Re: [MBZ] sheet metal glue

2020-04-14 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 22:02:21 -0400 MG via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I used a ductwork mastic in both the return and 
> supply sides.even used mastic under the tape in 
> the supply and on the joints of adjustable elbows.
> 
> All the pieces in the pics were designed, put 
> together and installed by yours truly.

As OKDon said, "Looks great - Atta-Boy!"

What is the scale of the ductwork we are seeing (how large in diameter is
the round outlet)?

What is the red T-shaped "thing" with the black parts?

Is the second picture rotated?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] sheet metal glue

2020-04-14 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Looks great - Atta-Boy!

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 9:07 PM MG via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I used a ductwork mastic in both the return and
> supply sides.even used mastic under the tape in
> the supply and on the joints of adjustable elbows.
>
> All the pieces in the pics were designed, put
> together and installed by yours truly.
>
> MG
>
> Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> > Long-ish story, but I'm working on making a custom transisition piece
> > between two non-standard duct sizes. I have mocked up what I need to
> > make using paperboard, but for the sheet metal I'll need to connect a
> > few lap seams. I recall that auto panel assembly now uses some sort of
> > glue rather than spot welds. Is this something I can find at FLAPS or am
> > I better off using screws or pop-rivets? I don't have a spot welder.
> >
> > And yes it needs to be sheet-metal not insulated duct board.
> >
> > Allan
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Re: [MBZ] sheet metal glue

2020-04-13 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
The great irony is the fabric stuff commonly called duct tape is totally 
unsuitable for ducts,

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> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] sheet metal glue
> 
> I used self-tapping screws, metal to metal.  Cover the screw head and the
> overlap joint with the proper tape.  Paint over the tape, overpaint at least 
> an
> inch onto the metal, with mastic.  Tape on the inside is not needed.  
> Airtight is
> the goal, must use duct-rated materials.
> 
> Youtube for a video if needed.  This is non-skilled labor, except the metal
> cutting part, that requires some skill.
> -


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Re: [MBZ] sheet metal glue

2020-04-13 Thread MG via Mercedes
Oh forgot to say that I used small ductwork sheet 
metal screws. Very sharp point and short. Worked 
great.


MG

Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Long-ish story, but I'm working on making a custom transisition piece
between two non-standard duct sizes. I have mocked up what I need to
make using paperboard, but for the sheet metal I'll need to connect a
few lap seams. I recall that auto panel assembly now uses some sort of
glue rather than spot welds. Is this something I can find at FLAPS or am
I better off using screws or pop-rivets? I don't have a spot welder.

And yes it needs to be sheet-metal not insulated duct board.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] sheet metal glue

2020-04-13 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I wondered.

I just installed a tubular skylight a couple weekends ago, and used quite a bit 
of the stuff after screwing all the pieces of the ‘tube” together. Since it’s 
in an uninsulated space (attic) anywhere there’s an opening is a spot where 
dirt, dust, bugs or other stuff could get in.

And yes, since I was handling sheet metal, I definitely was wearing gloves.

-D

> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:48 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> It is aluminum, but must be coated with something because it doesn't
> corrode like bare aluminum would.
> I always wear gloves when I'm smoothing it after application.. it will give
> a nasty cut if you catch an edge or corner... but, still amazing stuff
> 
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 9:24 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I love that stuff. Always have a roll on hand. Is it aluminum or steel? I
>> ask because the stuff I have is quite shiny, not dull.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 12:19 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The tape of choice would be aluminum furnace tape. Fire rated and used
>> for
>>> sealing duct work.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:21 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 I second this, followed by proper duct-rated tape, then covered with
 mastic, and then outer layer of insulation.  Make a trip to local HVAC
 warehouse, they'll set you up with the right stuff.  Needs to be duct
 rated, so that in a fire it will not produce poisonous gasses and kill
>> you.
 
 The hard part is getting the metal duct-work pieces right.  Once you
>> have
 those cut-out with the correct length and tabs so you can screw them
 together, the majority of the work is done.  Make it air-tight with the
 tape and the mastic.
 
 I completely re-made all the duct-work under my house a few years ago,
>> was
 a lot of labor but only a few hundred dollars in material.
 -
 Max
 Charleston SC
 
 
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 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> I like self tapping screws or pop rivets.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] sheet metal glue

2020-04-13 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
It is aluminum, but must be coated with something because it doesn't
corrode like bare aluminum would.
I always wear gloves when I'm smoothing it after application.. it will give
a nasty cut if you catch an edge or corner... but, still amazing stuff

