Re: [MBZ] diesel idling story

[Fmiser]

rumor has it that OK wrote:

> Ummm - that's what Google is for --
> 
> On 10/27/05, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > dangit, you're no help to the company I work for..


For the lazy, here a few links I found:



http://www.memagazine.org/backissues/jan05/features/idlehour/idlehour.html

 In an interesting twist, diesel auxiliary power units, or
APUs, if pressed into generating power for trucker comforts by the
California regulation, could end up producing more particulates than
their big diesel brothers, since the small units are essentially
unregulated. A CARB regulation may exempt new trucks that meet the
stricter standards from the idling restrictions.
##

http://www.heavydutytrucking.com/2005/06/098a0506.asp

Meanwhile, a recently formed industry group, the Idle Elimination
Manufacturers Assn., promotes the buying and using of such equipment
and supports legislative efforts to subsidize its use. For example, the
current federal highway funding bill includes a provision giving APU
owners a 250-pound exemption from the 80,000-pound weight limit, said
Rex Greer, president of Pony Pack Manufacturing and an IEMA member. But
he is not optimistic about the exemption surviving the congressional
vetting process. 
#

http://fleet.cygnus.proteus.com/publication/article.jsp?pubId=1&id=50

Ninety-four and a half million dollars—that's how much money has been
earmarked for the proliferation of idle-reduction technology for
heavy-duty trucks in the U.S. government's newly-enacted energy bill.



Lawrence points out that in addition to financial subsidies, the bill
also allows for a 400 pound weight exemption for the installation of
idle-reduction technologies.

###

And finally, the new law.
It looks like the law itself is not yet available from Thomas, but the
text of the bill as it past is available.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:h.r.6:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c109:6:./temp/~c109TABw5z::

**
Public law 109-58, Subtitle D, SEC. 756. REDUCTION OF ENGINE IDLING
 (c) Vehicle Weight Exemption- Section 127(a) of title 23, United States Code, 
is amended--

(12) HEAVY DUTY VEHICLES-

  `(A) IN GENERAL- Subject to subparagraphs (B) and (C), 
in order to promote reduction of fuel use and emissions because 
of engine idling, the maximum gross vehicle weight limit and the 
axle weight limit for any heavy-duty vehicle equipped with an 
idle reduction technology shall be increased by a quantity 
necessary to compensate for the additional weight of the idle 
reduction system.

  `(B) MAXIMUM WEIGHT INCREASE- The weight increase under 
subparagraph (A) shall be not greater than 400 pounds.

  `(C) PROOF- On request by a regulatory agency or law 
enforcement agency, the vehicle operator shall provide proof 
(through demonstration or certification) that--

`(i) the idle reduction technology is fully 
functional at all times; and

`(ii) the 400-pound gross weight increase is 
not used for any purpose other than 
the use of idle reduction technology 
described in subparagraph (A).'.

Re: [MBZ] diesel idling story

[Bill Gallagher]

http://www.espar.com/

http://www.eberspaecher.com/en/heiz/heiz.htm

BILL



Luther Gulseth wrote:

My company has what's called an Auxillary Power Unit (APU).  It is a small  
1 cyl diesel engine mounted right under the cab.  Is electronically  
controlled, has an a/c compressor, and heater core.  All controlled inside  
the bunk.  Uses 1/8 gallon diesel (from the main truck tanks) per hour.  A  
regular truck idles at about 1 gallon an hour.  I can't wait for the next  
8-12 months to be done and they start trading those trucks and I can buy  
one of these engines.


On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:06:47 -0500, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 


Gabriel S. wrote:
   


Poor truckers. I leave my car idling as much as possible just because
turning over a diesel seems harder than a gasser.

 





 

Re: [MBZ] diesel idling story

[OK Don]

Ummm - that's what Google is for --

On 10/27/05, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> dangit, you're no help to the company I work for..
>

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Re: [MBZ] diesel idling story

[redghost]

Rusty has lots of purge and LT Don is selling tune up on eBay, that is 
affirmative


On Thursday, October 27, 2005, at 07:49 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:


So Rusty has the Deisel Purge and we can get Italian Tuneups on eBay?
Is that right?

