Re: [MBZ] W116 ignition tumbler and key
Update: I received the replacement generic tumbler and it is indeed the simpler (non-sidewinder) style key. FWIW, they provide two keys. Next step will be to temporarily install the generic tumbler and then bravely dismantle the original. D. On 10/23/21, David Bruckmann wrote: >Greetings, > >In case it is helpful for others, I'd like to relate my recent journey in >attempting to avert ignition tumbler failure on my '79 W116.120 (300SD). All >of the information below was confirmed with Tom Hanson at the Classic Centre. > >Ignition tumblers coded to the vehicle are no longer available for W116 >models. Fortunately, it is still possible to order a generic "service" >ignition tumbler with a key that is not coded to the vehicle. The "service" >tumbler may actually use a different style of key. My W116 has the so-called >"sidewinder" key, but Tom mentioned that the service tumblers probably use the >more conventional-style keys used in 107/114/115/123 models. And by the way, >ignition tumblers for 107, 108, 114 and 115 are also NLA, even as an uncoded >service part. Only the later 123 tumblers remain available. > >I also ordered two replacement keys that ARE coded to the vehicle. These are >still available, but under A2017600306 versus the original A0007600406, a fact >that my local dealer was unable to determine. > >My plan is to remove the existing ignition tumbler, replace with the service >tumbler, then dismantle the old part. Sounds like the failure is caused by >wear of the lock pins, which then protrude and cause the tumbler to lock in >the housing. So I will take a look for that and make adjustments before >cleaning, lubricating, and reassembling the tumbler. > >If I'm REALLY lucky, Tom is wrong and the "service" tumbler also uses a >sidewinder key. In that case, I will try to find a competent locksmith who can >modify the coding of the generic tumbler to match the vehicle keying. > >I posted on this (R107) thread: > >https://www.benzworld.org/threads/apparently-mb-no-longer-makes-the-ignition-tumblers-for-our-cars-so.2067042/page-4 > >where there's a useful link to >https://www.coolcatcorp.com/Mercedes/Lock190.html and this thread >https://forum.w116.org/mechanicals/modifying-w123-lock-cylinder-to-fit-w116/ >which give you an idea of the internal construction of the tumbler. > >Anyway, I'll keep you all posted as things progress. If anyone knows of a >competent automotive locksmith near San Francisco, please let me know! > >D. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W116 ignition tumbler and key
Scott you just helped me to understand how the sidewinder keys work. I'd never visualized it before since I've never had one apart but I can now see in my mind how the wafers work. Assuming they're somewhat like the wafers in a 123 you could also modify (grind off) the outside of the wafers to fit the lock allowing you to use wafers that aren't quite right. -Curt On Saturday, October 23, 2021, 11:23:42 PM EDT, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: I never opened an ignition cylinder but I have been inside w126 door locks. The sidewinder style does not use pin-style tumblers like a typical home lock. They use spring loaded split "wafers" that ride up and down the profile cut into the sides of the key. When everything is "right" with the key inserted, all the wafers ends are flush with the diameter of the cylinder, allowing it to turn. I assume these split wafers come in standard numbered sizes. It appeared to me that sticking from dirt and grease as well as wear would be the main problem. Also, the door locks were crimped together making a really neat repair difficult. On the other hand, bad wafers could simply be removed if too worn and the lock would still work (albeit less securte). -Original Message- From: Mercedes On Behalf Of David Bruckmann via Mercedes Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2021 8:22 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: David Bruckmann Subject: [MBZ] W116 ignition tumbler and key Greetings, In case it is helpful for others, I'd like to relate my recent journey in attempting to avert ignition tumbler failure on my '79 W116.120 (300SD). All of the information below was confirmed with Tom Hanson at the Classic Centre. Ignition tumblers coded to the vehicle are no longer available for W116 models. Fortunately, it is still possible to order a generic "service" ignition tumbler with a key that is not coded to the vehicle. The "service" tumbler may actually use a different style of