Re: [MBZ] serious depression of peoples attitude to their fellow man

2009-01-26 Thread Curt Raymond
Gross...

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Hendrik  Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au writes:

 I usually drink Hollandia which is 30 bucks for 24 330ml bottles,
 taste the same as Heineken which is about 45 buckaroos.

I drink Miller Lite which I can find for $9.99 for 24 12oz bottles
pretty regularly.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] serious depression of peoples attitude to their fellow man

2009-01-26 Thread Mitch Haley
While any individual renter may be just fine, there is a statistically 
significant inverse relationship between property value and percentage of rental 
homes vs owner occupied.


OTOH, you can work it to your advantage after the neighborhood goes to heck.
Back in the 1980's I knew a guy who lived in a run down part of Lansing, MI.
He fixed his house up, fenced it in, and bred GSD guard dogs in the back yard.

Whenever a house on his block would go up for sale, he'd buy it for $20-30k, fix 
it up, and rent it to somebody he'd want for a neighbor. The idea was to 
eventually be in control of who all the neighbors were, while being able to 
retire on the rent proceeds.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] serious depression of peoples attitude to their fellow man

2009-01-26 Thread Gary Hurst
and for those of us who have no money to buy the other houses in the area?

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 While any individual renter may be just fine, there is a statistically
 significant inverse relationship between property value and percentage of
 rental homes vs owner occupied.

 OTOH, you can work it to your advantage after the neighborhood goes to
 heck.
 Back in the 1980's I knew a guy who lived in a run down part of Lansing,
 MI.
 He fixed his house up, fenced it in, and bred GSD guard dogs in the back
 yard.

 Whenever a house on his block would go up for sale, he'd buy it for
 $20-30k, fix it up, and rent it to somebody he'd want for a neighbor. The
 idea was to eventually be in control of who all the neighbors were, while
 being able to retire on the rent proceeds.

 Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] serious depression of peoples attitude to their fellow man

2009-01-26 Thread Mitch Haley

Gary Hurst wrote:

and for those of us who have no money to buy the other houses in the area?


When he was doing this, he was a divorced guy with three kids working as a 
janitor for a nonprofit organization. (I don't know if he paid support or if it 
were shared custody, he had them at his house a lot)
I suspect he had always put saving in front of spending, he also was part owner 
of a grocery store and once told me (circa 1982) that as long as you kept $20k 
in the bank, life's little ups and downs couldn't hurt you much. That $20k was 
probably close to twice his annual wage, and every few years he'd pay cash for a 
new black and gold Continental. Not too bad for a poor undereducated black kid 
from Mississippi. (his ex wife was a computer systems analyst, and I don't think 
she grew up in the swamp)


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] serious depression of peoples attitude to their fellow man

2009-01-25 Thread Hendrik Fay
So what did you expect? That the good times would roll on forever? A 
market correction was always on the cards and the brakes should have 
been applied a long time ago, before the engine seized up. However human 
stupidity/greed/desire dictates otherwise.
And what makes you say that your neighbours will all be drug addicts? Or 
do you like to substitute the term poor people for crack addicts?
There again the Government has stuffed up, instead of this war on terror 
they should have had a war on drugs.
It seems people are more worried about drug addicts than terrorists. Far 
as I am concerned hard drugs are WMD.
Anyway we'll see what the Messiah can come up with, he talks nice but 
can he actually achieve anything.
I did notice the pregnant pause after Obama called for humility and 
humbleness in his inauguration speech. The look on his face was 
priceless as he realized what he was up against.


Hendrik
who is celebrating the successful invasion of Australia today

Gary Hurst wrote:

when we moved to this area 4 years ago, my ex wife bought the cheapest house
in the area for 137k.  normally, her house would be about 150, but the next
door neighbors were pretty undesirable so she got a deal.

a house like hers just sold on her block to a slumlord for 70k.  he
explained that he has lots of cash and is going to buy every house in the
area and use them as rentals.

so soon i'm going to owe 120k on a house that is worth 50k that is
surrounded by crack addicts.  guess what is going to happen then?

repeat a million times all across our great land and what you got?

it's the big one, kids!
  



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Re: [MBZ] serious depression of peoples attitude to their fellow man

2009-01-25 Thread Gary Hurst
in the USA, renters are transients.  criminals.  convicted sex felons.  meth
addicts.  minorities.


renters are trouble.  they are the death of any area.

