Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee
Marshall used to say graphite was a no-no if you had an alarm... I've got some Dupont branded PTFE with graphite in an alcohol carrier thats pretty terrific stuff. The Jetta's locks get sticky, I give it a shot with that and its all better. The driver's lock has finally settled down and acts good, the trunk still needs a periodic shot. I should pull that lock and clean it. -Curt Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 17:23:38 -0400 From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee Message-ID: 1d0c9f0a-eb5e-4deb-b998-6a4ba9b2b...@penoff.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just order a new key from the dealer with your VIN. Cheap, and you'll be sure that it's the right key. NEVER, EVER put oil in a lock. You will make a mess of it for sure. Get a tube of graphite from your local hardware store, or rub a pencil lead all over the key (powered graphite works much better.) Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee
I'm not sure why, as later models used an external microswitch to sense the lock position. You couldn't get stuff on it from spraying the cylinder down if you wanted to. For that matter, W123, W124 and W126 models didn't do anything with the alarm and lock cylinders that I know of, unless it was the ignition cylinder. Dan Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2014, at 9:00 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Marshall used to say graphite was a no-no if you had an alarm... I've got some Dupont branded PTFE with graphite in an alcohol carrier thats pretty terrific stuff. The Jetta's locks get sticky, I give it a shot with that and its all better. The driver's lock has finally settled down and acts good, the trunk still needs a periodic shot. I should pull that lock and clean it. -Curt Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 17:23:38 -0400 From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee Message-ID: 1d0c9f0a-eb5e-4deb-b998-6a4ba9b2b...@penoff.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just order a new key from the dealer with your VIN. Cheap, and you'll be sure that it's the right key. NEVER, EVER put oil in a lock. You will make a mess of it for sure. Get a tube of graphite from your local hardware store, or rub a pencil lead all over the key (powered graphite works much better.) Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee
Isn't it interesting that Dan and I can disagree? I said I was advised to use oil. He said one should never use oil. Neither one of us called the other any inappropriate names etc. Quite civilized. Randy On 25/03/2014 4:23 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Just order a new key from the dealer with your VIN. Cheap, and you'll be sure that it's the right key. NEVER, EVER put oil in a lock. You will make a mess of it for sure. Get a tube of graphite from your local hardware store, or rub a pencil lead all over the key (powered graphite works much better.) Dan On Mar 25, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 25/03/2014 2:23 PM, Van Knutson wrote: Just for shats giggles, I, for the first time since buying the car 4 yrs ago, put the spade key in the door instead of using electronic ingress as usual. It fit but gave no inkling of turning / unlocking the car. I confess testing the physical key in the door didn't occur to me @ time of sale. Is it possible that, the tumbler had filled with crud after not being penetrated in god knows how long (it was 10 yrs old when I bought it in 2009 and may never have been tested for all I know), or that the key / tumbler combo was a mismatch from the getgo? I don't want to go around wantonly spraying WD40 everywhere and really mess things up. I am nervous in that I am one dead wristwatch battery away from being permanently locked out of my car. 99 E 320 Maybe talk to a locksmith? I had an issue with one of the deadbolts on my house and took it to a locksmith with the intention of buying a new lock like it as I thought it was worn out. They looked at it and suggested all that it really needed was good lubrication. They sold me a small but expensive bottle of oil that they recommended and I did what they suggested. Has been several years now with no problems. I should probably lube it again while I am remembering this. No idea if some lesser oil (or Mobil1) would have done the trick but the advice from the locksmith was free so I think I more than broke even. He could just as easily have sold me a new $100 lock. Randy ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee
That's probably because you are a lawyer and Dan is a teacher. Both of you are trained to remain civil even when you are dealing with someone who is obviously and persistently wrong Personally, I think a lot of Americas troubles are due to having nearly all lawyers running the government. We ought to put a limit on the number of lawyers running things in Washington and go back to our early beginnings where duels were still a way of settling disagreements; mainly because there were not as many lawyers. Consider Rob Ford, your most famous and effective politician, Randy. Would he be as effective if he were a lawyer? Fortunately for Toronto he didn't go to law school. It wouldn't surprise me to see him become prime minister some day. [:o) Gerry On 3/26/2014 11:48 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: Isn't it interesting that Dan and I can disagree? I said