Re: [MBZ] Whinging

2019-12-28 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
>
> So the loophole seems to be mailing a firearm.


That is NOT the 'loophole'.   Unless YOU are the US Gov't, you'd better not
try.

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Re: [MBZ] Whinging

2019-12-28 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Prices start at $650.
A bit more than they cost 25 years ago. 
https://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/rifle_sales/m1-garand/

> On December 28, 2019 at 5:19 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
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> 
> I would like them to mail me a Garand. How can I arrange this?

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Re: [MBZ] Whinging

2019-12-28 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
I’ve left my gun in the car at the PO, never thought about the property aspect. 
I’m sure there are a lot of criminals around here. 

I’m not sure what having a weapon in the PO would do for you, at ours it is 
hard to see any signs of life from the “workers” there anyway. 

--FT
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> On Dec 28, 2019, at 7:27 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So the loophole seems to be mailing a firearm.  Maybe get together the
> paperwork and box with your home address on it, unload and stuff the weapon
> in the box, carry it all to / from the PO as needed.  If challenged, "Hey I
> was thinking about mailing this weapon, but I changed my mind.".
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 1:57 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I picked up my Garand at the PO.  Clinton's administration mailed it to me.
>> That's the only exception I know of.  The Law is an Ass.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Whinging

2019-12-28 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
So the loophole seems to be mailing a firearm.  Maybe get together the
paperwork and box with your home address on it, unload and stuff the weapon
in the box, carry it all to / from the PO as needed.  If challenged, "Hey I
was thinking about mailing this weapon, but I changed my mind.".
-
Max
Charleston SC


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> I picked up my Garand at the PO.  Clinton's administration mailed it to me.
> That's the only exception I know of.  The Law is an Ass.
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Whinging

2019-12-28 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
Vote for H->illary!

--FT
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> On Dec 28, 2019, at 5:20 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I would like them to mail me a Garand. How can I arrange this?
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Dec 28, 2019, at 1:56 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I picked up my Garand at the PO.  Clinton's administration mailed it to me.
>> That's the only exception I know of.  The Law is an Ass.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Whinging

2019-12-28 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I would like them to mail me a Garand. How can I arrange this?

-D


> On Dec 28, 2019, at 1:56 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
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> I picked up my Garand at the PO.  Clinton's administration mailed it to me.
> That's the only exception I know of.  The Law is an Ass.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Whinging

2019-12-27 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
I picked up my Garand at the PO.  Clinton's administration mailed it to me.
That's the only exception I know of.  The Law is an Ass.

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Re: [MBZ] Whinging

2019-12-27 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Fri, 27 Dec 2019 11:12:14 -0500 (EST) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> 
> > On December 27, 2019 at 12:10 AM Larry Turner via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > I always thought the PO sticker concerning weapons was ambiguous.  It 
> > sounded like they were "banned except for lawful purposes". 
> There's federal law, and there's federal regulations which contradict
> federal law but appellate courts uphold them anyway:
> https://www.usacarry.com/carrying-concealed-post-office/ Most people
> can agree it’s illegal to carry concealed inside a Post Office.
> 
> I say “most,” because there are a good number of people who think it is
> legal. You see, the United States Code (18 U.S.C. 930) that deals with
> firearms in federal buildings has a section that says there are certain
> times you can carry concealed in a federal building… “The lawful
> carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility
> incident to hunting or other lawful purposes.”
> 
> People argue that “other lawful purposes” means we can carry for
> personal protection because we have a valid concealed carry permit.
> From what my lawyer has told me and from all of the research I have
> done this is NOT true.
> 
> In fact, the Code of Federal Regulations – Title 39 – which is named
> “Conduct on Postal Property” says “No person while on postal property
> may carry firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives,
> either openly or concealed, or store the same on postal property,
> except for official purposes.” So hopefully you understand that you
> cannot carry concealed inside the Post Office…
> 
> But that’s not my main concern and not why I wrote this today. The
> reason I wrote this and the big mistake people make is that you’re not
> even allowed to have your gun on Post Office Property. In other words,
> when you pull into the parking lot and toss your gun into the glove
> compartment while you go mail a letter, you are breaking the law.
> 
> I realize that may sound “dumb” and hard to believe, but the above
> Title 39 paragraph clearly states “on postal property, except for
> official purposes.” Now, I had a student who told me that a friend of
> theirs got arrested in the Post Office parking lot when a police
> officer watched him put his gun in his glove box…
> 
> But the most significant proof I found is what actually happened to a
> postal employee. A fellow named Clarence Dorosan used to store his gun
> in his car while he went to work each day. Somehow, one of this
> supervisors found out he had a gun in his car, and he was arrested and
> fired for having a gun on the property. I’ve added appellate ruling
> where the judges upheld his original conviction below this article.

