Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
I thought they had Behr units under the dash. Peter Frederick wrote: They may have been factory, but the label on the under dash unit says ThermoKing which is a US aftermarket brand. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
Early 114/115 were dealer installed. the 76 300D i parted out had factory A/C. Even the wiring harness was different than nonA/C models. It was a transition model, as the factory slowly realized to keep the NA market, they had to have real A/C in a luxury car. I don't know which models have factory A/C which years. Sorry boys, I've talked to the guy who used to run the local Benz dealer in those days. Dealer installed. Remember, we are talking about the 60's here. Might have started putting them in at the factory in the mid 70s, but probably only the W123. AC was a dealer installed option,and here are some cars out there without it. Peter -Original Message- From: Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net Sent: Aug 5, 2010 10:54 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 22:16:24 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: the AC on those was not aftermarket. It was perhaps an afterthought since orignal design, but they came from the factory with AC, at least on the later 114/115 Yes, what he said. No way would a dealer go to all the trouble to install the A/C in a '72 220D/8 like ours and have it look entirely like it really belonged there. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
I asked Chip whos dad sold these things new and he said they were factory. Somebody else said the 108's were factory as well, but I dont know. Dieselhead wrote: Early 114/115 were dealer installed. the 76 300D i parted out had factory A/C. Even the wiring harness was different than nonA/C models. It was a transition model, as the factory slowly realized to keep the NA market, they had to have real A/C in a luxury car. I don't know which models have factory A/C which years. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
They may have been factory, but the label on the under dash unit says ThermoKing which is a US aftermarket brand. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
On Mon, 9 Aug 2010 22:45:42 -0500 Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: They may have been factory, but the label on the under dash unit says ThermoKing which is a US aftermarket brand. Ah, yes, the under-dash units. I've seen pictures of those in earlier cars. My '72 220D/8, a W115, however, had no under-dash unit; it was ALL built in, and very nicely, thank you. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
Craig McCluskey wrote: Yes, what he said. No way would a dealer go to all the trouble to install the A/C in a '72 220D/8 like ours and have it look entirely like it really belonged there. A few years ago, the Special Value Chevy Aveo was a $1 car with no factory options (which sold for as little as $6k in the late summer of 2005). There was a factory A/C accessory parts kit for those who wanted A/C but didn't want to pay for the Aveo LS. I believe it was equivalent to installing the factory A/C from a parts car into a car that never had A/C. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
Sure the seats aren't out of a Camry or Volvo or something? Remind me of my V70. I've got a legit 115 rear seat. And two fronts, but Kaleb has called the seat bottoms already, if he'll tell me where to send them. And carpets and the rest of the interior, for a short time... so if someone buys this and wants pieces let me know quick. I have this same compressor on both the 115 240D and the '77 123 300D. Long lived is good, but I'll probably pull it from the 240D for spare now that I've noticed it is the same. Anything special to do when storing compressors? -Tim On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: So it looks like he has some sort of 124 seats in the front and 140 seats crammed in the back. Wow. Alex Chamberlain wrote: http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1874125467.html In the 5th picture down, is that a normal climate control setup for this vintage of 300D? What's with the knobs near the stereo and the sliders above in two separate groups---is that the factory A/C setup with separate blowers? I am not particularly familiar with /8s, but I thought they came with either the Evil Chrysler ACC, or vertical-slider manual controls like a W123 240D. I love the jack-o'-lantern orange on this one---too bad the seats appear to have been changed out from a saddle interior to parchment. If it were a stick 240D rather than an automatic, though, I'd be all over it. Wonder if everything works includes the heater blower? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
How does the York in the early 123 compare? I like the look of the compressor up right where you can get at it... -Curt Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 21:59:24 -0500 From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls Message-ID: 13856bcf-fab7-4964-bdd8-8f7e9e02a...@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed The W108 system was a ThermoKing that used an R type compressor from GM, blower was in the passenger side kick panel. Universally referrred to as inadequate, mainly because it has very poor air circulation. The evaporator is fine, and should freeze you out, but the air flow is best described as anemic. The W115/114 system uses a York compressor and a dual squirrel cage fan behind the evaporator. When properly charged, they will freeze you, even at idle. Almost stalls a 220D though. I converted mine and it worked pretty well for the few months the car ran after I charged it. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 23:09:12 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: Sorry boys, I've talked to the guy who used to run the local Benz dealer in those days. Dealer installed. Remember, we are talking about the 60's here. I'm talking 1972. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