I was advised to use oil. He said one should never use oil. Neither one of us called the other any inappropriate names etc. Quite civilized. Randy On 25/03/2014 4:23 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Just order a new key from the dealer with your VIN. Cheap, and you'll be sure that it's the right key. NEVER, EVER put oil in a lock. You will make a mess of it for sure. Get a tube of graphite from your local hardware store, or rub a pencil lead all over the key (powered graphite works much better.) Dan On Mar 25, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 25/03/2014 2:23 PM, Van Knutson wrote: Just for shats giggles, I, for the first time since buying the car 4 yrs ago, put the spade key in the door instead of using electronic ingress as usual. It fit but gave no inkling of turning / unlocking the car. I confess testing the physical key in the door didn't occur to me @ time of sale. Is it possible that, the tumbler had filled with crud after not being penetrated in god knows how long (it was 10 yrs old when I bought it in 2009 and may never have been tested for all I know), or that the key / tumbler combo was a mismatch from the getgo? I don't want to go around wantonly spraying WD40 everywhere and really mess things up. I am nervous in that I am one dead wristwatch battery away from being permanently locked out of my car. 99 E 320 Maybe talk to a locksmith? I had an issue with one of the deadbolts on my house and took it to a locksmith with the intention of buying a new lock like it as I thought it was worn out. They looked at it and suggested all that it really needed was good lubrication. They sold me a small but expensive bottle of oil that they recommended and I did what they suggested. Has been several years now with no problems. I should probably lube it again while I am remembering this. No idea if some lesser oil (or Mobil1) would have done the trick but the advice from the locksmith was free so I think I more than broke even. He could just as easily have sold me a new $100 lock. Randy ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee
in '85, a factory alarm was an option on the 300D, and it's activated by the key in either door. i'm not familiar with the construction of the internals of the key mechanism, but i do recall being told not to use graphite in that tumbler due to its electrical conductivity. ours has the alarm; it still works quite well. only problem we've had with it is when the hood sensor is knocked out of position by the valve cover during valve adjustments and not repositioned correctly. (naturally, this creates a problem that only surfaces with the alarm going off in the coldest part of the night...) cheers! e On 26/Mar/14 04:00, Dan Penoff wrote: I'm not sure why, as later models used an external microswitch to sense the lock position. You couldn't get stuff on it from spraying the cylinder down if you wanted to. For that matter, W123, W124 and W126 models didn't do anything with the alarm and lock cylinders that I know of, unless it was the ignition cylinder. Dan Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2014, at 9:00 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Marshall used to say graphite was a no-no if you had an alarm... I've got some Dupont branded PTFE with graphite in an alcohol carrier thats pretty terrific stuff. The Jetta's locks get sticky, I give it a shot with that and its all better. The driver's lock has finally settled down and acts good, the trunk still needs a periodic shot. I should pull that lock and clean it. -Curt Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 17:23:38 -0400 From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee Message-ID: 1d0c9f0a-eb5e-4deb-b998-6a4ba9b2b...@penoff.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just order a new key from the dealer with your VIN. Cheap, and you'll be sure that it's the right key. NEVER, EVER put oil in a lock. You will make a mess of it for sure. Get a tube of graphite from your local hardware store, or rub a pencil lead all over the key (powered graphite works much better.) Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee
Benz sells an MBZ approved lock lubricant. Cost unknown. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee in '85, a factory alarm was an option on the 300D, and it's activated by the key in either door. i'm not familiar with the construction of the internals of the key mechanism, but i do recall being told not to use graphite in that tumbler due to its electrical conductivity. ours has the alarm; it still works quite well. only problem we've had with it is when the hood sensor is knocked out of position by the valve cover during valve adjustments and not repositioned correctly. (naturally, this creates a problem that only surfaces with the alarm going off in the coldest part of the night...) cheers! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee
On 26/03/2014 11:36 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: That's probably because you are a lawyer and Dan is a teacher. Both of you are trained to remain civil even when you are dealing with someone who is obviously and persistently wrong Personally, I think a lot of Americas troubles are due to having nearly all lawyers running the government. We ought to put a limit on the number of lawyers running things in Washington and go back to our early beginnings where duels were still a way of settling disagreements; mainly because there were not as many lawyers. Consider Rob Ford, your most famous and effective politician, Randy. Would he be as effective if he were a lawyer? Fortunately for Toronto he didn't go to law school. It wouldn't surprise me to see him become prime minister some day. [:o) Gerry Well, I am not a very typical lawyer when it comes right down to it. I guess I am getting old, but I cannot help but think that things were better in the past and in Canada, at least, there were more lawyers in government in the past than there are now. Today we seem to be willing to elect or appoint media people just because they have become familiar faces. Not a good thing in my book. Look up Patrick Duffy and Pamela Wallen for example, or check out a couple of our recent Governor Generals who thought they had been appointed Queen. Ugh! I don't know what to say about Rob Ford. he is an obvious embarrassment to us all. Those of us who do not live in Toronto think to some extent that Toronto deserves him. What more can I say? God help us if he becomes PM. I guess I have to say the same about Trudeau JR. What an oddball. Probably a nice enough fellow but there does not appear to be the depth that should be there. Many do not like our current PM but I think Harper is a good fellow and doing fine in a tough and thankless job. Lots of interesting folks at the provincial level too. In Manitoba, our socialist leaning Premier, Selinger, is doing his best to bankrupt us. In Alberta, the Premier just resigned because she pi**ed off her own party. I think similar just happened in NFLD. Ontario has some oddball woman who is doing her best to make matters worse than they already are. Quebec has Marois who wants to abolish anything English and the word Canada but wants us to keep sending the cash etc. Saskatchewan, which used to be considered something of a hole between Ontario and BC is now booming and doing very well. Low taxes, lots of jobs etc. Who knew that would ever happen??? It has become a strange world. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee
You omitted your candid assessment of the Manotaba political establishment, or was that deliberate? Harper is public enemy no. 1 south of the border among environmentalists. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 26/03/2014 11:36 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: That's probably because you are a lawyer and Dan is a teacher. Both of you are trained to remain civil even when you are dealing with someone who is obviously and persistently wrong Personally, I think a lot of Americas troubles are due to having nearly all lawyers running the government. We ought to put a limit on the number of lawyers running things in Washington and go back to our early beginnings where duels were still a way of settling disagreements; mainly because there were not as many lawyers. Consider Rob Ford, your most famous and effective politician, Randy. Would he be as effective if he were a lawyer? Fortunately for Toronto he didn't go to law school. It wouldn't surprise me to see him become prime minister some day. [:o) Gerry Well, I am not a very typical lawyer when it comes right down to it. I guess I am getting old, but I cannot help but think that things were better in the past and in Canada, at least, there were more lawyers in government in the past than there are now. Today we seem to be willing to elect or appoint media people just because they have become familiar faces. Not a good thing in my book. Look up Patrick Duffy and Pamela Wallen for example, or check out a couple of our recent Governor Generals who thought they had been appointed Queen. Ugh! I don't know what to say about Rob Ford. he is an obvious embarrassment to us all. Those of us who do not live in Toronto think to some extent that Toronto deserves him. What more can I say? God help us if he becomes PM. I guess I have to say the same about Trudeau JR. What an oddball. Probably a nice enough fellow but there does not appear to be the depth that should be there. Many do not like our current PM but I think Harper is a good fellow and doing fine in a tough and thankless job. Lots of interesting folks at the provincial level too. In Manitoba, our socialist leaning Premier, Selinger, is doing his best to bankrupt us. In Alberta, the Premier just resigned because she pi**ed off her own party. I think similar just happened in NFLD. Ontario has some oddball woman who is doing her best to make matters worse than they already are. Quebec has Marois who wants to abolish anything English and the word Canada but wants us to keep sending the cash etc. Saskatchewan, which used to be considered something of a hole between Ontario and BC is now booming and doing very well. Low taxes, lots of jobs etc. Who knew that would ever happen??? It has become a strange world. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee
In Manitoba, our socialist leaning Premier, Selinger, is doing his best to bankrupt us. What more would you have me say? Our NDP government is spending like a drunk and raising taxes on a regular basis and telling us they are doing it all for us. Randy On 26/03/2014 12:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: You omitted your candid assessment of the Manotaba political establishment, or was that deliberate? Harper is public enemy no. 1 south of the border among environmentalists. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 26/03/2014 11:36 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: That's probably because you are a lawyer and Dan is a teacher. Both of you are trained to remain civil even when you are dealing with someone who is obviously and persistently wrong Personally, I think a lot of Americas troubles are due to having nearly all lawyers running the government. We ought to put a limit on the number of lawyers running things in Washington and go back to our early beginnings where duels were still a way of settling disagreements; mainly because there were not as many lawyers. Consider Rob Ford, your most famous and effective politician, Randy. Would he be as effective if he were a lawyer? Fortunately for Toronto he didn't go to law school. It wouldn't surprise me to see him become prime minister some day. [:o) Gerry Well, I am not a very typical lawyer when it comes right down to it. I guess I am getting old, but I cannot help but think that things were better in the past and in Canada, at least, there were more lawyers in government in the past than there are now. Today we seem to be willing to elect or appoint media people just because they have become familiar faces. Not a good thing in my book. Look up Patrick Duffy and Pamela Wallen for example, or check out a couple of our recent Governor Generals who thought they had been appointed Queen. Ugh! I don't know what to say about Rob Ford. he is an obvious embarrassment to us all. Those of us who do not live in Toronto think to some extent that Toronto deserves him. What more can I say? God help us if he becomes PM. I guess I have to say the same about Trudeau JR. What an oddball. Probably a nice enough fellow but there does not appear to be the depth that should be there. Many do not like our current PM but I think Harper is a good fellow and doing fine in a tough and thankless job. Lots of interesting folks at the provincial level too. In Manitoba, our socialist leaning Premier, Selinger, is doing his best to bankrupt us. In Alberta, the Premier just resigned because she pi**ed off her own party. I think similar just happened in NFLD. Ontario has some oddball woman who is doing her best to make matters worse than they already are. Quebec has Marois who wants to abolish anything English and the word Canada but wants us to keep sending the cash etc. Saskatchewan, which used to be considered something of a hole between Ontario and BC is now booming and doing very well. Low taxes, lots of jobs etc. Who knew that would ever happen??? It has become a strange world. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee
Sounds good to me. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: In Manitoba, our socialist leaning Premier, Selinger, is doing his best to bankrupt us. What more would you have me say? Our NDP government is spending like a drunk and raising taxes on a regular basis and telling us they are doing it all for us. Randy On 26/03/2014 12:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: You omitted your candid assessment of the Manotaba political establishment, or was that deliberate? Harper is public enemy no. 1 south of the border among environmentalists. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 26/03/2014 11:36 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: That's probably because you are a lawyer and Dan is a teacher. Both of you are trained to remain civil even when you are dealing with someone who is obviously and persistently wrong Personally, I think a lot of Americas troubles are due to having nearly all lawyers running the government. We ought to put a limit on the number of lawyers running things in Washington and go back to our early beginnings where duels were still a way of settling disagreements; mainly because there were not as many lawyers. Consider Rob Ford, your most famous and effective politician, Randy. Would he be as effective if he were a lawyer? Fortunately for Toronto he didn't go to law school. It wouldn't surprise me to see him become prime minister some day. [:o) Gerry Well, I am not a very typical lawyer when it comes right down to it. I guess I am getting old, but I cannot help but think that things were better in the past and in Canada, at least, there were more lawyers in government in the past than there are now. Today we seem to be willing to elect or appoint media people just because they have become familiar faces. Not a good thing in my book. Look up Patrick Duffy and Pamela Wallen for example, or check out a couple of our recent Governor Generals who thought they had been appointed Queen. Ugh! I don't know what to say about Rob Ford. he is an obvious embarrassment to us all. Those of us who do not live in Toronto think to some extent that Toronto deserves him. What more can I say? God help us if he becomes PM. I guess I have to say the same about Trudeau JR. What an oddball. Probably a nice enough fellow but there does not appear to be the depth that should be there. Many do not like our current PM but I think Harper is a good fellow and doing fine in a tough and thankless job. Lots of interesting folks at the provincial level too. In Manitoba, our socialist leaning Premier, Selinger, is doing his best to bankrupt us. In Alberta, the Premier just resigned because she pi**ed off her own party. I think similar just happened in NFLD. Ontario has some oddball woman who is doing her best to make matters worse than they already are. Quebec has Marois who wants to abolish anything English and the word Canada but wants us to keep sending the cash etc. Saskatchewan, which used to be considered something of a hole between Ontario and BC is now booming and doing very well. Low taxes, lots of jobs etc. Who knew that would ever happen??? It has become a strange world. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee
When in doubt, pinkies out. Or, do you have any Grey Poupon? Hee. Dan trying to be civilized Sent from my iPad On Mar 26, 2014, at 11:48 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Isn't it interesting that Dan and I can disagree? I said I was advised to use oil. He said one should never use oil. Neither one of us called the other any inappropriate names etc. Quite civilized. Randy On 25/03/2014 4:23 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Just order a new key from the dealer with your VIN. Cheap, and you'll be sure that it's the right key. NEVER, EVER put oil in a lock. You will make a mess of it for sure. Get a tube of graphite from your local hardware store, or rub a pencil lead all over the key (powered graphite works much better.) Dan On Mar 25, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 25/03/2014 2:23 PM, Van Knutson wrote: Just for shats giggles, I, for the first time since buying the car 4 yrs ago, put the spade key in the door instead of using electronic ingress as usual. It fit but gave no inkling of turning / unlocking the car. I confess testing the physical key in the door didn't occur to me @ time of sale. Is it possible that, the tumbler had filled with crud after not being penetrated in god knows how long (it was 10 yrs old when I bought it in 2009 and may never have been tested for all I know), or that the key / tumbler combo was a mismatch from the getgo? I don't want to go around wantonly spraying WD40 everywhere and really mess things up. I am nervous in that I am one dead wristwatch battery away from being permanently locked out of my car. 99 E 320 Maybe talk to a locksmith? I had an issue with one of the deadbolts on my house and took it to a locksmith with the intention of buying a new lock like it as I thought it was worn out. They looked at it and suggested all that it really needed was good lubrication. They sold me a small but expensive bottle of oil that they recommended and I did what they suggested. Has been several years now with no problems. I should probably lube it again while I am remembering this. No idea if some lesser oil (or Mobil1) would have done the trick but the advice from the locksmith was free so I think I more than broke even. He could just as easily have sold me a new $100 lock. Randy ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] spade key no workee
Just for shats giggles, I, for the first time since buying the car 4 yrs ago, put the spade key in the door instead of using electronic ingress as usual. It fit but gave no inkling of turning / unlocking the car. I confess testing the physical key in the door didn't occur to me @ time of sale. Is it possible that, the tumbler had filled with crud after not being penetrated in god knows how long (it was 10 yrs old when I bought it in 2009 and may never have been tested for all I know), or that the key / tumbler combo was a mismatch from the getgo? I don't want to go around wantonly spraying WD40 everywhere and really mess things up. I am nervous in that I am one dead wristwatch battery away from being permanently locked out of my car. 99 E 320 DBV, information minister. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee
On 25/03/2014 2:23 PM, Van Knutson wrote: Just for shats giggles, I, for the first time since buying the car 4 yrs ago, put the spade key in the door instead of using electronic ingress as usual. It fit but gave no inkling of turning / unlocking the car. I confess testing the physical key in the door didn't occur to me @ time of sale. Is it possible that, the tumbler had filled with crud after not being penetrated in god knows how long (it was 10 yrs old when I bought it in 2009 and may never have been tested for all I know), or that the key / tumbler combo was a mismatch from the getgo? I don't want to go around wantonly spraying WD40 everywhere and really mess things up. I am nervous in that I am one dead wristwatch battery away from being permanently locked out of my car. 99 E 320 Maybe talk to a locksmith? I had an issue with one of the deadbolts on my house and took it to a locksmith with the intention of buying a new lock like it as I thought it was worn out. They looked at it and suggested all that it really needed was good lubrication. They sold me a small but expensive bottle of oil that they recommended and I did what they suggested. Has been several years now with no problems. I should probably lube it again while I am remembering this. No idea if some lesser oil (or Mobil1) would have done the trick but the advice from the locksmith was free so I think I more than broke even. He could just as easily have sold me a new $100 lock. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee
Just order a new key from the dealer with your VIN. Cheap, and you'll be sure that it's the right key. NEVER, EVER put oil in a lock. You will make a mess of it for sure. Get a tube of graphite from your local hardware store, or rub a pencil lead all over the key (powered graphite works much better.) Dan On Mar 25, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 25/03/2014 2:23 PM, Van Knutson wrote: Just for shats giggles, I, for the first time since buying the car 4 yrs ago, put the spade key in the door instead of using electronic ingress as usual. It fit but gave no inkling of turning / unlocking the car. I confess testing the physical key in the door didn't occur to me @ time of sale. Is it possible that, the tumbler had filled with crud after not being penetrated in god knows how long (it was 10 yrs old when I bought it in 2009 and may never have been tested for all I know), or that the key / tumbler combo was a mismatch from the getgo? I don't want to go around wantonly spraying WD40 everywhere and really mess things up. I am nervous in that I am one dead wristwatch battery away from being permanently locked out of my car. 99 E 320 Maybe talk to a locksmith? I had an issue with one of the deadbolts on my house and took it to a locksmith with the intention of buying a new lock like it as I thought it was worn out. They looked at it and suggested all that it really needed was good lubrication. They sold me a small but expensive bottle of oil that they recommended and I did what they suggested. Has been several years now with no problems. I should probably lube it again while I am remembering this. No idea if some lesser oil (or Mobil1) would have done the trick but the advice from the locksmith was free so I think I more than broke even. He could just as easily have sold me a new $100 lock. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee
What would you use to clean it out? carb cleaner or something that will evaporate (assuming it cleans out whatever gunk is in there)? --R On 3/25/14 5:23 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Just order a new key from the dealer with your VIN. Cheap, and you'll be sure that it's the right key. NEVER, EVER put oil in a lock. You will make a mess of it for sure. Get a tube of graphite from your local hardware store, or rub a pencil lead all over the key (powered graphite works much better.) Dan On Mar 25, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 25/03/2014 2:23 PM, Van Knutson wrote: Just for shats giggles, I, for the first time since buying the car 4 yrs ago, put the spade key in the door instead of using electronic ingress as usual. It fit but gave no inkling of turning / unlocking the car. I confess testing the physical key in the door didn't occur to me @ time of sale. Is it possible that, the tumbler had filled with crud after not being penetrated in god knows how long (it was 10 yrs old when I bought it in 2009 and may never have been tested for all I know), or that the key / tumbler combo was a mismatch from the getgo? I don't want to go around wantonly spraying WD40 everywhere and really mess things up. I am nervous in that I am one dead wristwatch battery away from being permanently locked out of my car. 99 E 320 Maybe talk to a locksmith? I had an issue with one of the deadbolts on my house and took it to a locksmith with the intention of buying a new lock like it as I thought it was worn out. They looked at it and suggested all that it really needed was good lubrication. They sold me a small but expensive bottle of oil that they recommended and I did what they suggested. Has been several years now with no problems. I should probably lube it again while I am remembering this. No idea if some lesser oil (or Mobil1) would have done the trick but the advice from the locksmith was free so I think I more than broke even. He could just as easily have sold me a new $100 lock. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee
Something that wouldn't leave resigoo. When I worked for the school district I spoke to one of our staff locksmiths (yes, the place was so big they had two locksmiths on staff full time.) I asked him about getting MB keys duped along with some other lock related questions. He said that WD-40 was the best job security he ever had, as it would clean things out well, but the residue it left as well as being a crappy lubricant almost guaranteed that the lock would fail. I like 3M Adhesive Remover. Wicked stuff, won't hurt paint. Dan On Mar 25, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: What would you use to clean it out? carb cleaner or something that will evaporate (assuming it cleans out whatever gunk is in there)? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee
Local semi-retired locksmith advised several years ago that WD-40 was the best lubricant for locks. I don't know if it affects a locks longevity, but since then a squirt in my locks has solved all problems. Gerry On 3/25/2014 5:23 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Just order a new key from the dealer with your VIN. Cheap, and you'll be sure that it's the right key. NEVER, EVER put oil in a lock. You will make a mess of it for sure. Get a tube of graphite from your local hardware store, or rub a pencil lead all over the key (powered graphite works much better.) Dan On Mar 25, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 25/03/2014 2:23 PM, Van Knutson wrote: Just for shats giggles, I, for the first time since buying the car 4 yrs ago, put the spade key in the door instead of using electronic ingress as usual. It fit but gave no inkling of turning / unlocking the car. I confess testing the physical key in the door didn't occur to me @ time of sale. Is it possible that, the tumbler had filled with crud after not being penetrated in god knows how long (it was 10 yrs old when I bought it in 2009 and may never have been tested for all I know), or that the key / tumbler combo