On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Hendrik  Fay heni...@ozemail.com.auwrote:

 So what did you expect? That the good times would roll on forever? A market
 correction was always on the cards and the brakes should have been applied a
 long time ago, before the engine seized up. However human
 stupidity/greed/desire dictates otherwise.
 And what makes you say that your neighbours will all be drug addicts? Or do
 you like to substitute the term poor people for crack addicts?
 There again the Government has stuffed up, instead of this war on terror
 they should have had a war on drugs.
 It seems people are more worried about drug addicts than terrorists. Far as
 I am concerned hard drugs are WMD.
 Anyway we'll see what the Messiah can come up with, he talks nice but can
 he actually achieve anything.
 I did notice the pregnant pause after Obama called for humility and
 humbleness in his inauguration speech. The look on his face was priceless as
 he realized what he was up against.

 Hendrik
 who is celebrating the successful invasion of Australia today

 Gary Hurst wrote:

 when we moved to this area 4 years ago, my ex wife bought the cheapest
 house
 in the area for 137k.  normally, her house would be about 150, but the
 next
 door neighbors were pretty undesirable so she got a deal.

 a house like hers just sold on her block to a slumlord for 70k.  he
 explained that he has lots of cash and is going to buy every house in the
 area and use them as rentals.

 so soon i'm going to owe 120k on a house that is worth 50k that is
 surrounded by crack addicts.  guess what is going to happen then?

 repeat a million times all across our great land and what you got?

 it's the big one, kids!




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Re: [MBZ] serious depression of peoples attitude to their fellow man

2009-01-25 Thread OK Don
Maybe in your town, but in my neighborhood, half the houses are
rentals, and only half the renters are transients.  criminals.
convicted sex felons.  meth
 addicts.  minorities. However, they haven't caused any problems in the 30 
 years I've lived here. (Except the drunks who keep crashing into things after 
 the bars close at 2AM).

On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:
 in the USA, renters are transients.  criminals.  convicted sex felons.  meth
 addicts.  minorities.


 renters are trouble.  they are the death of any area.



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Re: [MBZ] serious depression of peoples attitude to their fellow man

2009-01-25 Thread Gary Hurst
they've done a reasonably good job with the drunks here through insane
draconian drunk driving laws.  i remember them in the old days though --
crashing into everything!

On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 4:14 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 Maybe in your town, but in my neighborhood, half the houses are
 rentals, and only half the renters are transients.  criminals.
 convicted sex felons.  meth
  addicts.  minorities. However, they haven't caused any problems in the
 30 years I've lived here. (Except the drunks who keep crashing into things
 after the bars close at 2AM).

 On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:
  in the USA, renters are transients.  criminals.  convicted sex felons.
  meth
  addicts.  minorities.
 
 
  renters are trouble.  they are the death of any area.
 


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Re: [MBZ] serious depression of peoples attitude to their fellow man

2009-01-25 Thread Hendrik Fay

It is a good thing you don't hastily generalize.
So I guess you have never rented a place, I have but am not a convicted 
sex felon, drug addict (unless you want to include tobacco), don't make 
my living off criminal activity, don't move from place to place much but 
I guess this would make me a minority?
Sure we do have bad elements in the rental community of Oz but we have a 
pretty generous housing scheme and as such the real down and outers are 
housed by the state and not so much in the private rental market, 
private renters are generally hard working Aussies or migrants who are 
saving up to buy a home, or workers who come here to do contract work.


Hendrik
who part owns the family cave

Gary Hurst wrote:

in the USA, renters are transients.  criminals.  convicted sex felons.  meth
addicts.  minorities.


renters are trouble.  they are the death of any area.

  




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Re: [MBZ] serious depression of peoples attitude to their fellow man

2009-01-25 Thread Lee Einer
Before you purchased your first home, did you rent, or did you live in
your mom's house? If the former, which of your listed renter categories
best applied to you?

And what do you mean by minorities? Do you mean renters are in the
minority, or is there something else you are getting at?

Lee

Gary Hurst wrote:
 in the USA, renters are transients.  criminals.  convicted sex felons.  meth
 addicts.  minorities.

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Re: [MBZ] serious depression of peoples attitude to their fellow man

2009-01-25 Thread Gary Hurst
you have a different sort of country than i do.  you guys are practically
canadian, for god's sake.  in your country, sometimes you have a little
trouble from a drunk aborigine or maybe a tongan who has lost his mind.  the
worst you ever get is the odd dingo on the loose eating babies. mostly it's
just about drinking fosters, surfing and saying g'day.

i, on the other hand, live in a different sort of place.  there are no
parallels between our living experiences.