--R

Luther Gulseth wrote:

It is bad.  It lowers your fuel economy.  It causes build up of 
carbon on your injectors, prechambers, and in the piston chambers.  
This is bad and requires Diesel Purge (purchased from Rusty) and many 
"italian tuneups" to correct the problem.  Allowing the carbon build 
up to continue with out correcting the cause and cleaning it out can 
lead to the death of your engine.  It is bad.


Luther

-Original Message-
From: "Gabriel S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Oct 27, 2005 10:33 AM
To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] diesel idling story

Is leaving your diesel idling really all that bad? I suspect it 
isn't. I'll
tell you this much, my boat has a Straight 6 Volvo Diesel and I idle 
that
thing all day long when trolling for fish and still no ill effects. I 
don't
know what it is about my car, but even though she lights up on the 
first
crank I still find it harder to start than a gasser, who knows, maybe 
its
the effort required to turn the key on a Benz thats harder, all I can 
say is

that I tend to leave her running when possible.




Luther   KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (happily running diesel/WVO mix)
'82 300CD slate grey, black interior, 152,xxx mi

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Re: [MBZ] diesel idling story

[Marshall Booth]

TimothyPilgrim wrote:

So what is the number 1 reason?



With OM61x engines, it's critical that before temps drop below freezing
the valves be checked for sufficient clearance so that there is NO
leakage even at the coldest anticipated temperatures. Improperly
adjusted valves is the second most common cause of poor/no cold starting
reported in Mercedes OM61x or older diesels.


Failure of the preglow system, most often glow plug(s), glow plug fuse 
or rarely glow plug relay.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] diesel idling story

[TimothyPilgrim]

So what is the number 1 reason?

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

> With OM61x engines, it's critical that before temps drop below freezing
> the valves be checked for sufficient clearance so that there is NO
> leakage even at the coldest anticipated temperatures. Improperly
> adjusted valves is the second most common cause of poor/no cold starting
> reported in Mercedes OM61x or older diesels.

Re: [MBZ] diesel idling story

[Marshall Booth]

Gabriel S. wrote:

Is leaving your diesel idling really all that bad? I suspect it isn't. I'll
tell you this much, my boat has a Straight 6 Volvo Diesel and I idle that
thing all day long when trolling for fish and still no ill effects. I don't
know what it is about my car, but even though she lights up on the first
crank I still find it harder to start than a gasser, who knows, maybe its
the effort required to turn the key on a Benz thats harder, all I can say is
that I tend to leave her running when possible.


Prolonged idling a diesel engine is NOT desirable. Mercedes cautioned in 
the owner's manual of my '60s diesels that if it was anticipated that 
the engine would be idling for more than 2 minutes, then the engine 
should be shut down and then restarted. The same is true of today's 
diesels. The running of diesels at very low loads has many damaging 
consequences both to the engine and to the environment. There are of 
course times when idling is necessary, but it should be done with the 
knowledge that the engine is likely to sustain much more wear/damage 
than if it were pulling a full load at near maximum speed.


As to your engine being "harder" to start than a gas car - that's 
largely because it's primarily spark that initiates combustion in a 
gasoline car while the combustion of a diesel is initiated by 
compression. A diesel engine must be tight enough to permit the 
compression to develop and the starter must work more than twice as hard 
in a Mercedes diesel vs a Mercedes gasoline car because of the greater 
compression ratio of the diesel.


For whatever reason, compared to other Mercedes diesels, OM601 engines 
are VERY easy to start in VERY cold weather (most will start on the 1st 
compression stroke of the first cylinder once the plugs approach 1100 
deg. C), OM602s are harder to start and OM603 engines are much harder to 
start. Most of the OM61x engines (both 4 and 5 cylinder) I've owned fell 
in with the 602 engines as far a starting ease goes. If you allow them 
sufficient time to reach maximal glow plug temp, they start on the 2nd 
or 3rd compression stroke (until temps get down to or below zero F).