was a mismatch from the getgo? I don't want to go around wantonly spraying WD40 everywhere and really mess things up. I am nervous in that I am one dead wristwatch battery away from being permanently locked out of my car. 99 E 320 Maybe talk to a locksmith? I had an issue with one of the deadbolts on my house and took it to a locksmith with the intention of buying a new lock like it as I thought it was worn out. They looked at it and suggested all that it really needed was good lubrication. They sold me a small but expensive bottle of oil that they recommended and I did what they suggested. Has been several years now with no problems. I should probably lube it again while I am remembering this. No idea if some lesser oil (or Mobil1) would have done the trick but the advice from the locksmith was free so I think I more than broke even. He could just as easily have sold me a new $100 lock. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee in lockey
Have you tried the other locks? Do you have another key? As said, it's possible that someone fitted another ignition lock to your car. Also as said, spraying liquid in there will turn the crud into crud mud and may well make things worse. The problem is the crud has to come out somehow and the only sure fire method is disassembly if possible. Hendrik who should test his locks On 26/03/14 05:53, Van Knutson wrote: Just for shats giggles, I, for the first time since buying the car 4 yrs ago, put the spade key in the door instead of using electronic ingress as usual. It fit but gave no inkling of turning / unlocking the car. I confess testing the physical key in the door didn't occur to me @ time of sale. Is it possible that, the tumbler had filled with crud after not being penetrated in god knows how long (it was 10 yrs old when I bought it in 2009 and may never have been tested for all I know), or that the key / tumbler combo was a mismatch from the getgo? I don't want to go around wantonly spraying WD40 everywhere and really mess things up. I am nervous in that I am one dead wristwatch battery away from being permanently locked out of my car. 99 E 320 DBV, information minister. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee in theory
It depends on the lock design I think, as I said if the gunk has no where to go it will turn into liquid gunk and get into all the tiny crevices. General consensus is that if you need lubricant to help operate the lock, the lock is close to failing completely. Ignition locks being the most obvious example. I think it was mentioned somewhere that ATF is the best liquid lubricant to use, as it does not attract dust or some such thing. Theory would suggest that a keyless entry vehicles lock should be cleaner than the older style turn the key to open, as there is potential for dirt entry every time you use the lock. Hendrik who is theorizing again On 26/03/14 10:05, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Local semi-retired locksmith advised several years ago that WD-40 was the best lubricant for locks. I don't know if it affects a locks longevity, but since then a squirt in my locks has solved all problems. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee
Gerry wrote: Local semi-retired locksmith advised several years ago that WD-40 was the best lubricant for locks. How about Dri-Slide which has carrier that evaporates and graphite? We used to use it repairing Schwinn bikes - used it for brake and derailleur cables. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee in lockey
I have had great success with a product called TriFlo. It is a mixture of teflon particles and a liquid carrier agent in a spray can, the liquid evaporates leaving the tiny teflon particles behind to lubricate. The advantage is, it leaves nothing to collect or attract dirt and dust. The liquid part also carries away the debris sort like brake cleaner, with good success. Since the lock or small part is left coated with teflon, it doesn't freeze or clog [well in a perfect world, of course]. I was first introduced to it over 20 yrs ago racing dirt bikes. It worked well under those harsh conditions and I've used it since for all kinds of things. On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: Have you tried the other locks? Do you have another key? As said, it's possible that someone fitted another ignition lock to your car. Also as said, spraying liquid in there will turn the crud into crud mud and may well make things worse. The problem is the crud has to come out somehow and the only sure fire method is disassembly if possible. Hendrik who should test his locks On 26/03/14 05:53, Van Knutson wrote: Just for shats giggles, I, for the first time since buying the car 4 yrs ago, put the spade key in the door instead of using electronic ingress as usual. It fit but gave no inkling of turning / unlocking the car. I confess testing the physical key in the door didn't occur to me @ time of sale. Is it possible that, the tumbler had filled with crud after not being penetrated in god knows how long (it was 10 yrs old when I bought it in 2009 and may never have been tested for all I know), or that the key / tumbler combo was a mismatch from the getgo? I don't want to go around wantonly spraying WD40 everywhere and really mess things up. I am nervous in that I am one dead wristwatch battery away from being permanently locked out of my car. 99 E 320 DBV, information minister. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
