Re: [MBZ] W124 broken swaybar mount bracket
I've tried to find the swaybar mounts in the WSM - without success - anyone have better luck? Thx -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Peter Frederick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 broken swaybar mount bracket > All of them. > > I think it's worse if the bushings are beaten out of them. All of mine > broke around 250,000 miles. > > Just normal wear and tear. > > Peter > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.9/1197 - Release Date: > 12/25/2007 8:04 PM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 broken swaybar mount bracket
Thx for all the replies - I'm at 140k so damage would be premature - also, our 124 has been on smooth interstates most of the time AFAIK. Definately the last 55K miles though - my wife drove to work (50 mi ea way) on some of the nicest roads in the Commonwealth (Va). I'll check them next time I do a service - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Peter Frederick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 broken swaybar mount bracket >I am quite certain that impact load (rough roads) shorten the life of > the brackets. Normally don't fail until high milage, and mine sure > looked like a fatigue (stress corrosion) failure. They seem to break > at the 90 degree bend at the top or at the start of the "cup" on the > bottom, never anywhere else. > > Peter > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.9/1197 - Release Date: > 12/25/2007 8:04 PM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 broken swaybar mount bracket
Mine all broke up at the top near the 90. I welded a large thick washer to the front side of the mounting surface, then added some supporting ribs to reduce the flexing at that juncture. That was maybe two months ago, so we'll see how it holds up. I think it's the new speed bumps in my neighborhood that are the major source of the problem...other than the fact that I sometimes fail to slow down sufficiently. Really, I'm the source of the problem, but I digress... On Dec 26, 2007 9:11 AM, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am quite certain that impact load (rough roads) shorten the life of > the brackets. Normally don't fail until high milage, and mine sure > looked like a fatigue (stress corrosion) failure. They seem to break > at the 90 degree bend at the top or at the start of the "cup" on the > bottom, never anywhere else. > > Peter > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 broken swaybar mount bracket
With that standard, I have 100K miles to go-but then there will be Boston potholes this spring. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 215K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles (FOR SALE) 1990 300D 2.5t 150K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 9:32 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 broken swaybar mount bracket All of them. I think it's worse if the bushings are beaten out of them. All of mine broke around 250,000 miles. Just normal wear and tear. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 broken swaybar mount bracket
I am quite certain that impact load (rough roads) shorten the life of the brackets. Normally don't fail until high milage, and mine sure looked like a fatigue (stress corrosion) failure. They seem to break at the 90 degree bend at the top or at the start of the "cup" on the bottom, never anywhere else. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 broken swaybar mount bracket
The brackets are fine on the wagon, which now has 225000 on it or so. Also has the heavier sway bar ends. Rubber was dead when I got it at 196,000. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 broken swaybar mount bracket
On Dec 26, 2007 6:32 AM, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think it's worse if the bushings are beaten out of them. All of mine > broke around 250,000 miles. > For what it's worth, my car has 214K mi and the suspension rubber was all original until a couple of years ago (when I swapped in 500E sway bars... wonder if that has something to do with the failure?). Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 broken swaybar mount bracket
All of them. I think it's worse if the bushings are beaten out of them. All of mine broke around 250,000 miles. Just normal wear and tear. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 broken swaybar mount bracket
Good question, Larry. I was wondering the same thing. Is there some association with high mileage? Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 215K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles (FOR SALE) 1990 300D 2.5t 155K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 8:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 broken swaybar mount bracket What kind of W124s does this happen on? I assume I should be checking my 91 300D 2.5t? Thx - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Peter Frederick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 broken swaybar mount bracket > BTDT, twice now in the same spot (different cars). The nut is welded > on, get new sway bar bushings (all four) and do the job once. > > Part is about $20. You cannot weld the old one, it's hardened spring > steel and will quickly fracture adjacent to the weld. > > One of mine broke at the botttom "cup" for the sway bar bushing, the > other broke at the bend on the top. The first one was quite noisy, the > second totally silent. > > Make sure you get the correct one, they are different side to side. > > Peter > > On Dec 25, 2007, at 10:10 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: > >> Well, this was a nice Christmas present: sudden banging and popping >> noises from the front right side of my 124. Attched picture shows the >> cause. The bracket connecting the inner sway bar mount to the body >> broke! >> >> I see in the online EPC that this is available as a separate part. I >> have a request in to Rusty for the price. (And if it's too many >> beans, I'll just have the old one welded.)My only question to the >> group is, how do I get it off? Am I going to regret unscrewing the >> bolt holding the bracket to the "frame rail" just inside the wheel >> (big bolt head at the top of the picture)? I'm hoping that it just >> threads right into the body, but what if there's a nut on the other >> side that's going to come loose and rattle around in an inaccessible >> spot for all eternity? Anyone know, or done this fix before? >> >> Thanks (and Happy Festivus)! >> >> Alex Chamberlain >> '87 300D Turbo et al. >> -- next part -- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: 124 broken sway bar mount.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 559765 bytes >> Desc: not available >> Url : >> http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/ >> 20071225/8cd2d8f9/attachment.jpg >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.9/1197 - Release Date: > 12/25/2007 8:04 PM > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 broken swaybar mount bracket