I believe that the difference between the 4, 5 and 6 cylinder OM60x 
engines is because the battery, starter and the wiring capacity (current 
capacity) for the glow plugs are all the same in these engines. So the 
available battery power is divided into 4 cylinders for the 601 engine, 
into 5 cylinders for the 602 engine and into 6 cylinders for the 603 
engine. Remember, the voltage drop within the battery and wiring to the 
plugs dissipate almost 20% of the available power. The voltage drop 
within the battery (all the same sized batteries in MY cars) and wiring 
to the plugs is least in the 601 (going to 4 plugs) and most in the 603 
(going to 6 plugs). Finally, identical starters and batteries to power 
them are turning and generating compression  in 4, 5 and 6 cylinders 
every two revolutions resulting in the least load (and fastest cranking 
speed) for the 4 cylinder engine.


With OM61x engines, it's critical that before temps drop below freezing 
the valves be checked for sufficient clearance so that there is NO 
leakage even at the coldest anticipated temperatures. Improperly 
adjusted valves is the second most common cause of poor/no cold starting 
reported in Mercedes OM61x or older diesels.


Marshall
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Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
Department of Pharmacology  1300 BST
Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA
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Re: [MBZ] diesel idling story

[Luther Gulseth]

Tongue'n'cheek I hope.

-Original Message-
From: degcoast <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Oct 27, 2005 10:51 AM
To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] diesel idling story

Only on the Italian e-bay site,not the US one.
Dwight Giles
1979 240D auto 244k + miles
1990 300D 2.5t 127K miles
Wickford, RI


Luther   KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (happily running diesel/WVO mix)
'82 300CD slate grey, black interior, 152,xxx mi

Re: [MBZ] diesel idling story

[Luther Gulseth]

dangit, you're no help to the company I work for..

-Original Message-
From: Fmiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Oct 27, 2005 11:19 AM
To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] diesel idling story

rumor has it that Luther wrote:

> Hrm, interesting regulation changescan you provide links to the site?   
> I'm VERY interested
> 
> > However, I did read that
> > there is some proposed regulation changes that could make the weight
> > of an APU exempt from the trucks gross weight. This sound like good
> > motivation, but might be tricky to implement.

I think it was in print somewhere...

And it was in the last 6 months or so...

But that's all I rememeber. (old age forgetfulness, I'm sure)

Philip, whose much better at remembering data 
than where that data came from.


Luther   KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (happily running diesel/WVO mix)
'82 300CD slate grey, black interior, 152,xxx mi

Re: [MBZ] diesel idling story

[Rich Thomas]

Do they ship by UPS and do I have to pay some kind of broker fees and 
taxes (for the good of the country)?


--R

degcoast wrote:


Only on the Italian e-bay site,not the US one.
Dwight Giles
1979 240D auto 244k + miles
1990 300D 2.5t 127K miles
Wickford, RI

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Luther Gulseth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Mercedes mailing list" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] diesel idling story


 


So Rusty has the Deisel Purge and we can get Italian Tuneups on eBay?
Is that right?


   




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Re: [MBZ] diesel idling story

[Fmiser]

rumor has it that Luther wrote:

> Hrm, interesting regulation changescan you provide links to the site?   
> I'm VERY interested
> 
> > However, I did read that
> > there is some proposed regulation changes that could make the weight
> > of an APU exempt from the trucks gross weight. This sound like good
> > motivation, but might be tricky to implement.

I think it was in print somewhere...

And it was in the last 6 months or so...

But that's all I rememeber. (old age forgetfulness, I'm sure)

Philip, whose much better at remembering data 
than where that data came from.

Re: [MBZ] diesel idling story

[degcoast]

Only on the Italian e-bay site,not the US one.
Dwight Giles
1979 240D auto 244k + miles
1990 300D 2.5t 127K miles
Wickford, RI

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Luther Gulseth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Mercedes mailing list" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] diesel idling story



So Rusty has the Deisel Purge and we can get Italian Tuneups on eBay?
Is that right?

Re: [MBZ] diesel idling story

[Rich Thomas]

So Rusty has the Deisel Purge and we can get Italian Tuneups on eBay?  
Is that right?


