Re: [MBZ] paint repair question

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

WD40 does not have silicone in it.  IIRC it was developed to repel water in
distributor caps, among other things.  Spray and start.  It's an insulator,
but not much of one, and high voltage laughs at it.  The fact that the
solvents evaporate and it turns into oily goop in short order is why you
don't want to use it on fine machinery.

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Re: [MBZ] paint repair question

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Craig inquires:

>‎Does WD40 have silicone in it? I recall >silicone being bad for paint.

Ten years of spraying the paint on my motorcycle fairing with WD40 to clean off 
the dead bugs has had no deleterious effects on the finish, so no, probably 
not...

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Re: [MBZ] paint repair question

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I have pondered this myself.  The only explanation i have for it is that the 
battery terminals have very strong physical connections which allow the stud 
and terminal to be clamped together under pressure, displacing any grease or 
rendering the grease “layer” so thin it’s insignificant as far as conductivity 
between the parts.

In the case of pinball machines or other electro-mechanical amusement or 
vending devices, the relay contact pressures are measured in ounces or grams, 
so there’s not a lot of pressure involved.  As a result, any foreign material 
on the contacts could render them useless.

When I would come across a machine like this, I would stand it up on the end 
and get several cans of “Blue Shower”, an electrical cleaner that was around at 
that time (it’s no longer around due to the primary ingredient being a 
chloroflourocarbon) that degreased and displaced moisture.  Hose everything 
down really well, then start working things manually.  Pressing relays, pulsing 
stepper motors, etc., etc.  That physical operation would often clear any 
remaining gunk and contacts would start mating and circuits would be restored.  
Put power to the machine and start trying to play it or run it through its 
operations.  After a 30 minutes or so of use in most cases it was fully 
functional.

Wow, do I miss working on that stuff.  It was fun!

-D



> On Dec 12, 2017, at 8:27 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> A friend used to be a Selectric typewriter repairman. He said that WD-40
> was his best friend - always guaranteed a job after an owner had
> "lubricated" his Selectric with it.
> 
> Yes - WD-40 is an insulator, among other things. So is the grease we put on
> battery terminals - - so how does that work???
> 
> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 7:21 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> No, it doesn’t.  That’s a commonly held fallacy about the stuff.  That and
>> using it to “dry out” electrical systems.  Sure, it displaces moisture, but
>> it’s an insulator, so if you get it on electrical contacts it wreaks all
>> kinds of havoc.
>> 
>> When I was buying/selling/rebuilding/repairing pinball machines and
>> related devices back in the 80s I would often come across machines in
>> people’s homes that had been soaked with WD-40 thinking it would clean the
>> banks of relays and stepper motors.  Those were some of the best deals I
>> got, as I would just shake my head and tell the owner the machine was
>> pretty much junk. From a troubleshooting standpoint it would be a nightmare
>> to try and sort them out at the customer’s location.
>> 
>> After I bought it for maybe $100 I would spend several hours cleaning
>> everything and in many cases they would be just fine after a good cleaning.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 12, 2017, at 7:54 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 00:27:14 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 RB sez:
 
> ‎Unfortunately, I don't know if they make >that any more.
 
 WD40 works great at bug and tar removal. ‎
 Rick
>>> 
>>> Does WD40 have silicone in it? I recall silicone being bad for paint.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] paint repair question

[OK Don via Mercedes]

A friend used to be a Selectric typewriter repairman. He said that WD-40
was his best friend - always guaranteed a job after an owner had
"lubricated" his Selectric with it.

Yes - WD-40 is an insulator, among other things. So is the grease we put on
battery terminals - - so how does that work???

