Re: [MBZ] well bugger. 07E350...
So it cranked slower and slower until finally "clunk". That sounds like the probably didn't have enough energy to cause further damage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] well bugger. 07E350...
It was spinning fine, then it seemed like either the battery or starter was failing. It spinned (spun?) slowly a coupla times then clunk and no spinnies. Charged up the battery but would still just clunk. Changed the starter and still just clunk. Tried to spin by hand forward and nothing though it will go backwards a bit. Should’ve tried that before going to the trouble of changing starter. This suggests chain is broken or bound up inside but could be something else I suppose. Guides broken? —FT Sent from my iPad > On Jan 9, 2024, at 7:38 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes > wrote: > > On 2024-01-09 12:22, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: >> Is this an interference engine? > > Fortunately I don't think he ever started it before it stopped spinning > freely. > I don't know how much valve damage, if any, you'd get if the chain failed at > cranking speed. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] well bugger. 07E350...
On Tue, 09 Jan 2024 19:37:32 -0500 mitch--- via Mercedes wrote: > On 2024-01-09 12:22, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: > > Is this an interference engine? > > > > Fortunately I don't think he ever started it before it stopped spinning > freely. > I don't know how much valve damage, if any, you'd get if the chain > failed at cranking speed. Some starters can be rather powerful ... Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] well bugger. 07E350...
On 2024-01-09 12:22, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Is this an interference engine? Fortunately I don't think he ever started it before it stopped spinning freely. I don't know how much valve damage, if any, you'd get if the chain failed at cranking speed. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] well bugger. 07E350...
Most likely. Almost all modern engines are. On Tue, Jan 9, 2024, at 15:08, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: > I don’t know. Will have to check that out. M272 > > --FT > Sent from iFōn > >> On Jan 9, 2024, at 12:23 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Is this an interference engine? >> >> Randy >> >> >>> On 09/01/2024 11:18 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: >>> I’m thinking timing chain at this point >>> --FT >>> Sent from iFōn >>> > On Jan 9, 2024, at 12:09 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: Not sure if that is good news or bad. Randy > On 09/01/2024 11:00 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: > I did that yesterday, no problems there > > --FT > Sent from iFōn > >>> On Jan 9, 2024, at 11:13 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes >>> wrote: >> Pull the plugs and make sure it is not hydro locked? >> >> Randy >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] well bugger. 07E350...
I don’t know. Will have to check that out. M272 --FT Sent from iFōn > On Jan 9, 2024, at 12:23 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > > Is this an interference engine? > > Randy > > >> On 09/01/2024 11:18 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: >> I’m thinking timing chain at this point >> --FT >> Sent from iFōn >> On Jan 9, 2024, at 12:09 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> Not sure if that is good news or bad. >>> >>> Randy >>> >>> On 09/01/2024 11:00 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: I did that yesterday, no problems there --FT Sent from iFōn >> On Jan 9, 2024, at 11:13 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes >> wrote: > Pull the plugs and make sure it is not hydro locked? > > Randy > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] well bugger. 07E350...
Is this an interference engine? Randy On 09/01/2024 11:18 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: I’m thinking timing chain at this point --FT Sent from iFōn On Jan 9, 2024, at 12:09 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Not sure if that is good news or bad. Randy On 09/01/2024 11:00 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: I did that yesterday, no problems there --FT Sent from iFōn On Jan 9, 2024, at 11:13 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Pull the plugs and make sure it is not hydro locked? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] well bugger. 07E350...
I’m thinking timing chain at this point --FT Sent from iFōn > On Jan 9, 2024, at 12:09 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > > Not sure if that is good news or bad. > > Randy > > >> On 09/01/2024 11:00 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: >> I did that yesterday, no problems there >> >> --FT >> Sent from iFōn >> On Jan 9, 2024, at 11:13 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> Pull the plugs and make sure it is not hydro locked? >>> >>> Randy >>> >>> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] well bugger. 07E350...
Not sure if that is good news or bad. Randy On 09/01/2024 11:00 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: I did that yesterday, no problems there --FT Sent from iFōn On Jan 9, 2024, at 11:13 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Pull the plugs and make sure it is not hydro locked? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] well bugger. 07E350...
I did that yesterday, no problems there --FT Sent from iFōn > On Jan 9, 2024, at 11:13 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > > Pull the plugs and make sure it is not hydro locked? > > Randy > > > >> On 08/01/2024 7:32 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: >> Yeah I’m thinking that but the gear spun freely, and in any case shouldn’t >> be engaged to the flywheel. The old one looked fine too and at this point >> I’m thinking the starter isn’t the issue. >> >> I was able to spin the engine backwards a bit but going forward it hit a >> hard stop. Interestingly the timing marks on the crank pulley has 0deg right >> on top. Not sure if that means anything. >> >> --FT >> Sent from iFōn >> On Jan 8, 2024, at 7:27 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> I'd take off the new/used starter and try to turn the engine over before >>> writing it off. >>> Mitch. >>> On 2024-01-08 15:49, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: As it turns out the engine in this car is out of the bad range for M272 350 engines. >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] well bugger. 07E350...
Pull the plugs and make sure it is not hydro locked? Randy On 08/01/2024 7:32 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: Yeah I’m thinking that but the gear spun freely, and in any case shouldn’t be engaged to the flywheel. The old one looked fine too and at this point I’m thinking the starter isn’t the issue. I was able to spin the engine backwards a bit but going forward it hit a hard stop. Interestingly the timing marks on the crank pulley has 0deg right on top. Not sure if that means anything. --FT Sent from iFōn On Jan 8, 2024, at 7:27 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote: I'd take off the new/used starter and try to turn the engine over before writing it off. Mitch. On 2024-01-08 15:49, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: As it turns out the engine in this car is out of the bad range for M272 350 engines. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] well bugger. 07E350...