--R

Luther Gulseth wrote:


It is bad.  It lowers your fuel economy.  It causes build up of carbon on your injectors, 
prechambers, and in the piston chambers.  This is bad and requires Diesel Purge 
(purchased from Rusty) and many "italian tuneups" to correct the problem.  
Allowing the carbon build up to continue with out correcting the cause and cleaning it 
out can lead to the death of your engine.  It is bad.

Luther

-Original Message-
From: "Gabriel S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Oct 27, 2005 10:33 AM
To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] diesel idling story

Is leaving your diesel idling really all that bad? I suspect it isn't. I'll
tell you this much, my boat has a Straight 6 Volvo Diesel and I idle that
thing all day long when trolling for fish and still no ill effects. I don't
know what it is about my car, but even though she lights up on the first
crank I still find it harder to start than a gasser, who knows, maybe its
the effort required to turn the key on a Benz thats harder, all I can say is
that I tend to leave her running when possible.




Luther   KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (happily running diesel/WVO mix)
'82 300CD slate grey, black interior, 152,xxx mi

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Re: [MBZ] diesel idling story

[Gabriel S.]

Ahhh ic...I do Italian Tuneups on a daily basis though...diesel purge? Gonna
have to pick me up a bottle of that.

On 10/27/05, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It is bad. It lowers your fuel economy. It causes build up of carbon on
> your injectors, prechambers, and in the piston chambers. This is bad and
> requires Diesel Purge (purchased from Rusty) and many "italian tuneups" to
> correct the problem. Allowing the carbon build up to continue with out
> correcting the cause and cleaning it out can lead to the death of your
> engine. It is bad.
>
> Luther
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Gabriel S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Oct 27, 2005 10:33 AM
> To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] diesel idling story
>
> Is leaving your diesel idling really all that bad? I suspect it isn't.
> I'll
> tell you this much, my boat has a Straight 6 Volvo Diesel and I idle that
> thing all day long when trolling for fish and still no ill effects. I
> don't
> know what it is about my car, but even though she lights up on the first
> crank I still find it harder to start than a gasser, who knows, maybe its
> the effort required to turn the key on a Benz thats harder, all I can say
> is
> that I tend to leave her running when possible.
>
>
>
>
> Luther KB5QHU
> Alma, Ark
> '83 300SD (happily running diesel/WVO mix)
> '82 300CD slate grey, black interior, 152,xxx mi
>
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Re: [MBZ] diesel idling story

[Luther Gulseth]

It is bad.  It lowers your fuel economy.  It causes build up of carbon on your 
injectors, prechambers, and in the piston chambers.  This is bad and requires 
Diesel Purge (purchased from Rusty) and many "italian tuneups" to correct the 
problem.  Allowing the carbon build up to continue with out correcting the 
cause and cleaning it out can lead to the death of your engine.  It is bad.

Luther

-Original Message-
From: "Gabriel S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Oct 27, 2005 10:33 AM
To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] diesel idling story

Is leaving your diesel idling really all that bad? I suspect it isn't. I'll
tell you this much, my boat has a Straight 6 Volvo Diesel and I idle that
thing all day long when trolling for fish and still no ill effects. I don't
know what it is about my car, but even though she lights up on the first
crank I still find it harder to start than a gasser, who knows, maybe its
the effort required to turn the key on a Benz thats harder, all I can say is
that I tend to leave her running when possible.




Luther   KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (happily running diesel/WVO mix)
'82 300CD slate grey, black interior, 152,xxx mi

Re: [MBZ] diesel idling story

[Gabriel S.]

Is leaving your diesel idling really all that bad? I suspect it isn't. I'll
tell you this much, my boat has a Straight 6 Volvo Diesel and I idle that
thing all day long when trolling for fish and still no ill effects. I don't
know what it is about my car, but even though she lights up on the first
crank I still find it harder to start than a gasser, who knows, maybe its
the effort required to turn the key on a Benz thats harder, all I can say is
that I tend to leave her running when possible.