key. My W116 has the so-called "sidewinder" key, but Tom mentioned that the service tumblers probably use the more conventional-style keys used in 107/114/115/123 models. And by the way, ignition tumblers for 107, 108, 114 and 115 are also NLA, even as an uncoded service part. Only the later 123 tumblers remain available. I also ordered two replacement keys that ARE coded to the vehicle. These are still available, but under A2017600306 versus the original A0007600406, a fact that my local dealer was unable to determine. My plan is to remove the existing ignition tumbler, replace with the service tumbler, then dismantle the old part. Sounds like the failure is caused by wear of the lock pins, which then protrude and cause the tumbler to lock in the housing. So I will take a look for that and make adjustments before cleaning, lubricating, and reassembling the tumbler. If I'm REALLY lucky, Tom is wrong and the "service" tumbler also uses a sidewinder key. In that case, I will try to find a competent locksmith who can modify the coding of the generic tumbler to match the vehicle keying. I posted on this (R107) thread: https://www.benzworld.org/threads/apparently-mb-no-longer-makes-the-ignition -tumblers-for-our-cars-so.2067042/page-4 where there's a useful link to https://www.coolcatcorp.com/Mercedes/Lock190.html and this thread https://forum.w116.org/mechanicals/modifying-w123-lock-cylinder-to-fit-w116/ which give you an idea of the internal construction of the tumbler. Anyway, I'll keep you all posted as things progress. If anyone knows of a competent automotive locksmith near San Francisco, please let me know! D. -- David Bruckmann, Temescal/Oakland, CA Current Reality: 1966 Citroen DS21M Pallas "Celeste" 1972 Mercedes-Benz 280SEL 4.5 (160,000 km) "Blauer Engel" 1973 Mercedes-Benz 450SLC (210,000 km) "Lottie" 1976 Citroen 2CV6 (150,000 km) "Piaf" 1976 Mercedes-Benz 300D/8 (325,000 km) "Willow" 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300SD (270,000 km) "Tina" Shady Past: 1970 Citroen DS21 Pallas (170,000 km) "Goettin" 1970 Mercedes-Benz 220/8 (250,000 km) "Blanche" 1971 Citroen DS21 Pallas (137,000 km), 1972 Citroen DS21 Pallas (502,000 km) 1978 Mercedes-Benz 300D (1,200,000 km or thereabouts) "Sieglinde" 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300TD non-turbo (260,000 km) "Diva" 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300D (425,000 km) "Liz" 1980 Citroen 2CV6 Charleston (120,000km), 1988 Merkur XR4Ti (209,000 km) 1981 Peugeot 505 GRD (350,000km), 1984 MB 300TD (385,000 km) "Gertraud" 1985 Toyota Camry (330,000 km) 1986 Renault 9 1.7L (155,000 km) 2002 VW Golf GLS TDI "The Hated Golf" (74,000 km) -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.ok
Re: [MBZ] W116 ignition tumbler and key
I've never worked on a sidewinder key but the conventional keys used in a 123 are VERY easy to work on. On those I don't think the ignition wears out per-say, I think cruft gets in and gums them up until they can't turn anymore. The driver's door on my '83 240D got so bad I had to cut it apart to get the wafers out.On that same car the ignition got sticky so I took it apart, cleaned it thoroughly with alcohol to remove all traces of old graphite etc, lubed with Houdini lock lube and re-assembled. It lasted the year until a failed oil cooler line junked the car. The trick on a 123 is having enough of the wafers to build the lock you want. A couple junkyard door locks from different cars would do the job or you could just use fewer wafers. It's unlikely somebody is going to pick the ignition lock on your car anyway... -Curt On Saturday, October 23, 2021, 08:22:41 PM EDT, David Bruckmann via Mercedes wrote: Greetings, In case it is helpful for others, I'd like to relate my recent journey in attempting to avert ignition tumbler failure on my '79 W116.120 (300SD). All of the information below was confirmed with Tom Hanson at the Classic Centre. Ignition tumblers coded to the vehicle are no longer available for W116 models. Fortunately, it is still possible to order a generic "service" ignition tumbler with a key that is not coded to the vehicle. The "service" tumbler may actually use a different style of key. My W116 has the so-called "sidewinder" key, but Tom mentioned that the service tumblers probably use the more conventional-style keys used in 107/114/115/123 models. And by the way, ignition tumblers for 107, 108, 114 and 115 are also NLA, even as an uncoded service part. Only the later 123 tumblers remain available. I also ordered two replacement keys that ARE coded