Yes after moving some electrical and hoses around they come off fairly easily --FT On 1/9/24 9:15 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote: On 2024-01-09 01:18, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: I pulled all the plugs no joy. Next is cam covers. Are the valve covers easier than the starter? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] well bugger. 07E350...
On 2024-01-09 01:18, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: I pulled all the plugs no joy. Next is cam covers. Are the valve covers easier than the starter? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] well bugger. 07E350...
I pulled all the plugs no joy. Next is cam covers. --FT Sent from iFōn > On Jan 9, 2024, at 12:53 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes > wrote: > > On 2024-01-08 20:32, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: > >> I was able to spin the engine backwards a bit but going forward it hit a >> hard stop. Interestingly the timing marks on the crank pulley has 0deg right >> on top. Not sure if that means anything. > > Hydrolock #1? > Dropped valve? > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] well bugger. 07E350...
On 2024-01-08 20:32, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: I was able to spin the engine backwards a bit but going forward it hit a hard stop. Interestingly the timing marks on the crank pulley has 0deg right on top. Not sure if that means anything. Hydrolock #1? Dropped valve? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] well bugger. 07E350...
Yeah I’m thinking that but the gear spun freely, and in any case shouldn’t be engaged to the flywheel. The old one looked fine too and at this point I’m thinking the starter isn’t the issue. I was able to spin the engine backwards a bit but going forward it hit a hard stop. Interestingly the timing marks on the crank pulley has 0deg right on top. Not sure if that means anything. --FT Sent from iFōn > On Jan 8, 2024, at 7:27 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes > wrote: > > I'd take off the new/used starter and try to turn the engine over before > writing it off. > Mitch. > >> On 2024-01-08 15:49, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: >> As it turns out the engine in this car is out of the bad range for M272 350 >> engines. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] well bugger. 07E350...
I'd take off the new/used starter and try to turn the engine over before writing it off. Mitch. On 2024-01-08 15:49, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: As it turns out the engine in this car is out of the bad range for M272 350 engines. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] well bugger. 07E350...
On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 15:49:40 -0500 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: > As it turns out the engine in this car is out of the bad range for M272 > 350 engines. I'm not sure I checked that before and forgot I had, or > never checked it. In any case that suggests that the balance shaft > issue is not the problem here, and it is something else that I will > have to determine. So, that is the next step in all this adventure. > This is a bit of relief. May you be successful in getting it repaired! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] well bugger. 07E350...
As it turns out the engine in this car is out of the bad range for M272 350 engines. I'm not sure I checked that before and forgot I had, or never checked it. In any case that suggests that the balance shaft issue is not the problem here, and it is something else that I will have to determine. So, that is the next step in all this adventure. This is a bit of relief. --FT On 1/7/24 4:40 PM, Floyd Thursby wrote: So this car I got for [$400] if I account for what I had in the $600 (+ maybe $300 for the trans conductor plate fix) 99E320 I traded, and the woman gave me $500. It was spinning but not lighting off. My buddy Todd put on another ECU because the one on the car somehow thought it was for a V8 which was weird, but whatever. We messed with it a bit and it would spin then after a bit not spin, starter seemed like it went bad. He gave me another starter he had laying around and I just finished putting it on the car. (it was not a very pleasant job, had to remove exhaust pipe, O2 sensors, etc. to get at it and it was incredibly tight up in there, but I managed) So I threw a battery in and hit the start and... clunk. And... clunk. Bugger. So I went and found a big socket and put it on the crank and... nothing. No spinnie, no turnie... I guess it is locked up. Bugger. This is kinda weird as it was spinning fine when I picked it up and when we were messing with it until it seemed like the starter had quit. No cam codes or timing issues showing which is what you see when these engines jump timing due to the balance shaft sprocket wearing down. I think there might be some way to get a borescope in there to look at it, I remember seeing something about that. So anyway, it is a nice car other than the engine likely being trashed, which is kind of a surprise since it seemed to be spinning OK. But not a lot of $$$ into it, I will look for another engine and pop it in. -- --FT -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] well bugger. 07E350...
So this car I got for [$400] if I account for what I had in the $600 (+ maybe $300 for the trans conductor plate fix) 99E320 I traded, and the woman gave me $500. It was spinning but not lighting off. My buddy Todd put on another ECU because the one on the car somehow thought it was for a V8 which was weird, but whatever. We messed with it a bit and it would spin then after a bit not spin, starter seemed like it went bad. He gave me another starter he had laying around and I just finished putting it on the car. (it was not a very pleasant job, had to remove exhaust pipe, O2 sensors, etc. to get at it and it was incredibly tight up in there, but I managed) So I threw a battery in and hit the start and... clunk. And... clunk. Bugger. So I went and found a big socket and put it on the crank and... nothing. No spinnie, no turnie... I guess it is locked up. Bugger. This is kinda weird as it was spinning fine when I picked it up and when we were messing with it until it seemed like the starter had quit. No cam codes or timing issues showing which is what you see when these engines jump timing due to the balance shaft sprocket wearing down. I think there might be some way to get a borescope in there to look at it, I remember seeing something about that. So anyway, it is a nice car other than the engine likely being trashed, which is kind of a surprise since it seemed to be spinning OK. But not a lot of $$$ into it, I will look for another engine and pop it in. -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
