Re: [MBZ] w124 rear springs

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

On sls cars the sls valve adjust does the height.

I just made the axle shafts about level on the bench and tightened
everything down. It is hard enough to get it all tight on the bench; like
10 fasteners of varying sizes per side. Complete pain. It is about right
once the sls is adjusted to replicate the position in situ.

On Mon, Dec 23, 2019, 2:51 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
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> The rubber acts as a spring, if you clamp the links while they are hanging
> down the rear will sit high with the wheels "tucked in".  Drives very
> poorly.  Jack the wheel carrier to normal ride height before tightening.
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Re: [MBZ] w124 rear springs

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

The rubber acts as a spring, if you clamp the links while they are hanging down 
the rear will sit high with the wheels "tucked in".  Drives very poorly.  Jack 
the wheel carrier to normal ride height before tightening.
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Re: [MBZ] w124 rear springs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

it is so that in normal resting position, there is no torque on the 
rubber.  Normal running will then twist the rubber one way or the 
other.   If you tighten them down in full down position, the rubber is 
always torqued at rest, and overtorqued at full compression.   It is 
only at rest when you are doing a bullitt and have the car flying 
through the air.



Larry Turner via Mercedes 
December 23, 2019 at 3:38 PM
That is exactly correct.  It comes from every WSM I have owned.  They 
want the rubber to be in the driving position - I used to know the 
complete reasoning but it's lost in the Way Back Machine.


Larry



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Re: [MBZ] w124 rear springs

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

That is exactly correct.  It comes from every WSM I have owned.  They 
want the rubber to be in the driving position - I used to know the 
complete reasoning but it's lost in the Way Back Machine.


Larry

On 10/28/2019 2:00 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 07:30:19 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:


Hmmm, I thought the torque of the control arm nuts and bolts was
supposed to be done with the car resting on all four wheels, in "ready
to drive" condition (nothing loaded but full fuel tank and all fluids
topped up, spare tire and tools in place).

Yes, that is what I have heard, too.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] w124 rear springs

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 07:30:19 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Hmmm, I thought the torque of the control arm nuts and bolts was
> supposed to be done with the car resting on all four wheels, in "ready
> to drive" condition (nothing loaded but full fuel tank and all fluids
> topped up, spare tire and tools in place).

Yes, that is what I have heard, too.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] w124 rear springs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

yes.  all 10 links are to be loose until the weight of the car is on 
them.  then tighten.   most easily done if you have lotsa 2x8 - 2x12 
blocks, or an alignment rack, etc.   Good catch!


Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 10/28/19 6:30 AM:

Hmmm, I thought the torque of the control arm nuts and bolts was supposed
to be done with the car resting on all four wheels, in "ready to drive"
condition (nothing loaded but full fuel tank and all fluids topped up,
spare tire and tools in place).  I think that the rear axles have just a
slight downward angle in this position?
-
Max
Charleston SC





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Re: [MBZ] w124 rear springs

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

That’s what I thought. I know they do on a 123 etc.

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> On Oct 27, 2019, at 10:17 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I thought the rear springs would come out with the car up and the shock 
> unbolted.  I know they do with 110 and 123, and I am pretty sure i've done it 
> on the 124.
> 
> Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 10/27/19 9:43 PM:
>> Is it possible to get these back in without the compressor? I torqued
>> everything with the subframe on the bench and there is no way I am doing
>> that again, the control arm wont go down all the way even with my 100lb kid
>> standing on the hub. I guess I am looking for a compressor tomorrow.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] w124 rear springs

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I checked it on the e420 and they were pretty flat. I think you just dont
want to have them all the way down.

On Mon, Oct 28, 2019, 4:31 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Hmmm, I thought the torque of the control arm nuts and bolts was supposed
> to be done with the car resting on all four wheels, in "ready to drive"
> condition (nothing loaded but full fuel tank and all fluids topped up,
> spare tire and tools in place).  I think that the rear axles have just a
> slight downward angle in this position?
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 12:44 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Yeah, they came out fine. Getting them back in without a compressor is
> the
> > question. One is supposed to torque all the bolts with the axles
> > horizontal; this means all the bushings are holding the control arms up
> > when the subframe is bolted back in. If you put the springs in before
> > jacking the subframe up, you are now fighting the bushing torque as the
> > springs push down on it all. Getting the bolts started is hard
> > enough without that. So I bolted the frame in, but now there is no way to
> > get the springs back in without a compressor.
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 8:18 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I thought the rear springs would come out with the car up and the shock
> > > unbolted.  I know they do with 110 and 123, and I am pretty sure i've
> > > done it on the 124.
> > >
> > > Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 10/27/19 9:43 PM:
> > > > Is it possible to get these back in without the compressor? I torqued
> > > > everything with the subframe on the bench and there is no way I am
> > doing
> > > > that again, the control arm wont go down all the way even with my
> 100lb
> > > kid
> > > > standing on the hub. I guess I am looking for a compressor tomorrow.
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] w124 rear springs

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Hmmm, I thought the torque of the control arm nuts and bolts was supposed
to be done with the car resting on all four wheels, in "ready to drive"
condition (nothing loaded but full fuel tank and all fluids topped up,
spare tire and tools in place).  I think that the rear axles have just a
slight downward angle in this position?
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 12:44 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yeah, they came out fine. Getting them back in without a compressor is the
> question. One is supposed to torque all the bolts with the axles
> horizontal; this means all the bushings are holding the control arms up
> when the subframe is bolted back in. If you put the springs in before
> jacking the subframe up, you are now fighting the bushing torque as the
> springs push down on it all. Getting the bolts started is hard
> enough without that. So I bolted the frame in, but now there is no way to
> get the springs back in without a compressor.
>
> On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 8:18 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I thought the rear springs would come out with the car up and the shock
> > unbolted.  I know they do with 110 and 123, and I am pretty sure i've
> > done it on the 124.
> >
> > Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 10/27/19 9:43 PM:
> > > Is it possible to get these back in without the compressor? I torqued
> > > everything with the subframe on the bench and there is no way I am
> doing
> > > that again, the control arm wont go down all the way even with my 100lb
> > kid
> > > standing on the hub. I guess I am looking for a compressor tomorrow.
> > >
> > >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] w124 rear springs

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yeah, they came out fine. Getting them back in without a compressor is the
question. One is supposed to torque all the bolts with the axles
horizontal; this means all the bushings are holding the control arms up
when the subframe is bolted back in. If you put the springs in before
jacking the subframe up, you are now fighting the bushing torque as the
springs push down on it all. Getting the bolts started is hard
enough without that. So I bolted the frame in, but now there is no way to
get the springs back in without a compressor.

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 8:18 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I thought the rear springs would come out with the car up and the shock
> unbolted.  I know they do with 110 and 123, and I am pretty sure i've
> done it on the 124.
>
> Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 10/27/19 9:43 PM:
> > Is it possible to get these back in without the compressor? I torqued
> > everything with the subframe on the bench and there is no way I am doing
> > that again, the control arm wont go down all the way even with my 100lb
> kid
> > standing on the hub. I guess I am looking for a compressor tomorrow.
> >
> >
>
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[MBZ] w124 rear springs

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Is it possible to get these back in without the compressor? I torqued
everything with the subframe on the bench and there is no way I am doing
that again, the control arm wont go down all the way even with my 100lb kid
standing on the hub. I guess I am looking for a compressor tomorrow.

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