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 9:24 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I love that stuff. Always have a roll on hand. Is it aluminum or steel? I
> ask because the stuff I have is quite shiny, not dull.
>
> -D
>
> > On Apr 13, 2020, at 12:19 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > The tape of choice would be aluminum furnace tape. Fire rated and used
> for
> > sealing duct work.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:21 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I second this, followed by proper duct-rated tape, then covered with
> >> mastic, and then outer layer of insulation.  Make a trip to local HVAC
> >> warehouse, they'll set you up with the right stuff.  Needs to be duct
> >> rated, so that in a fire it will not produce poisonous gasses and kill
> you.
> >>
> >> The hard part is getting the metal duct-work pieces right.  Once you
> have
> >> those cut-out with the correct length and tabs so you can screw them
> >> together, the majority of the work is done.  Make it air-tight with the
> >> tape and the mastic.
> >>
> >> I completely re-made all the duct-work under my house a few years ago,
> was
> >> a lot of labor but only a few hundred dollars in material.
> >> -
> >> Max
> >> Charleston SC
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 9:02 PM Michael Esh via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I like self tapping screws or pop rivets.
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] sheet metal glue

2020-04-13 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I love that stuff. Always have a roll on hand. Is it aluminum or steel? I ask 
because the stuff I have is quite shiny, not dull.

-D

> On Apr 13, 2020, at 12:19 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The tape of choice would be aluminum furnace tape. Fire rated and used for
> sealing duct work.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:21 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I second this, followed by proper duct-rated tape, then covered with
>> mastic, and then outer layer of insulation.  Make a trip to local HVAC
>> warehouse, they'll set you up with the right stuff.  Needs to be duct
>> rated, so that in a fire it will not produce poisonous gasses and kill you.
>> 
>> The hard part is getting the metal duct-work pieces right.  Once you have
>> those cut-out with the correct length and tabs so you can screw them
>> together, the majority of the work is done.  Make it air-tight with the
>> tape and the mastic.
>> 
>> I completely re-made all the duct-work under my house a few years ago, was
>> a lot of labor but only a few hundred dollars in material.
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 9:02 PM Michael Esh via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I like self tapping screws or pop rivets.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] sheet metal glue

2020-04-13 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
The tape of choice would be aluminum furnace tape. Fire rated and used for
sealing duct work.


On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:21 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I second this, followed by proper duct-rated tape, then covered with
> mastic, and then outer layer of insulation.  Make a trip to local HVAC
> warehouse, they'll set you up with the right stuff.  Needs to be duct
> rated, so that in a fire it will not produce poisonous gasses and kill you.
>
> The hard part is getting the metal duct-work pieces right.  Once you have
> those cut-out with the correct length and tabs so you can screw them
> together, the majority of the work is done.  Make it air-tight with the
> tape and the mastic.
>
> I completely re-made all the duct-work under my house a few years ago, was
> a lot of labor but only a few hundred dollars in material.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 9:02 PM Michael Esh via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I like self tapping screws or pop rivets.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] sheet metal glue

2020-04-13 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
I used self-tapping screws, metal to metal.  Cover the screw head and the
overlap joint with the proper tape.  Paint over the tape, overpaint at
least an inch onto the metal, with mastic.  Tape on the inside is not
needed.  Airtight is the goal, must use duct-rated materials.

Youtube for a video if needed.  This is non-skilled labor, except the metal
cutting part, that requires some skill.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 11:28 AM Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Wouldn't you want the tape or mastic on the inside of the joint? Then
> screw it together. Pop rivets have holes in them and they don't pull things
> together. If you can get in there and hold the pieces they're okay but if
> you can't screws are way better...
>
> -Curt
>
> On Monday, April 13, 2020, 11:21:49 AM EDT, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>
> I second this, followed by proper duct-rated tape, then covered with
> mastic, and then outer layer of insulation.  Make a trip to local HVAC
> warehouse, they'll set you up with the right stuff.  Needs to be duct
> rated, so that in a fire it will not produce poisonous gasses and kill you.
>
> The hard part is getting the metal duct-work pieces right.  Once you have
> those cut-out with the correct length and tabs so you can screw them
> together, the majority of the work is done.  Make it air-tight with the
> tape and the mastic.
>
> I completely re-made all the duct-work under my house a few years ago, was
> a lot of labor but only a few hundred dollars in material.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 9:02 PM Michael Esh via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I like self tapping screws or pop rivets.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] sheet metal glue

2020-04-13 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 Wouldn't you want the tape or mastic on the inside of the joint? Then screw it 
together. Pop rivets have holes in them and they don't pull things together. If 
you can get in there and hold the pieces they're okay but if you can't screws 
are way better...
-Curt

On Monday, April 13, 2020, 11:21:49 AM EDT, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I second this, followed by proper duct-rated tape, then covered with
mastic, and then outer layer of insulation.  Make a trip to local HVAC
warehouse, they'll set you up with the right stuff.  Needs to be duct
rated, so that in a fire it will not produce poisonous gasses and kill you.

The hard part is getting the metal duct-work pieces right.  Once you have
those cut-out with the correct length and tabs so you can screw them
together, the majority of the work is done.  Make it air-tight with the
tape and the mastic.

