an inch above the maximum
mark. This is probably because the last guy who checked it didn't know to go
an inch below minimum if the fluid wasn't up to temperature. I think this
happened with I had the transmission flushed a couple of years ago.

Would having too much fluid in the system have anything to do with slipping
going backwards?  (Probably not but worth asking.)

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Re: [MBZ] Transmission question

[OK Don]

I thought the issue with an over-full tranny was that the fuid gets
whipped up into a froth - then can't lubricate parts, resulting in a
tranny that grinds its self to bits. Maybe it starts with reverse?


 Would having too much fluid in the system have anything to do with slipping
 going backwards?  (Probably not but worth asking.)



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Re: [MBZ] Transmission Question

[Chris Lane]

So this would lead me to wonder if I could also get almost any transmission
from a w126 to work in my 82 300SD as well?  I'm sure that the auto in a
w123 300D will.  Of course what I would like is to replace the
atomatic with a 5 speed manual.  Are there any that would work, that I could
find, and could afford, and be able to just essentially bolt in?  I realize
there are issues as far as pedal setups, and the actual linkage.

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Yes, it will.  There are very slight differences in the valve body, but
it will work just fine.

Roger Conlon wrote:

 Hello:

 Well a transmission from a 89 420SEL be a bolt in replacement for
 a trans in a 88 560SEL.

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[MBZ] Transmission Question

[Roger Conlon]

Hello:

Well a transmission from a 89 420SEL be a bolt in replacement for
a trans in a 88 560SEL.

RC

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Re: [MBZ] Transmission Question

[Jim Cathey]

Will a transmission from a 89 420SEL be a bolt in replacement for
a trans in a 88 560SEL.


My GUESS would be yes.  But there's probably somebody here
who actually knows.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Transmission Question

[Trampas]

Yes, the vacuum modulator may be different. 

Trampas

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Hello:

Well a transmission from a 89 420SEL be a bolt in replacement for
a trans in a 88 560SEL.

RC

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Re: [MBZ] Transmission Question

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Yes, it will.  There are very slight differences in the valve body, but 
it will work just fine.


Roger Conlon wrote:


Hello:

Well a transmission from a 89 420SEL be a bolt in replacement for
a trans in a 88 560SEL.

RC

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