to the vehicle. These are still available, but under A2017600306 versus the original A0007600406, a fact that my local dealer was unable to determine. My plan is to remove the existing ignition tumbler, replace with the service tumbler, then dismantle the old part. Sounds like the failure is caused by wear of the lock pins, which then protrude and cause the tumbler to lock in the housing. So I will take a look for that and make adjustments before cleaning, lubricating, and reassembling the tumbler. If I'm REALLY lucky, Tom is wrong and the "service" tumbler also uses a sidewinder key. In that case, I will try to find a competent locksmith who can modify the coding of the generic tumbler to match the vehicle keying. I posted on this (R107) thread: https://www.benzworld.org/threads/apparently-mb-no-longer-makes-the-ignition-tumblers-for-our-cars-so.2067042/page-4 where there's a useful link to https://www.coolcatcorp.com/Mercedes/Lock190.html and this thread https://forum.w116.org/mechanicals/modifying-w123-lock-cylinder-to-fit-w116/ which give you an idea of the internal construction of the tumbler. Anyway, I'll keep you all posted as things progress. If anyone knows of a competent automotive locksmith near San Francisco, please let me know! D. -- David Bruckmann, Temescal/Oakland, CA Current Reality: 1966 Citroen DS21M Pallas "Celeste" 1972 Mercedes-Benz 280SEL 4.5 (160,000 km) "Blauer Engel" 1973 Mercedes-Benz 450SLC (210,000 km) "Lottie" 1976 Citroen 2CV6 (150,000 km) "Piaf" 1976 Mercedes-Benz 300D/8 (325,000 km) "Willow" 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300SD (270,000 km) "Tina" Shady Past: 1970 Citroen DS21 Pallas (170,000 km) "Goettin" 1970 Mercedes-Benz 220/8 (250,000 km) "Blanche" 1971 Citroen DS21 Pallas (137,000 km), 1972 Citroen DS21 Pallas (502,000 km) 1978 Mercedes-Benz 300D (1,200,000 km or thereabouts) "Sieglinde" 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300TD non-turbo (260,000 km) "Diva" 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300D (425,000 km) "Liz" 1980 Citroen 2CV6 Charleston (120,000km), 1988 Merkur XR4Ti (209,000 km) 1981 Peugeot 505 GRD (350,000km), 1984 MB 300TD (385,000 km) "Gertraud" 1985 Toyota Camry (330,000 km) 1986 Renault 9 1.7L (155,000 km) 2002 VW Golf GLS TDI "The Hated Golf" (74,000 km) -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W116 ignition tumbler and key
May or may not be relevant, but I had the ignition cylinder lock up on a Honda Odyssey. Sidewinder style key, wafers. Locked up solid without warning, between "Off/Locked" and "Accessory" positions. Could not turn either way or remove the key. Fortunately the steering column was not locked. Removed the steering column cover and was able to remove the switch from the cylinder and start the car. At home, removed the bracket holding the cylinder, was able to remove it and get the key out. I disassembled it, and removed all the wafers, then reassembled it and installed it. Looked completely normal but any key or even a screwdriver would turn it. Anyone trying to steal the car would still have needed the the key with the RFID chip to start it, so that was good enough for me. Allan On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, at 11:22 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: > I never opened an ignition cylinder but I have been inside w126 door locks. > The sidewinder style does not use pin-style tumblers like a typical home > lock. They use spring loaded split "wafers" that ride up and down the > profile cut into the sides of the key. When everything is "right" with the > key inserted, all the wafers ends are flush with the diameter of the > cylinder, allowing it to turn. I assume these split wafers come in standard > numbered sizes. It appeared to me that sticking from dirt and grease as > well as wear would be the main problem. Also, the door locks were crimped > together making a really neat repair difficult. On the other hand, bad > wafers could simply be removed if too worn and the lock would still work > (albeit less securte). > > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes On Behalf Of David Bruckmann via Mercedes > Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2021 8:22 PM > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Cc: David Bruckmann > Subject: [MBZ] W116 ignition tumbler and key > > Greetings, > > In case it is helpful for others, I'd like to relate my recent journey in > attempting to avert ignition tumbler failure on my '79 W116.120 (300SD). All > of the information below was confirmed