The last paragraph of the article at
https://www.usacarry.com/carrying-concealed-post-office/ says,

So since you cannot even carry onto the Post Office parking lot,
what should you do? Obviously, one option is to leave your gun
at home if you know you’ve got to stop by the Post Office. But
where I live there is a restaurant next to the Post Office, so
I always park in the restaurant parking lot and stash my gun in
the glove box and then walk over when I need to send a package
or mail a letter. Yes, it’s nonsense, but unfortunately, many
laws are.


Craig




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Re: [MBZ] Whinging

2019-12-27 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

> On December 27, 2019 at 12:10 AM Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I always thought the PO sticker concerning weapons was ambiguous.  It 
> sounded like they were "banned except for lawful purposes". 
There's federal law, and there's federal regulations which contradict federal 
law but appellate courts uphold them anyway:
https://www.usacarry.com/carrying-concealed-post-office/
Most people can agree it’s illegal to carry concealed inside a Post Office.

I say “most,” because there are a good number of people who think it is legal. 
You see, the United States Code (18 U.S.C. 930) that deals with firearms in 
federal buildings has a section that says there are certain times you can carry 
concealed in a federal building… “The lawful carrying of firearms or other 
dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful 
purposes.”

People argue that “other lawful purposes” means we can carry for personal 
protection because we have a valid concealed carry permit. From what my lawyer 
has told me and from all of the research I have done this is NOT true.

In fact, the Code of Federal Regulations – Title 39 – which is named “Conduct 
on Postal Property” says “No person while on postal property may carry 
firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either openly or 
concealed, or store the same on postal property, except for official purposes.”
So hopefully you understand that you cannot carry concealed inside the Post 
Office…

But that’s not my main concern and not why I wrote this today. The reason I 
wrote this and the big mistake people make is that you’re not even allowed to 
have your gun on Post Office Property. In other words, when you pull into the 
parking lot and toss your gun into the glove compartment while you go mail a 
letter, you are breaking the law.

I realize that may sound “dumb” and hard to believe, but the above Title 39 
paragraph clearly states “on postal property, except for official purposes.” 
Now, I had a student who told me that a friend of theirs got arrested in the 
Post Office parking lot when a police officer watched him put his gun in his 
glove box…

But the most significant proof I found is what actually happened to a postal 
employee. A fellow named Clarence Dorosan used to store his gun in his car 
while he went to work each day. Somehow, one of this supervisors found out he 
had a gun in his car, and he was arrested and fired for having a gun on the 
property. I’ve added appellate ruling where the judges upheld his original 
conviction below this article.

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Re: [MBZ] Whinging

2019-12-26 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
As I recall, it is illegal for ordinary citizens to carry firearms on post
office property.  Ambiguous signs are no excuse.

On Fri, Dec 27, 2019, 00:17 OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Does the phrase "go postal" ring any bells?
>
> On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 11:11 PM Larry Turner via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I always thought the PO sticker concerning weapons was ambiguous.  It
> > sounded like they were "banned except for lawful purposes". IMO, me
> > having a CCW permits gives me legal rights to carry on USPS grounds,
> > unless I go in to stick up the place, or am I reading that wrong?
> > Granted I'd hate to have to spend $50k in lawyer fees to contest it in
> > court but logically I think I'm correct.
> > I know our wonderful government lacks the use of Logic but it seems I
> > might be right...
> >
> > I know private citizens can create gun free zones but I didn't know the
> > USPS was a "Target rich environment" (otherwise known as a gun free
> zone).
> >
> > LarryT
> > 06 E350
> >
> > On 10/19/2019 12:33 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> > > Postal regulations passed by bureaucrats carry the weight of federal
> > law. If you go to a post office without street parking, you're unarmed
> for
> > the entire trip or you're a federal felon, because guns are banned on all
> > USPS property, including parking lots. I suppose you could just leave
> your
> > gun in the street before you drive into the lot.
> > >
> > > In the matter of your package, I think it goes back if not picked up in
> > ten days.
> > > Mitch.
> > >
> > >> On October 19, 2019 at 12:27 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> The whole point is not having to deal with the PO, the local is
> totally
> > >> useless, some Soviet-style bureaucracy starting before you even walk
> in
> > >> the door. NO CONCEALED WEAPONS ALLOWED.
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> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
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Re: [MBZ] Whinging

2019-12-26 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Does the phrase "go postal" ring any bells?

