Re: [MBZ] W140 - 1999 S320 Opinions

2015-03-02 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
M104 in a w123 with a 5 speed sounds like a very interesting project!
Hey wait a minute, I thought you were Mr. Originality!!

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> On Feb 28, 2015, at 2:33 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The M104 is a wonderful engine.  I had one for years in my 95 E320 wagon.
> Smooth and powerful when you wind it out.  I always thought it would make
> an awesome engine to swap into something else.
> 
> Oddly enough, I have an opportunity to buy my old wagon back for cheap, now
> the the current teenage own is done smashing it into things.  I'm kinda
> tempted to buy it back, part it out, and put the engine in a W123 with a 5
> speed.
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Anyone familiar with the inline six?
>> 
>> I may go to Orlando tomorrow to look at this car.
>> 
>> 1999 S320, approximately 180,000 miles, one owner Florida car.  Dealer and
>> indie maintained, most service records. Everything works, cosmetics look
>> good, too.
>> 
>> I realize the S320 won't have all the bells and whistles of an S500, but
>> that's not a big deal to me. If anything, I'm most concerned about the
>> engine, as I know nothing about how this vintage inline six.
>> 
>> Anybody here familiar with them? Pitfalls? Things to look for?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] W140 - 1999 S320 Opinions

2015-03-02 Thread clay via Mercedes
They are underpowered for the chassis.  #1 boy drives the early w140 version, 
which gets terrible mileage.  May as well get a V8 and power, since you are not 
saving cash at the pump.  That said, you will save on valve related things and 
heads, since there is but one.  The '99 will have good wire harness, so that is 
a massive load off the shoulders.  The car itself will be much the same as the 
more well appointed examples in quality.  Fewer whistle to go south.

The early example in the w140 was taxing on the transmission.  By the '99, I 
think they worked that out, so you will have it mated much better so the engine 
is not over working the transmission while moving you down the road.  It is a 
fairly stout motor.  The 300se suffers from garbage wires, which are the 
biggest problem at the moment.  There is a headgasket that wants changing, and 
a fair oil leak out the gasket at the moment.   Early model is also NA, which I 
do not know if the later cars rectified with a turbo.  Maybe not.




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On Feb 27, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

> Anyone familiar with the inline six?
> 
> I may go to Orlando tomorrow to look at this car.
> 
> 1999 S320, approximately 180,000 miles, one owner Florida car.  Dealer and 
> indie maintained, most service records. Everything works, cosmetics look 
> good, too.
> 
> I realize the S320 won't have all the bells and whistles of an S500, but 
> that's not a big deal to me. If anything, I'm most concerned about the 
> engine, as I know nothing about how this vintage inline six.
> 
> Anybody here familiar with them? Pitfalls? Things to look for?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dan
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W140 - 1999 S320 Opinions

2015-02-28 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I was always very pleased with the M103 powered cars I've had, so I'm sure the 
M104 is as good or better, especially a 1999 model. 

I'm not a big one on speed or aggression when it comes to driving, so having 
the six versus the M119 wouldn't really matter a lot to me.  In fact, never 
having driven a W140 with a six I'm sort of curious how it performs.

My primary goal is to have a sedan, ideally a W140.  I've looked at a couple of 
E55 AMGs from 2000 and while they're nice cars I'm still leaning towards a W140.

Dan


> On Feb 28, 2015, at 2:33 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:
> 
> The M104 is a wonderful engine.  I had one for years in my 95 E320 wagon.  
> Smooth and powerful when you wind it out.  I always thought it would make an 
> awesome engine to swap into something else.
> 
> Oddly enough, I have an opportunity to buy my old wagon back for cheap, now 
> the the current teenage own is done smashing it into things.  I'm kinda 
> tempted to buy it back, part it out, and put the engine in a W123 with a 5 
> speed.  
> 
> Jaime
> 


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Re: [MBZ] W140 - 1999 S320 Opinions

2015-02-28 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 14:33:29 -0500 Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
 wrote:

> The M104 is a wonderful engine.  I had one for years in my 95 E320
> wagon. Smooth and powerful when you wind it out.  I always thought it
> would make an awesome engine to swap into something else.

I second that! Great engine! I was surprised how much get-up-and-go it had
when I had to pass someone on my way back from Wichita after buying our
'95 E320 from Don Snook.


> Oddly enough, I have an opportunity to buy my old wagon back for cheap,
> now the the current teenage own is done smashing it into things.  I'm
> kinda tempted to buy it back, part it out, and put the engine in a W123
> with a 5 speed.

Now that would be an interesting combination.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] W140 - 1999 S320 Opinions

2015-02-28 Thread Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
The M104 is a wonderful engine.  I had one for years in my 95 E320 wagon.
Smooth and powerful when you wind it out.  I always thought it would make
an awesome engine to swap into something else.