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 7:21 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> No, it doesn’t.  That’s a commonly held fallacy about the stuff.  That and
> using it to “dry out” electrical systems.  Sure, it displaces moisture, but
> it’s an insulator, so if you get it on electrical contacts it wreaks all
> kinds of havoc.
>
> When I was buying/selling/rebuilding/repairing pinball machines and
> related devices back in the 80s I would often come across machines in
> people’s homes that had been soaked with WD-40 thinking it would clean the
> banks of relays and stepper motors.  Those were some of the best deals I
> got, as I would just shake my head and tell the owner the machine was
> pretty much junk. From a troubleshooting standpoint it would be a nightmare
> to try and sort them out at the customer’s location.
>
> After I bought it for maybe $100 I would spend several hours cleaning
> everything and in many cases they would be just fine after a good cleaning.
>
> -D
>
> > On Dec 12, 2017, at 7:54 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 00:27:14 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> RB sez:
> >>
> >>> ‎Unfortunately, I don't know if they make >that any more.
> >>
> >> WD40 works great at bug and tar removal. ‎
> >> Rick
> >
> > Does WD40 have silicone in it? I recall silicone being bad for paint.
> >
> >
> > Craig
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Re: [MBZ] paint repair question

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

No, it doesn’t.  That’s a commonly held fallacy about the stuff.  That and 
using it to “dry out” electrical systems.  Sure, it displaces moisture, but 
it’s an insulator, so if you get it on electrical contacts it wreaks all kinds 
of havoc.

When I was buying/selling/rebuilding/repairing pinball machines and related 
devices back in the 80s I would often come across machines in people’s homes 
that had been soaked with WD-40 thinking it would clean the banks of relays and 
stepper motors.  Those were some of the best deals I got, as I would just shake 
my head and tell the owner the machine was pretty much junk. From a 
troubleshooting standpoint it would be a nightmare to try and sort them out at 
the customer’s location.

After I bought it for maybe $100 I would spend several hours cleaning 
everything and in many cases they would be just fine after a good cleaning.

-D

> On Dec 12, 2017, at 7:54 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 00:27:14 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> RB sez:
>> 
>>> ‎Unfortunately, I don't know if they make >that any more.
>> 
>> WD40 works great at bug and tar removal. ‎
>> Rick
> 
> Does WD40 have silicone in it? I recall silicone being bad for paint.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] paint repair question

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 00:27:14 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
 wrote:

> RB sez:
> 
> >‎Unfortunately, I don't know if they make >that any more.
> 
> WD40 works great at bug and tar removal. ‎
> Rick

Does WD40 have silicone in it? I recall silicone being bad for paint.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] paint repair question

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

RB sez:

>‎Unfortunately, I don't know if they make >that any more.

WD40 works great at bug and tar removal. ‎
Rick
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[MBZ] paint repair question

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

You may recall that I was seeking advice on how to remove some paint 
from the painted surface of my truck fender flare a week or more back.


I am happy to report that I was able to clean it off on the weekend 
using nothing more than a bit of Turtle Wax Bug and Tar Remover on a rag.


I thought it was only a bit of white latex paint on the surface and it 
proved to be so.


Unfortunately, I don't know if they make that any more. The stuff I have 
is in the round metal can and looks like very thinned out rubbing compound.


I have not seen it on the shelves lately. They want to sell me some sort 
of "organic" stuff now in a spray bottle. I tried it once and was not 
impressed.


RB


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Re: [MBZ] paint repair question

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Thank you for all of the suggestions.
I will let you know how it turns out but not for a few days as we are 
having a taste of winter here. Cold and snow.
Supposed to be better next weekend so I may be able to do something with 
it then.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] paint repair question

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

Clay bar might help as well.

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> On Dec 4, 2017, at 10:55 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Steel wool with 16 zeroes.  Softer than a baby's bottom.
> 
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 4:58 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Lacquer thinner is pretty aggressive stuff.  I don’t like to use it on
>> modern finishes myself.  My go-to after warm soapy water and/or a
>> fingernail is 3M Adhesive Remover, but that’s not something a lot of folks
>> have sitting around.  It’s probably as aggressive as lacquer thinner, but
>> it’s been tested on modern finishes.
>> 
>> Steel wool??  Yikes!  You might as well put a grinding wheel to it,
>> especially if it’s got a clear coat.
>> 
>> -D/Martha
>> 
>>> On Dec 4, 2017, at 4:24 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 On December 4, 2017 at 12:36 PM Dan--- via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 
 Start out light then move up to more aggressive products as necessary.
 