On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 11:11 PM Larry Turner via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I always thought the PO sticker concerning weapons was ambiguous.  It
> sounded like they were "banned except for lawful purposes". IMO, me
> having a CCW permits gives me legal rights to carry on USPS grounds,
> unless I go in to stick up the place, or am I reading that wrong?
> Granted I'd hate to have to spend $50k in lawyer fees to contest it in
> court but logically I think I'm correct.
> I know our wonderful government lacks the use of Logic but it seems I
> might be right...
>
> I know private citizens can create gun free zones but I didn't know the
> USPS was a "Target rich environment" (otherwise known as a gun free zone).
>
> LarryT
> 06 E350
>
> On 10/19/2019 12:33 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> > Postal regulations passed by bureaucrats carry the weight of federal
> law. If you go to a post office without street parking, you're unarmed for
> the entire trip or you're a federal felon, because guns are banned on all
> USPS property, including parking lots. I suppose you could just leave your
> gun in the street before you drive into the lot.
> >
> > In the matter of your package, I think it goes back if not picked up in
> ten days.
> > Mitch.
> >
> >> On October 19, 2019 at 12:27 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> The whole point is not having to deal with the PO, the local is totally
> >> useless, some Soviet-style bureaucracy starting before you even walk in
> >> the door. NO CONCEALED WEAPONS ALLOWED.
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Re: [MBZ] Whinging

2019-12-26 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
I always thought the PO sticker concerning weapons was ambiguous.  It 
sounded like they were "banned except for lawful purposes". IMO, me 
having a CCW permits gives me legal rights to carry on USPS grounds, 
unless I go in to stick up the place, or am I reading that wrong? 
Granted I'd hate to have to spend $50k in lawyer fees to contest it in 
court but logically I think I'm correct.
I know our wonderful government lacks the use of Logic but it seems I 
might be right...


I know private citizens can create gun free zones but I didn't know the 
USPS was a "Target rich environment" (otherwise known as a gun free zone).


LarryT
06 E350

On 10/19/2019 12:33 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Postal regulations passed by bureaucrats carry the weight of federal law. If 
you go to a post office without street parking, you're unarmed for the entire 
trip or you're a federal felon, because guns are banned on all USPS property, 
including parking lots. I suppose you could just leave your gun in the street 
before you drive into the lot.

In the matter of your package, I think it goes back if not picked up in ten 
days.
Mitch.


On October 19, 2019 at 12:27 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:


The whole point is not having to deal with the PO, the local is totally
useless, some Soviet-style bureaucracy starting before you even walk in
the door. NO CONCEALED WEAPONS ALLOWED.

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Re: [MBZ] Whinging

2019-10-19 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 19 Oct 2019 15:36:39 -0400 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Actually Priyanka did the web chat and had “Happy” ring me to sort it
> out. At least Amazon sorta did ok. 

So "Priyanka" and "Happy" are on-line monikers?


Craig

> --FT
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> 
> > On Oct 19, 2019, at 12:48 PM, Craig via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > On Sat, 19 Oct 2019 12:27:37 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> >> I got hold of Amazon, told them to deal with it, Priyanka refunded
> >> my money.  The package will probably show up Monday on my porch...
> > 
> > Priyanka?

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Re: [MBZ] Whinging

2019-10-19 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
Actually Priyanka did the web chat and had “Happy” ring me to sort it out. At 
least Amazon sorta did ok. 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2019, at 12:48 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 19 Oct 2019 12:27:37 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> I got hold of Amazon, told them to deal with it, Priyanka refunded my 
>> money.  The package will probably show up Monday on my porch...
> 
> Priyanka?
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Whinging

2019-10-19 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 19 Oct 2019 12:27:37 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I got hold of Amazon, told them to deal with it, Priyanka refunded my 
> money.  The package will probably show up Monday on my porch...

Priyanka?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Whinging

2019-10-19 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Postal regulations passed by bureaucrats carry the weight of federal law. If 
you go to a post office without street parking, you're unarmed for the entire 
trip or you're a federal felon, because guns are banned on all USPS property, 
including parking lots. I suppose you could just leave your gun in the street 
before you drive into the lot.

In the matter of your package, I think it goes back if not picked up in ten 
days. 
Mitch.

> On October 19, 2019 at 12:27 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> The whole point is not having to deal with the PO, the local is totally 
> useless, some Soviet-style bureaucracy starting before you even walk in 
> the door. NO CONCEALED WEAPONS ALLOWED.

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Re: [MBZ] Whinging

2019-10-19 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
The whole point is not having to deal with the PO, the local is totally 
useless, some Soviet-style bureaucracy starting before you even walk in 
the door. NO CONCEALED WEAPONS ALLOWED.   WAIT IN LINE UNTIL CALLED.   
STAND BEHIND LINE UNTIL CALLED.  DO NOT PLACE ITEMS ON COUNTER.  And 
their hours are abysmal.  It's worse than the DMV.


