Re: [MBZ] Water Wetter
Doing a fluid change on the e300d a few years ago, I used it as insurance for the trip from Seattle to D.C. and Florida. No great heat at home to worry about, but I knew I would be doing hills and heat close to the Atlantic and midwest. Worked like a charm, keeping the temps under 110 in traffic On Nov 12, 2006, at 6:27 AM, John Peterson wrote: I had the Redline water wetter in my Saab- it did drop the temp by a noticeable amount at idle in the summer. John Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does that Wetter Water Redline stuff do anything? Regards Tom Scordato ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
[MBZ] Water Wetter
I had the Redline water wetter in my Saab- it did drop the temp by a noticeable amount at idle in the summer. John Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does that Wetter Water Redline stuff do anything? Regards Tom Scordato ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I agree but the stuff only works if you have a heat problem. Water Wetter will not drop your temperature below your thermostat temperature. But, if you have a heat problem it's not a known design flaw with the car then the best solution is to ID fix the cause instead of adding something to help with cooling. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Peterson Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 8:27 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Water Wetter I had the Redline water wetter in my Saab- it did drop the temp by a noticeable amount at idle in the summer. John Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does that Wetter Water Redline stuff do anything? Regards Tom Scordato ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hey hey hey hey hey ... That aren't THAT slow after they kick into 3rd gear -- in flat terrain. On 12/13/05, Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didn't someone mention taking their 240D bracket racing, once? Where is there drag strip with a sundial or an hourglass for a timer? Rick Knoble 1985 300 CD ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 1977 240D 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
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Don; go racing with the K bike, and wear your steel armor. On 12/13/05, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So ... if I decide to race my 240D into a stock car on the local 1/4 mile dirt track, I should consider using this product? Maybe not a bad idea, because the other drivers would be laughing so hard that they'd probably all run off the track. On 12/13/05, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... there is no reason it should be required in MOST Mercedes (manufactured in the las couple of decades) that are operating correctly and are being used for transportation (as opposed to racing or pulling trailers)! Marshall -- 1977 240D 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D
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Ok, here's the deal on Water Wetter. It is most efficient when used with water only and no coolant. The more coolant the less effective it is. A lot of PCA members run straight Water Wetter in their 924's 944's when Club Racing. When used with no water or no coolant it is a very worthwhile product and can lower engine temperatures by 20 degrees. We sell it for $7.00 per bottle. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. http://www.BuyMBparts.com 1-800-741-5252
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Has anyone used this coolant additive that is supposed to enhance the cooling capabilities of the coolant by around 20 degrees ? Is this product on the list of approved additives ? Thanks, Dan E 82 300D-T 90kmi Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection.
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We recently had a thread on this. Marshall endorses it...don't think anyone objected. I went out and bought three bottles - 1 for the SD, 1 for the TD and one to sit on the shelf to remind me about it in the future. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Has anyone used this coolant additive that is supposed to enhance the cooling capabilities of the coolant by around 20 degrees ? Is this product on the list of approved additives ? Thanks, Dan E 82 300D-T 90kmi Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 150K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 210K, Wulf -1976 240D, ?K, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen) -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Dec 13 14:49:06 2005 Received: from sccmmhc91.asp.att.net ([204.127.203.211]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EmBSj-0002ek-VJ for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:49:06 + Received: from lono2.leadingchange.com (12-216-11-137.client.mchsi.com[12.216.11.137]) by sccmmhc91.asp.att.net (sccmmhc91) with SMTP id 20051213144902m91003f0r5e; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:49:02 + Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.308 [266.7.2]); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:49:01 -0600 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:46:22 -0600 To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Block heater pyrotechnics X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes mailing list mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:49:06 - it is not advisable for people with pacemakers to play with 120v. It also helps to have callouses on your fingers. Almost all the patrons of said hardware store were farmers with calloused fingers. Burkie would not let you grab the wires if your fingers were wet. Worst zap I ever got was one leg of 440 in the basement of the Turtle Bay HIlton while kneeling in a puddle of water. That got my attention! I had taken all the precautions available, but was nervous about the water. Needless to say, I took even