Re: [MBZ] Who wants a real 5 speed 300D?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Jim is probably right. If you dive into the technical specs books, you'll
that turbo Diesels with manual tranny's were sold elsewhere in the world,
just not here. Of course, it could be a simple as the MBUSA guys thinking
that manual tranny would harm the luxury image of MBs.

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 12:15 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
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> > MB claimed the turbo works so much better with the AT that they would
> not build a turbo with a manual trans.
>
> My recollection is that the justification for no turbos with a stickshift
> was that
> it was _emissions_ related, not anything functional.  In other words, blame
> gov't interference not engineering.  (As if a burp of NOx [?] at a shift
> was any
> significant, or even noticeable, addition to the _cumulative_ crud
> released in a
> day of driving.)
>
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Re: [MBZ] Who wants a real 5 speed 300D?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

So theoretically, the auction might not ever end?

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 3:06 PM dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> BaT has a “two minute timer”, that is, anyone placing a bid in the last
> two minutes of the auction resets the timer until no one bids for two
> minutes. Pretty much eliminates sniping.
>
> -D
>
> > On Mar 9, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I've owned several cars without AC so that doesn't bother me too much.
> >
> > But looking more closely at the photos, it looks like the whole car had
> > a cheap respray with little prep work. Cracked paint covered over and
> > overspray on the trim. Are BAT auctions like eBay where all the action
> > happens in the last 5 seconds? I'm guessing it will go well beyond my
> > limit for a sight-unseen purchase.
> >
> > Allan
> >
> > Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes  writes:
> >
> >> The lack of AC and the ugly repair done to the rear quarters with the
> black
> >> should keep the price down a bit.
> >>
> >>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:55 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 1985 300D Euro sedan selling at no reserve.  Not getting a lot of
> >>> interest.  Someone might be able to steal it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1985-mercedes-benz-300d-6/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2020-03-09
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Re: [MBZ] Who wants a real 5 speed 300D?

[dan--- via Mercedes]

BaT has a “two minute timer”, that is, anyone placing a bid in the last two 
minutes of the auction resets the timer until no one bids for two minutes. 
Pretty much eliminates sniping.

-D

> On Mar 9, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I've owned several cars without AC so that doesn't bother me too much.
> 
> But looking more closely at the photos, it looks like the whole car had
> a cheap respray with little prep work. Cracked paint covered over and
> overspray on the trim. Are BAT auctions like eBay where all the action
> happens in the last 5 seconds? I'm guessing it will go well beyond my
> limit for a sight-unseen purchase.
> 
> Allan
> 
> Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> The lack of AC and the ugly repair done to the rear quarters with the black
>> should keep the price down a bit.
>> 
>>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:55 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 1985 300D Euro sedan selling at no reserve.  Not getting a lot of
>>> interest.  Someone might be able to steal it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1985-mercedes-benz-300d-6/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2020-03-09
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Re: [MBZ] Who wants a real 5 speed 300D?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I've owned several cars without AC so that doesn't bother me too much.

But looking more closely at the photos, it looks like the whole car had
a cheap respray with little prep work. Cracked paint covered over and
overspray on the trim. Are BAT auctions like eBay where all the action
happens in the last 5 seconds? I'm guessing it will go well beyond my
limit for a sight-unseen purchase.

Allan

Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes  writes:

> The lack of AC and the ugly repair done to the rear quarters with the black
> should keep the price down a bit.
>
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:55 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>
>> 1985 300D Euro sedan selling at no reserve.  Not getting a lot of
>> interest.  Someone might be able to steal it.
>>
>>
>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1985-mercedes-benz-300d-6/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2020-03-09

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Re: [MBZ] Who wants a real 5 speed 300D?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I hadn't realized it was a NA diesel.  Pass.

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 2:01 PM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The lack of AC and the ugly repair done to the rear quarters with the black
> should keep the price down a bit.
>
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:55 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > 1985 300D Euro sedan selling at no reserve.  Not getting a lot of
> > interest.  Someone might be able to steal it.
> >
> >
> >
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1985-mercedes-benz-300d-6/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2020-03-09
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Re: [MBZ] Who wants a real 5 speed 300D?

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

The lack of AC and the ugly repair done to the rear quarters with the black
should keep the price down a bit.

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:55 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> 1985 300D Euro sedan selling at no reserve.  Not getting a lot of
> interest.  Someone might be able to steal it.
>
>
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1985-mercedes-benz-300d-6/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2020-03-09
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Re: [MBZ] Who wants a real 5 speed 300D?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> MB claimed the turbo works so much better with the AT that they would not 
> build a turbo with a manual trans.

My recollection is that the justification for no turbos with a stickshift was 
that
it was _emissions_ related, not anything functional.  In other words, blame
gov't interference not engineering.  (As if a burp of NOx [?] at a shift was any
significant, or even noticeable, addition to the _cumulative_ crud released in a
day of driving.)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Who wants a real 5 speed 300D?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Yeah I have an '83 300D that's kinda rusty and a potential engine/exhaust donor.