I know I've seen mid 60's 200 Series On Aug 6, 2010 10:15 AM, Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 23:09:12 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: Sorry... I'm talking 1972. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go t... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
Im sure the 60's cars had dealer installed air, Im talking about the later run 115's, those were factory (mid 70's). It appears to me that the chassis was probably not originally designed with ac in mind but all my info points to factory installed air on those. Peter Frederick wrote: Sorry boys, I've talked to the guy who used to run the local Benz dealer in those days. Dealer installed. Remember, we are talking about the 60's here. Might have started putting them in at the factory in the mid 70s, but probably only the W123. AC was a dealer installed option,and here are some cars out there without it. Peter -Original Message- From: Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net Sent: Aug 5, 2010 10:54 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 22:16:24 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: the AC on those was not aftermarket. It was perhaps an afterthought since orignal design, but they came from the factory with AC, at least on the later 114/115 Yes, what he said. No way would a dealer go to all the trouble to install the A/C in a '72 220D/8 like ours and have it look entirely like it really belonged there. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3053 - Release Date: 08/05/10 13:23:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
Even now there are aveos available with no ac, no cruise, no nothing. Mitch Haley wrote: Craig McCluskey wrote: Yes, what he said. No way would a dealer go to all the trouble to install the A/C in a '72 220D/8 like ours and have it look entirely like it really belonged there. A few years ago, the Special Value Chevy Aveo was a $1 car with no factory options (which sold for as little as $6k in the late summer of 2005). There was a factory A/C accessory parts kit for those who wanted A/C but didn't want to pay for the Aveo LS. I believe it was equivalent to installing the factory A/C from a parts car into a car that never had A/C. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3053 - Release Date: 08/05/10 13:23:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
I believe my 76 300D AC is factory. As Kaleb said, the whole thing is sort of an add-on to the systems in the car but it does not look like they had to patch it in somehow. I believe it has always been there. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:17 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls Im sure the 60's cars had dealer installed air, Im talking about the later run 115's, those were factory (mid 70's). It appears to me that the chassis was probably not originally designed with ac in mind but all my info points to factory installed air on those. Peter Frederick wrote: Sorry boys, I've talked to the guy who used to run the local Benz dealer in those days. Dealer installed. Remember, we are talking about the 60's here. Might have started putting them in at the factory in the mid 70s, but probably only the W123. AC was a dealer installed option,and here are some cars out there without it. Peter -Original Message- From: Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net Sent: Aug 5, 2010 10:54 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 22:16:24 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: the AC on those was not aftermarket. It was perhaps an afterthought since orignal design, but they came from the factory with AC, at least on the later 114/115 Yes, what he said. No way would a dealer go to all the trouble to install the A/C in a '72 220D/8 like ours and have it look entirely like it really belonged there. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3053 - Release Date: 08/05/10 13:23:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Even now there are aveos available with no ac, no cruise, no nothing. But are there still trim packages that don't have the option of A/C? And do they sell a dealer installable A/C kit for those trim levels? I had no idea what the present situation is, I just thought it kind of odd the way they were doing it in 2005. At least the SV package in the Cavalier and Sunfire included CD player and A/C in 2005. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
Every 115 I have seen has the same deal, identical. If it was dealer installed, I would think you could tell, and it would be just a little different on each one. Besides, the whole system is right there in the EPC. R A Bennell wrote: I believe my 76 300D AC is factory. As Kaleb said, the whole thing is sort of an add-on to the systems in the car but it does not look like they had to patch it in somehow. I believe it has always been there. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:17 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls Im sure the 60's cars had dealer installed air, Im talking about the later run 115's, those were factory (mid 70's). It appears to me that the chassis was probably not originally designed with ac in mind but all my info points to factory installed air on those. Peter Frederick wrote: Sorry boys, I've talked to the guy who used to run the local Benz dealer in those days. Dealer installed. Remember, we are talking about the 60's here. Might have started putting them in at the factory in the mid 70s, but probably only the W123. AC was a dealer installed option,and here are some cars out there without it. Peter -Original Message- From: Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net Sent: Aug 5, 2010 10:54 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 22:16:24 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: the AC on those was not aftermarket. It was perhaps an afterthought since orignal design, but they came from the factory with AC, at least on the later 114/115 Yes, what he said. No way would a dealer go to all the trouble to install the A/C in a '72 220D/8 like ours and have it look entirely like it really belonged there. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3053 - Release Date: 08/05/10 13:23:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3054 - Release Date: 08/06/10 02:37:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