more precautions while finishing the job. I am not advocating being stupid. A couple of guys I have known have been electrocuted. I AM saying that 120v with dry skin and rubber/plastic soled shoes is not the mortal shock some are advocating, (unless you have a pacemaker.) It is just introducing a bit of perspective into the discussion of replacing cords. I am very cautious around electricity. My point is only that if you take proper precautions, such as wearing rubber soled shoes and keeping your feet dry, most contact with low voltage is not fatal, and nothing to get hysterical about. If a new cord was used and routed over a wear/abrasion point, it is just as possible that it could theoretically pass 120 V to the chassis (after a period of time) as a repaired cord. A properly repaired cord is not a death sentence. At 07:05 AM 12/13/2005, you wrote: That could end up one hell of a catastrophe about time the doubter 's pacemaker went poof StupidReally, really stupid. Mike - Original Message - From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Block heater pyrotechnics Naa, just a tickle. !20V grounded through a person to the Mississippi river will get said person's attention, but it is not generally fatal. I knew a guy who ran a hardware store. He kept a cord with bare wires. He would
Re: [MBZ] water wetter
I use it in all my vehicles. My 300CE tends to run warm and it seemed to help in the summer, the 85 Jeep Grand Wagoneer didn't benefit as much. Alan Duff Knoxville, TN On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:37:42 -0800 (PST), Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : We recently had a thread on this. Marshall endorses it...don't think anyone objected. I went out and bought three bottles - 1 for the SD, 1 for the TD and one to sit on the shelf to remind me about it in the future. Chris
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone used this coolant additive that is supposed to enhance the cooling capabilities of the coolant by around 20 degrees ? Is this product on the list of approved additives ? It is NOT approved (never been submitted for approval as far as I know), but I can't imagine how it could harm the engine. There is NO number of degrees that it improves cooling! I does allow a little to a lot better cooling to occur by lowering surface tension and allowing greater heat transfer between the metal surfaces and the liquid, but the effect is dependent on the concentration of anti-freeze in your coolant (the more anti-freeze the smaller the cooling improvement). I have used Water Wetter and it's a VERY good product, but there is no reason it should be required in MOST Mercedes (manufactured in the las couple of decades) that are operating correctly and are being used for transportation (as opposed to racing or pulling trailers)! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] water wetter
So ... if I decide to race my 240D into a stock car on the local 1/4 mile dirt track, I should consider using this product? Maybe not a bad idea, because the other drivers would be laughing so hard that they'd probably all run off the track. On 12/13/05, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... there is no reason it should be required in MOST Mercedes (manufactured in the las couple of decades) that are operating correctly and are being used for transportation (as opposed to racing or pulling trailers)! Marshall -- 1977 240D 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
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LT Don wrote: So ... if I decide to race my 240D into a stock car on the local 1/4 mile dirt track, I should consider using this product? Maybe not a bad idea, because the other drivers would be laughing so hard that they'd probably all run off the track. Didn't someone mention taking their 240D bracket racing, once? I remember something about winning a round because the other car had to idle so long, waiting for its light, that its spark plugs fouled. ;)
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I was referring to our 1/4 mile oval. On 12/13/05, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LT Don wrote: So ... if I decide to race my 240D into a stock car on the local 1/4 mile dirt track, I should consider using this product? Maybe not a bad idea, because the other drivers would be laughing so hard that they'd probably all run off the track. Didn't someone mention taking their 240D bracket racing, once? I remember something about winning a round because the other car had to idle so long, waiting for its light, that its spark plugs fouled. ;) ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 1977 240D 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
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i think you use pure water in racing as it has the best heat transfer and water wetter helps all the more. No? Chris LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was referring to our 1/4 mile oval. On 12/13/05, David Brodbeck wrote: LT Don wrote: So ... if I decide to race my 240D into a stock car on the local 1/4 mile dirt track, I should consider using this product? Maybe not a bad idea, because the other drivers would be laughing so hard that they'd probably all run off the track. Didn't someone mention taking their 240D bracket racing, once? I remember something about winning a round because the other car had to idle so long, waiting for its light, that its spark plugs fouled. ;) ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 1977 240D 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 150K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 210K, Wulf -1976 240D, ?K, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen) -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Dec 13 23:14:33 2005 Received: from smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.198.205]) by server5.arterytc5.