 On 10/26/05, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Gabriel S. wrote:
> >Poor truckers. I leave my car idling as much as possible just because
> >turning over a diesel seems harder than a gasser.
> >
>
> I don't know...I think a diesel is actually *easier* to start than a
> gasser once it's warmed up. It's only cold starts that are tough. The
> most extreme examples of this are the normally-aspirated IDI VW diesels,
> which, when fully warmed up, will consistently fire on the first
> compression stroke, even with no glow cycle. I once push-started a
> friend's VW Dasher by hand after his starter failed, and we got it going
> by popping the clutch in reverse after I'd rolled it about five feet to
> build up momentum. Piece of cake.
>
> Idling for long periods is hard on diesels because it cokes up the
> injectors. The heat problem in sleeper cabs was actually solved long
> ago, though it requires some capital investment -- Stewart-Warner and
> several other companies make little diesel-fired furnaces for cab heat.
> Some of them can even preheat the coolant for cold starts. A/C in hot
> weather is a tougher problem, of course.
>
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Re: [MBZ] diesel idling story

[Mitch Haley]

Fmiser wrote:
> I did read that
> there is some proposed regulation changes that could make the weight
> of an APU exempt from the trucks gross weight. This sound like good
> motivation, but might be tricky to implement.

If your ultralight aircraft has a ballistic parachute, it can be heavier
than the normal limit. I believe the parachute adds about 25lb to the
weight limit. Maybe a APU equipped truck could be allowed an extra 300lb
or so?

Re: [MBZ] diesel idling story

[Luther Gulseth]

Hrm, interesting regulation changescan you provide links to the site?   
I'm VERY interested


On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:30:21 -0500, Fmiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


rumor has it that David wrote:


Idling for long periods is hard on diesels because it cokes up the
injectors.  The heat problem in sleeper cabs was actually solved long
ago, though it requires some capital investment -- Stewart-Warner and
several other companies make little diesel-fired furnaces for cab heat.
Some of them can even preheat the coolant for cold starts.  A/C in hot
weather is a tougher problem, of course.


There are small diesel-engined generators - usually called an "APU"
(auxiliary power unit). These provide heat for the sleeper and engine,
A/C for the sleeper, and are _much_ more efficient and clean then the
12-15L main engine.

The down side is space, cost, and weight.

Space isn't a big deal anymore, with the generous overall length
limits.

Cost isn't bad - partly 'cause an APU will decrease operating expenses
and so the cost can be recovered. Eventually.

Weight has been the big one. With a gross weight limit, the lighter
the truck is the more money-earning cargo it can haul. The weight of
an APU can then decrease the trucks earnings. However, I did read that
there is some proposed regulation changes that could make the weight
of an APU exempt from the trucks gross weight. This sound like good
motivation, but might be tricky to implement.

Philip, who dislikes using a sleeper
that's below freezing.





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'83 300SD (happily running WVO/diesel mix)
'82 300CD (Slate grey, black MBTex, WVO/D mix)
'82 300D '90 300E (both parts or can run??)

Re: [MBZ] diesel idling story

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yea, I want one too.

Luther Gulseth wrote:

My company has what's called an Auxillary Power Unit (APU).  It is a small  
1 cyl diesel engine mounted right under the cab.  Is electronically  
controlled, has an a/c compressor, and heater core.  All controlled inside  
the bunk.  Uses 1/8 gallon diesel (from the main truck tanks) per hour.  A  
regular truck idles at about 1 gallon an hour.  I can't wait for the next  
8-12 months to be done and they start trading those trucks and I can buy  
one of these engines.


On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:06:47 -0500, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Gabriel S. wrote:


Poor truckers. I leave my car idling as much as possible just because
turning over a diesel seems harder than a gasser.








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Re: [MBZ] diesel idling story

[Fmiser]

rumor has it that David wrote:

> Idling for long periods is hard on diesels because it cokes up the 
> injectors.  The heat problem in sleeper cabs was actually solved long 
> ago, though it requires some capital investment -- Stewart-Warner and 
> several other companies make little diesel-fired furnaces for cab heat. 
> Some of them can even preheat the coolant for cold starts.  A/C in hot 
> weather is a tougher problem, of course.