with Tom Hanson at the Classic > Centre. > > Ignition tumblers coded to the vehicle are no longer available for W116 > models. Fortunately, it is still possible to order a generic "service" > ignition tumbler with a key that is not coded to the vehicle. The "service" > tumbler may actually use a different style of key. My W116 has the so-called > "sidewinder" key, but Tom mentioned that the service tumblers probably use > the more conventional-style keys used in 107/114/115/123 models. And by the > way, ignition tumblers for 107, 108, 114 and 115 are also NLA, even as an > uncoded service part. Only the later 123 tumblers remain available. > > I also ordered two replacement keys that ARE coded to the vehicle. These are > still available, but under A2017600306 versus the original A0007600406, a > fact that my local dealer was unable to determine. > > My plan is to remove the existing ignition tumbler, replace with the service > tumbler, then dismantle the old part. Sounds like the failure is caused by > wear of the lock pins, which then protrude and cause the tumbler to lock in > the housing. So I will take a look for that and make adjustments before > cleaning, lubricating, and reassembling the tumbler. > > If I'm REALLY lucky, Tom is wrong and the "service" tumbler also uses a > sidewinder key. In that case, I will try to find a competent locksmith who > can modify the coding of the generic tumbler to match the vehicle keying. > > I posted on this (R107) thread: > > https://www.benzworld.org/threads/apparently-mb-no-longer-makes-the-ignition > -tumblers-for-our-cars-so.2067042/page-4 > > where there's a useful link to > https://www.coolcatcorp.com/Mercedes/Lock190.html and this thread > https://forum.w116.org/mechanicals/modifying-w123-lock-cylinder-to-fit-w116/ > which give you an idea of the internal construction of the tumbler. > > Anyway, I'll keep you all posted as things progress. If anyone knows of a > competent automotive locksmith near San Francisco, please let me know! > > D. > > -- > David Bruckmann, Temescal/Oakland, CA > Current Reality: > 1966 Citroen DS21M Pallas "Celeste" > 1972 Mercedes-Benz 280SEL 4.5 (160,000 km) "Blauer Engel" > 1973 Mercedes-Benz 450SLC (210,000 km) "Lottie" > 1976 Citroen 2CV6 (150,000 km) "Piaf" > 1976 Mercedes-Benz 300D/8 (325,000 km) "Willow" > 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300SD (270,000 km) "Tina" > Shady Past: > 1970 Citroen DS21 Pallas (170,000 km) "Goettin" > 1970 Mercedes-Benz 220/8 (250,000 km) "Blanche" > 1971
Re: [MBZ] W116 ignition tumbler and key
I never opened an ignition cylinder but I have been inside w126 door locks. The sidewinder style does not use pin-style tumblers like a typical home lock. They use spring loaded split "wafers" that ride up and down the profile cut into the sides of the key. When everything is "right" with the key inserted, all the wafers ends are flush with the diameter of the cylinder, allowing it to turn. I assume these split wafers come in standard numbered sizes. It appeared to me that sticking from dirt and grease as well as wear would be the main problem. Also, the door locks were crimped together making a really neat repair difficult. On the other hand, bad wafers could simply be removed if too worn and the lock would still work (albeit less securte). -Original Message- From: Mercedes On Behalf Of David Bruckmann via Mercedes Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2021 8:22 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: David Bruckmann Subject: [MBZ] W116 ignition tumbler and key Greetings, In case it is helpful for others, I'd like to relate my recent journey in attempting to avert ignition tumbler failure on my '79 W116.120 (300SD). All of the information below was confirmed with Tom Hanson at the Classic Centre. Ignition tumblers coded to the vehicle are no longer available for W116 models. Fortunately, it is still possible to order a generic "service" ignition tumbler with a key that is not coded to the vehicle. The "service" tumbler may actually use a different style of key. My W116 has the so-called "sidewinder" key, but Tom mentioned that the service tumblers probably use the more conventional-style keys used in 107/114/115/123 models. And by the way, ignition tumblers for 107, 108, 114 and 115 are also NLA, even as an uncoded service part. Only the later 123 tumblers remain available. I also ordered two replacement keys that ARE coded to the vehicle. These are still available, but under A2017600306 versus the original A0007600406, a fact that my local