On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Hendrik  Fay heni...@ozemail.com.auwrote:

 It is a good thing you don't hastily generalize.
 So I guess you have never rented a place, I have but am not a convicted sex
 felon, drug addict (unless you want to include tobacco), don't make my
 living off criminal activity, don't move from place to place much but I
 guess this would make me a minority?
 Sure we do have bad elements in the rental community of Oz but we have a
 pretty generous housing scheme and as such the real down and outers are
 housed by the state and not so much in the private rental market, private
 renters are generally hard working Aussies or migrants who are saving up to
 buy a home, or workers who come here to do contract work.

 Hendrik
 who part owns the family cave

 Gary Hurst wrote:

 in the USA, renters are transients.  criminals.  convicted sex felons.
  meth
 addicts.  minorities.


 renters are trouble.  they are the death of any area.





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Re: [MBZ] serious depression of peoples attitude to their fellow man

2009-01-25 Thread Hendrik Fay
And why is that I wonder? Probably the hot weather making people too 
lazy to do much. Of which we are getting a few days of.
I don't think that the places are so different but rather there is a 
stronger attitude of working towards the community, which the average 
Yank would classify as communism.
For a while there this was going south as everyone was trying to get 
rich but now the cold reality has set in, I dare say it back to mateship 
again. I hope.
From an outsider point of view I would say that America has more of an 
everyone for themselves attitude and to be a non winner is the worst sin 
a true American can commit.


BTW nobody drinks Fosters here, considered cat's pee.
I like Euro lagers and Pilsners, loads of people drink Coopers pale ale 
and those poofy low carb beers are making inroads with the young crowd.


Hendrik

Gary Hurst wrote:

you have a different sort of country than i do.  you guys are practically
canadian, for god's sake.  in your country, sometimes you have a little
trouble from a drunk aborigine or maybe a tongan who has lost his mind.  the
worst you ever get is the odd dingo on the loose eating babies. mostly it's
just about drinking fosters, surfing and saying g'day.

i, on the other hand, live in a different sort of place.  there are no
parallels between our living experiences.


  

  



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Re: [MBZ] serious depression of peoples attitude to their fellow man

2009-01-25 Thread E M
Geez, you really know how to take the appeal off buying rental property in
the US.  lol

I guess when filling out any kind of form in the US, when listing personal
info, best not to put down you rent, eh?  lol

Ed
300E

2009/1/25 Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com

 in the USA, renters are transients.  criminals.  convicted sex felons.
  meth
 addicts.  minorities.


 renters are trouble.  they are the death of any area.

 On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Hendrik  Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au
 wrote:

  So what did you expect? That the good times would roll on forever? A
 market
  correction was always on the cards and the brakes should have been
 applied a
  long time ago, before the engine seized up. However human
  stupidity/greed/desire dictates otherwise.
  And what makes you say that your neighbours will all be drug addicts? Or
 do
  you like to substitute the term poor people for crack addicts?
  There again the Government has stuffed up, instead of this war on terror
  they should have had a war on drugs.
  It seems people are more worried about drug addicts than terrorists. Far
 as
  I am concerned hard drugs are WMD.
  Anyway we'll see what the Messiah can come up with, he talks nice but can
  he actually achieve anything.
  I did notice the pregnant pause after Obama called for humility and
  humbleness in his inauguration speech. The look on his face was priceless
 as
  he realized what he was up against.
 
  Hendrik
  who is celebrating the successful invasion of Australia today
 
  Gary Hurst wrote:
 
  when we moved to this area 4 years ago, my ex wife bought the cheapest
  house
  in the area for 137k.  normally, her house would be about 150, but the
  next
  door neighbors were pretty undesirable so she got a deal.
 
  a house like hers just sold on her block to a slumlord for 70k.  he
  explained that he has lots of cash and is going to buy every house in
 the
  area and use them as rentals.
 
  so soon i'm going to owe 120k on a house that is worth 50k that is
  surrounded by crack addicts.  guess what is going to happen then?
 
  repeat a million times all across our great land and what you got?
 
  it's the big one, kids!
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] serious depression of peoples attitude to their fellow man

2009-01-25 Thread Gary Hurst
yeah, fosters was just to insult you.  i know you guys dont' like fosters.

on a positive note, i got a ham sandwich and the supermarket tonight as it
was on special and it was really good.

On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Hendrik  Fay heni...@ozemail.com.auwrote:

 And why is that I wonder? Probably the hot weather making people too lazy
 to do much. Of which we are getting a few days of.
 I don't think that the places are so different but rather there is a
 stronger attitude of working towards the community, which the average Yank
 would classify as communism.
 For a while there this was going south as everyone was trying to get rich
 but now the cold reality has set in, I dare say it back to mateship again. I
 hope.
 From an outsider point of view I would say that America has more of an
 everyone for themselves attitude and to be a non winner is the worst sin a
 true American can commit.