I never likeed the AT in those cars, they change up way to early to suit
my taste. I shift them manually from "S" to "D" most of the time.

Like the manual climate controls too

Allan

Curley McLain via Mercedes  writes:

> turbo engine is a bolt in, however MB claimed the turbo works so much 
> better with the AT that they would not build a turbo with a manual 
> trans.  (except in trucks)  I'm not sure how much of that I believe, but 
> I'll point out that the 500 to 5000 RPM range of the MB diesels in cars 
> is much greater than the something like 500 to 2500 RPM range of truck 
> engines.
>
> That said, many manual trans conversions to turbo engines have been done 
> in the USA with no apparent ill effects.
>
>> fmiser via Mercedes 
>> March 9, 2020 at 11:50 AM
>>> Allan wrote:
>>> Tempting -- anyone know if an OM617 turbo would be a "bolt in"
>>> upgrade or would it not mate up with the 5-speed?
>> A turbo 5 cylinder should bolt right in where an non-turbo
>> 5-cylinder came out.
>>
>> Exhaust will be different.  And I don't know what Euro   '85
>> cars have compared to USA, but the USA of that year have a number
>> of "advancements" that I don't like.  KLIMA relay, extra vacuum
>> thingies, and other stuff only used that year on OM617 motors.
>>
>> If I were to mess with it I would find a pre '85 doner car and if
>> necessary "down-convert" to something earlier.

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Re: [MBZ] Who wants a real 5 speed 300D?

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

It is located in RI.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020, 11:17 AM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
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> SWMBO thought I should bid on that. My first response was , “W hen did you
> start monitoring auction sites?”
>
> Bob R
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Mar 9, 2020, at 7:55 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > 1985 300D Euro sedan selling at no reserve.  Not getting a lot of
> > interest.  Someone might be able to steal it.
> >
> >
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1985-mercedes-benz-300d-6/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2020-03-09
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Re: [MBZ] Who wants a real 5 speed 300D?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

turbo engine is a bolt in, however MB claimed the turbo works so much 
better with the AT that they would not build a turbo with a manual 
trans.  (except in trucks)  I'm not sure how much of that I believe, but 
I'll point out that the 500 to 5000 RPM range of the MB diesels in cars 
is much greater than the something like 500 to 2500 RPM range of truck 
engines.


That said, many manual trans conversions to turbo engines have been done 
in the USA with no apparent ill effects.



fmiser via Mercedes 
March 9, 2020 at 11:50 AM

Allan wrote:
Tempting -- anyone know if an OM617 turbo would be a "bolt in"
upgrade or would it not mate up with the 5-speed?

A turbo 5 cylinder should bolt right in where an non-turbo
5-cylinder came out.

Exhaust will be different.  And I don't know what Euro  '85
cars have compared to USA, but the USA of that year have a number
of "advancements" that I don't like.  KLIMA relay, extra vacuum
thingies, and other stuff only used that year on OM617 motors.

If I were to mess with it I would find a pre '85 doner car and if
necessary "down-convert" to something earlier.

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Re: [MBZ] Who wants a real 5 speed 300D?

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Allan wrote:

> Tempting -- anyone know if an OM617 turbo would be a "bolt in"
> upgrade or would it not mate up with the 5-speed?

A turbo 5 cylinder should bolt right in where an non-turbo
5-cylinder came out.

Exhaust will be different.  And I don't know what Euro  '85
cars have compared to USA, but the USA of that year have a number
of "advancements" that I don't like.  KLIMA relay, extra vacuum
thingies, and other stuff only used that year on OM617 motors.

If I were to mess with it I would find a pre '85 doner car and if
necessary "down-convert" to something earlier.

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Re: [MBZ] Who wants a real 5 speed 300D?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Tempting -- anyone know if an OM617 turbo would be a "bolt in" upgrade
or would it not mate up with the 5-speed?

Allan

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:

> 1985 300D Euro sedan selling at no reserve.  Not getting a lot of
> interest.  Someone might be able to steal it.
>
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1985-mercedes-benz-300d-6/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2020-03-09
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Re: [MBZ] Who wants a real 5 speed 300D?

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

SWMBO thought I should bid on that. My first response was , “W hen did you 
start monitoring auction sites?”

Bob R

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> On Mar 9, 2020, at 7:55 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 1985 300D Euro sedan selling at no reserve.  Not getting a lot of
> interest.  Someone might be able to steal it.
> 
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1985-mercedes-benz-300d-6/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2020-03-09
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[MBZ] Who wants a real 5 speed 300D?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

1985 300D Euro sedan selling at no reserve.  Not getting a lot of
interest.  Someone might be able to steal it.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1985-mercedes-benz-300d-6/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2020-03-09
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