yea, I have dealers we service right now that have those cars with no AC at all in them. In fact, there is even a cobalt that does not have AC. I do not know about the add on kit but it would not surprise me. Mitch Haley wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Even now there are aveos available with no ac, no cruise, no nothing. But are there still trim packages that don't have the option of A/C? And do they sell a dealer installable A/C kit for those trim levels? I had no idea what the present situation is, I just thought it kind of odd the way they were doing it in 2005. At least the SV package in the Cavalier and Sunfire included CD player and A/C in 2005. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3054 - Release Date: 08/06/10 02:37:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
W115/114 /8 was introduced in 1968, and the AC was indeed installed at the dealer. Lots of stories about saving time by bending back (and breaking) the sides of the console to shove the bits in without pulling it as they were supposed to, leading to failures later. All MBs were station built up the to W123, not on an assembly line, so dealer installation isn't really that bit a deal -- it just moved the work to the dealer's shop, where it was cheaper. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
On Fri, 06 Aug 2010 14:37:37 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Besides, the whole system is right there in the EPC. The clincher. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
The presence of the parts in the manual does not preclude it being a dealer installed option, it just means it's official Benz. All the AC stuff was made in the US, after all, why ship it to Germany and back again? They all look the same because they are official Benz parts, installed by official dealers using Benz instructions, just like all their cars look pretty much the same, assembled from official parts by Benz workers. Why on earth would they look different? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls- seats
The reason that I speculated that the seats had been re-done rather than come out of another car is that the rear seat matches and appears to fit. I sort of doubted that any other later seat would fit the rear as well as the original did. Anyone know if seats out of a 123 etc will fit into a 115? Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of toms cat1 Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 9:17 PM To: mercedes diesel Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls That is the exact A/C system that I have in my 1975 W115 300D, both the interior and under the hood. Yes, that is the compressor that you see in the lower left of the pic you mentioned. I can't remember the brand for sure, but I think it is a York. I have a spare from my recycled 1976 300D. RIP. Peter Frederick was spot on (as he usually is, btw) with his description of the A/C and heater set up on the W115... to call that climate control is... a stretch, implying a level of sophistication that is simply non-existent in the W115. :) I have never used the A/C on my car (that is what that monster sunroof is for, if you ask me) . it has never worked. Those red and blue control levers are standard, and the dial on the lower console with the green is the A/C control. Thereis also a fresh air vent lever, as Peter mentioned, in the middle of the upper unit. Those seats have been changed they are not original in any W115 I have seen. As you probably know, all the W115 300D s were automatic transmissions. Tom Schuch SE Connecticut 1975 W115 300D and all the BMWs Message: 3 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 14:04:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls Message-ID: 604107.10628...@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Are those even 115 seats? -Curt Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 10:26:08 -0700 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls Message-ID: ??? aanlkti=fjc-m1akb-9-pp9bg1=9+rgb1hrk9vzukz...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1874125467.html In the 5th picture down, is that a normal climate control setup for this vintage of 300D?? What's with the knobs near the stereo and the sliders above in two separate groups---is that the factory A/C setup with separate blowers?? I am not particularly familiar with /8s, but I thought they came with either the Evil Chrysler ACC, or vertical-slider manual controls like a W123 240D. I love the jack-o'-lantern orange on this one---too bad the seats appear to have been changed out from a saddle interior to parchment. If it were a stick 240D rather than an automatic, though, I'd be all over it.? Wonder if everything works includes the heater blower? Alex -- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 14:07:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls Message-ID: 865635.29853...@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I think thats a York, it looks just like the one in Dwight's '78 240D. I'm thinking if I buy the car I'll have to get it working if for no other reason than to see how much it shakes the car... -Curt Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:30:12 -0700 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls Message-ID: ??? aanlktikp_skgsq51xkj-zgfzgg8k37e3upm+2f6um...