dealer was unable to determine. My plan is to remove the existing ignition tumbler, replace with the service tumbler, then dismantle the old part. Sounds like the failure is caused by wear of the lock pins, which then protrude and cause the tumbler to lock in the housing. So I will take a look for that and make adjustments before cleaning, lubricating, and reassembling the tumbler. If I'm REALLY lucky, Tom is wrong and the "service" tumbler also uses a sidewinder key. In that case, I will try to find a competent locksmith who can modify the coding of the generic tumbler to match the vehicle keying. I posted on this (R107) thread: https://www.benzworld.org/threads/apparently-mb-no-longer-makes-the-ignition -tumblers-for-our-cars-so.2067042/page-4 where there's a useful link to https://www.coolcatcorp.com/Mercedes/Lock190.html and this thread https://forum.w116.org/mechanicals/modifying-w123-lock-cylinder-to-fit-w116/ which give you an idea of the internal construction of the tumbler. Anyway, I'll keep you all posted as things progress. If anyone knows of a competent automotive locksmith near San Francisco, please let me know! D. -- David Bruckmann, Temescal/Oakland, CA Current Reality: 1966 Citroen DS21M Pallas "Celeste" 1972 Mercedes-Benz 280SEL 4.5 (160,000 km) "Blauer Engel" 1973 Mercedes-Benz 450SLC (210,000 km) "Lottie" 1976 Citroen 2CV6 (150,000 km) "Piaf" 1976 Mercedes-Benz 300D/8 (325,000 km) "Willow" 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300SD (270,000 km) "Tina" Shady Past: 1970 Citroen DS21 Pallas (170,000 km) "Goettin" 1970 Mercedes-Benz 220/8 (250,000 km) "Blanche" 1971 Citroen DS21 Pallas (137,000 km), 1972 Citroen DS21 Pallas (502,000 km) 1978 Mercedes-Benz 300D (1,200,000 km or thereabouts) "Sieglinde" 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300TD non-turbo (260,000 km) "Diva" 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300D (425,000 km) "Liz" 1980 Citroen 2CV6 Charleston (120,000km), 1988 Merkur XR4Ti (209,000 km) 1981 Peugeot 505 GRD (350,000km), 1984 MB 300TD (385,000 km) "Gertraud" 1985 Toyota Camry (330,000 km) 1986 Renault 9 1.7L (155,000 km) 2002 VW Golf GLS TDI "The Hated Golf" (74,000 km) -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W116 ignition tumbler and key
I only saw one sidewinder key - for my 1978 450 SL C. Was a PIA to get copied at the locksmith. On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 8:22 PM David Bruckmann via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Greetings, > > In case it is helpful for others, I'd like to relate my recent journey in > attempting to avert ignition tumbler failure on my '79 W116.120 (300SD). > All of the information below was confirmed with Tom Hanson at the Classic > Centre. > > Ignition tumblers coded to the vehicle are no longer available for W116 > models. Fortunately, it is still possible to order a generic "service" > ignition tumbler with a key that is not coded to the vehicle. The "service" > tumbler may actually use a different style of key. My W116 has the > so-called "sidewinder" key, but Tom mentioned that the service tumblers > probably use the more conventional-style keys used in 107/114/115/123 > models. And by the way, ignition tumblers for 107, 108, 114 and 115 are > also NLA, even as an uncoded service part. Only the later 123 tumblers > remain available. > > I also ordered two replacement keys that ARE coded to the vehicle. These > are still available, but under A2017600306 versus the original A0007600406, > a fact that my local dealer was unable to determine. > > My plan is to remove the existing ignition tumbler, replace with the > service tumbler, then dismantle the old part. Sounds like the failure is > caused by wear of the lock pins, which then protrude and cause the tumbler > to lock in the housing. So I will take a look for that and make adjustments > before cleaning, lubricating, and reassembling the tumbler. > > If I'm REALLY lucky, Tom is wrong and the "service" tumbler also uses a > sidewinder key. In that case, I will try to find a competent locksmith who > can modify the coding of the generic tumbler to match the vehicle keying. > > I posted on this (R107) thread: > > > https://www.benzworld.org/threads/apparently-mb-no-longer-makes-the-ignition-tumblers-for-our-cars-so.2067042/page-4 > > where there's a useful link to > https://www.coolcatcorp.com/Mercedes/Lock190.html and this thread > https://forum.w116.org/mechanicals/modifying-w123-lock-cylinder-to-fit-w116/ > which give you an idea of the internal construction of the