Re: [MBZ] W107 resale values are in the tank
Not just common but uninspiring, IMHO. On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 10:06 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I agree - it was built from late '72 to '90 (IIRC) - WAY too common. I've been surprised that the prices have stayed as high as they have for so long. On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I have a hard time believing that a pristine late W107 will ever be worth anywhere near this amount. [$45k] Probably never, as about 250,000 107's were made. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W107 resale values are in the tank
Don - Does sound a bit excessive but you may be surprised what they will bring in the right market. There is a fellow in Wilmington, CA who's business is buying at auction and parting out 107s. If he gets one that is really clean or maybe one that is not too badly damaged he will fix it up and then send them to buyers in Europe or sometimes send just hard to find parts. They are evidently very sought after over there and hard to find there. My son has a friend from Germany, who is a pharmacist over there, that comes here to CA occasionally to visit family. While here he will find good clean rust free Mercedes cars of all years and chassis types to send back to Germany, Russia, etc., maybe 2 or 3 per year. Barry I have a hard time believing that a pristine late W107 will ever be worth anywhere near this amount. [$45k] Probably never, as about 250,000 107's were made. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W107 resale values are in the tank
I agree, even though I own one. I have always felt that the 107 looks totally uninteresting compared to the 113 it replaced. Having said that, for some reason the SLC has always fascinated me. The extra few inches in length seem to make the design work much better. And having the Euro bumpers makes a BIG difference. When I bought my 450SLC, I was surprised to discover that it is SO comfortable and very fun to drive. It's like driving a supercharged 114! I think I'd be less pleased with a later 560SL, which had firmer shocks and front end bits poached from the 124. D. Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Not just common but uninspiring, IMHO. On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 10:06 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I agree - it was built from late '72 to '90 (IIRC) - WAY too common. I've been surprised that the prices have stayed as high as they have for so long. On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I have a hard time believing that a pristine late W107 will ever be worth anywhere near this amount. [$45k] Probably never, as about 250,000 107's were made. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W107 resale values are in the tank
Really? I thought it was the same with the exception of the engines, tranny, and ACC through the production span. (Oh, yes - and the reinforced front sub-frame). I did enjoy the drive - handling of the SLC. Just not the fuel gulping and dead rubber bits under the dash, leaking sunroof, torn up seats --- great car otherwise. On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 11:32 AM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: I think I'd be less pleased with a later 560SL, which had firmer shocks and front end bits poached from the 124. D. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W107 resale values are in the tank
I too have never heard of 107's with 124 front end parts. They all were basically 115 front ends. On 10/24/2010 2:10 PM, OK Don wrote: Really? I thought it was the same with the exception of the engines, tranny, and ACC through the production span. (Oh, yes - and the reinforced front sub-frame). I did enjoy the drive - handling of the SLC. Just not the fuel gulping and dead rubber bits under the dash, leaking sunroof, torn up seats --- great car otherwise. On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 11:32 AM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: I think I'd be less pleased with a later 560SL, which had firmer shocks and front end bits poached from the 124. D. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W107 resale values are in the tank
Now, if you could put a 124 rear end under it -- that might be a NICE handling car! On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: I too have never heard of 107's with 124 front end parts. They all were basically 115 front ends. On 10/24/2010 2:10 PM, OK Don wrote: Really? I thought it was the same with the exception of the engines, tranny, and ACC through the production span. (Oh, yes - and the reinforced front sub-frame). I did enjoy the drive - handling of the SLC. Just not the fuel gulping and dead rubber bits under the dash, leaking sunroof, torn up seats --- great car otherwise. On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 11:32 AM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: I think I'd be less pleased with a later 560SL, which had firmer shocks and front end bits poached from the 124. D. OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W107 resale values are in the tank
According to MB, the following are among the items that were changed for the 560SL (only version 107.048): Different spring rate Harder shocks with shorter travel Larger torsion bar (up 1mm to 26mm) Front axle carrier (backwards compatible to previous 107/114/115) Front lower ctrl arm (extended to change geometry; 124 balljoint) Front upper ctrl arm (change of materials; replaceable balljoint) Steering knuckle/arm (from 124) Front hub (from 124/201) Brake discs (from 124/201) Steering (less travel, different pump) Prop shaft carrier (124; changed shape of tunnel to accommodate) Rear diff carrier (to get rid of the SL rear diff whine; better isolation, different mounts, and subframe mts left/right are different) Axle shafts (from SEC, but no vibration dampers) Fuel tank mount (because of the changed diff suspension) A-pillars (they don't say what changed) B-pillars (126 locks and strikers required redesign) Doors (126 door handles) Main floor (changed stiffening) Rear floor (?) Hood (cutout for larger brake booster) Firewall (presumably for the booster) Seats (more side bolstering) And of course, the front skirt was changed and they added the little spoiler. All of this from the R107 CD. There's a 560SL supplement. From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W107 resale values are in the tank I too have never heard of 107's with 124 front end parts. They all were basically 115 front ends. On 10/24/2010 2:10 PM, OK Don wrote: Really? I thought it was the same with the exception of the engines, tranny, and ACC through the production span. (Oh, yes - and the reinforced front sub-frame). I did enjoy the drive - handling of the SLC. Just not the fuel gulping and dead rubber bits under the dash, leaking sunroof, torn up seats --- great car otherwise. On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 11:32 AM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: I think I'd be less pleased with a later 560SL, which had firmer shocks and front end bits poached from the 124. D. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W107 resale values are in the tank