I got hold of Amazon, told them to deal with it, Priyanka refunded my 
money.  The package will probably show up Monday on my porch...


Headed to Advance Auto while I'm out on errands, will be $4 cheaper 
anyway.  Gonna go drop the Benz battery with the broken neg post from 
the $600E320 at the stealer, see if I can get any credit on a new one.


--FT

On 10/19/19 12:14 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Sat, 19 Oct 2019 11:56:23 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:


Now the mailbox is probably not big enough, but the worthless USPS
"worker" couldn't be arsed to drive down my driveway and leave it on
the porch like has been done many times before.  So they leave a note I
can go to the PO to pick it up.  The PO hours are stupid and the people
who work there are stupid so that is inconvenient and a pain in the
arse too.

Can you complain to the Postmaster? I have found dealing with the
Postmaster to be helpful here in Moriarty.

Do you have to go to the Post Office to refuse the package and have them
send it back where it came from?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Whinging

2019-10-19 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 19 Oct 2019 11:56:23 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Now the mailbox is probably not big enough, but the worthless USPS
> "worker" couldn't be arsed to drive down my driveway and leave it on
> the porch like has been done many times before.  So they leave a note I
> can go to the PO to pick it up.  The PO hours are stupid and the people
> who work there are stupid so that is inconvenient and a pain in the
> arse too.

Can you complain to the Postmaster? I have found dealing with the
Postmaster to be helpful here in Moriarty.

Do you have to go to the Post Office to refuse the package and have them
send it back where it came from?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Whinging

2019-10-19 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
That’s too bad. I love our postal carriers, they’re both great guys and will 
always leave stuff in a safe place. Granted, my vast estate is maybe 40 feet 
from the curb, but….

I also like that they’ll come to the door and ring the bell for Priority Mail 
packages when I have one to go out. I just leave the flag up and stick a little 
note saying I’ve got a package for pickup and they come right up and get it.

That being said, I regularly give them (cold) bottled water when I see them and 
slip them a $20 around the holidays.

I had the same carrier for nearly 20 years, Miss Becky, and she rocked. Sadly, 
she had knee issues and finally bailed because of them. We loved Miss Becky.

I was at the PO today to pick up a certified letter from my HOA bitching about 
the oil stains on my driveway (bite me) and the guys at the windows were all 
younger veterans who were pretty raucous. Long beards that were in braids, 
major tats, etc. If you saw one of them in a bar you’d think they were gang 
bangers or bikers. Nice guys.

-D


> On Oct 19, 2019, at 11:56 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I wanted to change the rear diff fluid on the $600E320, ordered some from the 
> large wimmins.  Get a notice will be delivered yesterday, which wasn't 2 day 
> prime but whatever.  So then yesterday about noon I'm sitting here, get a 
> message that the package couldn't be delivered at the vast estate because 
> there was no secure place to leave it.  Now the mailbox is probably not big 
> enough, but the worthless USPS "worker" couldn't be arsed to drive down my 
> driveway and leave it on the porch like has been done many times before.  So 
> they leave a note I can go to the PO to pick it up.  The PO hours are stupid 
> and the people who work there are stupid so that is inconvenient and a pain 
> in the arse too.
> 
> I get the Advance Auto email this morning, I look and they have the stuff for 
> 20% less than my order, so I ordered that online and will go pick it up there 
> in awhile, which I could have done the other day anyway and saved all this 
> agita.  I'm gonna tell Amazon they can have their order back, let them deal 
> with it.
> 
> I hate the post office.
> 
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> --FT
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[MBZ] Whinging

2019-10-19 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
I wanted to change the rear diff fluid on the $600E320, ordered some 
from the large wimmins.  Get a notice will be delivered yesterday, which 
wasn't 2 day prime but whatever.  So then yesterday about noon I'm 
sitting here, get a message that the package couldn't be delivered at 
the vast estate because there was no secure place to leave it.  Now the 
mailbox is probably not big enough, but the worthless USPS "worker" 
couldn't be arsed to drive down my driveway and leave it on the porch 
like has been done many times before.  So they leave a note I can go to 
the PO to pick it up.  The PO hours are stupid and the people who work 
there are stupid so that is inconvenient and a pain in the arse too.


I get the Advance Auto email this morning, I look and they have the 
stuff for 20% less than my order, so I ordered that online and will go 
pick it up there in awhile, which I could have done the other day anyway 
and saved all this agita.  I'm gonna tell Amazon they can have their 
order back, let them deal with it.


I hate the post office.

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--FT


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