What kind of W124s does this happen on? I assume I should be checking my 91 300D 2.5t? Thx - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Peter Frederick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 broken swaybar mount bracket > BTDT, twice now in the same spot (different cars). The nut is welded > on, get new sway bar bushings (all four) and do the job once. > > Part is about $20. You cannot weld the old one, it's hardened spring > steel and will quickly fracture adjacent to the weld. > > One of mine broke at the botttom "cup" for the sway bar bushing, the > other broke at the bend on the top. The first one was quite noisy, the > second totally silent. > > Make sure you get the correct one, they are different side to side. > > Peter > > On Dec 25, 2007, at 10:10 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: > >> Well, this was a nice Christmas present: sudden banging and popping >> noises from the front right side of my 124. Attched picture shows the >> cause. The bracket connecting the inner sway bar mount to the body >> broke! >> >> I see in the online EPC that this is available as a separate part. I >> have a request in to Rusty for the price. (And if it's too many >> beans, I'll just have the old one welded.)My only question to the >> group is, how do I get it off? Am I going to regret unscrewing the >> bolt holding the bracket to the "frame rail" just inside the wheel >> (big bolt head at the top of the picture)? I'm hoping that it just >> threads right into the body, but what if there's a nut on the other >> side that's going to come loose and rattle around in an inaccessible >> spot for all eternity? Anyone know, or done this fix before? >> >> Thanks (and Happy Festivus)! >> >> Alex Chamberlain >> '87 300D Turbo et al. >> -- next part -- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: 124 broken sway bar mount.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 559765 bytes >> Desc: not available >> Url : >> http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/ >> 20071225/8cd2d8f9/attachment.jpg >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.9/1197 - Release Date: > 12/25/2007 8:04 PM > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 broken swaybar mount bracket
On Dec 25, 2007 7:32 PM, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > BTDT, twice now in the same spot (different cars). The nut is welded > on, get new sway bar bushings (all four) and do the job once. > > Part is about $20. You cannot weld the old one, it's hardened spring > steel and will quickly fracture adjacent to the weld. > Thanks Peter and Casey. I looked closely at the unbroken side and saw what I believe are the beginnings of cracks in the same location, so I just ordered both sides from Rusty. Sway bar bushings are just a couple of years old, or I would do them too. Nice to know this is an easy fix for once! Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 broken swaybar mount bracket
BTDT, twice now in the same spot (different cars). The nut is welded on, get new sway bar bushings (all four) and do the job once. Part is about $20. You cannot weld the old one, it's hardened spring steel and will quickly fracture adjacent to the weld. One of mine broke at the botttom "cup" for the sway bar bushing, the other broke at the bend on the top. The first one was quite noisy, the second totally silent. Make sure you get the correct one, they are different side to side. Peter On Dec 25, 2007, at 10:10 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: > Well, this was a nice Christmas present: sudden banging and popping > noises from the front right side of my 124. Attched picture shows the > cause. The bracket connecting the inner sway bar mount to the body > broke! > > I see in the online EPC that this is available as a separate part. I > have a request in to Rusty for the price. (And if it's too many > beans, I'll just have the old one welded.)My only question to the > group is, how do I get it off? Am I going to regret unscrewing the > bolt holding the bracket to the "frame rail" just inside the wheel > (big bolt head at the top of the picture)? I'm hoping that it just > threads right into the body, but what if there's a nut on the other > side that's going to come loose and rattle around in an inaccessible > spot for all eternity? Anyone know, or done this fix before? > > Thanks (and Happy Festivus)! > > Alex Chamberlain > '87 300D Turbo et al. > -- next part -- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 124 broken sway bar mount.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 559765 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : > http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/ > 20071225/8cd2d8f9/attachment.jpg > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 broken swaybar mount bracket
This is a very very common issue with the 124's--I've broken 3 in the last four years. I finally broke down and welded up and reinforced my last broken unit (last month). Rusty should have them for somewhere near $20. They just thread into the frame--very easy to replace--no worries. On Dec 25, 2007 8:10 AM, Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, this was a nice Christmas present: sudden banging and popping > noises from the front right side of my 124. Attched picture shows the > cause. The bracket connecting the inner sway bar mount to the body > broke! > > I see in the online EPC that this is available as a separate part. I > have a request in to Rusty for the price. (And if it's too many > beans, I'll just have the old one welded.)My only question to the > group is, how do I get it off? Am I going to regret unscrewing the > bolt holding the bracket to the "frame rail" just inside the wheel > (big bolt head at the top of the picture)? I'm hoping that it just > threads right into the body, but what if there's a nut on the other > side that's going to come loose and rattle around in an inaccessible > spot for all eternity? Anyone know, or done this fix before? > > Thanks (and Happy Festivus)! > > Alex Chamberlain > '87 300D Turbo et al. > -- next part -- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 124 broken sway bar mount.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 559765 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : > http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20071225/8cd2d8f9/attachment.jpg > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W124 broken swaybar mount bracket
Well, this was a nice Christmas present: sudden banging and popping noises from the front right side of my 124. Attched picture shows the cause. The bracket connecting the inner sway bar mount to the body broke! I see in the online EPC that this is available as a separate part. I have a request in to Rusty for the price. (And if it's too many beans, I'll just have the old one welded.)My only question to the group is, how do I get it off? Am I going to regret unscrewing the bolt holding the bracket to the "frame rail" just inside the wheel (big bolt head at the top of the picture)? I'm hoping that it just threads right into the body, but what if there's a nut on the other side that's going to come loose and rattle around in an inaccessible spot for all eternity? Anyone know, or done this fix before? Thanks (and Happy Festivus)! Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 124 broken sway bar mount.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 559765 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20071225/8cd2d8f9/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