tumbler. > > Anyway, I'll keep you all posted as things progress. If anyone knows of a > competent automotive locksmith near San Francisco, please let me know! > > D. > > -- > David Bruckmann, Temescal/Oakland, CA > Current Reality: > 1966 Citroen DS21M Pallas "Celeste" > 1972 Mercedes-Benz 280SEL 4.5 (160,000 km) "Blauer Engel" > 1973 Mercedes-Benz 450SLC (210,000 km) "Lottie" > 1976 Citroen 2CV6 (150,000 km) "Piaf" > 1976 Mercedes-Benz 300D/8 (325,000 km) "Willow" > 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300SD (270,000 km) "Tina" > Shady Past: > 1970 Citroen DS21 Pallas (170,000 km) "Goettin" > 1970 Mercedes-Benz 220/8 (250,000 km) "Blanche" > 1971 Citroen DS21 Pallas (137,000 km), 1972 Citroen DS21 Pallas (502,000 > km) > 1978 Mercedes-Benz 300D (1,200,000 km or thereabouts) "Sieglinde" > 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300TD non-turbo (260,000 km) "Diva" > 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300D (425,000 km) "Liz" > 1980 Citroen 2CV6 Charleston (120,000km), 1988 Merkur XR4Ti (209,000 km) > 1981 Peugeot 505 GRD (350,000km), 1984 MB 300TD (385,000 km) "Gertraud" > 1985 Toyota Camry (330,000 km) 1986 Renault 9 1.7L (155,000 km) > 2002 VW Golf GLS TDI "The Hated Golf" (74,000 km) > > -- > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W116 ignition tumbler and key
Greetings, In case it is helpful for others, I'd like to relate my recent journey in attempting to avert ignition tumbler failure on my '79 W116.120 (300SD). All of the information below was confirmed with Tom Hanson at the Classic Centre. Ignition tumblers coded to the vehicle are no longer available for W116 models. Fortunately, it is still possible to order a generic "service" ignition tumbler with a key that is not coded to the vehicle. The "service" tumbler may actually use a different style of key. My W116 has the so-called "sidewinder" key, but Tom mentioned that the service tumblers probably use the more conventional-style keys used in 107/114/115/123 models. And by the way, ignition tumblers for 107, 108, 114 and 115 are also NLA, even as an uncoded service part. Only the later 123 tumblers remain available. I also ordered two replacement keys that ARE coded to the vehicle. These are still available, but under A2017600306 versus the original A0007600406, a fact that my local dealer was unable to determine. My plan is to remove the existing ignition tumbler, replace with the service tumbler, then dismantle the old part. Sounds like the failure is caused by wear of the lock pins, which then protrude and cause the tumbler to lock in the housing. So I will take a look for that and make adjustments before cleaning, lubricating, and reassembling the tumbler. If I'm REALLY lucky, Tom is wrong and the "service" tumbler also uses a sidewinder key. In that case, I will try to find a competent locksmith who can modify the coding of the generic tumbler to match the vehicle keying. I posted on this (R107) thread: https://www.benzworld.org/threads/apparently-mb-no-longer-makes-the-ignition-tumblers-for-our-cars-so.2067042/page-4 where there's a useful link to https://www.coolcatcorp.com/Mercedes/Lock190.html and this thread https://forum.w116.org/mechanicals/modifying-w123-lock-cylinder-to-fit-w116/ which give you an idea of the internal construction of the tumbler. Anyway, I'll keep you all posted as things progress. If anyone knows of a competent automotive locksmith near San Francisco, please let me know! D. -- David Bruckmann, Temescal/Oakland, CA Current Reality: 1966 Citroen DS21M Pallas "Celeste" 1972 Mercedes-Benz 280SEL 4.5 (160,000 km) "Blauer Engel" 1973 Mercedes-Benz 450SLC (210,000 km) "Lottie" 1976 Citroen 2CV6 (150,000 km) "Piaf" 1976 Mercedes-Benz 300D/8 (325,000 km) "Willow" 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300SD (270,000 km) "Tina" Shady Past: 1970 Citroen DS21 Pallas (170,000 km) "Goettin" 1970 Mercedes-Benz 220/8 (250,000 km) "Blanche" 1971 Citroen DS21 Pallas (137,000 km), 1972 Citroen DS21 Pallas (502,000 km) 1978 Mercedes-Benz 300D (1,200,000 km or thereabouts) "Sieglinde" 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300TD non-turbo (260,000 km) "Diva" 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300D (425,000 km) "Liz" 1980 Citroen 2CV6 Charleston (120,000km), 1988 Merkur XR4Ti (209,000 km) 1981 Peugeot 505 GRD (350,000km), 1984 MB 300TD (385,000 km) "Gertraud" 1985 Toyota Camry (330,000 km) 1986 Renault 9 1.7L (155,000 km) 2002 VW Golf GLS TDI "The Hated Golf" (74,000 km) -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