 BTW nobody drinks Fosters here, considered cat's pee.
 I like Euro lagers and Pilsners, loads of people drink Coopers pale ale and
 those poofy low carb beers are making inroads with the young crowd.

 Hendrik

 Gary Hurst wrote:

 you have a different sort of country than i do.  you guys are practically
 canadian, for god's sake.  in your country, sometimes you have a little
 trouble from a drunk aborigine or maybe a tongan who has lost his mind.
  the
 worst you ever get is the odd dingo on the loose eating babies. mostly
 it's
 just about drinking fosters, surfing and saying g'day.

 i, on the other hand, live in a different sort of place.  there are no
 parallels between our living experiences.







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Re: [MBZ] serious depression of peoples attitude to their fellow man

2009-01-25 Thread Tom Hargrave
Yah, Fosters - Australian for beer but brewed in Canada for the US market
just so they can continue to call Fosters imported beer. Saporo, Guiness
and many others do the same thing.

Thanks,
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man

yeah, fosters was just to insult you.  i know you guys dont' like fosters.

on a positive note, i got a ham sandwich and the supermarket tonight as it
was on special and it was really good.

On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Hendrik  Fay
heni...@ozemail.com.auwrote:

 And why is that I wonder? Probably the hot weather making people too lazy
 to do much. Of which we are getting a few days of.
 I don't think that the places are so different but rather there is a
 stronger attitude of working towards the community, which the average Yank
 would classify as communism.
 For a while there this was going south as everyone was trying to get rich
 but now the cold reality has set in, I dare say it back to mateship again.
I
 hope.
 From an outsider point of view I would say that America has more of an
 everyone for themselves attitude and to be a non winner is the worst sin a
 true American can commit.

 BTW nobody drinks Fosters here, considered cat's pee.
 I like Euro lagers and Pilsners, loads of people drink Coopers pale ale
and
 those poofy low carb beers are making inroads with the young crowd.

 Hendrik

 Gary Hurst wrote:

 you have a different sort of country than i do.  you guys are practically
 canadian, for god's sake.  in your country, sometimes you have a little
 trouble from a drunk aborigine or maybe a tongan who has lost his mind.
  the
 worst you ever get is the odd dingo on the loose eating babies. mostly
 it's
 just about drinking fosters, surfing and saying g'day.

 i, on the other hand, live in a different sort of place.  there are no
 parallels between our living experiences.







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Re: [MBZ] serious depression of peoples attitude to their fellow man

2009-01-25 Thread E M
Here in ON Canada, you can get Canadian Guiness or Fosters at the beer
store priced like most other domestic beers, but if you want the real stuff,
you have to go to the local wine shop where they stock a good selection of
imported beer. They also stock real American beer.  As some of you may know,
beer and wine in Ontario Canada is not available at local food stores, or
7-11 shops, it's all sold through government controlled beer and wine outlet
shops.  We brew Canadian Bud and Coors and others too.  I tend to go for the
imported German and Dutch stuff, or just a local brewed brand that's cheap
and I can't tell the difference between in and other local stuff costing 1/3
more.

Ed
300E

2009/1/25 Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net

 Yah, Fosters - Australian for beer but brewed in Canada for the US market
 just so they can continue to call Fosters imported beer. Saporo, Guiness
 and many others do the same thing.

 Thanks,
 Tom Hargrave
 www.kegkits.com
 256-656-1924


 -Original Message-
 From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
 On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
 Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 7:30 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] serious depression of peoples attitude to their fellow
 man

 yeah, fosters was just to insult you.  i know you guys dont' like fosters.

 on a positive note, i got a ham sandwich and the supermarket tonight as it
 was on special and it was really good.

 On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Hendrik  Fay
 heni...@ozemail.com.auwrote:

  And why is that I wonder? Probably the hot weather making people too lazy
  to do much. Of which we are getting a few days of.
  I don't think that the places are so different but rather there is a
  stronger attitude of working towards the community, which the average
 Yank
  would classify as communism.
  For a while there this was going south as everyone was trying to get rich
  but now the cold reality has set in, I dare say it back to mateship
 again.
 I
  hope.
  From an outsider point of view I would say that America has more of an
  everyone for themselves attitude and to be a non winner is the worst sin
 a
  true American can commit.
 