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EmJLt-0006VX-D4 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:14:33 + Received: (qmail 91697 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2005 23:14:30 - Received: from unknown (HELO douglas31ey8mf) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]@71.141.224.143 with login) by smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2005 23:14:29 - Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: jgiels [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:14:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ignition key problems (best way to start engine without ?) X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes mailing list mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:14:34 - Ok .. I have seen this quite alot as a email. I know this isn't the same as replacing the cylinder. I used a can of electrical contact cleaner. With the little tube that is on the WD40 can.. and just sprayed the hell out of it.. I let it try for quite some time (as I did this at work at lunch) has worked fine ever since.. Douglas. 1980 300D - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 7:38 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ignition key problems (best way to start engine without ?) Curt Raymond wrote: Oh man I went through this Sunday with the 190D. My Indy called today yeah its been fine for me I assume you turned the wheel to take the pressure off the steering lock, but to no immediate effect? ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] water wetter
Didn't someone mention taking their 240D bracket racing, once? Where is there drag strip with a sundial or an hourglass for a timer? Rick Knoble 1985 300 CD
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Christopher McCann wrote: Picked up a few bottles, mainly for the 603 in the 300TD, but figured it can't hurt the 300SD, so will put in there too. Since there is no cap on the radiator, but only on reserve/overflow tank, do you think it's OK to take 12 oz of 50/50 out of the over flow tank, add the bottle of water wetter and just let it slowly mix by convection and raising/lowering of the coolant level in the over flow tank? Ideally it would be added when coolant is flushed and replenished, but that's a ways off for both cars. That will work (it will eventually be completely mixed), but I'd remove more (from the radiator drain) and then add all but 12 oz back after the Water Wetter is added. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
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good idea. will do, thanks, Marshall. Chris Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher McCann wrote: Picked up a few bottles, mainly for the 603 in the 300TD, but figured it can't hurt the 300SD, so will put in there too. Since there is no cap on the radiator, but only on reserve/overflow tank, do you think it's OK to take 12 oz of 50/50 out of the over flow tank, add the bottle of water wetter and just let it slowly mix by convection and raising/lowering of the coolant level in the over flow tank? Ideally it would be added when coolant is flushed and replenished, but that's a ways off for both cars. That will work (it will eventually be completely mixed), but I'd remove more (from the radiator drain) and then add all but 12 oz back after the Water Wetter is added. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 150K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 209K, Wulf -1976 240D, ?K, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen) -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Nov 13 20:51:34 2005 Received: from web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.200.69]) by server1.arterytc1.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EbOp4-T4-6s for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:51:34 + Received: (qmail 49119 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Nov 2005 20:51:32 - DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=eDvHAtTxjDkh8rO8nTkApHR9SUjcIw1YC985eY04lSlWeQxQCFWfFNOD7I+LJUEXF2VZ/fQP4aVuE9H7OdnPpTOEEkhmv6EK5Oze0dq+SZw5VcuV3U4kVsmCwdX4etiTWZmp/oKXt7QmQGpNqZwh42TCJkYXcylav2vTa8UK0ys= ; Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from [66.140.70.226] by web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 12:51:31 PST Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 12:51:31 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: [MBZ] EGR Blocking kit sign up - ACHTUNG! X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes mailing list mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:51:34 - I went to the link, signed up for the forum and privately e-mailed my order to Brian Carlton. IF ANYONE ELSE IS INTERESTED, please do the same...looks like we are at about 25 kits and how does them in batches of 30...you won't be on the list unless you contact him as I have above. Thanks, Chris Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris My apologies for hiding the link, it was shoved to the bottom of my reply. To get on the list for EGR kits, go to this site: http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum/showthread.php3?p=1010792posted=1#post1010792 Brian Carlton makes the kits and if you go to post #32 you will see what is provided. If I take your orders, I'll tack on my fee and the kits will cost you about $3,750 each, not worth it IMHO. :-) Sorry for the misunderstanding. Harry Watkins Newton, MS 86 SDL Silver 85 300D Euro 86 SDL Gold 81 240D manual trans - Original Message - From: Christopher McCann To: Harry Watkins ; Mercedes mailing list Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] valve adjust EGR awfullness I need one for a 603 and 617. I will talk to my friends and am almost certain that we will take, in addition, 3 more for a 617. do 616's have EGR's? don't think they do...if so, we'll be adding another 3. Please let me know on the 616 and I will check with my