I completely re-made all the duct-work under my house a few years ago, was
a lot of labor but only a few hundred dollars in material.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 9:02 PM Michael Esh via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I like self tapping screws or pop rivets.
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] sheet metal glue

2020-04-13 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Might work, but needs to be duct rated.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 12:04 AM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Not knowing just how "custom" your piece is, I'll hazard a suggestion.
>
> Try a 3M product called VHB double sided tape... VHB stands for "Very High
> Bond"... and once it sticks... it sticks.. so you might need to "learn" how
> to best use the tape to get your desired result.
> It was developed to hold emblems on cars, and is now used to attach things
> like spoilers and fender flares.. holds up in heat and cold... etc..
>
> Marginally expensive... not horrible... ACE hardware has it.
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] sheet metal glue

2020-04-13 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
I second this, followed by proper duct-rated tape, then covered with
mastic, and then outer layer of insulation.  Make a trip to local HVAC
warehouse, they'll set you up with the right stuff.  Needs to be duct
rated, so that in a fire it will not produce poisonous gasses and kill you.

The hard part is getting the metal duct-work pieces right.  Once you have
those cut-out with the correct length and tabs so you can screw them
together, the majority of the work is done.  Make it air-tight with the
tape and the mastic.

I completely re-made all the duct-work under my house a few years ago, was
a lot of labor but only a few hundred dollars in material.
-
Max
Charleston SC


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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I like self tapping screws or pop rivets.
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] sheet metal glue

2020-04-12 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
It's a bit messy, but one option would be mastic on the mating surfaces and 
self-tappers to fix position.  Should be secure and airtight.

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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] sheet metal glue
> 
> I like self tapping screws or pop rivets.
> 
> Michael E. Esh
> 
> 
> > On Apr 12, 2020, at 6:04 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> > Long-ish story, but I'm working on making a custom transisition piece
> > between two non-standard duct sizes. I have mocked up what I need to
> > make using paperboard, but for the sheet metal I'll need to connect a
> > few lap seams. I recall that auto panel assembly now uses some sort of
> > glue rather than spot welds. Is this something I can find at FLAPS or
> > am I better off using screws or pop-rivets? I don't have a spot welder.
> >
> > And yes it needs to be sheet-metal not insulated duct board.
> >
> > Allan
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Re: [MBZ] sheet metal glue

2020-04-12 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
G Mann via Mercedes  writes:

> Not knowing just how "custom" your piece is, I'll hazard a suggestion.

Nothing too weird. Sort of a non-symmetrical trapezoidal prism shape,
roughly 7x9x11 inches.

> Try a 3M product called VHB double sided tape... VHB stands for "Very High
> Bond"... and once it sticks... it sticks.. so you might need to "learn" how
> to best use the tape to get your desired result.
> It was developed to hold emblems on cars, and is now used to attach things
> like spoilers and fender flares.. holds up in heat and cold... etc..
>
> Marginally expensive... not horrible... ACE hardware has it.

Thanks, I'll look for it.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] sheet metal glue

2020-04-12 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Not knowing just how "custom" your piece is, I'll hazard a suggestion.

Try a 3M product called VHB double sided tape... VHB stands for "Very High
Bond"... and once it sticks... it sticks.. so you might need to "learn" how
to best use the tape to get your desired result.
It was developed to hold emblems on cars, and is now used to attach things
like spoilers and fender flares.. holds up in heat and cold... etc..

Marginally expensive... not horrible... ACE hardware has it.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I like self tapping screws or pop rivets.
>
> Michael E. Esh
>
>
> > On Apr 12, 2020, at 6:04 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Long-ish story, but I'm working on making a custom transisition piece
> > between two non-standard duct sizes. I have mocked up what I need to
> > make using paperboard, but for the sheet metal I'll need to connect a
> > few lap seams. I recall that auto panel assembly now uses some sort of
> > glue rather than spot welds. Is this something I can find at FLAPS or am
> > I better off using screws or pop-rivets? I don't have a spot welder.
> >
> > And yes it needs to be sheet-metal not insulated duct board.
> >
> > Allan
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Re: [MBZ] sheet metal glue

2020-04-12 Thread Michael Esh via Mercedes
I like self tapping screws or pop rivets. 

Michael E. Esh


> On Apr 12, 2020, at 6:04 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Long-ish story, but I'm working on making a custom transisition piece
> between two non-standard duct sizes. I have mocked up what I need to
> make using paperboard, but for the sheet metal I'll need to connect a
> few lap seams. I recall that auto panel assembly now uses some sort of
> glue rather than spot welds. Is this something I can find at FLAPS or am
> I better off using screws or pop-rivets? I don't have a spot welder.
> 
> And yes it needs to be sheet-metal not insulated duct board.
> 
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] sheet metal glue

2020-04-12 Thread Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes
I think panel adhesives are epoxy based.
If it's just ductwork, I'd probably use a calking gun and Liquid Nails.


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[MBZ] sheet metal glue

2020-04-12 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
Long-ish story, but I'm working on making a custom transisition piece
between two non-standard duct sizes. I have mocked up what I need to
make using paperboard, but for the sheet metal I'll need to connect a
few lap seams. I recall that auto panel assembly now uses some sort of
glue rather than spot welds. Is this something I can find at FLAPS or am
I better off using screws or pop-rivets? I don't have a spot welder.

And yes it needs to be sheet-metal not insulated duct board.

Allan

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