  BTW nobody drinks Fosters here, considered cat's pee.
  I like Euro lagers and Pilsners, loads of people drink Coopers pale ale
 and
  those poofy low carb beers are making inroads with the young crowd.
 
  Hendrik
 
  Gary Hurst wrote:
 
  you have a different sort of country than i do.  you guys are
 practically
  canadian, for god's sake.  in your country, sometimes you have a little
  trouble from a drunk aborigine or maybe a tongan who has lost his mind.
   the
  worst you ever get is the odd dingo on the loose eating babies. mostly
  it's
  just about drinking fosters, surfing and saying g'day.
 
  i, on the other hand, live in a different sort of place.  there are no
  parallels between our living experiences.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] serious depression of peoples attitude to their fellow man

2009-01-25 Thread Hendrik Fay
Did you make sure that the sandwich was made by decent home owning folks 
and not one of them druggie, sex offending, minority, renting types?


Hendrik
who eats pies and pasties sometimes

Gary Hurst wrote:

yeah, fosters was just to insult you.  i know you guys dont' like fosters.

on a positive note, i got a ham sandwich and the supermarket tonight as it
was on special and it was really good.
  

  



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Re: [MBZ] serious depression of peoples attitude to their fellow man

2009-01-25 Thread E M
As long as the ham wasn't from Maple Leaf Meats in Canada, you're probably
safe.

Ed
300E

2009/1/25 Hendrik  Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au

 Did you make sure that the sandwich was made by decent home owning folks
 and not one of them druggie, sex offending, minority, renting types?

 Hendrik
 who eats pies and pasties sometimes

 Gary Hurst wrote:

 yeah, fosters was just to insult you.  i know you guys dont' like fosters.

 on a positive note, i got a ham sandwich and the supermarket tonight as it
 was on special and it was really good.





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Re: [MBZ] serious depression of peoples attitude to their fellow man

2009-01-25 Thread Hendrik Fay
Yeah that annoys me, lots of Euro beers are now brewed here or Asia 
under license but still charge a premium. Although I can find cheap 
Holland beer down the road.
Also you will find that the Fosters brewed in other parts of the world 
is nothing like the stuff brewed in Melbourne, although when I say 
brewed I mean they get a horse to drink lots of good beer and then pee 
into foster bottles.

Apparently the Fosters in Europe is more of a lagery pilsner.

Hendrik

Tom Hargrave wrote:

Yah, Fosters - Australian for beer but brewed in Canada for the US market
just so they can continue to call Fosters imported beer. Saporo, Guiness
and many others do the same thing.

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Re: [MBZ] serious depression of peoples attitude to their fellow man

2009-01-25 Thread Hendrik Fay
I usually drink Hollandia which is 30 bucks for 24 330ml bottles, taste 
the same as Heineken which is about 45 buckaroos.


Hendrik
who is off to do the BBQ and have a couple of Zipfer beers

E M wrote:

Here in ON Canada, you can get Canadian Guiness or Fosters at the beer
store priced like most other domestic beers, but if you want the real stuff,
you have to go to the local wine shop where they stock a good selection of
imported beer. They also stock real American beer.  As some of you may know,
beer and wine in Ontario Canada is not available at local food stores, or
7-11 shops, it's all sold through government controlled beer and wine outlet
shops.  We brew Canadian Bud and Coors and others too.  I tend to go for the
imported German and Dutch stuff, or just a local brewed brand that's cheap
and I can't tell the difference between in and other local stuff costing 1/3
more.

Ed
300E
  



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Re: [MBZ] serious depression of peoples attitude to their fellow man

2009-01-25 Thread Allan Streib
Hendrik  Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au writes:

 I usually drink Hollandia which is 30 bucks for 24 330ml bottles,
 taste the same as Heineken which is about 45 buckaroos.

I drink Miller Lite which I can find for $9.99 for 24 12oz bottles
pretty regularly.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] serious depression of peoples attitude to their fellow man

2009-01-25 Thread E M
Here, cheap domestic stuff is about $8.40 for a six pack.  The Germany wheat
beer is $3.00-4.00 per bottle.  A domestic brew of something Canadian, or
Miller or Fosters brewed under license is something like $35 for a 24.  All
Canadian dollars.

Ed
300E

2009/1/25 Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu

 Hendrik  Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au writes:

  I usually drink Hollandia which is 30 bucks for 24 330ml bottles,
  taste the same as Heineken which is about 45 buckaroos.

 I drink Miller Lite which I can find for $9.99 for 24 12oz bottles
 pretty regularly.

 Allan
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