Wow - that's a lot more than I realized! On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 3:13 PM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: According to MB, the following are among the items that were changed for the 560SL (only version 107.048): Different spring rate Harder shocks with shorter travel Larger torsion bar (up 1mm to 26mm) Front axle carrier (backwards compatible to previous 107/114/115) Front lower ctrl arm (extended to change geometry; 124 balljoint) Front upper ctrl arm (change of materials; replaceable balljoint) Steering knuckle/arm (from 124) Front hub (from 124/201) Brake discs (from 124/201) Steering (less travel, different pump) Prop shaft carrier (124; changed shape of tunnel to accommodate) Rear diff carrier (to get rid of the SL rear diff whine; better isolation, different mounts, and subframe mts left/right are different) Axle shafts (from SEC, but no vibration dampers) Fuel tank mount (because of the changed diff suspension) A-pillars (they don't say what changed) B-pillars (126 locks and strikers required redesign) Doors (126 door handles) Main floor (changed stiffening) Rear floor (?) Hood (cutout for larger brake booster) Firewall (presumably for the booster) Seats (more side bolstering) And of course, the front skirt was changed and they added the little spoiler. All of this from the R107 CD. There's a 560SL supplement. From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W107 resale values are in the tank I too have never heard of 107's with 124 front end parts. They all were basically 115 front ends. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W107 resale values are in the tank
Dave, thanks for posting that. I had a 85 SL and an 86 and I always felt there was a big difference in interior comfort, handling and ride. Your post confirmed that. John On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 1:13 PM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: According to MB, the following are among the items that were changed for the 560SL (only version 107.048): Different spring rate Harder shocks with shorter travel Larger torsion bar (up 1mm to 26mm) Front axle carrier (backwards compatible to previous 107/114/115) Front lower ctrl arm (extended to change geometry; 124 balljoint) Front upper ctrl arm (change of materials; replaceable balljoint) Steering knuckle/arm (from 124) Front hub (from 124/201) Brake discs (from 124/201) Steering (less travel, different pump) Prop shaft carrier (124; changed shape of tunnel to accommodate) Rear diff carrier (to get rid of the SL rear diff whine; better isolation, different mounts, and subframe mts left/right are different) Axle shafts (from SEC, but no vibration dampers) Fuel tank mount (because of the changed diff suspension) A-pillars (they don't say what changed) B-pillars (126 locks and strikers required redesign) Doors (126 door handles) Main floor (changed stiffening) Rear floor (?) Hood (cutout for larger brake booster) Firewall (presumably for the booster) Seats (more side bolstering) And of course, the front skirt was changed and they added the little spoiler. All of this from the R107 CD. There's a 560SL supplement. From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W107 resale values are in the tank I too have never heard of 107's with 124 front end parts. They all were basically 115 front ends. On 10/24/2010 2:10 PM, OK Don wrote: Really? I thought it was the same with the exception of the engines, tranny, and ACC through the production span. (Oh, yes - and the reinforced front sub-frame). I did enjoy the drive - handling of the SLC. Just not the fuel gulping and dead rubber bits under the dash, leaking sunroof, torn up seats --- great car otherwise. On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 11:32 AM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: I think I'd be less pleased with a later 560SL, which had firmer shocks and front end bits poached from the 124. D. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W107 resale values are in the tank
I was watching a Mecum Auto Auction (I think it was from 2009) in which a rust-free 1987 560SL went on the block. The mileage wasn't specified, but to all appearances there were no issues either cosmetically or mechanically. It was white with a blue leather interior. The hammer came down at $7800!! In contrast, a variety of US muscle cars from the 80s, including Firebirds and Corvettes, sold for considerably more. This confirms my opinion that the design of the W107 lacks aesthetic appeal. In contrast, a restored white/red W113 280SL is being offered locally at $45K. I have a hard time believing that a pristine late W107 will ever be worth anywhere near this amount. So here is the diesel content: By what year will a W123 300TD be worth MORE than a 1987 or later W107 560SL? Or will this ever happen? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W107 resale values are in the tank
I have a hard time believing that a pristine late W107 will ever be worth anywhere near this amount. [$45k] Probably never, as about 250,000 107's were made. So here is the diesel content: By what year will a W123 300TD be worth MORE than a 1987 or later W107 560SL? Or will this ever happen? Well, whenever 25mpg is sufficiently more interesting than 15mpg, enough so as to counter its convertible-ness. We may be down in the triple digits, though! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W107 resale values are in the tank
I agree - it was built from late '72 to '90 (IIRC) - WAY too common. I've been surprised that the prices have stayed as high as they have for so long. On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I have a hard time believing that a pristine late W107 will ever be worth anywhere near this amount. [$45k] Probably never, as about 250,000 107's were made. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