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: No ACC in any w114/115 chassis, only manual (aftermarket) AC. By aftermarket you mean fitted by the dealer, right?? Are these the Behr units that are often mentioned or are there some /8s out there with other kinds of A/C? ???if AC is fitted, there is a rotary switch on the console that switches the air from from heat to recirculate only AC via the dash vents, and switches from the heater fan to the AC fan. Aha.? So you can tell by the presence of that switch that A/C is fitted?? Obviously the best check would be to look for a compressor and so on under the hood, but I'm thinking about how to tell from sellers' pictures if there isn't a good one of the engine.? In the CL ad I originally posted, however, methinks in the pic of the engine I see a compressor at the bottom left---at least it has two thick lines coming off and one has a service port on it.? Is that one of the famously long-lived York compressors? http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1874125467.html Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
I've had both - an aftermarket AC was installed in the 1970 220D I had, complete with a non-MB center console, and the two 1976 300Ds had factory AC. On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.netwrote: On Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:34:43 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: No ACC in any w114/115 chassis, only manual (aftermarket) AC. No! That is wrong! The A/C came from the factory! -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls- seats
They do not, the W123 is slightly wider. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
The factory AC in in fact aftermarket -- it was dealer installed, comprised of US made parts. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls- seats
At first I was just thinking much newer MB but now I'm starting to think the seats are from some other car. The wedge shape of the arm rests is whats got me wondering. Thats definitely not a 123 arm rest in the front or the rear... The seatbelt latches look wrong too. -Curt Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 11:30:17 -0500 From: R A Bennell b...@mts.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls- seats Message-ID: nhbblomcoljnegblbjcpaejiohaa@mts.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 The reason that I speculated that the seats had been re-done rather than come out of another car is that the rear seat matches and appears to fit. I sort of doubted that any other later seat would fit the rear as well as the original did. Anyone know if seats out of a 123 etc will fit into a 115? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
The two examples that i had were radically different (from the cabin point of view), but then they were separated by 6 years also. On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: The factory AC in in fact aftermarket -- it was dealer installed, comprised of US made parts. Peter -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
The W108 system was a ThermoKing that used an R type compressor from GM, blower was in the passenger side kick panel. Universally referrred to as inadequate, mainly because it has very poor air circulation. The evaporator is fine, and should freeze you out, but the air flow is best described as anemic. The W115/114 system uses a York compressor and a dual squirrel cage fan behind the evaporator. When properly charged, they will freeze you, even at idle. Almost stalls a 220D though. I converted mine and it worked pretty well for the few months the car ran after I charged it. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
So it looks like he has some sort of 124 seats in the front and 140 seats crammed in the back. Wow. Alex Chamberlain wrote: http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1874125467.html In the 5th picture down, is that a normal climate control setup for this vintage of 300D? What's with the knobs near the stereo and the sliders above in two separate groups---is that the factory A/C setup with separate blowers? I am not particularly familiar with /8s, but I thought they came with either the Evil Chrysler ACC, or vertical-slider manual controls like a W123 240D. I love the jack-o'-lantern orange on this one---too bad the seats appear to have been changed out from a saddle interior to parchment. If it were a stick 240D rather than an automatic, though, I'd be all over it. Wonder if everything works includes the heater blower? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
the AC on those was not aftermarket. It was perhaps an afterthought since orignal design, but they came from the factory with AC, at least on the later 114/115 Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: No ACC in any w114/115 chassis, only manual (aftermarket) AC. By aftermarket you mean fitted by the dealer, right? Are these the Behr units that are often mentioned or are there some /8s out there with other kinds of A/C? if AC is fitted, there is a rotary switch on the console that switches the air from from heat to recirculate only AC via the dash vents, and switches from the heater fan to the AC fan. Aha. So you can tell by the presence of that switch that A/C is fitted? Obviously the best check would be to look for a compressor and so on under the hood, but I'm thinking about how to tell from sellers' pictures if there isn't a good one of the engine. In the CL ad I originally posted, however, methinks in the pic of the engine I see a compressor at the bottom left---at least it has two thick lines coming off and one has a service port on it. Is that one of the famously long-lived York compressors? http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1874125467.html Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Up to the W123 I believe they were dealer installed. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 22:16:24 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: the AC on those was not aftermarket. It was perhaps an afterthought since orignal design, but they came from the factory with AC, at least on the later 114/115 Yes, what he said. No way would a dealer go to all the trouble to install the A/C in a '72 220D/8 like ours and have it look entirely like it really belonged there. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