There are small diesel-engined generators - usually called an "APU"
(auxiliary power unit). These provide heat for the sleeper and engine,
A/C for the sleeper, and are _much_ more efficient and clean then the
12-15L main engine.

The down side is space, cost, and weight.

Space isn't a big deal anymore, with the generous overall length
limits.

Cost isn't bad - partly 'cause an APU will decrease operating expenses
and so the cost can be recovered. Eventually.

Weight has been the big one. With a gross weight limit, the lighter
the truck is the more money-earning cargo it can haul. The weight of
an APU can then decrease the trucks earnings. However, I did read that
there is some proposed regulation changes that could make the weight
of an APU exempt from the trucks gross weight. This sound like good
motivation, but might be tricky to implement.

Philip, who dislikes using a sleeper
that's below freezing.

Re: [MBZ] diesel idling story

[OK Don]

Sounds like a good candidate for a Diesel/electric setup -- I want one also.

On 10/26/05, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My company has what's called an Auxillary Power Unit (APU).  It is a small
> 1 cyl diesel engine mounted right under the cab.  Is electronically
> controlled, has an a/c compressor, and heater core.  All controlled inside
> the bunk.  Uses 1/8 gallon diesel (from the main truck tanks) per hour.  A
> regular truck idles at about 1 gallon an hour.  I can't wait for the next
> 8-12 months to be done and they start trading those trucks and I can buy
> one of these engines.
>

--
OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
'87 300SDL,  '81 240D,  '78 450SLC
The FSM created the Diesel Benz
http://www.venganza.org/

Re: [MBZ] diesel idling story

[Luther Gulseth]

My company has what's called an Auxillary Power Unit (APU).  It is a small  
1 cyl diesel engine mounted right under the cab.  Is electronically  
controlled, has an a/c compressor, and heater core.  All controlled inside  
the bunk.  Uses 1/8 gallon diesel (from the main truck tanks) per hour.  A  
regular truck idles at about 1 gallon an hour.  I can't wait for the next  
8-12 months to be done and they start trading those trucks and I can buy  
one of these engines.


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Gabriel S. wrote:

Poor truckers. I leave my car idling as much as possible just because
turning over a diesel seems harder than a gasser.





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'82 300CD (Slate grey, black MBTex, WVO/D mix)
'82 300D '90 300E (both parts or can run??)

Re: [MBZ] diesel idling story

[David Brodbeck]

Gabriel S. wrote:

Poor truckers. I leave my car idling as much as possible just because
turning over a diesel seems harder than a gasser.
 


I don't know...I think a diesel is actually *easier* to start than a 
gasser once it's warmed up.  It's only cold starts that are tough.  The 
most extreme examples of this are the normally-aspirated IDI VW diesels, 
which, when fully warmed up, will consistently fire on the first 
compression stroke, even with no glow cycle.  I once push-started a 
friend's VW Dasher by hand after his starter failed, and we got it going 
by popping the clutch in reverse after I'd rolled it about five feet to 
build up momentum.  Piece of cake.


Idling for long periods is hard on diesels because it cokes up the 
injectors.  The heat problem in sleeper cabs was actually solved long 
ago, though it requires some capital investment -- Stewart-Warner and 
several other companies make little diesel-fired furnaces for cab heat. 
Some of them can even preheat the coolant for cold starts.  A/C in hot 
weather is a tougher problem, of course.

Re: [MBZ] diesel idling story

[Gabriel S.]

Poor truckers. I leave my car idling as much as possible just because
turning over a diesel seems harder than a gasser.

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[MBZ] diesel idling story

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Over the last 3 years, the cost of crude has represented about 50% of 
the cost of a gallon of diesel (give or take a little). Taxes have 
dwindled from representing about 37% of the cost in 2002 to representing 
less than 20% today. Distribution and marketing has dropped from more 
than 10% of the costs in early 2002 to about 5% now.


What HAS really gone up? The cost of refining has gone from close to 5% 
in early 2002 to more than 20% in the fall of 2005. And remember that 5% 
of the cost of $1.50 diesel in 2002 was 7.5 cents a gallon, while 20+% 
of $3 diesel is about 60 cents!


http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/gdu/dieselpump.html

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