 Try your bug and tar remover first, then polish, then rubbing compound
>> if necessary.
>>> 
>>> I was thinking bug and tar remover, then lacquer thinner, then
>> polishing/rubbing compounds.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] paint repair question

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On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 16:24:14 -0500 (EST)
Mitch Haley via Mercedes  wrote:

> 
> > On December 4, 2017 at 12:36 PM Dan--- via Mercedes  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Start out light then move up to more aggressive products as necessary.
> > 
> > Try your bug and tar remover first, then polish, then rubbing compound if 
> > necessary.
> 
> I was thinking bug and tar remover, then lacquer thinner, then 
> polishing/rubbing compounds. 
> 
> Mitch.
~~
IIRC someone on  this list years ago had the same or similar problem.
He used the rough side of one of those kitchen sponges which is sort of like 
steel wool but is made of plastic. He kept it very wet and tried to rub it only 
on the paint to be removed. I seem to remember that he used rubbing compound 
afterward, waxed it, and it turned out well. YMMV.
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Re: [MBZ] paint repair question

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> On December 4, 2017 at 4:58 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Lacquer thinner is pretty aggressive stuff.  I don’t like to use it on modern 
> finishes myself.  

It's the universal paint cleaner at the body shop I go to. 
Had some yardman's paint pencil on the outside of the fender I bought for my 
ML350. 30 seconds with the lacquer thinner and it was gone. 
That reminds me, I need to wash and wax the ML, especially that fender.

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Re: [MBZ] paint repair question

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Steel wool with 16 zeroes.  Softer than a baby's bottom.

On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 4:58 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Lacquer thinner is pretty aggressive stuff.  I don’t like to use it on
> modern finishes myself.  My go-to after warm soapy water and/or a
> fingernail is 3M Adhesive Remover, but that’s not something a lot of folks
> have sitting around.  It’s probably as aggressive as lacquer thinner, but
> it’s been tested on modern finishes.
>
> Steel wool??  Yikes!  You might as well put a grinding wheel to it,
> especially if it’s got a clear coat.
>
> -D/Martha
>
> > On Dec 4, 2017, at 4:24 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On December 4, 2017 at 12:36 PM Dan--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Start out light then move up to more aggressive products as necessary.
> >>
> >> Try your bug and tar remover first, then polish, then rubbing compound
> if necessary.
> >
> > I was thinking bug and tar remover, then lacquer thinner, then
> polishing/rubbing compounds.
> >
> > Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] paint repair question

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Lacquer thinner is pretty aggressive stuff.  I don’t like to use it on modern 
finishes myself.  My go-to after warm soapy water and/or a fingernail is 3M 
Adhesive Remover, but that’s not something a lot of folks have sitting around.  
It’s probably as aggressive as lacquer thinner, but it’s been tested on modern 
finishes.

Steel wool??  Yikes!  You might as well put a grinding wheel to it, especially 
if it’s got a clear coat.

-D/Martha

> On Dec 4, 2017, at 4:24 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On December 4, 2017 at 12:36 PM Dan--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Start out light then move up to more aggressive products as necessary.
>> 
>> Try your bug and tar remover first, then polish, then rubbing compound if 
>> necessary.
> 
> I was thinking bug and tar remover, then lacquer thinner, then 
> polishing/rubbing compounds. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] paint repair question

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> On December 4, 2017 at 12:36 PM Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Start out light then move up to more aggressive products as necessary.
> 
> Try your bug and tar remover first, then polish, then rubbing compound if 
> necessary.

I was thinking bug and tar remover, then lacquer thinner, then 
polishing/rubbing compounds. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] paint repair question

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Randy inquires :

>‎How would you remove a couple of >streaks of white latex (most likely) 
>paint from the surface of a vehicle?