Sorry boys, I've talked to the guy who used to run the local Benz dealer in those days. Dealer installed. Remember, we are talking about the 60's here. Might have started putting them in at the factory in the mid 70s, but probably only the W123. AC was a dealer installed option,and here are some cars out there without it. Peter -Original Message- From: Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net Sent: Aug 5, 2010 10:54 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 22:16:24 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: the AC on those was not aftermarket. It was perhaps an afterthought since orignal design, but they came from the factory with AC, at least on the later 114/115 Yes, what he said. No way would a dealer go to all the trouble to install the A/C in a '72 220D/8 like ours and have it look entirely like it really belonged there. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1874125467.html In the 5th picture down, is that a normal climate control setup for this vintage of 300D? What's with the knobs near the stereo and the sliders above in two separate groups---is that the factory A/C setup with separate blowers? I am not particularly familiar with /8s, but I thought they came with either the Evil Chrysler ACC, or vertical-slider manual controls like a W123 240D. I love the jack-o'-lantern orange on this one---too bad the seats appear to have been changed out from a saddle interior to parchment. If it were a stick 240D rather than an automatic, though, I'd be all over it. Wonder if everything works includes the heater blower? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
No ACC in any w114/115 chassis, only manual (aftermarket) AC. The four levers are for on/off, floor/windshield, and heat (one on each side). Center vent is manual, and if AC is fitted, there is a rotary switch on the console that switches the air from from heat to recirculate only AC via the dash vents, and switches from the heater fan to the AC fan. The rotary switch in the center is for the fan, works either one depending on the setting of the AC rotary switch. W123/W116 got ACC, all earlier ones are manual aftermarket style AC. Peter -Original Message- From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com Sent: Aug 4, 2010 12:26 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1874125467.html In the 5th picture down, is that a normal climate control setup for this vintage of 300D? What's with the knobs near the stereo and the sliders above in two separate groups---is that the factory A/C setup with separate blowers? I am not particularly familiar with /8s, but I thought they came with either the Evil Chrysler ACC, or vertical-slider manual controls like a W123 240D. I love the jack-o'-lantern orange on this one---too bad the seats appear to have been changed out from a saddle interior to parchment. If it were a stick 240D rather than an automatic, though, I'd be all over it. Wonder if everything works includes the heater blower? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: No ACC in any w114/115 chassis, only manual (aftermarket) AC. By aftermarket you mean fitted by the dealer, right? Are these the Behr units that are often mentioned or are there some /8s out there with other kinds of A/C? if AC is fitted, there is a rotary switch on the console that switches the air from from heat to recirculate only AC via the dash vents, and switches from the heater fan to the AC fan. Aha. So you can tell by the presence of that switch that A/C is fitted? Obviously the best check would be to look for a compressor and so on under the hood, but I'm thinking about how to tell from sellers' pictures if there isn't a good one of the engine. In the CL ad I originally posted, however, methinks in the pic of the engine I see a compressor at the bottom left---at least it has two thick lines coming off and one has a service port on it. Is that one of the famously long-lived York compressors? http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1874125467.html Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
Yes, the car has the a/c parts on it. The compressor is very visible on the left front of the engine. The knob to turn if on is above and to the left side of the stereo. Interesting seats. Are they out of some other Benz or are they custom made to fit it I wonder? Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 1:30 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: No ACC in any w114/115 chassis, only manual (aftermarket) AC. By aftermarket you mean fitted by the dealer, right? Are these the Behr units that are often mentioned or are there some /8s out there with other kinds of A/C? if AC is fitted, there is a rotary switch on the console that switches the air from from heat to recirculate only AC via the dash vents, and switches from the heater fan to the AC fan. Aha. So you can tell by the presence of that switch that A/C is fitted? Obviously the best check would be to look for a compressor and so on under the hood, but I'm thinking about how to tell from sellers' pictures if there isn't a good one of the engine. In the CL ad I originally posted, however, methinks in the pic of the engine I see a compressor at the bottom left---at least it has two thick lines coming off and one has a service port on it. Is that one of the famously long-lived York compressors? http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1874125467.html Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