Oddly enough, I have an opportunity to buy my old wagon back for cheap, now
the the current teenage own is done smashing it into things.  I'm kinda
tempted to buy it back, part it out, and put the engine in a W123 with a 5
speed.

Jaime


On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Anyone familiar with the inline six?
>
> I may go to Orlando tomorrow to look at this car.
>
> 1999 S320, approximately 180,000 miles, one owner Florida car.  Dealer and
> indie maintained, most service records. Everything works, cosmetics look
> good, too.
>
> I realize the S320 won't have all the bells and whistles of an S500, but
> that's not a big deal to me. If anything, I'm most concerned about the
> engine, as I know nothing about how this vintage inline six.
>
> Anybody here familiar with them? Pitfalls? Things to look for?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan
>
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Re: [MBZ] W140 - 1999 S320 Opinions

2015-02-28 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
It's a SWB as far as I can tell at this point. I haven't attempted to decode 
the VIN yet.

S320s don't seem to bring all that much around here, probably for the reasons 
one would expect - comparing them to an S500.

What I found weird was that Kelley and Edmunds' prices are pretty low on these 
models, but NADA is considerably higher for some reason.  Fortunately for me, 
there are several in the same area as the one I'm looking at that are priced 
similarly but are better cars relative to mileage.

We'll see...

Dan

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> On Feb 28, 2015, at 1:11 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Great color and good price.  This black LWB '99 S320 with 178K miles is going 
> for $4,700.
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-S-Class-S320-1999-mercedes-benz-s-320-long-wheel-base-lwb-black-on-black-sedan-s-320-/111606982881?forcerrptr=true&hash=item19fc4b68e1&item=111606982881&pt=US_Cars_Trucks
> 
>> On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 12:58 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> Dark Blue.
>> 
>> I have two older W140s in my current fleet, both with over 270,000.  This 
>> has around 180,000.  Hardly broke in by my standards.
>> 
>> Looks like we might not be able to get together this weekend, which works 
>> for me.  If it’s still for sale next weekend I’ll be able to drive a harder 
>> bargain if it’s worthy.  I’m in no rush, so time is on my side.  There will 
>> be others,, as well...
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> > On Feb 28, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > You didn't mention the color, which would be a very important factor
>> > influencing whether I would bother to even look.
>> >
>> > Also, since it's not a diesel, the high mileage is a potential disqualifier
>> > regardless of color
>> >
>> > On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Tom Savage via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> 
>>  Anyone familiar with the inline six?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Isn't it the same v6 as my 1999 e320?
>> >>
>> >> The M104 lasted in the 140 all the way to the end. Nice engine but the
>> >> minimum you'd want in such a car.
>> >>
>> >> Unless you can find an S280 with a stick like Princess Diana.
>> >>
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Re: [MBZ] W140 - 1999 S320 Opinions

2015-02-28 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Great color and good price.  This black LWB '99 S320 with 178K miles is
going for $4,700.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-S-Class-S320-1999-mercedes-benz-s-320-long-wheel-base-lwb-black-on-black-sedan-s-320-/111606982881?forcerrptr=true&hash=item19fc4b68e1&item=111606982881&pt=US_Cars_Trucks

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> Dark Blue.
>
> I have two older W140s in my current fleet, both with over 270,000.  This
> has around 180,000.  Hardly broke in by my standards.
>
> Looks like we might not be able to get together this weekend, which works
> for me.  If it’s still for sale next weekend I’ll be able to drive a harder
> bargain if it’s worthy.  I’m in no rush, so time is on my side.  There will
> be others,, as well...
>
> Dan
>
>
> > On Feb 28, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > You didn't mention the color, which would be a very important factor
> > influencing whether I would bother to even look.
> >
> > Also, since it's not a diesel, the high mileage is a potential
> disqualifier
> > regardless of color
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Tom Savage via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> 
>  Anyone familiar with the inline six?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Isn't it the same v6 as my 1999 e320?
> >>
> >> The M104 lasted in the 140 all the way to the end. Nice engine but the
> >> minimum you'd want in such a car.
> >>
> >> Unless you can find an S280 with a stick like Princess Diana.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] W140 - 1999 S320 Opinions

2015-02-28 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
The M104 is almost as robust as the OM603, neither has lower end  
problems at less that 500k miles unless abused.  All the troubles I  
know about are valve train or head gasket related.  You should not be  
able to wear them out in normal use.


A six is a bit underpowered for that chassis, but the way I drive  
anymore it wouldn't matter other than the poor gas milage.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] W140 - 1999 S320 Opinions

2015-02-28 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Dark Blue.