WD40.

Rick‎
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Re: [MBZ] paint repair question

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

If it's a small area try your finger nail first.  If that rubs it off
carefully use a soft wood spatula for the rest.  Then the finest steel
wool.  I would avoid any chemicals until later.

On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 12:36 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Start out light then move up to more aggressive products as necessary.
>
> Try your bug and tar remover first, then polish, then rubbing compound if
> necessary.
>
> -D
>
> > On Dec 4, 2017, at 12:28 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > How would you remove a couple of streaks of white latex (most likely)
> paint from the surface of a vehicle? Varsol? Bug and Tar remover?
> >
> > Long story, but yesterday, I went to a friend's house to pick up
> something. He had visitors parking in his extra space and in front of his
> garage door.
> >
> > I pulle in accross the lane in front of another garage with 2 overhead
> doors. I know the folks who own that house too so I was not too worried
> about pulling onto the apron. I did not expect to be very long.
> >
> > Their garage has old style single panel doors so when they open, they
> turn out and up. They did not know my truck was there so when they opened
> the garage door, it struck the fender flair on my truck.
> >
> > It looks as though it just smeared a bit of white paint on the flair so
> I think it will come off without leaving much of a mark so long as I don't
> damage the paint trying to remove it. I would think the garage door was
> just painted with white latex paint as it is flat and not shiny.
> >
> > My own fault for parking there and not going to their door to warn
> them. I was thinking worst case scenario they would come home and find me
> blocking their garage access and not really thinking they would hit the
> truck if they were home and wanted to leave.
> >
> > RB
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Re: [MBZ] paint repair question

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Start out light then move up to more aggressive products as necessary.

Try your bug and tar remover first, then polish, then rubbing compound if 
necessary.

-D

> On Dec 4, 2017, at 12:28 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> How would you remove a couple of streaks of white latex (most likely) paint 
> from the surface of a vehicle? Varsol? Bug and Tar remover?
> 
> Long story, but yesterday, I went to a friend's house to pick up something. 
> He had visitors parking in his extra space and in front of his garage door.
> 
> I pulle in accross the lane in front of another garage with 2 overhead doors. 
> I know the folks who own that house too so I was not too worried about 
> pulling onto the apron. I did not expect to be very long.
> 
> Their garage has old style single panel doors so when they open, they turn 
> out and up. They did not know my truck was there so when they opened the 
> garage door, it struck the fender flair on my truck.
> 
> It looks as though it just smeared a bit of white paint on the flair so I 
> think it will come off without leaving much of a mark so long as I don't 
> damage the paint trying to remove it. I would think the garage door was just 
> painted with white latex paint as it is flat and not shiny.
> 
> My own fault for parking there and not going to their door to warn  them. I 
> was thinking worst case scenario they would come home and find me blocking 
> their garage access and not really thinking they would hit the truck if they 
> were home and wanted to leave.
> 
> RB
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[MBZ] paint repair question

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

How would you remove a couple of streaks of white latex (most likely) 
paint from the surface of a vehicle? Varsol? Bug and Tar remover?


Long story, but yesterday, I went to a friend's house to pick up 
something. He had visitors parking in his extra space and in front of 
his garage door.


I pulle in accross the lane in front of another garage with 2 overhead 
doors. I know the folks who own that house too so I was not too worried 
about pulling onto the apron. I did not expect to be very long.


Their garage has old style single panel doors so when they open, they 
turn out and up. They did not know my truck was there so when they 
opened the garage door, it struck the fender flair on my truck.


It looks as though it just smeared a bit of white paint on the flair so 
I think it will come off without leaving much of a mark so long as I 
don't damage the paint trying to remove it. I would think the garage 
door was just painted with white latex paint as it is flat and not shiny.


My own fault for parking there and not going to their door to warn  
them. I was thinking worst case scenario they would come home and find 
me blocking their garage access and not really thinking they would hit 
the truck if they were home and wanted to leave.


RB


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