Are those even 115 seats? -Curt Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 10:26:08 -0700 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls Message-ID: aanlkti=fjc-m1akb-9-pp9bg1=9+rgb1hrk9vzukz...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1874125467.html In the 5th picture down, is that a normal climate control setup for this vintage of 300D? What's with the knobs near the stereo and the sliders above in two separate groups---is that the factory A/C setup with separate blowers? I am not particularly familiar with /8s, but I thought they came with either the Evil Chrysler ACC, or vertical-slider manual controls like a W123 240D. I love the jack-o'-lantern orange on this one---too bad the seats appear to have been changed out from a saddle interior to parchment. If it were a stick 240D rather than an automatic, though, I'd be all over it. Wonder if everything works includes the heater blower? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
I think thats a York, it looks just like the one in Dwight's '78 240D. I'm thinking if I buy the car I'll have to get it working if for no other reason than to see how much it shakes the car... -Curt Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:30:12 -0700 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls Message-ID: aanlktikp_skgsq51xkj-zgfzgg8k37e3upm+2f6um...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: No ACC in any w114/115 chassis, only manual (aftermarket) AC. By aftermarket you mean fitted by the dealer, right? Are these the Behr units that are often mentioned or are there some /8s out there with other kinds of A/C? if AC is fitted, there is a rotary switch on the console that switches the air from from heat to recirculate only AC via the dash vents, and switches from the heater fan to the AC fan. Aha. So you can tell by the presence of that switch that A/C is fitted? Obviously the best check would be to look for a compressor and so on under the hood, but I'm thinking about how to tell from sellers' pictures if there isn't a good one of the engine. In the CL ad I originally posted, however, methinks in the pic of the engine I see a compressor at the bottom left---at least it has two thick lines coming off and one has a service port on it. Is that one of the famously long-lived York compressors? http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1874125467.html Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Are those even 115 seats? I'm going to have to go look at it. It doesn't even look like MB-Tex in the pictures. Maybe they were recovered at some point, but then why not match the door panel color? A;ex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
Those A/C controls are identical to the ones in my '76 300D. Knob by the stereo controls A/C being on or off, and the duty cycle, which maps roughly to temperature. Sliders (red) control hot air left and right, and (blue) airflow to the windshield and feet. (If the blower works, see if you can find out if it's been replaced; if it's original it'll probably be dead in a year or two. All the originals must be at the end of their lifecycles by now.) (Great condition inside and out? Everything works? It's missing the side markers and fog lamps (the latter being optional, but it sure looks like they WERE on it and have been removed). The glove box isn't in great condition and it looks like at least one of the vent control sliders is completely missing. Headliner's also trashed, but that's endemic. I'm also dubious about the radiator. Looks like dried coolant on it, and I know from experience that when those get old they develop leaks. Great condition? Must be very, very relative... That said, at half the price it'd be an awesome parts car. And if it runs, *and the AC and heater fan work*, it's not too bad. Those seats don't look original, but they also look nice and clean and plush. I'd trade my trashed originals for those anyday...) Stuart S. Alex Chamberlain said: Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 10:26:08 -0700 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls Message-ID: ??? aanlkti=fjc-m1akb-9-pp9bg1=9+rgb1hrk9vzukz...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1874125467.html In the 5th picture down, is that a normal climate control setup for this vintage of 300D?? What's with the knobs near the stereo and the sliders above in two separate groups---is that the factory A/C setup with separate blowers?? I am not particularly familiar with /8s, but I thought they came with either the Evil Chrysler ACC, or vertical-slider manual controls like a W123 240D. I love the jack-o'-lantern orange on this one---too bad the seats appear to have been changed out from a saddle interior to parchment. If it were a stick 240D rather than an automatic, though, I'd be all over it.? Wonder if everything works includes the heater blower? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
On Wed, 4 Aug 2010 10:26:08 -0700 Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1874125467.html In the 5th picture down, is that a normal climate control setup for this vintage of 300D? It looks close to what our '72 220D/8 had. What's with the knobs near the stereo and the sliders above in two separate groups---is that the factory A/C setup with separate blowers? The controls to the right of the key lock are for heating and ventilation. The upper levers with the blue arrows control air flow, the left one with the blue arrow pointing up to the defroster vents by the windshield, the right one with the blue arrow pointing down to the floor vents. The round knob in the middle controls the speed of the fan. The grille above the blue levers and round knob brings in outside air, whose volume is adjusted by the lever just above the grille when the A/C is not running. When the A/C is running, some vacuum operated baffles move and block off the outside air and the grille outputs chilled air from the A/C. The air is moved by a different blower than when the A/C is off. The round knob with the green arrow just above the left end of the radio is the temperature control. I am not particularly familiar with /8s, but I thought they came with either the Evil Chrysler ACC, or vertical-slider manual controls like a W123 240D. No, they did not. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
On Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:34:43 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: No ACC in any w114/115 chassis, only manual (aftermarket) AC. No! That is wrong! The A/C came from the factory! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
On Wed, 4 Aug 2010 15:21:09 -0500 R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote: Yes, the car has the a/c parts on it. The compressor is very visible on the left front of the engine. The knob to turn if on is above and to the left side of the stereo. The compressor is on the passenger front side of the engine. And, the compressor drive belt is not fitted and the pullies are rusty. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
On Wed, 4 Aug 2010 20:39:01 -0600 Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net wrote: The controls to the right of the key lock are for heating and ventilation. The upper levers with the blue arrows control air flow, the left one with the blue arrow pointing up to the defroster vents by the windshield, the right one with the blue arrow pointing down to the floor vents. I forgot: The lower levers with the red arrows control the flow of hot water to the left and right heater cores (there are two, just like a W123). Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
That is the exact A/C system that I have in my 1975 W115 300D, both the interior and under the hood. Yes, that is the compressor that you see in the lower left of the pic you mentioned. I can't remember the brand for sure, but I think it is a York. I have a spare from my recycled 1976 300D. RIP. Peter Frederick was spot on (as he usually is, btw) with his description of the A/C and heater set up on the W115... to call that climate control is... a stretch, implying a level of sophistication that is simply non-existent in the W115. :) I have never used the A/C on my car (that is what that monster sunroof is for, if you ask me) . it has never worked. Those red and blue control levers are standard, and the dial on the lower console with the green is the A/C control. Thereis also a fresh air vent lever, as Peter mentioned, in the middle of the upper unit. Those seats have been changed they are not original in any W115 I have seen. As you probably know, all the W115 300D s were automatic transmissions. Tom Schuch SE Connecticut 1975 W115 300D and all the BMWs Message: 3 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 14:04:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls Message-ID: 604107.10628...@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Are those even 115 seats? -Curt Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 10:26:08 -0700 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls Message-ID: ??? aanlkti=fjc-m1akb-9-pp9bg1=9+rgb1hrk9vzukz...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1874125467.html In the 5th picture down, is that a normal climate control setup for this vintage of 300D?? What's with the knobs near the stereo and the sliders above in two separate groups---is that the factory A/C setup with separate blowers?? I am not particularly familiar with /8s, but I thought they came with either the Evil Chrysler ACC, or vertical-slider manual controls like a W123 240D. I love the jack-o'-lantern orange on this one---too bad the seats appear to have been changed out from a saddle interior to parchment. If it were a stick 240D rather than an automatic, though, I'd be all over it.? Wonder if everything works includes the heater blower? Alex -- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 14:07:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls Message-ID: 865635.29853...@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I think thats a York, it looks just like the one in Dwight's '78 240D. I'm thinking if I buy the car I'll have to get it working if for no other reason than to see how much it shakes the car... -Curt Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:30:12 -0700 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls Message-ID: ??? aanlktikp_skgsq51xkj-zgfzgg8k37e3upm+2f6um...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: No ACC in any w114/115 chassis, only manual (aftermarket) AC. By aftermarket you mean fitted by the dealer, right?? Are these the Behr units that are often mentioned or are there some /8s out there with other kinds of A/C? ???if AC is fitted, there is a rotary switch on the console that switches the air from from heat to recirculate only AC via the dash vents, and switches from the heater fan to the AC fan. Aha.? So you can tell by the presence of that switch that A/C is fitted?? Obviously the best check would be to look for a compressor and so on under the hood, but I'm thinking about how to tell from sellers' pictures if there isn't a good one of the engine.? In the CL ad I originally posted, however, methinks in the pic of the engine I see a compressor at the bottom left---at least it has two thick lines coming off and one has a service port on it.? Is that one of the famously long-lived York compressors? http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1874125467.html Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