I have two older W140s in my current fleet, both with over 270,000.  This has 
around 180,000.  Hardly broke in by my standards.

Looks like we might not be able to get together this weekend, which works for 
me.  If it’s still for sale next weekend I’ll be able to drive a harder bargain 
if it’s worthy.  I’m in no rush, so time is on my side.  There will be others,, 
as well...

Dan


> On Feb 28, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You didn't mention the color, which would be a very important factor
> influencing whether I would bother to even look.
> 
> Also, since it's not a diesel, the high mileage is a potential disqualifier
> regardless of color
> 
> On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Tom Savage via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
 
 Anyone familiar with the inline six?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Isn't it the same v6 as my 1999 e320?
>> 
>> The M104 lasted in the 140 all the way to the end. Nice engine but the
>> minimum you'd want in such a car.
>> 
>> Unless you can find an S280 with a stick like Princess Diana.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W140 - 1999 S320 Opinions

2015-02-28 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
You didn't mention the color, which would be a very important factor
influencing whether I would bother to even look.

Also, since it's not a diesel, the high mileage is a potential disqualifier
regardless of color

On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Tom Savage via Mercedes <
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> >>
> >> Anyone familiar with the inline six?
> >
> >
> > Isn't it the same v6 as my 1999 e320?
>
> The M104 lasted in the 140 all the way to the end. Nice engine but the
> minimum you'd want in such a car.
>
> Unless you can find an S280 with a stick like Princess Diana.
>
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Re: [MBZ] W140 - 1999 S320 Opinions

2015-02-28 Thread Tom Savage via Mercedes
>>
>> Anyone familiar with the inline six?
>
>
> Isn't it the same v6 as my 1999 e320?

The M104 lasted in the 140 all the way to the end. Nice engine but the
minimum you'd want in such a car.

Unless you can find an S280 with a stick like Princess Diana.

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] W140 - 1999 S320 Opinions

2015-02-27 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Anyone familiar with the inline six?


Isn't it the same v6 as my 1999 e320?

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Re: [MBZ] W140 - 1999 S320 Opinions

2015-02-27 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Only problem is leaking front seals so far as I know, and the fix  
requires a head gasket, unlike the M103.  Haven't heard of any other  
issues not related to unreliable computers.


A bigger job to change a heater core than a W124 though, my brother is  
most of the way through doing that right now.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] W140 - 1999 S320 Opinions

2015-02-27 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
So is this a V6 or an inline 6?  I'm confused.

Dan


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>> They want $2900 but I can probably get it for $2500.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 27, 2015, at 4:55 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> They are fine but unless it's cheap they usually are about the same price 
>>> as a 420 or 500 and get about the same mileage with way less power
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Re: [MBZ] W140 - 1999 S320 Opinions

2015-02-27 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Ok if it's in good shape I would jump on it.

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> They want $2900 but I can probably get it for $2500.
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> Dan
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>> On Feb 27, 2015, at 4:55 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
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>> They are fine but unless it's cheap they usually are about the same price as 
>> a 420 or 500 and get about the same mileage with way less power
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Re: [MBZ] W140 - 1999 S320 Opinions

2015-02-27 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
They want $2900 but I can probably get it for $2500.

Dan


> On Feb 27, 2015, at 4:55 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
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> They are fine but unless it's cheap they usually are about the same price as 
> a 420 or 500 and get about the same mileage with way less power
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Re: [MBZ] W140 - 1999 S320 Opinions

2015-02-27 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
They are fine but unless it's cheap they usually are about the same price as a 
420 or 500 and get about the same mileage with way less power

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> Anyone familiar with the inline six?
> 
> I may go to Orlando tomorrow to look at this car.
> 
> 1999 S320, approximately 180,000 miles, one owner Florida car.  Dealer and 
> indie maintained, most service records. Everything works, cosmetics look 
> good, too.
> 
> I realize the S320 won't have all the bells and whistles of an S500, but 
> that's not a big deal to me. If anything, I'm most concerned about the 
> engine, as I know nothing about how this vintage inline six.
> 
> Anybody here familiar with them? Pitfalls? Things to look for?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dan
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[MBZ] W140 - 1999 S320 Opinions

2015-02-27 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Anyone familiar with the inline six?

I may go to Orlando tomorrow to look at this car.

1999 S320, approximately 180,000 miles, one owner Florida car.  Dealer and 
indie maintained, most service records. Everything works, cosmetics look good, 
too.

I realize the S320 won't have all the bells and whistles of an S500, but that's 
not a big deal to me. If anything, I'm most concerned about the engine, as I 
know nothing about how this vintage inline six.

Anybody here familiar with them? Pitfalls? Things to look for?

Thanks,

Dan

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